So, you think we should have open borders.
1851 refugees got into this country, thanks to the courts who denied his last exec order.
You should. Already you have an influx of "refugees" fleeing The US into Canada. And his dealings with NAFTA and NATO willl certainly affect you.
@Red_Arrow Yes & they should be turned back at the border for trying to sneak in & bypass proper channels.
Ok, so anything else happening becuase I haven't kept up to date either.
Thanks for the MHG.
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Were you saying these things for prior 8 years?
@I-am-a-nobody Are you claiming that Trump is doing the same as Obama?
No, trump is mainly undoing the overreach of Obama.
@I-am-a-nobody By doing his own overreach, not to mention that the VAST majority of Trumps executive orders has absolutely diddly squat to do with Obama or anything he did.
Where is the overreach?Here are the ones I've heard the most about:Obama did the bathrooms one way.Trump undid the bathroom thing.Obama restricted immigration from certain places.Trump likewise limited immigration from certain places.(still don't know what he did that was unconstitutional here)Obama... no pipelineTrump... do the pipelineObama - we will enforce/not enforce these rulesTrump - we will not enforce these rulesThe EPA has a ton of control as does the HHS dept under Obamacare.Under Obamacare, the congress (dems at the time) abdicated power to president and HHS.Fill me in... where is the overreach?
@I-am-a-nobody But.. Obama did not overreach with the Bathroom mandate. It was perfectly in his power to request something like that. In other words it was not an executive order.Obama restricted immigration, that is true but he consulted lawyers and whatnot to make sure it was done correctly and legally. Trump on the other hand bumbled into it like a bull in a china shop and created a mess that would never work in the first place but again, he did not consult with anyone so the court froze the key parts simply because they needed to review it to start with. After that its a muddy mess that I dont feel like going into, suffice to say that there are plenty of differences between Donald Trump's version and Obama's.Obama did not use executive orders to stop the pipelines.etc.. etc..
OK maybe they weren't executive orders, it was more like, "if you don't do bathrooms the way I want, it MIGHT affect your funding." That's even worse!It was extortion on a political level.Obama basically said, "The EPA will review the pipeline situation until cold fusion is a reality and fossil fuels are ancient history."With Obamacare, it was, "We'll enforce this part, but his other part hurts the unions, so no enforcement." Again it might be under the HHS guidelines, so it may have been technically legal. Sorry, like all the dems who signed it, I haven't read the ACA cover to cover.On the immigration thing, he should make a few changes, turn around, and do the order again.Wasn't it the (20% of decisions upheld) 9th circuit that struck it down?
@I-am-a-nobody Trumps immigration ban was initially blocked so that the judges could review it and it then went down the route of "is this illegal and if its not, should it be illegal?". I am not going to go too much into it since I haven't read the court documents myself but all of this could have been avoided if Trump just consulted with lawyers and whatever first.The presidential mandate that Obama used to provide guidance in regards to bathroom policy is based on him being elected through democracy. Also its not something you are technically forced to follow either, its more of a suggestion in this case.If you ask me then the pipelines is a complete waste of time and will cost American taxpayers more then it will benefit USA. In regards to Obama care its a mess for several reasons and I would not blame Obama for even half of them.
How can you not blame Obama on Obamacare?He had a super majority to pass pretty much anything he wanted. When they passed it (without reading it), he implemented the thing.
@I-am-a-nobody Because the ultimate "shape" of Obamacare (if you so wish) is not what Obama actually wanted in the first place and it was actively sabotaged by the republicans to the point that its a miracle it worked at all. I would say that if we take the problems with the Affordable Care act then the vast majority of them simply comes from obstructionism by the republican party.This is also something that was going on throughout his entire term as president, long after he lost his super majority. In many ways, the Republican party sabotaged Obamacare for political reasons and to give themselves an edge in the presidential election (which they have admitted to)
OK, let me explain it to you...THEY HAD A SUPERMAJORITY!!!Ok, that's better.The Republicans couldn't have stopped it or obstructed it.The Dems had a solid majority in the House and 60 in the SenateIf the Reps could have stopped it, they would have!If Obamacare was so great, the Dems would have kept that supermajority.As it is, they lost Ted Kennedy's seat!Do you even have a clue how peeved the electorate was in 2010?The majority hated (and still hate) Obamacare.Yeah, we know what Obama wanted. He wanted a failed system, so he could sweep in with single payer system, which is what he really wanted all along.Really, it's so disingenuous how liberals are OK with Obama ramming through orders and regulations in the last 20 days he was President. Why didn't he put this garbage through in his first year?At least Trump is doing what he said he'd do (vs. Obama on GTMO). If it makes sense now, do it now. Don't wait until your bags are packed.
@I-am-a-nobody Yes they did have a period of SUPERMAJORITY.. Problem is they did not do much with it. Also regardless of that the Republicans can still slow down and withhold resources like when they withheld like 2.5 billion so that the premium rose.There is a significant backlash against Obamacare but something like 85% like the Affordable Care act.. They are the same thing. Its just that the name of "Obamacare" has been smeared. In fact it was even the Republicans that started using the name in a derogatory way and Obama just liked it and adopted it.Obama never wanted the Single Payer system, if he wanted it he could have gotten it with his SUPERMAJORITY bla bla bla.. You do realize that Obama was not a liberal right?
OK if Obama isn't a liberal, what is he?A progressive?Actually, he's more of a Communist or a Fascist.Whatever you call it, people got real tired of it.A majority of Americans said we were on the wrong track for the entire Obama presidency!see https://www.rasmussenreports.com/It's only dipped under 50% since Trump became president.Yeah, Obama liked the name Obamacare, because he's a narcissist.And yes, he wanted single payer.Let's see, $2.5 billion divided by every man woman and child in America is about 8 bucks.So, that 8 bucks a person is why the take over of 1/6 of the economy failed, right?
@I-am-a-nobody I would call him a center right politician. For example he implemented "Obamacare" instead of single payer healthcare and used a Republican proposal as its base. Nothing really liberal about it honestly.The 2.8 billion was an example where Republicans sabotaged the program which lead to higher insurance premiums for no reason at all except to make Obamacare work worse then it actually did. Its just one example of many.
@SoterisOK, I disagree with you to the core (and I'm pretty sure you feel the same way).But have a nice weekend...
@I-am-a-nobody Fair enough. Same to you too.
Bullshit. Republicans were foaming at the mouth about them during the Obama administration. That's why it's an issue now, because of the blatant hypocrisy of the Republicans.I'm no fan of the Democrats, but seriously, so called "Christian" republicans are the biggest liars in the country, no contest.
@TiffyPuff you mean lying like when Obama said “no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what. " yeah score one for the honest democrats. =/
Trump has signed far more executive orders and memorandums (which are pretty much the same as executive orders) than Obama in that short time. And the right wingers who so strongly criticized Obama for the ones he did are cheering Trump for doing even more. Sounds like Trump is getting a pass for what they tore into Obama for.
@Red_Arrow Well, when the orders so far are almost entirely UN-doing the previous administration orders, why are you surprised they would approve?
Just like Obama did. Also he is mainly undoing Obama's executive orders.
@Thisperson98 - I think Trump has already surpassed Obama on issuing executive orders.
No he hasn't.
Because he is undoing Obama's orders.
@Thisperson98 A travel ban isn't undoing anything obama did.Ease up on that kool aid son.i758.photobucket.com/.../trump-kool-aid.png
Most if trump's orders were undoing Obama's. Also technically the travel ban is actually a perfect example why the president has the power to make exuctive orders.
@Thisperson98 And the court ruling it unconstitutional is why I'm glad we have a judicial branch to keep mad men in check.
Actually that said court is actually the most overturned court in the country. 80% of the cases reviewed by the supreme court from that said court is overturned.
Where did I renounced logic?
Close to correct, except that Trump chose those advisors to back him up on his bad ideas.
@Red_Arrow again, because he isn't very bright.