Inside The Mind Of A Black American

[CHARismatic110]

I watched the murders of 2 men in less than 48 hours by the hands of those that are sworn to serve and protect us. I sat in a state of shock, then anger, disgust, confusion, and finally sadness. I cried tear after tear. Not just for the lives of these two men and the effect that it will have on their families. Not just for the injustice that continues to happen over and over again. I cried also because for the life of me I cannot understand why there is so much hatred in this world surrounding the color of one's skin when we literally had no say in it.

After crying, the sadness turned back into anger. Anger and fear. Fear for my father. For my uncles. Cousins. Nephews. Godsons. Friends. For the black men all over this country. And the women too (Sandra Bland). I'm angry that I'm scared. That I have this fear. That it stretches all the way to my unborn children. No one should have to live this way. And yet, I am just one of many that feels like this.

For those of you that like to throw black on black crime around, WE ARE AWARE. We have eyes that can see, and we are aware that black on black crime is an issue. But black on black crime does not give the green light for police to abuse their powers. These officers aren't shooting warning shots. They are shooting to kill. Six bullets to the chest of a man that was pinned down on the ground. Four bullets to the chest of a man that was strapped into a seatbelt. With a child in the backseat.

Stop resisting and struggling and just comply

and you won't get shot.

Just one of the many comments I see constantly. My question is: what happens when you comply and you die anyway? Because that's what happened to the man that was still strapped in a seatbelt when he was killed. He was reaching for his license and registration LIKE HE WAS ASKED. He didn't resist. He didn't struggle. And yet, he's still dead.

We are living in very dark times. There's so much evil, negativity, and division in the world. Racism is still very much alive and if you can't see that then I'm going to need for you to open up your eyes. Take the blinders off. Realize that there is a problem. Acknowledging that black people are in fact being mistreated does not make you a bad person. It doesn't mean that you have internalized hatred for yourself. It means that you are aware of what's happening around you. Staying quiet during these times speaks volumes.

#Blacklivesmatter and if you can't understand that without feeling the need to shout the all lives matter, you are apart of the problem. If you can't acknowledge that without bringing up black on black crime, then you are apart of the problem. It is IMPOSSIBLE for all lives to matter when we are being shown just how much black ones don't. Wake up and realize that something doesn't smell right.

Freedom, freedom, I can't move. Freedom cut me loose! Freedom, freedom where are you? Cuz I need freedom too! - Beyoncé

#CHARismaticOut

[RedThread]

I know I can't empathize with what it's like to be black in America but can I look at this as a human being. I can see the crushing sadness and disbelief in people's eyes. The eyes of mothers losing sons and people losing their partners and fathers. It's gut wrenching.

I've read a lot of the comments of these videos and I've seen the excuses too. Beneath the bullshit the common denominator is that black men and women are the 'other' treated with suspicion and fear. They MUST be doing something wrong to deserve this treatment. If only these videos started 10 seconds earlier then we'd see how guilty they really are. That's how I consistently see it rationalized with irrationality. It's almost like racism is a religion to some people and these people don't like to have their faith questioned. Also I think that being white it is much easier to accept convenient 'truths' over harsh realities especially because it doesn't effect us directly. That's a type of privilege in itself.

We still have a long way to go as human beings. This goes to show how much we all have to pull together. We have to protect and look out for each other. As human beings we need to treat each other like brothers and sisters before we let hatred tear us apart regardless of the color of our skin. We need to stand up with a united voice and say enough is enough. Unfortunately, I'm an idealist and and frequently see the best of what humanity could be instead of where we are.

#BlackLivesMatter

[CHARismatic110]

Well said as usual. The fact that you take time to even try to understand it from the other side means a lot.

[RedThread]

No problem. It's the decent thing to do. I just hope it doesn't take too many more tragedies for more people to wake up.

[RainbowFanGirl]

You are a great person. :)

[RedThread]

@RainbowFanGirl thank you very much. The way I see it is that these opinions should be more mainstream. It's part of being human.

[redeyemindtricks]

You win the internet today, everyone else can go home now.

Srsly, this comment made me tear up. In the good way. You been raised right, boy.
<3

[RedThread]

@redeyemindtricks thank you very much :)

[CHARismatic110]

@redeyemindtricks he's a gem isn't he?

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

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[RedThread]

@Other_Tommy_Wiseau thanks dude

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

Easily 1 of the top 3 most eloquent and intelligent opinions I've read on this site. Tell it to "fearless banana". I don't expect you to read the entire thread (or any of it... But if you want to), but this was literally the exact thing you were talking about. I don't really get mad on this site, but I couldn't let that 1 go

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2045405-to-people-who-believe-that-the-police-are-so-evil-would-there-ever

[WhiteSteve]

Can't say it much better than that. Nailed it👌

[RedThread]

@WhiteSteve thanks bro

[RainbowFanGirl]

Thank you for writing this. I was going to write one of this as well, but I was afraid of all the people who would call me racist for saying that #BlackLivesMatter.

Black lives DO matter. It's not saying that we hate white people, or don't awknowledge the fact that other races die too. What we are saying when we say that black lives matter is that black people are dying left and right for no reason!

Think of it like the rainforest. Just because we focus on the rainforest does NOT mean that other forests don't matter. Because they DO. It's just the rainforest is under the biggest threat at the moment.

Black lives matter does NOT mean hate white people.

Black lives matter does NOT mean we don't care about other racists.

Black lives matter means black lives matter. We don't need to say all lives matter to know that all lives matter because they obviously do.

P. S. I wish that some of the protesters weren't so violent however. There are other ways to fight against this brutality...

[CHARismatic110]

The violent protests don't represent everyone. And though I don't condone it, I can understand it. People are angry. Enough is enough.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Yes. I support BLM but I'm not one of the violent ones. They don't represent everyone. I'm tired of hearing of black people dying every other week. I need to write about this. I'm so tired.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Dying left and right for no reason? You realize the vast majority are killed by other Black people right, in gang disputes, etc. Look at Chicago as an example this past weekend many were shot.

Anyones I hate the concept of Black lives matter. Because you are saying you only care when a Black persons killed by a cop but when a White or someone else is killed by a cop wheres the Blacks protesting against it?

You want us to care every time this happens but you dont care if a Black cop shoots a White guy

[funny_strange_man]

@HonestWhiteGuy If white people were to go around with white lives matter like blacks or white pride like other races we would be considered racist.

[ShaeNielson]

More white than black people are being killed by cops in the US, you know. You could argue that of course they are because whites make up the majority of the population, but fact is that crime rates among black are way higher than whites, so it's obvious that there are gonna be more violent police confrontations with them.

The US doesn't just have a race problem, it's a police brutality problem.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@HonestWhiteGuy So does that justify for cops to kill people because black people get killed more?

[RainbowFanGirl]

@funny_strange_man actually, I wouldn't care. I don't hate white people of that's what you thought.

[RainbowFanGirl]

@ShaeNielson I know. 🙃 I even said that on another post

[HonestWhiteGuy]

No it doesn't justify it, it just blows your argument out of the water when twice as many Whites are killed by cops yet you never hear about it. If its only racial like you think then whys that happening?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy and more white people are on welfare. But we're speaking about proportion to population. It's much higher for black people and even higher for Native Americans.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@BuchitaBuchys Nah its not really "much higher" and also the Black crime rate is higher to begin with. It simply isn't the problem that you make it out to be. Actually I want you to read me off the actual numbers then compare it to Black on Black crime in one city alone, Chicago, then tell me which is a bigger problem. And you are looking at the total shot without counting the people that pulled a gun on a cop, were murders/rapists, etc, which further lowers the number.

[RainbowFanGirl]

What a flamewar on my post 😬

[WhiteSteve]

Didn't really have the energy last night, don't really have it today, but I gotta say SOMETHING on this...

I don't know, it's just disappointing to me that there are so many people who want to go against BLM. Like why is your immediate response an attempt to dispel the idea of police misconduct and place blame at the feet of the victims? Why are we all so conditioned to just assume that police are decent people with no character flaws who have our best interests in mind? Why is there so much blind respect for authority in this country?

I have a fairly unique perspective: I'm white (REALLY white) and I grew up in a neighborhood of Boston where most of my neighbors were black. I was "the white kid." I'd never equate that to being black in the grand scheme of America, but in some sense, I can relate to the feeling of being a minority, albeit in the context of a few square miles. The source of the disdain was different, but I know the feeling of being automatically disliked, automatically singled out, automatically looked at with a crooked eye. Most people were cool to me but there were definitely folks who just didn't want anything to do with me, and I presume it was because of the color of my skin. Plain and simple, it sucks. And in my case, I could just go home and be a little frustrated about it. I don't worry about my job applications being taken seriously. "Steve" always gets a look. "Jamal's" app might go straight in the trash based on name alone. I drive by cops every day, and usually I don't get a second look. A lot of my friends in high school and college were black, and as I'm thinking of it, I got pulled over with them in my car a lot more frequently than without. Anyone white who doesn't see that stuff is blind, or needs to move somewhere that isn't 99% white.

So, cops--personally, I don't believe in laws and citizens being forced into behavior by a governmental gang. I don't really fuck with politics but I'd probably fall under libertarian or anarchist. Basically "fuck you, I do what I want... but what I want won't really hurt anyone." But that's another can of worms we'll leave closed. I'll play the game for the sake of argument and act as if I think cops have a right to tell people what to do. Under no circumstance do I think a cop should be opening fire on anyone until a shot is fired at them. Does that put them at a disadvantage? I guess... but just don't be a cop then. We can't have a bunch of...

[WhiteSteve]

... Billy Badasses from the bottom 15% of your high school graduating class armed and making snap decisions about the life or death of people. You just can't. I'd prefer anarchy to that, at least they won't be protected by the government when they murder people. And what's fucked up is from an early age we're taught to blindly respect and trust these people. I don't want to make this all into a "me" thing, but I was literally snatched up by a cop at 8 years old for fighting at my bus stop and driven around for what seemed like hours, telling me I was going to jail and would never see my parents again. I'm sure in his mind he was teaching me a life lesson, but guess what? It taught me nothing, and I'm affected to this day by that, now I have no trust or respect for them pretty much en masse. You can say it's one guy, but I see time and again how many questionable people become cops. There was a huge brawl at my high school my junior year between...

[WhiteSteve]

... a bunch of the skaters and the Irish kids from South Boston. Yadda yadda, 40+ people fighting (all white kids), the state police paddy wagon showed up and started hauling people away. I was outside watching it all go down. Three seniors came out of the nearest building, unaware of the brawl. One was my football team's QB, preppy white suburban kid. He was with another two kids, one black, one Cape Verdean. A cop runs up to them demanding ID. The white kid goes "officer, we all just got here, we don't know what's going on..." I'll never forget it, the cop says to him "You get outta here!", then turns to the other two and says "YOU TWO! LET'S SEE SOME ID!" Like something out of a movie, but real life. So I don't want to hear rhetoric about all the decent cops. Of course there are some. But there are enough who have it fucked up where I feel completely comfortable calling them douchebags. Honestly, you have to be a douche to think that YOU should have a job telling people how to live.

[WhiteSteve]

Anyway, I've digressed, but to the specific shootings... if you can watch that and not just be sickened and saddened and angered, and your mind even fixes it's mouth to say "well, if they hadn't broken the law...", seriously just put on a blindfold and headphones and walk straight on some train tracks til it all goes black. Same goes for the sniper (s) in Dallas. I hate cops, but I don't condone sniping them at random. And not for nothing, in all these situations, it boiled down, once again, to guns. Everybody had guns. Legal, illegal, I don't care, the common denominator is GUNS. I'm not calling for bans or law reform, I already said I don't fuck with government like that, I make my own rules for my life. But I can't help but notice that everyone would be alive, in a vacuum with all fault removed, if there weren't citizens and cops alike rolling around with machines manufactured with the sole purpose of making it easier to murder people. Absolutely Bananaland.

[WhiteSteve]

I gotta wrap up here, but basically, I wish white people could just find a way to shut the fuck up for just a day and let people be rightly outraged, race and all that aside, just at police misconduct in general, and then stop fucking inserting themselves into the debate and saying dumb shit about things they have no concept of. I can't for the life of me understand the insistence of white people framing the discussion of minority issues. Look, as a white guy, I DO feel under attack to some degree, like I need to walk on eggshells or something I say gets construed as racist/ignorant when anyone else could say the same without reproach. Believe me that I hate being considered part of some problem group. I hate that any thoughts I may have on some subjects are immediately shot down like I have no right to an opinion, and constantly hearing how I "just don't understand", or people rolling their eyes at problems that affect me as a straight white male. But at the end of the day...

[WhiteSteve]

... I CAN'T understand, and I CAN'T "get it" without experiencing it. But I've been an eyewitness to a lot of foul shit that's happened to black folks I lived around, and I know shit my friends have gone to, from police misconduct to ignorant comments or assumptions or behavior from other citizens, and there's no way around it, it's WRONG, and that's all there is to it. There's no reason to try to come up with counterarguments. Does the black community have internal issues? Probably. Is it anyone but the black community's place to address those issues? NO. And bottom line, it doesn't fucking matter. I watched two innocent men die on camera, and I don't give a fuck what their story is, their prior criminal records, whatever... none of it condones being executed by a legalized gang. I'm going to trail off here because I'm just too pissed to keep going, but if you can't figure out why it's wrong to respond to this with pointed stats, you have life all fucked up, period.

[CHARismatic110]

Bruh, I'm in Fridays about to shed a tear. This was perfect. Thank you for this.

[WhiteSteve]

No need for thanks, I call 'em how I see 'em. Just hope no tears got on the loaded potato skins😜 Annnnndddd now I'm hungry.

[Mishan97]

100% agree with you! If only everybody was this understanding

[G-Daz]

I don't support the black lives matter mostly because the movement doesn't care about black Lives. It's an activist racial movement almost akin to the kkk. It promotes segregation and the increase of "safe spaces" it leverages its ignorant supporters to increase funding.

It ignores problems in the US black "community" (i quote to emphasise that the movement seeks division to move forward). Of course black people are owed something in the USA but the black lives matter movement is part of the problem.

To achieve its goal of more money and attention. Black lives matter focuses it's energy on cases of black people murdered by the police. :

The work of criminalogists dr Richard Johnson (a black criminalogist i should add before dismissing) investigated this movement to explain how futile it is.
(Some of this stuff is hard to listen to but these are facts and to fix a problem, you need to understand it which black lives matter can't neither wants to do)

Based on a study in 2012.

- It would take 40 years of blacks killed by police to equal the total number of blacks killed by other blanks in a single year.

- less than 40 people a year are killed by cops. 61% of them are. .. white men. 32% are black males

- black men are not killed out of proportion when you consider that they're much more likely to interact with police.

- black males are 58% of citizens killed legally by private citizens in self defence. 76% by other blacks

- black men make up 6.5% of the USA population but commit 52% of all murders.

- black people overwhelmingly murder black people but white people overwhelmingly murder other white people so this really isn't a racial issue.

- looking at overall crime by the fbi statistics database of 2010 to 2015. Blacks are 27% more likely to attack whites than vice versa and 8% more likely to attack Hispanics.

- fuurther recent data by fbi homicide report found that 90% of murders of black people die at the hands of other black people.

- 74% of black children are raised without father's according to the us statistical reports.

I mention these reports not to drive racism but so that they can be fixed. It's of course an issue but one that the government seems eager to systematically destruct black people through segregating racial movements like this which only increase the problems and avoid any overhauled objective fixes to resolving it. Black lives matter is part of the issue

[Proof_Striker55]

İf I would be president in America , I would send you 5 years in prison for hate , discrimination , racism and stupidity.

[Kirah]

@Proof_Striker55 nice words, too bad they don't mean anything. Provide some arguments.

Black Lives Matter is a racist and hateful movement. They hijacked the Orlando shooting to talk about their own issues ("the REAL victims here were the blacks, not the gays!").

I'll say it again: Black Lives Matter is a cancerous, racist, and hateful movement. Black Lives Matter does not actually care about black people, they only care about themselves.

[Kirah]

@Proof_Striker55 just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean I'm racist. Stop pulling the race card.

[G-Daz]

Proof? Racist how and discriminative how. I quoted statistics specifically used to understand the black lives matter movement. If facts irritate you. Don't listen

[StreetLevel]

Akin to the kkk? Lol. Don't start crying when someone goes out and actually lynches a white person because of the rhetoric you and other whites spew

[G-Daz]

@StreetLevel someone would be so dumb as to get irritated by facts abs statistics that it'd make people Lynch. If you can't recognise that as dumb than i can't help you. Facts shouldn't irritate people, they should be a means for course correction

[StreetLevel]

BLM being akin to the KKK is nowhere near a fact dumbass. And stop parroting YouTube comments.

[Relentless_Hippie]

Of course there is an issue present that absolutely needs to be addressed, but what doesn't need to be done is to turn this into a racial issue toward people who have nothing to do with this. In these times our focus should be about reforming the police force not bringing up slavery, oppression, white privilege or any of those things.

If a black person is killed by a cop that happened to be white and racist then that is only relevant to that situation and that situation only. Maybe white people would feel more inclined to help if they weren't being attacked and blamed every minute. It's not right for blacks to be stereotyped and blamed for the actions of others so why would that be okay with white people?

This isn't a you vs them situation it's an us situation that everyone should be concerned with. Segregating yourselves only dehumanizes you and makes it seem as though white people in general should be blamed when they absolutely should not. Why do you think people bring up crime rates committed by black Americans? Because black Americans keep using white people as the scapegoat instead of addressing the problem at hand.

The responsibility is on the policemen committing murder, not on the people they share the same skin tone as. Stop bringing up that and you'd have more supporters.

We should be focused on changing things. It should be way harder to become a police officer than it is now, their should be frequent mental health evaluations to ensure no prejudice is present but also to ensure the sanity of the officers. Officers should undergo much more extensive training, that teaches how to disarm people, teach them the first thing they shouldn't be reaching for is a gun, teach them how to remain level headed and calm, teach them how to talk people out of situations instead of hyping them up.

We've got trigger happy officers which shines light on an obvious issue, they're under trained. These people are terrified when they're out there and for what? Nothing. Make these changes and we'll see the results we're all looking for. Because the fact is this shouldn't be happening period, no matter what someone looks like.

[CHARismatic110]

It is absolutely a situation where everyone should be concerned. But a lot of people are not. I agree with what you've said about the cops needing better training. Thank you for giving your point without labeling me a racist.

[Relentless_Hippie]

No problem, and I'm sorry for the people who are. I just think this is something where everyone is trying to defend their own groups which is fine, but it's preventing us from all being united.

[CHARismatic110]

That's true. And division is not what I want. United we stand, divided we fall. And we are falling. Fast and hard.

[StreetLevel]

You can't the problem is on the the cop and not the people he shares skin color with bit then generalize black people. Google the words hypocrite, double standard, contradiction and idiot. Then slap yourself when you realize.

[Relentless_Hippie]

@StreetLevel Mkay thanks! :)

[Relentless_Hippie]

@StreetLevel I don't see how I've done any of those things. I think you need to follow your own advice.

[StreetLevel]

"Because black Americans keep using white people as the scapegoat instead of addressing the problem at hand. " Yeah, that's certainly not a generalization...

[Relentless_Hippie]

@StreetLevel Because when you bring up slavery and oppression to an issue that has nothing to do with that, how is it not using a scapegoat? Nonetheless I have nothing more to say to you.

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[StreetLevel]

In other words, you have no valid rebuttal.

[Relentless_Hippie]

@StreetLevel No, I just don't care to argue. If you'd like to know where I stand read and reread what was already written because that's all I'll have to say to you.

[RationalMale]

For starters,

"Because that's what happened to the man that was still strapped in a seatbelt when he was killed. He was reaching for his license and registration LIKE HE WAS ASKED. He didn't resist. He didn't struggle. And yet, he's still dead."

According to his girlfriend... who was more concerned with quite calmly facebook streaming his death instead of trying to help.

Castile also had a handgun in his lap, which is a great way to freak out a cop doing a traffic stop. The hispanic cop then told him to freeze and Castile did not.

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A mess up? A needless death? Sure. And definitely NOT an "executed for driving while black " like Black Lies Matter wants to claim. This sort of bullshit is why most people don't take black "victims" seriously when they claim police are out to murder them.

And Alton Sterling... let's be real. The Black Community should have been thanking the cops that killed him. Registered sex offender convicted of simple battery, aggravated battery, burglary, possessing a firearm with a controlled substance, among other crimes. And it came out he actually was armed when he was killed by police... another felony. Yet I guess by black standards he was a good old boy?

You want the flat out truth? Yes, a disproportionately high amount of blacks get killed by police. A lot more than their 13% of the population...

And while blacks are 13% of the population, they commit as many homicides as the 63% white population. By sheer homicide numbers, you could rightly expect blacks to be killed at 5x the rate of whites. Tough shit. And then you have blacks acting amazed that when their population commits violent crime at such a higher rate than whites... police act like blacks are so much more likely to be criminals!

I guess common sense really is a superpower these days if that shocks you!

[CHARismatic110]

Expected nothing less from your racist ass. Gtfoh.

[RationalMale]

And like any good BlM supporter, you have nothing to say. It's just "my brotha was murdered by da police!" It doesn't matter if one was a violent criminal with an illegal handgun. There's no waiting to find out anything, your mind is made up 10 seconds before hearing about it. "Da Raciss police are out killin black folk!"

[CHARismatic110]

And waste my breath arguing with someone who I'm pretty sure is a KKK member? Nah, I'm good. But you can take this pass to the block party. Enjoy.

[Rock_Steakface]

#NoLivesMatter C'thuhlu for President 2016!

In all seriousness: Black Lives Matter is the worst thing to happen to black people in America since slavery. Yes, including those awful exploitation movies in the 70s. Why? Because it does nothing to address the actual problems within the black community. There are places in America where the police will not go thanks to BLM (Chicago and Baltimore come to mind). You'll never guess what happened after that. The crime rate increased! Shocking, right?

You say you're aware black on black crime is a problem... well, what are you doing about it? What are you doing to police your own neighborhoods? What are you doing when little black children are being killed by gang members by accident or intentionally? Why is it that when you choose a cause to rally behind, it's not an innocent life but a thug, a drug dealer or some other kind of degenerate? Why do you have nothing to say about abortions outnumbering births in the black community?

Don't even get me started on being majorly contributed to globalist George 'Let's Fuck the World Up for Everybody' Soros. Or the fact that one of your leaders is a known copkiller. Or the fact that there are huge swathes of black people on camera shouting and chanting that they want more dead police officers.

Black Lives Matter is cancer, just like feminism and all these other leftist Oppression Olympics. They only serve to divide the American people. Even the black community which has proven it can organize, is constantly killing each other every single day and won't lift a finger to save itself.

You are pathetic, OP. You can't think for yourself and I, a black man, have no time for your so-called cause. I don't shed a single tear any time I hear about police shooting somebody because of the climate people like you have created. Facts are left out all the time, the media constantly lies and people like you, OP, have an agenda you want to--pathologically NEED to--push. So take your movement and cram it.

[CHARismatic110]

Lmaoooooo I'm sure you're a black man. 😂😂😂 Gtfoh with that bullshit.

[meowcow]

I don't have much sympathy for the BLM movement. While I am not a white person, I am a minority.

Most of the black men who are killed by police, and then paraded as "victims" by BLM are in fact very terrible human beings. Alton Sterling had a criminal past including child sexual exploitation, burglary of a home, robbery, assault, failure to register as a child sex offender, drug possession, illegal and stolen firearm possession.

In truth, the world is much better off without Alton Sterling and the many other black men with lengthy criminal records who are killed by police. Alton was truly a human piece of shit and I have no sympathy for a child rapist, thief and violent criminal. He is undeserving of martyrdom, and those supporting him are supporting a violent pedophile.

The issue with police and blacks is complex. In almost all cities in America, blacks are disproportionately responsible for most of the violent crimes and murders. People feel safe walking though Chinatown with all the Asians. But few would feel safe walking in a black neighborhood alone. Black music and hip hop culture is mostly about raping women, drugs, murder and fucking over the police. So you gotta ask, if you were a non-black policeman in a predominantly black, crime-ridden neighborhood, would you feel safe? Doubtful.

It is people like Trayvon Martin and Alton Sterling who make the community unsafe. Unsafe for police. Unsafe for other blacks. Unsafe for the general public. They have created a community where people are on edge because murders occur daily and robberies happen in daylight. It is a well known fact that blacks kill hundreds of blacks every year in American cities. Strangely, black people do not seem to care about blacks murdering blacks. In 2015, Chicago had almost 600 murders, mostly black killing black. Nine killings were police shooting a black man. So I ask you where you think the problem lies?

Does the problem lie with the 600 black people killing another 600 black people? Or the 9 lethal shootings of black people - most of whom which are criminals in the first place?

[CHARismatic110]

Notice how you knew none of those things about Alton until after he was shot to death. And Trayvon was a child. He did nothing wrong. By your logic, all criminals should be killed. But they won't be. Dylann Roof shot up a church and killed 9 people. He's not dead. A man walked into a movie theater and opened fired, killing countless people. He's not dead. But yes, Altons criminal background justifies his being shot to death. Got it.

[Mishan97]

How is the world better off without trayvon Martin? He was a child when he was killed and was not a criminal! That's the most insensitive comment ever. Imagine being the parent of a child who was shot and killed for nothing. As for Alton sterling, yes he was a criminal but when the police shot him dead they had no knowledge of his criminal history so obviously his murder wasn't motivated by a desire to exact justice for his crimes. Also, it's not the police's job to carry out the punishment. Their job is to protect and serve, and make arrests of necessary. It's not up to them to decide whether someone should die for the crimes they have commited- that is a power reserved for the justice system. The only situation where a police should ever fatally shoot someone is if their life is being threatened. If you saw the video, the police were not in a life threatening situation when arresting Alton sterling.

[meowcow]

@Mishan97

The media often does not report things that are politically incorrect for fear that stupid people in the public think it is racist. So many of the facts are obscured from the public. Having a criminal record only means the person was caught. Trayvon, in the moments leading up to his death, was high as shit on marijuana and OTC drugs. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but marijuana was illegal at the time of his death. Trayvon was not caught in the middle of a crime - hence no criminal record. But here's is non-criminal rap sheet:

1. Suspended from school for marijuana multiple times.
2. Caught with burglary tools.
3. Caught with stolen jewelry and stolen goods 15 separate times.

Not an angel. Not a good human being. Not deserving of martyrdom.

[meowcow]

While yes, the police do not know specifically that Alton had a long criminal record, it's naive to expect a police officer to treat every encounter the same for each person. There was an experiment in my city, where reporters were invited by police, and placed in fake police scenarios. ALL 15 of the reporters shot and killed a road rage suspect because he started to yell and scream. In a few other scenarios, all 15 reporters prematurely shot a suspect before any threat was presented. And my city as a very low crime rate.

In predominantly black communities, where most people (more than half) of the black adults have a criminal record at some point in their life, police expect violence from suspects. You know why? Because blacks have created their community to be an unsafe one. Blacks allow the killing of other blacks on a daily basis in many American cities and THEY DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. No protest. Nothing.

[meowcow]

So here you have a crime-ridden city, where blacks kill each other daily, and then... when the police ask the victim's families "do you know who did it?", the family members of the deceased say "Fuck off officer, I ain't no snitch".

The question is, whether police are killing blacks because the police are racist?
Or whether police are shooting blacks, because black members of the community have allowed their city to become safe havens of criminal activity to the point that it is almost a guarantee that encounters with blacks become violent.

In safe cities, police don't even have weapons. Go to Tokyo. Police have... whistles.
In my city, police have pistols, tasers and a baton.
In American cities, they carry pistols, shotguns and assault rifles.
The firepower they carry, and the decision making to use them, is in direct response to the level of crime in the area.

An interesting read here. Worth your time to read.. from a black officer.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=689_1468257118

[Phoenix98]

It may sound bad if black folks want to stop dying then they need to stop committing crimes or overreacting in situations. As @QuestionMan
In almost every case so far the police officers have been provoked. Did they overreact? Yes there are definitely better ways to handle situations than shooting someone however this isn't always possible.

And you won't like the following information but it's the cold harsh reality of it.

On top of that even though blacks only make up 13% of the total population of the united states they commit 50% or more of all the homicides in the united states. And 38% of the people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault are black.

Also you really need to stop supporting blacks lives matter, they don't care about equality, that group is a supremacy group that advocates for the death of white men, women and children. And for the murder and lynching of cops, but not Black, Spanish or Asian cops, just white ones. Even blacks and furthering themselves away from the group and stop supporting it because of how radical and dangerous it is.

And then lets take into account that blacks are actually more racist towards whites now a days then whites are to blacks, and going as far as a black couple brutally beating a white woman while yelling wrong hood bitch. Or when Bryce Williams shot Allison Parker live on air all so he could what he called a race war. Or when black activists called for lynching cops and hanging white people, and not more then a day or two later a innocent deputy was gunned down in cold blood by a black man. Or how black lives matter members regularly support killing white people.

And did you know that even though blacks commit more crimes then whites, whites are actually twice as likely to die or get shot by cops there was even a study done by the centers for disease control that backed this up. Twice as many whites were killed then blacks between 1999 and 2011. And going by that you may say that blacks are over-represented because they are only 13% of the population but in fact they are underrepresented if you factor in violent crime offenders.

[QuestionMan]

So sad what happened in Dallas. I have no doubt in my mind it was BLM

[Phoenix98]

But it's not a problem isolated to blacks but to many other outside factors,

Cop brutality in some cases, dirty cops,

Black violence and black committed crimes

But also blacks not having the right opportunities to elevate themselves above petty crime,

Poverty plays a roll in this to.

But so does the black on black crime,

And good blacks at a young age being in a way seduced away from education and school by offenders and criminals and once that happens at a young age they are hooked.

And in the really bad areas lack of good role models, broken homes, drugs and other things play a big role in it as well.

And groups like Black Lives Matter which was based upon the ideas of a convicted cop killer on the FBI's most wanted list by the way, that cause trouble and stir up race issues and fights do not help the issue. Or the fact that black lives matter members have a tendency to completely high jack social events and force people to listen to their nonsense.

[Phoenix98]

@QuestionMan Wouldn't surprised me at all, did you know the inspiration of the group was Assata Shakur a convicted cop killer on the FBI's most wanted terrorist list?

[QuestionMan]

Well they endorse the Black Panthers who were cop killers and even at a gay pride parade demanded that cops not participate. Like wtf, firstly BLM has nothing to do with gays they just hijacked the parade and secondly gay cops are you guessed it gay so they should have a part in the parade.

[Phoenix98]

@QuestionMan Yeah it's ridiculous or the fact that Black Lives Matter regularly hijacks social public gatherings with speakers and then proceed to shove their message down peoples throats they did it at a pro-trump event they did it a Bernie sanders even and so many others.

[QuestionMan]

They did it at a Trump event?
Can I get a video of that?

[CHARismatic110]

No point in debating with someone that goes out of their way always blame black people in these situations. Fuck the video evidence huh? That means nothing right? Don't bother responding. It'll just be more excuses. You can give statistic after statistic. None of it excuses what happened to these 2 men.

And no, I don't condone what happened in Dallas.

[Phoenix98]

And no point debating with someone so blind, who refuses to see the reality of things even when major institutions and law enforcement agency's in the country, are the source of the point I just made. And that even other black people I've showed this to agree with me and the actual evidence.

I'm not blaming black people I am merely saying the facts and actual events, studies and facts that have been around for a while and continue to this day to be proved right again and again. If you don't like those results I can't help that, I can't help what your people do.

And fuck the video evidence huh? that's hilarious seeing how I provided that last time but you just ignored it. And actually it does mean something to me and I am not denying those 2 men were killed that way, but video evidence it means nothing to you. And sure nothing excuses what happened to those 2 men but what about all the innocent people being killed by black criminals everyday? or are those just irrelevant to you?

[Laura_Marx]

The fact that black people are imprisoned for crimes more =/= they commit crimes more. The prisons are there to destroy black communities, the police are there to secure black immiseration, it shouldn't come as a surprise they are arrested more often.

Why do you think there is such a "crime problem" in the black community - what is it about black peope that makes them more prone to commit crime? Magic?

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx *sigh* No blacks are imprisoned more because they commit more crimes and blacks are given more harsher prison sentences often because of pre-existing rap sheets. And no again prison are not there to destroy black communities which is a load of nonsense if I ever heard of one. Prisons are there to detain criminals either people who broke the law or people who are a danger to others around them and killed people. Prisons were here long before blacks were ever a major part of the community and long before they made up a majority of the crimes committed. And prisons host a wide variety of individuals from all races, whites, blacks, Latino, Asian etc and the people who are there more often then that truly deserve to be there. I know because I have a friend who was a prison guard, the people in there are scum, and deserve to be there, they even put a bounty out on my friends head to kill him.

( don't reply yet still talking, ran out of room )

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx Lol no the cops are not here to subjugate blacks that is again a load of crap, the cops have been around since we were a nation. Again long before blacks ever committed a large majority of crimes, cops are here to maintain the law, and they do so against any race, black, white, Latino, Asian it does not matter. And if cops are here to subjugate blacks like you say then why do more whites die by cops then blacks?

And I don't know the sole reason why there is a more larger crime problem with blacks, but I know that there is no "one" singular reason why, it's more many reasons that add up. All I know is that the whole black crime thing was never a problem before, only in the last couple of decades has it really become an issue.

Now I'm done.

@CHARismatic110 yeah fuck me for saying the things that no one else will and for speaking the truth. Well I can live with that.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Your statistics are accurate I wonder why so many downvoted you, I guess because its not politically correct?

[Laura_Marx]

I say 'the prisons are there to destroy black communities' - okay, they are there to do more than that. They serve a useful function in the maintenance of Capital, all of those 'marked for death' might be squared away in them, along with all threats to civilization. As for your prison-guard friend, forgive me for not losing sleep.

As for the cops, no, they did not exist since the founding of America. There were no police anyhwere in the world until 1667, in France. The police in the U. S. have their origins in the slave patrols - have a read into it, by the way, you'll find I'm not even exaggerating.

www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/.../slave-patrols

The fact that you are ready to believe something so damning about black people without even investigating why should be a problem for you, comrade.

[Laura_Marx]

The fact is what we are witnessing today are lynchings, the exact same kind of lynchings that we saw in the early-mid 20th century. The black people who were lynched were also widely believed to have comitted crimes against white people at the time - usually raping a white woman or stealing from white property - almost always a complete fabrication. Is this really where you want to stand, on lynchings? 'Well they commit a lot of crimes'?

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@Laura_Marx Are you from the UK or U. S? Blacks do commit more crime, on average, almost 5 times as much murders than Whites to be exact, if you account for population sizes. Also twice as many Whites are killed by cops as Blacks, why is that if cops are only targeting Blacks? wouldn't the numbers be higher?

[Laura_Marx]

@HonestWhiteGuy I do wish you would read what I have already written before bringing up points I have already addressed. As I said: the statistics are not for crimes committed, they're for crimes prosecuted. The facts that black people are prosecuted so much more than white people doesn't suggest there is something wrong with black people.

As for twice as many whites: there are indeed roughly 7 times more white people than black people in the US, so it's not really that shocking. But I do concede that the police kill a *lot* of people. They are an illegitmate institution.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@Laura_Marx Honestly your points are mostly SJW nonsense so I didn't bother reading most of it. But hey you want to believe Blacks commit more crime but are unfairly prosecuted more than Whites than go ahead and believe that.

Its really amazing how you try and divert the conversation to being "prosecuted more" rather something that is a scientific hard fact, which is they are committing more crime, especially murder.

Oh well enjoy living in your SJW bubble

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx When I said cops I wasn't referring to cops specifically of how they are known today but rather law enforcement groups or individuals tasked with or choosing to keeping order and law. Of course back then people were capable of doing that themselves unlike people of today, and blacks were not a crime related problem back then either.

( The fact that you are ready to believe something so damning about black people without even investigating why should be a problem for you, comrade. ) Really because clearly I didn't do my research when I posted about half a dozen statistics ranging from the center of disease control to the FBI all of which are major and credible institutions and law enforcement agencies. And I can post even more of them if you'd like but of course people like don't care about evidences, facts or logic. Because clearly someone who lives in another country entirely knows just so much more about this then I, a person actually living here. *rolls eyes*

[Laura_Marx]

@HonestWhiteGuy A strange deflection. The hard fact is rather that the statistics refer to prosecutions and not actual crimes. Most crimes go undiscoverd, unreported, uninvestigated and unprosecuted. The crimes that are discovered, investigated and prosecuted are committed by black people/in black areas because the police are patrolling those black areas more, state surveillance keeps a closer eye on those black areas and crimes in black, and so on. Those are all pretty hard facts, comrade. I am not sure what hard facts and science back up your positions - that black people are prosecuted more because they are more violent, for whatever reason - perhaps because of magic.

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx As for the whole lynching thing go back and read again very slowly and carefully, I never stated in anyway shape or form that we should lynch black people. I said that Black Lives Matters group advocates for lynching whites and not just men but women and children to, which is actually a fact, and that they also advocate for hanging and murdering white people and again not just men but women and children to people completely innocent and this is something you can easily look up and find. And something that they openly have admitted to and been quoted on several times.

@HonestWhiteGuy Because people are gullible fools who believe whatever bullshit the media feeds them. And are blinded to the cold harsh reality of things or simply refuse to believe it. Also yes Laura is from the UK which makes what she say's even more funny as I love how people who don't live here love to act like they are the king/queen of wisdom when it comes to our affairs.

[Phoenix98]

@QuestionMan Well it wasn't an event that Trump was actually at but it was a pro-trump event, I'll give you the video though.

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx So all wise one give us the statics, give us the evidence that all the people going to jail are just innocent people who didn't murder, rape, rob or assault someone.

[Laura_Marx]

@Pheonix

"blacks were not a crime related problem back then either" - because they were slaves! What's wrong with you?

"And I can post even more of them if you'd like but of course people like don't care about evidences, facts or logic."

Christ all of you people are on this 'hard facts' thing! It's not the hard facts I am taking issue with, but your interpretation of them. Perhaps you think your interpretation follows naturally from the facts, I am showing you why it doesn't.

As for BLM advocating killing white children, I would like evidence of *that*, but regardless when you declare war on a group of humans, war rules apply. People will not stay subservient forever as their people are executed.

[Laura_Marx]

lmao I didn't expect there to be a user called pheonix. I am sorry @Pheonix, I didn't mean to tag you in this awful argument.

[Laura_Marx]

It appears she hasn't posted for 6 years, maybe we'll be okay.

[Laura_Marx]

"give us the evidence that all the people going to jail are just innocent people who didn't murder, rape, rob or assault someone."

It's not so much that people in jail haven't comitted crimes, but most people who have comitted crimes aren't in jail. That shouldn't be too hard to swallow. I am saying: the reason that most people who *are* arrested for their crimes are black is not because most people who commit crimes are black. If you want evidence you can look at where police patrol most often, where surveillance technology is centralized, and so forth. It is impoverished areas, the majority of which are indeed black. There is a reason for that, I don't think it is hard to work out what.

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx Uh no there were free blacks back well over 10,000 of them and all blacks were free by 1862, before the civil war there was even a class of free blacks.

Yes I do care about facts because you ignore mine while spouting all sorts of claims and not backing them up with any kind of fact, evidence or statistics to prove your claim. As for my interpretation I am not interpreting anything I am simply posting the facts, plain and simple.

( As for BLM advocating killing white children, I would like evidence of *that*, but regardless when you declare war on a group of humans, war rules apply. People will not stay subservient forever as their people are executed. ) Lol sure look below.

Here black lives matter advocating and spreading threats about killing white people

https://youtu.be/gYeYRwZXV-4

https://youtu.be/W6VOivlOTzA

( this was at harvard by the way )
https://youtu.be/RC-Cqkq6zWc

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx

www.breitbart.com/.../

universalfreepress.com/.../

universalfreepress.com/.../

www.dailywire.com/.../debater-harvard-says-white-people-should-kill-chase-stephens

Truth about black lives matter
https://youtu.be/sJHvppVEBTY

There.

[Laura_Marx]

hahahahah, okay, you got me. There is some pretty clever editing on those videos. The thing about 'affirm white life' - out of context it sounds like he is saying white people shouldn't be alive. Really I know what he is referring to - he is responding to a charge along the lines of 'if black people can affirm black lives, why can't white people affirm white lives?', to which he answers that white life is predicated on the exploitation of black life. The suggestion that we de-affirm white life sounds like a suggestion of suicide but it's a more subtle kind of thing - a political suicide - ending the 'white' part without the 'life' part.

[Laura_Marx]

As for people who say: KILL ALL WHITE PEOPLE. Alright, I'll concede. I won't play the game of respectability politics :P They are like me when I say we should set all bourgeois capitalists to the guillotine. We really mean it and would probably act on it. Watch your back, comrade. But as to wether our threatening presence should colour your view of race or class domination, I guess thats up to your conscience.

[ichot]

@Laura_Marx "There is a reason for that, I don't think it is hard to work out what. "

Did you really just leave it open for interpretation? After all you've typed out previously about interpretation? /facepalm.

The "natural" conclusion is because there's more crime there... That doesn't help your argument at all..

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx Lol well I can find the unedited video if you want to, but it sounds just as bad and even if that's true it's one guy out of the hundreds and thousands that do actually want us all to die.

Lol well glad I could show you enough evidence to have that over, and trust me this is just the stuff I could find on short notice there is so much more of it that is just as bad if not worse then what you've seen. In addition to their violent behavior and death threats they regularly hijack public speaking events and get in peoples faces, some even assault people. Steal mics restrict peoples ability to free speech and then force their twisted ideology down peoples throats, and they have even threatened other black people, like for instance that they will kill black people who have white friends or who support trump things like that. They are a violent hypocritical hate/supremacist group.

[Phoenix98]

@Laura_Marx

As for my view of race I honestly have no problems with black people in general even though my post may have made it look differently I was just stating actual facts from credible sources and I can't help it if most crimes and murders are committed by black people. But I do have to say these things so people will wake up and realize the reality of things and the truth.

Anyway like I said above I have no problem with black people as a whole, I know many respectable blacks from cops, to ones that work in factories and plants and even supermarkets and stores. And at my old job I conversed with and saw/met around 50-100 black people a week. They were all decent folks, very loud but decent and nice, they had no problem with white people and I had no problem with them.

What I do have a problem with is people like the ones from black lives matter who/or advocate for murder and torture of innocent people or people like the OP who are blind to the truth and reality of things.

[ichot]

www.breitbart.com/.../

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB-e9VbwMy0

[Lastlythecow]

@QuestionMan it wasn't

[StreetLevel]

This proves to me right wingers don't think for themselves. You all parrot the same talking points and cherry picked stats with no variance

[StreetLevel]

And they're misleading. Those are no conviction rates, for example: 49% of suspects accused of murder are black. That's not actually being convicted. The conviction rate is 30%, that's still an overrepresentation but it makes sense since black suspects are muck more likely to have poor representation, accept deals and plea bargains, be railroaded by jurors (especially if their victim is white and/or female) etc...

[sdistotallyme]

@Phoenix98 I'm a conservative and I agree with your points. However this hate/division is getting VERY serious now. Instead of fighting back with hate I took a different approach. I decided to volunteer helping homeless people (I pay them to help clean up street litter) in rough parts of the city I live in. I have met people of all different backgrounds. As angry and frustrated as I am with these "movements" I find the act of love, sacrifice and God's will (dislike Christians if you want, but I know I"m doing the right thing) has brought me MUCH more fulfillment and better relationships from people of ALL different backgrounds.

I swear if only 10% of the BLM and Blue Lives Matter "protestors" did what I did EVERY weekend we wouldn't have a fraction of the hate problems right now. There is a reason why Martin Luther King is remembered as a hero and icon. There is also a reason why Malcolm X was remembered as an antagonist. It comes down to love.

[QuestionMan]

Chris Rock said it perfectly a couple years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UB8DEuHXwA

In almost every case so far the police officers have been provoked. Did they overreact? Yes there are definitely better ways to handle situations than shooting someone however this isn't always possible.

In Toronto a mentally ill Black man was pissed at his neighbours for being too loud so he took a hammer and threatened his neighbours. Another neighbour saw what was going on and called the police. The police arrived and asked him to put down the hammer multiple times. The man charged at the police with the hammer and was shot dead. An investigation into the shooting proved that the police was acting in self defence. However BLM wouldn't have any of that. They protested outside the house of the premier. Her house!!!
Then they bullied her into having the case looked over again.

Now I dislike the premier but I hate thugs.
Thugs are the problem they ruin it for normal Black folk just like Radical Islamic terrorists ruin the lives of Muslims.

[CHARismatic110]

The problem is that there are people out here that lack the ability to separate the 2.

[QuestionMan]

Also loved this video by Chris Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmP3OdZtreg

It's true prejudice is strong but there needs to be an effort by the Black community to fight crime. It seems that there is a strong anti-White sentiment within Black communities and anyone that wants to become educated or contribute is seen as an Uncle Tom or acting White.

If Black people can address that then I'm sure things will get better

[Keepcalm89]

Classic sketch

I'm cracking up!

He got weed he got weed! 😂😂😂😂

[QuestionMan]

Also wanted to mention the latest videos were not clear in what happened.
The first was a Black woman claiming that her boyfriend was shot for no reason and the second one cut out an important part but after which you can see the cop jump out of the way to shoot the Black guy.

Something happened, we aren't getting the full story.

[G-Daz]

Love Chris rock lol

[CHARismatic110]

It's always "we aren't getting the full story". Smh.

[RainbowFanGirl]

I do love Chris Rock

[QuestionMan]

Well did you see a full video showing EVERYTHING that happened or did you just see bits and pieces in clip form?

[QuestionMan]

Also this video is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvpzI7noKs

[StreetLevel]

Only bad human beings use the excuse hat "some do it, so I'm going to treat them all that way". That's exactly what you're saying by trying to justify with "thugs are the problem they ruin it for normal Black folk just like Radical Islamic terrorists ruin the lives of Muslims."

[StreetLevel]

That's a cop out and an excuse to be racist and bigoted, but you're gonna fight me and are never going to admit that because you want to be bigoted and discriminate, and I bet your first reply will prove that 100%.

[QuestionMan]

@StreetLevel I hate thugs and I hate terrorists how is that not clear.
Black Lives Matter are thugs that just killed several police officers.
Heck I purposely posted clips with Black people speaking out against them to show that I support these Black people.
Daesh is a terrorist organization that kills everyone including Muslims.

[AleDeEurope]

What I don't understand is why all this fuss only comes up when a black person is killed by a cop (whether justified or not), when statistics show that white people are killed more by cops, even though almost 50% of crimes are committed by blacks, and when the percentage of black unarmed people killed by cops is the same as the percentage of white unarmed people killed by cops.
I don't understand all this "they're killing our people" when the rate is the same as that of white people.
All over FB I've read black people saying that they're scared, that they can't go out cause they're targeting them, but statistics show the complete opposite.

Facts and Stats: www.washingtonpost.com/.../

See, I'm not saying police brutality isn't there, I understand there's some cops use extreme use of force too many times, but what I don't understand is why this only seems to matter when the victim is black, even when there's clear statistics that black people commit more crimes, whites are killed more by the cops, and the percentage of unarmed victims is the same for whites and blacks.

But I mean, statistics and facts, who cares about reality, right?

Just gonna wait here for the downvotes to pour in.

[CHARismatic110]

Because that is what media chooses to report. I just learned of a 19 year old unarmed white man being killed by the cops 11 days ago. It JUST got reported today. Am I angry about that? You bet your ass I am. What I don't understand is why none of these facts and statistics are brought up at any other time.

[AleDeEurope]

That's part of my point of why cop shootings only matter when the victim is black, even though more unarmed white people are killed? Why doesn't it make the headlines when the victim is white?
But also people should inform themselves more, before throwing accusations.
I, and many others, have decided to inform ourselves instead of just reading the headlines and following what people on social media say, that's why we don't buy on this bullshit BLM and other liberal groups are trying to feed us.
When they decide to ignore the reality, to push their agenda, is when they lose the respect of those who are informed.
And I'm not claiming I know it all, but I try to inform myself before jumping on the bandwagon.

[CHARismatic110]

I support the reason why the movement began. All this other propaganda and shit is irrelevant to me. Do people use the hashtag and movement to fuel negative things? Yes. Does that change the fact the my life should matter the same way yours does? Absolutely not.

[AleDeEurope]

But it matters the same as mine. If it mattered less, black people would be killed way more than white people, but the facts don't show that at all.

[jacquesvol]

Why do cops shoot unarmed people and get away with it? Because the Law and jurisprudence excuse it.

[jacquesvol]

@AledeEurope

https://oi66.tinypic.com/21eax4k.jpg

[jacquesvol]

the sad reality

[AleDeEurope]

@jacquesvol And what kind of source is that? It's clearly biased, just look at their website.

I'm digging the downvotes. See how no one argues my point? Shows that I'm right.
You can show thousands and thousands of facts and statistics, but people will still believe the lie that suits them.
GAG is filled with so many people with victim mentalities... it's crazy.

[CHARismatic110]

Yes, use that victim mentality card. I was waiting for it. Maybe people are just sick of the excuses people like you give as to why someone shouldn't be upset. I actually wish that media would report more cops killing whites, so I that I can be outraged at that as well. No amount of statistics you throw in here will erase the image of seeing people shot to death from my head. But you go ahead and believe that you're right. Why don't I just hand you a gun and you can be next to pull the trigger.

[AleDeEurope]

Well, clearly people can't accept the truth, they still want to believe black people are being targeted, when the reality says something completely different.
You're acting as if I condone the violent behavior of some cops, as if I'm ok with the shootings. Of course I'm not. I said it on my opinion. It's a problem that has to be fixed, but using lies of systematic racism and all that crap, isn't gonna help.
Using victimism and not the real truth, isn't gonna help.
I'm not saying to forget about those innocents killed, I'm just saying the mentality isn't right.
You can deny it all you want but the truth is out there and it's not gonna change.
If you think that I'm wrong, prove me that I'm wrong.

[CHARismatic110]

The system has always been stacked against us Ale, whether you want to acknowledge that or not. You don't look like me so you will never fully understand it.

[jacquesvol]

@AledeEurope
https://oi65.tinypic.com/2z7oeh4.jpg

[AleDeEurope]

If that's what you want to believe, then go ahead.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Why is it okay for people to get shot by police because there is violence against themselves?

[AleDeEurope]

@RainbowFanGirl Where did I say that's ok?

[RainbowFanGirl]

I just don't understand why people bring that up whenever someone gets shot. 😛

[AleDeEurope]

@RainbowFanGirl Well ask them, not me xD

[jacquesvol]

@AleDeEurope
What kind of site? Look here: https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/aboutthedata/
Don't shoot the messengers.

[jacquesvol]

@AledeEurope
"more unarmed white people are killed" Logical, there are 5 or 6 times more white people than black people in the US. Simple math.

[AleDeEurope]

@jacquesvol But look at all the numbers. Like I said in my opinion, the percentage is the same for both. It's not about more whites in America, cause when you take the number of whites and blacks shot, the percentage of those shot unarmed, is the same for both races.
Your argument makes no sense.

[jacquesvol]

@AleeDeEurope
From your link:
258 unarmed blacks shot
494 unarmed whites shot (TWICE the nr of blacks)
but blacks are only 13% of the population, white 80%.
white 79.96%, black 12.85% Source: www.cia.gov/.../us.html
Do the math. It isn't hard.
See the difference?

[jacquesvol]

@AleDeEurope

[AleDeEurope]

@jacquesvol Yeah, but blacks commit more than half of the crimes of whites.
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[FakeName123]

I think you are taking the wrong conclusions out of legit observations.

It is similar to what feminists do when they say that white men are in power and the conclusion is to make that all white men have power instead of realising that a small circle based on a lot of nepotism has power.

There isn't a cop violence problem towards blacks. There is a cop violence problem. Period. Hence, black cops do kill on average more black people per cop than white cops do.

That is based on a lot of factors starting with cops being trained and educated to be a lot looser to shoot and when they shoot they are shooting to kill as part of their training. The high level of importance and authority they get is an issue as well as running in the very same circles.

Most importantly are two key factors though. First is that cops are meant to be stupid by the government. You can actually be too intelligent to become a cop and there is. The second key issue is that cops aren't meant to protect and serve anymore, but their sole purpose is to execute laws. Aka the sheriff of nottingham minus the tax collecting. For both there are court-rulings proving that.

Source 1: abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=95836

Source 2: www.nytimes.com/.../...tional-duty-to-protect.html

[CHARismatic110]

Police brutality is a major issue in and of itself. My conclusion is based off the things I see. And what I see are more black people being gunned down by cops. And I don't care if the cop that does the killing is white, black or purple. And I would be just as outraged if these men were white. In fact, I just heard about a 19 year old kid that was killed by police a week or so ago. Media didn't report that until now.

[FakeName123]

That's the issue with subjectivity though. Selective perception and confirmation bias are inevitable unfortunately. Once you think something is the case you will pay more attention to it. For example the traffic lights being always red.
Chances are you live in an area where there are a lot of blacks and thus you naturally witness this more often. Not to mention that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes (not here to argue about why) than whites meaning they are more likely to receive violent treatment by cops as well as cops being more critical towards blacks due to their own confirmation bias.

This is why statistics are important. Yes, statistics can be misleading as well - but they are more objective than your own observation if put in the right context.

[FakeName123]

Also don't forget that media is race-baiting on purpose since it sells. Kinda why trolls often get at race / gender - because its what currently gets the biggest reaction out of people.

Naturally white on black sells a lot more than white on white, black on black, hispanic on hispanic, black on white or hispanic on black.

[CHARismatic110]

There should be no bias when you are a police officer.

[CHARismatic110]

I agree there. Media does a lot of that.

[sdistotallyme]

This is what I wrote on FB page after I heard about both the Louisiana shooting and the Dallas shooting. Message me if you are interested in helping. I stripped out the event info to protect my identity. This will be located in southern California.

My FB Post

Just heard about the Dallas shooting. The response to hate is hate just like fighting fire with fire. At what point does this become a bon fire that consumes us all?

While the emotion is intoxicating for so many (and the media serves up hate like endless beer kegs at a frat party) just remember everybody gets a hangover.

If you REALLY want to make a change for the better it starts with doing something for someone else. Yeah you can waste your time/energy protesting, counter protesting and posting memes all day long. However in my personal experience just doing a half hour with (helping homeless people) brings me more peace of mind than an endless supply of xanax.

Going to pray for both sides on the current issues. But going to put my effort towards doing something that matters. Come join me in downtown (helping homeless people event) this Sunday if you are interested.

"A generous person will prosper; whoever refreshes others will be refreshed." -Proverbs 11:25

[CHARismatic110]

I think that what you're doing is great!

[sdistotallyme]

thanks. I've been doing this for a 1.5 years and I've worked with people from ALL different backgrounds (young, old, man, woman, black, white, latino, etc). I don't make a big deal about it being "diverse" because all these people are suffering from the same problem. They are on the streets because they don't believe in themselves.

I just find that all these people who invest their time, energy, money, attention, emotions, beliefs, ad nauseam on silly "movements" are just making matters worse (on both sides). Seriously how many people involved in the Black/Blue Lives "movements" feel happier and fulfilled?

When you do nothing else but complain or worse (this goes for both sides) you accomplish division, hate and animosity. That is NOT going to make your life better. However when you help someone else (Christian or not) it is an amazing feeling.

Also for the girl who downvoted me... I hope you come around at some point.

[BuchitaBuchys]

Completely agree with you.

"What about black on black crime, where are the protests against that? Hurrdurr"
1. Excuse us for holding police officers to higher standards than your average thug on the street.
2. Every race gets killed at a higher rate by your own race. Not just blacks.
3. Why would we protest how they get punished? I do want people to get punished for their crimes, black or not. Cop or not. The problem is that cops aren't being punished.
4. Many places we DO March against gang violence. There is a program called "Cease fire" in Chicago that marches against gang violence and actually works with police departments. It's been going on for over 20yrs now. It used to get news coverage but not anymore because it's not so new as BLM. I have participated in Cease fire marches because I'm extremely against gangs, with or without a badge.
Being against police brutality doesn't mean we want gangs. No. I'm against thugs with or without a badge.

Great Take Char! The extremely narrow minded people of GaG will hate it, but most of them have never felt real issues.
Although I'm not black, I always try to empathize with communities who have been oppressed as well. We stand together or we all fall.
Thank you to the white people who can empathize with us too, the world isn't perfect but that doesn't mean it has to be this way.

[CHARismatic110]

Thank you! All valid points. Like I said to someone else, my city has plenty of marches and protests about the crime in our communities. So that argument is null and void. And like you said, most times when crimes are committed in the communit, the culprit is arrested and dealt with. These officers are walking away with clean slates. Every single time. And people have had enough.

[Thrifty]

I'm not black nor white so I think my view is objective, but what the police do to persecute African Americans is BS. I think it is the mental makeup of an older society much like the Kenneth and Mamie Clark study where children in 1930s-1940s had to choose between a white doll and a black doll and the white (and even black) participants chose the white dolls.

I, though, believe that in 2016 the younger generation is different than those of the past--especially, that of the pre-Civil War generation where police brutality of African Americans was considered normal in the United States. I also think that the police shouldn't be able to get away with what they get away with just because of their job title and uniform. It's like if you want to get away with murder then just be a police officer.

I agree with Beyonce's argument that the actions of the police concerning shooting blacks shouldn't go unpunished; however, I also think that the rate of police brutality is at a steady decline (compared to 40 years ago) especially because of the exposure in the media and the requirement of dash cams on police officers.

I, though, highly recommend you all to write your local congressmen to express your displeasure and in protest to have laws amended concerning holding police officers accountable, if not at a higher standard than other civilians, for their actions.

[CHARismatic110]

Thank you for your opinion. I actually like the idea of writing to local congressmen!

[Thrifty]

I want a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.

[Thrifty]

The black on blacks killings in gang violence has to stop, too.

[CHARismatic110]

It absolutely does. Killing needs to stop period.

[BellePepper]

Char you are seriously constantly inspiring and impressing me. I wish we really did live in a world where racism was as small a problem as so many people love to say it is.

I also wish the people whinging that black on black shooting are most common were at least half as clever as they think they are. Black on black shootings are the most common just like white on white and Hispanic on Hispanic shootings are the most common shootings in those communities. A person is most likely to be shot by a member of their own race *regardless* of race.

And yet none of that is changing the FACT that systematic racism is KILLING black people. The time for prevaricating is over. You either stand up and say what's wrong or sit the fuck down and keep your racist poison to yourself.

[CHARismatic110]

"And yet none of that is changing the FACT that systematic racism is KILLING black people. The time for prevaricating is over. You either stand up and say what's wrong or sit the fuck down and keep your racist poison to yourself."

All. Of. This.

Thank you for understanding.

[BellePepper]

You are so welcome darling ((H)) I'm just sorry it's something that has to be said because some people somehow don't know it.

[Starrk]

I agree 100%

I get so damn pissed off when I see people reply to the Black Lives Matter movement with "All Live Matters". People who does that, like you said, are just as much apart of the problem. First of all, nowhere in "Black Lives Matter" does it say "Other Lives Do Not Matter", the same way breast cancer awareness month doesn't imply that prostate or lung cancer doesn't matter.

Black Live Matter is the black communities way of protesting the killings of unarmed black people by the police which usually always results in the police getting off. Replying back with "All Lives Matter" is essentially a backhanded slap to whatever problem they are trying to address. Saying "All Lives Matter" in reponse to "Black Lives Matter' is no different from me walking up to a cancer patient and telling him to stop his bitching since cancer isn't the only disease in the world.

[CHARismatic110]

Exactly.

[ShaeNielson]

But then why are supporters of the black lives matter movement encouraging killing white people? They do nothing but riot, loot and create a war between the races - again.

[Starrk]

@ShaeNielson

First of all, BLM isn't some organization that requires membership, a college degree and a background check. Anyone can be a supporter of BLM regardless of how radical their belief is, the same way anyone can be a Christian or Muslim, even though their belief lie on the radical side. Just because a few BLM supporters express anti-white views doesn't mean all BLM supporters express those views.

Also, most BLM protest are actually peaceful. The problem is that the non-violent protest rarely get media attention. It's only when violence is present that the media covers it. This results in people believing that ALL BLM protest are violent when in actuality only a minuscule portion of it is.

[ShaeNielson]

@OP The only BLM protesters I have seen are either a) violent or b) privileged college kids who whine about oppression

[StreetLevel]

@ShaeNielson Yeah but the racist cops are not creating a war? Stop the deflection, it got old already

[ginny_weasley]

I have never hit the like button on my take so quickly. These news stories brought tears to my eyes. And then I saw another news story of a black man found hanging in a tree in Atlanta, Georgia. As if I wasn't crying hard enough. When does it end? Those black men killed by white cops could've been my brother, he's African and was adopted. Just because I am mad about the horrific actions cops took, does not mean I don't think #blueslivesmatter. I am just mad about the few cops that make all cops look bad. I hate it when other cops blindly defend other cops. My sister is a paramedic and she had a coworker who was texting on her phone while the patient she was supposed to take care of was having a heart attack. My sister didn't blindly defend her because there's no unwritten rule that all paramedics stick together, my sister made sure she got fired and had her license taken away. Gentle reminder this is the country we live in.

[CHARismatic110]

Thank God your sister did what was right! I wish that cops would do the same when they know that something wrong was done.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Now I want you to google the number of Whites killed and White women raped by Blacks yearly.

Jesus christ stop pretending this only happens to Blacks when it happens both ways, and tbh, more often against Whites.

[Octavius]

Agreed. I think part of it is people need to realize this isn't just a black and white issue (I mean that metaphorically). We aren't dealing with some guys who are in the KKK and just love to kill black people (though sadly there are people like that in the world) but we deal with stereotypes that dictate our actions. I feel the video of the officer that shot the man in front of his girlfriend and daughter is proof of that. You can hear how distraught the cop is over what had just happened. He lost his shit more than the girlfriend did. I don't think he hates black people but he most likely has biases that made him believe that the man was going to go for a gun whereas if the dude was a white person he might have thought he really was going for his wallet instead of a gun. The problem is just ending biases that plague even decent people.

[CHARismatic110]

"The problem is just ending biases that plague even decent people."

Agreed.

[Azara]

Fascinating. Anytime there is a post discussing racism or sexism , Men are invariably the majority against it. (Against the post not against the bigotry. )

Well done. Excellent post. Thank you for your courage. I hope you and others keep speaking out. It does not solve everything but its really important. The more people refuse to accept b. s. excuses and rationalizations the less power they hold to blind people and the greater potential for truth.. Pointing things out on its own does not result in change but without Without reality nothing changes--So keep pointing !

:-)

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Well maybe because guys think more logically not emotionally over issues like this and look at crime rates and other factors to think rationally. Not emotionally.

[CHARismatic110]

Thank you!

[StreetLevel]

@HonestWhiteGuy Sexist, racist and thinks breitbart is a legit source. You're a trash bin human being

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@StreetLevel And you're a braindead SJW libtard, get lost.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

Im not black but i am a person of color.

It's really messed up how white people
assume that just because a person is black and has an altercation with a white cop they assume all black people hate cops when this is not in fact true.

White people do not want blacks to think that that all white cops hate blacks so why is it OK for whites to assume that all blacks hate cops and are thugs?

[CHARismatic110]

That's the issue. People need to stop assuming.

[funny_strange_man]

Since when do all white people think all blacks hate cops? If all blacks hated cops (they do not all hate cops) wouldn't that mean black cops hate themselves

[ShaeNielson]

So what you're saying is, you think it's wrong to generalize but you still say "white people" as if it was every single less pigmented person out there? That's hypocritical.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

@ShaeNielson you reaching

[Jersey2]

@ShaeNielson hillarious, right? And yet typical. Good point.

[ikissedtheskyonce]

@Jersey2 I was was not generalizing at all

[Jersey2]

Yeah you were/are. As do many others. We get it.

[polite-girl]

@Jersey2 agree with you 100 %
im also not black but i agree with you

[MollyWap]

I feel the exact same way. When I saw those videos I cried like never before. It hurt my soul and just like you, I started feeling anger and fear. I'm so worried about me and my family, and my neighbors, classmates. i feel like everybody's counting down to full out genocide. Its BAD ENOUGH that black on black crime is so common, but its ten times worse when there is nothing you can do but listen to your own humanity being questioned because of the way black people are being perceived to the point where you have to literally vocalize to other human beings that your life matters. I pray that I won't end up dead for any unjust reason. I'm 18 years old, I should NOT have to be afraid of being a black woman in a place where freedom is supposed to be CELEBRATED, and yet I'm not free to be safe AND born black at the same time.

[CHARismatic110]

No one should have to live in fear. At 18 years old you should worried about the next stage of your life after high school. It angers me that instead of that, you're fearful of what's to come.