How do we include transgender people in women's sports? (Page 2)
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It’s not going to happen.
we simply do not allow it.
personally it’s a pointless argument.
We don't, period end of story. You have a XX chromosome you compete as a woman, if you have a XY you compete as a man.
Okay but did you read about the case I said in my post? Maria José Martínez, she didn't even know she had an XY chromosome, and developed as a woman (aside from the lack of some sexual organs).
I read the article and my point still stands. XY competes against XY and XX competes against XX, period.
Your comment about Phelps is just flat-out ignorant. For you to compare Phelps, who has XY chromosomes, and who is competing against other males that have XY chromosomes with men who think they are women is just ignorant.
The only thing that you are correct about is people are different. Some people are naturally stronger, some are smarter, some are better looking, some are shorter, some are taller and anything else that makes people different. For you to say that since Phelps has longer arms and is allowed to compete against other males with shorter arms is the same as a person with XY chromosomes competing against females with XX chromosomes shows that you are flat out biased in your thinking. If there is no difference then give me ONE example of a person with a XX chromosome competing and winning against men with XY chromosomes, just one example.
The only thing that is fair is for people to compete against each other based on their chromosomes, You have XY then you compete against others with a XY, you have XX you compete against others with a XX, period!
Just look at that person with XY Chromosomes that is competing against women in weight lifting, that person competed as a man until a few years ago but now that person is smashing records by huge margins. Olympic records are broken by tiny margins not huge margins. I guess you are going to try and say that person has not benefitted from a lifetime of testosterone.
Before you go off on a tangent saying that intersex people are as common as people with red hair that study is so biased it is laughable, the actual truth is about 0.017% of people are born intersex and while I have empathy for those people that is just the luck of the draw. They were born with a birth defect and that is something they are going to have to live with.
Now lets really get to the issue, Woman have worked extremely hard to get were they are today, they have suffered and endured many hardships. Today you have men that can not handle life as a man so they want to take what women have fought for because they are pieces of garbage and do not want to put in the effort that so many women have. They want everything for nothing.
Sorry for the late reply, okay since you said XX should compete against XX, what do you think about XX men? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome
Basically they are individuals with phenotypically male characteristics, and some of them would wipe the floor with women, where should they compete?
If they have XX Chromosomes then they compete against other people with XX chromosomes.
now THAT would be unfair to women.
And that is where you are absolutely wrong, if someone is deformed at birth that gives them special advantages then that is life, they did not make that choice. A MAN that can't compete against other males so HE decided to STATE HE is a woman is unfair.
What percentage of transgender women are lesbians? It is odd, don't you think, that 70 plus percent identify as lesbian. Every single MALE competing against females aka stated transgender are all sexually attracted to females. The only transgender females I know that are actually attracted to men, which would make sense since they are saying they are female, are non-athletic, and could actually pass for a woman. ALL the transgender aka MALE athletes are attracted to females. That tells me they are faking and just abusing the system. So again my argument stands.
You show me one transgender athlete that can pass as a female, acts like a female and is attracted to men like 98.5% of females then I might listen until then they are just MEN that can not compete against other men and have decided they want to harm biological females and make them slaves in a man's world. In other words, they are just a bunch of misogynistic males that are trying to take advantage of all the great things that real women have accomplished in the last 60 years.
You don't, any more than you include more disabled athletes in conventual sports. They have the Paralympics and that's their gig.
They belong in the sport of their actual gender. If you have a penis you belong in the male category if you have a vagina you belong in the women's category end of story
I think that should be categorized according to certain limits of strength and body structure which won't give anyone some unfair advantage.
What about the Paralympic Games?
It's not that they don't have options.
Including transgender in women's sports will over time simply stigmatize the sport, it will be a step back for all concerned.
Should be an independent league if there is only one challenger in the catagory then they get the gold, even a slow child could understand it
Include them in transgender coz women otherwise would be less available to us
We don't
You don’t. Transgender should have a separate division where they compete against each other.
how about we just exclude them
Play at gender of birth only
We don't, unless it is a mixed sport.
Just make sports co-Ed if we have to go this route
... we dont cause they are men.
it's rooted in sexism. look at trans MEN.
We don't.
Period!
They should have their own separate events
we should not.