I’m also in city traffic a good deal of the time, so that’s WICKED annoying
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Automatics are no fun to drive
Care to cite current DCT cars that are far more efficient and faster than a corresponding manual?I can think of the current 3rd gen Focus as an example. Let's choose the 2018 model year.Manual advertised mpg: 25/34, 28 average.Auto: 24/34, 28 average.0-60 acceleration is harder to find, with everywhere I've looked citing the automtic model. Given the same rated economy, I'd guess the two would be the same. Let's not forget the complaints about that car's auto trans issues. Have automatics improved? Yes. Have they absolutely surpassed manuals? No, and certainly not in inclement weather. Gearing down is far more effective than using brakes on snow over ice, especially on a hill. There more extreme situations where a manual is a life saver.
@RickPen www.volvotrucks.co.uk/.../i-shift.html here are some of the benefits of DCTs (I'm a big truck fan so don't mind that. It's the same story for cars).I can assure you, DCTs shift FAR faster than any human can. Their continuous torque is unbeatable... Think logically yourself, would a car win if it had to have 0 torque at the wheels for lets say 0.2 seconds, or if you're a professional driver then MAYBE even 0.1 seconds (100 mili-seconds) or a car that shifts faster AND has continuous torque, the torque is ALWAYS above 0?In fact, as a comparison, take a Skoda Octavia 2.0 TDI DSG transmission, around 100-110 hp and if my memory doesn't fail me, around 1500kg. Then compare it to a BMW 525 TDS, 141 hp and 1500kg. Although the BMW clearly has a far better power to wait ratio, the Skoda can actually reach 0-100km/h in roughly the same time... assuming the BMW is an automatic (NOT dual clutch). If the BMW is a manual it would be a second or so faster than the Skoda... but come on, having only about 60% of the horsepower, yet achieving similar numbers, with similar weight, that is impressive. And yes, I am saying this from experience, as well as from what I read online.Automatics being a hassle? Yes. But dual clutch transmissions are much more simple than normal automatics in terms of design. And certainly far more reliable than CVTs.
@RickPen I would argue that automatics have actually surpassed manuals. There are transmissions out there with more gears, therefor allowing for more efficiency and greater acceleration. The computer also knows far better than the driver when to shift, and it can shift faster (assuming your car isn't made purely for luxury). But in terms of old cars, yes, manuals were far better.In terms of sliding, first off, you can put some automatic transmissions in manual mode (some just let you limit the gear instead of selecting). Second, that's what ABS is for. Third, no one said you have to drive like a maniac into a corner, you just have to be smarter to avoid such clumsy accidents. Fourth, get better tires.On manuals being life-savers, I agree. As I mentioned before, they can help stop a runaway diesel, it's easy to start a manual from a hill if your battery is flat and of course if your car has an issue where it stalls sometimes and you need to rev it, a manual comes in very handy as you can just press the clutch in and rev, without the need to either (a) go to neutral just to rev, and potentially disrupt the process of doing something like inching forward and stopping uphill (b) go forward just to keep the engine from stalling and not wanting to get out of gear.For more information on cars, check out EngineeringExplained YouTube channel.
There are times when better tires still don't equate. Imagine being unable to stop at 15 MPH with studded snow tires due to 10" of snow on the road, plus ice layer underneath, going down, say, a 10% grade on a rural road in a small FWD car. Using brakes results in lock up (despite anti-lock brakes), and gearing down results in complete slippage. That's not recklessness, that's simply trying to drive to work in bad conditions.How does that work out for you in your automatic?
@RickPen do you live in Antarctica that you can't stop with snow tires? I mean like, sure, maybe it's not reckless driving, but you can still adapt. I'm not saying automatics are superior in winter, I'm just saying that just because you have an automatic doesn't mean you can't drive in winter. And again, as I said, most automatics have either a manual gear selector or gear limiter, so you can still have a bit of that engine braking effect (unless you have a modern car which puts the transmission into neutral when you just let go of the throttle).
I spent some time in a mountainous rural state. The roads there aren't plowed, and half are unpaved, so the "washboard effect makes everything worse in winter.I also didn't say it's impossible with automatics, unless in that situation, which happened to me. The answer was to throw it in reverse and throw snow out in front to come to a stop, before a hairpin turn with a 200 - 300 ft. drop on one side, and no guardrail (rural roads often lack them). The other side was a 4 ft. deep ditch. Road width was approximately 9 feet. Trying to suddenly throw the auto in reverse likely would have damaged or killed it like a neutral drop. Manual just took it in stride.Yes, DCTs shift faster. Any hydraulic automatic also has a continuous application of torque due to torque concerter, and that's been the case for 80+ years. DCT is usually a dry clutch design. I'm still waiting to see long term costs of the clutches wearing out from heavy traffic, and how many are programmed to act like an archaic "slush box." For acceleration only, or lazy driving, an auto is easier. For staying engaged, and awake on the road, manual is preferable. I daily drive a manual mustang gt now, even in winter. Never have wiped out, though I see others losing control. Finicky cars.In most other countries, manual shift is the norm. Not so in the USA. our cars are also larger and half larger engines typically.I've spent too much time working on those automatics Focus cars. They do not choose the proper gear unless mid throttle, steady acceleration is desired. I've seen this in other. brands, but the Fords excel at it.I'm also waiting to hear how direct injection engines were pushed to market early, the emissions controls are terrible, plus the intake valve coking is universal.I know this starred off as manual or auto, but modern cars leave a bad taste in my mouth.
@RickPen Yeah. And I do agree, a manual keeps you engaged. My point is just that both have their uses. Especially when it comes to becoming a truck driver. Imagine getting into a truck and having to get used to 12 gears (3 gears, hi and lo and halves), it would be overwhelming, while an automatic would help ease into it.I can totally agree with you there. When it comes to buying a car, I tend to go for something more simplistic.
I would love to get into truck driving. Sitting for long periods, though, no thanks. The high and low range just sounds like more fun, plus many still lack synchronizers, so proper shifting method is key. Go with a dead clutch cable or slave cylinder for a couple weeks, and it definitely teaches rev matching.I just wish more people cared for manual, so I didn't have to hunt for one. Traffic would possibly change, too.
@RickPen yeah haha. Trucks are pretty sweet, and fun.Yeah. I just try look at things from both perspectives, that is why I found benefits for both types of transmissions. But generally, yes, more and more automatics are coming out and eventually manuals are going to be extinct which is sad.
incidentally mercedes were the only team to ever use an automatic rally car and it went like stink
Also, if you sit in traffic a lot, a stick is a pain to deal with.In the snow, I like a stick over an automatic.But, it is funny when a car jacker can't drive a stick!
Not automatic direct drive without gearing.
U mean automatic? Manual is the type with the gear shift
omg I missed up everything I meant to say the automatic sorry for that.,
@HurlyburlyI doubt you never sat in an automatic car before.
@MysteriousDarkness why so? Everyone I know drives manual.