1. he hasn't been claimed to have any mental illnesses 2. how many times has a sercuity guard checked your bags going into a motel? 3, hotel maids don't go into your rooms looking for guns 4. how hard is it to bring in 10 bags over a 3 day trip. pretty easy. 5 . what laws you going to change and people still going to get guns no matter what laws there are
1. Do you genuinely think someone who would do this completely sane? I think your definition of what is mental illness is a little off if not. Mental illness is characterized by an actual imbalance in the brain that causes it to act erratically in different ways depending the illness. 2. I have stayed in several hotels mainly 5 star in foreign countries that ALWAYS have a metal detector on entry. It's there because there is a security risk always of radicals doing things in places where important people are.. from Barcelona to Tbilisi, I've seen this not just 3rd world countries and I think it will become the norm here soon. Hell, my small town high school had a metal detector.. 3. true, but I would think that many would be hard to hide and it is too big of a risk for him to put them even in drawers and cabinets. Don't you think it's a common thing for people to suspect maids of snooping in their things especially in Vegas where someone might think they are more likely to get away
@hornymike6969 4. very easy, you're right on that.. the ten guns going unnoticed is more talking about maids and housekeeping not seeing it then passing through the lobby. which is why I think we will start to see metal detectors in hotels in the us IF ONLY the 5 star ones at first. Hell, don't you think mandalay will have to if they want to maintain any type of business. 5. criminals will. you will instantly be able to tell who is the criminal and who isn't from simply seeing the gun. robbery does not go down by people owning guns, carjacking doesn't go down by people owning guns, rape and kidnapping don't go down by people owning gun. they simply offer protection if you are ALREADY in a bad situation or if you PUT yourself in a bad situation.
yes there are people out there that are just evil without being insane. this guy could have done a lot more damage if he wanted to rent a plane and crash into the ground with explosive on it Yes metal detectors will be coming to some hotels soon
Funny. More people are killed by knives every year then guns. Drunk drivers kill more every year. So if we are gonna take away guns then we should take away knives and cars too. Or we should see that it's the sick individuals that are the problem. Not the weapons they use. Plus I want to know I can defend myself from a person trying to harm me.
In total, the illegal Mexicans do kill more then the white terrorists, even if trump wanted to blame the whites he wouldn't be able to do anything about it because whites make up 50% of the Native American population.
The shooter was a white guilt liberal who hated whites like you hence why he shot a country concert where only whites go.
@Wolfstarking omg really did you talk to him? And you are pathetic I am American who loves my country and loves the diversity it comes with. What I don't love is the president who is a joke honestly i can not take him seriously or admire or greatly appreciate him for what he's done or said it's very simple but hey that my opinion and you have yours. Don't point fingers at me when you do not know me.
@Tittyboyswag I'm not saying he should point fingers! I'm saying he SHOULD NOT. And these situations are psychotic honestly killing kids? Killing people who simply want to enjoy music or a movie come on seriously? I'm just saying this world needs help
Well your pointing fingers at trump, throughout the entire history of humankind there will always be fucked sick people. It's just the way the world is and me or you can't do shit about it.
@Tittyboyswag ummmm hello he put his life out into the public eye obviously because he wanted to run for president and he did so successfully. So yes I do have a right to state my opinion about him. He said stuff I agree with and a lot I don't. Even before he ran for president I could still say something about him because he was still in the public eye since he was a business man.
Maybe because America is full of white people?
@normielover6969xD America is a diverse country everyone knows this and that's what's so unique about it.
Well he is also entitled to his opinions also.
Everyone who is getting offended I clearly know why and that was not my intention I was more talking about how sad the situation is and i can't believe what this world is coming down to. Yet you tend to look at the person who I stated.
Well you shouldn't have brought him up and just rant about the shooter but u had to bring up a controversial topic like trump, you have no1 to blame but urself
Whites make up 72.5 % of the population
The news and police chief called a lone shooter
they should call it a terrorist attack as soon as they investigate and uncover a political/religious motive. I read somewhere that the man was a radical islam convert so if thats the case its safe to say it was a terrorist attack. Everyone is saying "It won't be labled a terrorist attack because the shooter was white. The truth is we shouldn't label it anything until we actually know for certain what his motivation was.
@Blake0048 you make a good point
Well, we don't know what his terror motive would be, yet, so it can't be classified as an act of terrorism. However, I'd be willing to be that will change.
Hopefully i will raise awareness to the obvious but often overlooked fact that Islam is a religion/belief system not a race.
Thanks for mh love 😗
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this happens much more than you think. whats worse is, the only reason why this is mentioned is because it has politics involved. Guess how many people in chicago die from gun violence in one year?
Mountain meadows is the worst mass shooting, between 120 and 140 killed
This is awful information. People are fucking sick.
yeah pretty much.
The UK is now facing something worse by taking away guns they are facing people who are throwing acid in people's faces or stabbing someone, take away one way of hurting people if they are determined they will find another way
@spookster True, problems will crop up one way or another, but can someone injure 530 people n kill 60 people with acid or stabbing? Nope it can't happen. Probably kill or hurt a very few but no way to massacre people like Vegas.
That's not the point if someone wants to hurt someone they will find a way, suicide bombings, running people over in cars, remember the Boston bombing a few years ago? Pressure cookers were used as bombs and the only time guns were used is when the bombers were backed into a corner
I agree. :)
@Apoteket, nice. : )
I totally agree with you sara
I agree completely. We as Americans still need the ability to be able to be well armed in times of national crisis and governmental tyranny. You never know when society will break down and it is during those times when preparedness and freedom will be put to the test.That said, maybe make semi-autos restricted in all cities? After all, cities are where the highest concentrations of people are. You can still defend your home with a revolver or a shotgun. Outside of cities, still allow semi-autos of all kinds (handguns and rifles) to be available and legal to own. Just an idea.All I know is that I am all for gun rights, but I also realize that something needs to be done about these lone gunman. The key here is to be rational and logical and not legislate out of emotion, which tends to lead to government overreach.
I agree and that's exactly why our forefathers said we had the right to bare arms. Because the tyranny of the government. Which our forefathers even said these rights were God given rights not man given rights
The fact that everyone is allowed a weapon in the first place is stupid that's why there is so much killing cos they can as they have a gun
@P31chica I soooo agree with you. Perfect comment
In my country most murders and killers use a knife. Some may also use a crowbar, ax, hammer and similar as weapon because guns isn't as easily available. Although these can do a lot of damage it's much more difficult for a person to kill many people with these weapons compared to a gun making it less likely to cause many deaths. Therefor a law would against guns wouldn't be a completely waste. In addition with a law you can decrease it although it don't get rid of it completely. Stealing is illegal, but people still do it and some even gets away with it. Do that mean we should legalize it? And should we legalize drugs, killing, raping and whatever? I thinks more laws would help.
So what people don't understand is if you take the Second Amendment away you become sitting ducks to your government. I don't want a regime in America
@curiousnorway This makes sense if other citizens were the only threats to us. People think it can't or will never happen, but a total break down of society or government tyranny is a real possibility. For freedom to be more than just a platitude, a gift bestowed on us by our government, for a natural right, then we need to be able to arm ourselves with whatever weapon is the most efficient for the time. Knives, crowbars, bats, etc. are not going to allow the people to band together to fight back against a tyrant. Taking away our freedoms for a bit of security is not the way. Once a freedom has been restricted or taken away completely, it becomes very difficult to get it back without a bloody conflict, one where we would be at an even bigger disadvantage without strength of arms. I know there will people who say "no way can the people stand up to the military", but don't underestimate the power of a guerrilla force, one that will also have military members.
@dan0075 You're allowed to have a legal firearm. This shooter had a fully automatic weapon, which is illegal. @Commenter Investigation doesn't appear to show he targeted a demographic just yet. Shooter killed himself so it's probably going to be awhile before they know.
@rjroy3 Common Sense tells you that he targeted demographic!!
@rjroy3 Was it found to be fully automatic? It was said that he had over 10 rifles, all expensive. He could of modded them to use a GatCrank or a modded stock that allows for bump fire.
@freakyzeaky He had several weapons, some used were full auto.@Commenter The outcome was he hit a demographic. But that doesn't mean he consciously targeted a known demographic
For all we know he picked a major crowded area at random, to do the most damage.
That needs to change is gun laws. No single man should have had access to those types of weapons.
He bought all the guns legally there was no criminal record there was no way of knowing, in fact his girlfriend was the only one that knew about what he might do and she didn't report him. When he bought the weapons they were semi automatic which means one pull of the trigger one bullet then he made the guns fully automatic by watching videos on YouTube and buying a kit.
@spookster so you're basically saying there's nothing we can do? I'm well aware that the government isn't going to do jack shit. When a bunch of pre-schoolers were massacred in their classroom, and the government didn't do anything then, they made it quite clear where they stand. They think money from the NRA is more important than people's lives.
The laws are there but no one enforces them, the San Bernardino shooting the man who bought the riffles were was under investigation by the FBI.
@spookster well money from NRA is quite influential. That's why I am no longer a member.
Money is always influential just look at government officials I think that elected officials should have jackets with stickers on them that say who donated to there campaigns
@spookster I like that. Just like Nascar drivers.
Most sane people here realize this but the NRA and rich white guys stop that
agrred. police in Indianapolis have the guy his gun back that shot me last year. now he shot someone else
And do you see the downvote on this opinion? It's ridiculous how people get butthurt over a gun when people are losing their lives. We need to teach the next generation more about respecting life in school or something
Dude, literally 0.02% of legal gun owners in this country ever use their weapons in a crime, and even then it's mostly suicide (there is a reason suicide is considered a crime in the US), and most criminals who use firearms to commit crimes obtain them illegally.
Here in Canada we have gun control. I can tell you it doesn't prevent criminals from using guns, they just get it illegally.
That's why we said more regulations and control, to stop people with problems from getting guns
Exactly what I thought. Butthurt over guns lmao. "We want our guns, our guns r everything 4 us"Get over yourselves.
@awesometjgreen I'm really sorry you got shot but I'm just curious what happened and why and how?
@TheIceCreamQueen exactly no one said anything about taking guns from responsible people
😂 I didn't get shot it was the other guy
@awesometjgreen oops ok the other dude tell us what happened @georgespr
We need to act rationally and logically when it comes to legislation. Creating policy from a place of emotion is not smart.
I think where most people are coming from. This guy had a gun that was illegal to have by anyone not in the military using it for combat. So when someone says, "gun control" that doesn't actually mean anything. The gun was already banned and the shooter got the gun anyways. Gun control didn't work.
"Gun control" in this case would be hiring Charles xavior and Magneto to locate and stop all attackers, before firing a shot. Because if a gun ban isn't enough gun control that's about all that's left to do.
You Ms. are a vulture using a tragedy to advance your own politics. A lot of things can be blamed for mass murder Islam being the number one such thing, should that be outlawed?
@Jackblue lmao how am I using it for my own politics? It's my opinion. You don't have to like it. You don't need to call me names either it just makes you look immature.
I am immature, but like a vulture you eagerly scoop up the dead
To all the people who replied saying "gunz r so kool" and that gun control isn't the problem bc he had them illegally... Here you go. He bought them legally and this is why I said this is a problem. Stop being in denial, wake up and smell the coffee. https://i.imgur.com/3QxPI48.jpg
It is like I said before, a person who has no criminal or mental health history can suddenly commit an atrocity and no one will expect it. That is how guys like Ted Bundy got away with his crimes. He was so unassuming. That isn't a gun problem. Unless we can do something as invasive to freedom as the "Minority Report", there will be no way to predict when or where someone will snap and kill people.The guns you demonize didn't kill, the man did. A truck could do just as much damage to a crowd of that size, if not more. Explosives could do even more! Imagine what a few pipe bombs could have done...As long as there are evil, sick, deranged, or misguided people in this world, there will be horrors and atrocities. Legislating out of emotion is not rational, it is not logical, and it seeks to sacrifice our liberty because of a few monsters. Our liberty, our freedom, does not come without a cost or without risks.
You didn't hear anyone say we have a car problem after Charlottesville or Barcelona.
I wonder how many people unvoted this because it went straight over their heads
@Gypsy_x more than is healthy probably, ha!
How would they have shot back? He was on the 32nd floor. And it night time. It could have invoked a little sense of panic on his part to make him shoot less, but imagine the panic when you're on the ground and people around you are dying and you don't really know where the target is.
@Lelianax2 What, guns don't fire up? I'm telling you, arm EVERYONE and someone is bound to kill the gunman eventually...
If he could hit them they could hit him.
If they had a sniper, possibly, but, nothing else would have hit him
I forgot that GaG seriously struggles with sarcasm and satire... Fml
I loved it!
Isn't that a commercial on the radio in GTA V?
I got the joke, basically you mean the opposite of what you said.
Taking away guns leaves people with knives, just check the latest London attack where a bunch of Muslims went on a rampage but there were very few killed and officers shot the attackers within minutes. Now if these came with automatic weapons there would be a hundreds and hundreds killed in a busy pedestrian area..
@johnsnuuuh. Or a person could fill a truck with a fertilizer bomb...
@johnsnuuuh the gun ban in Paris didn't stop people from shooting up Charlie Hebdo and the Bataclan. All the gun control laws in the world would not have stopped this guy in Las Vegas when he was using an illegal weapon. Gun control only affects people who obey laws.
And gun control worked great in the UK where they could only obtain knives and were shot in minutes. The France incident is as rare as it gets while it's almost a weekly thing in the US. I mean why do you need a room full of guns? People like that don't even get flagged as the official bodies don't even know who's hoarding weapons.. And then this law abiding citizen goes nuts and we have another mass shooting in the news. How much longer will peoples right to shoot bottles in their back yard will be put in front of their kids safety at school? :(
This guy clearly was not a law abiding citizen when he was in possession of an illegal weapon.
Usually people who are pro guns use the argument "what if we are attacked, how will we defend ourselves?". Well this was again in the US and citizens having guns didn't help stop this one man from going on a rampage.
@DamonGill NOTHING short of airport level security at hotels would have stopped this guy. He was using an illegal weapon, rendering gun control useless.
Not to mention, firing from a perch far from his victims.
@TheWaterBear what i mean is. Pro gun people always claim that having the freedom to have a gun means citizens will be able to stop things like this by means of defending themselves. Well that clearly doesn't work so what's the point in having them in the first place?
I'm not saying gun laws would have stopped this man. I'm saying the argument people have for having guns freely is shown to be void by this incident.
@DamonGill yea thsts kinda true tooIts yet to be seen that arming civilians actually makes any differenceIt just seems to keep you cozy at night with a pistol tucked away under your pillow all paranoid if someone breaks in
Of general massacres yeah there have been worse, but of rampage mass shooting by a lone gunman... this one is the worst en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_rampage_killers_(Americas)
Ah I see
@Kitten967 Massacres typical have more than one perpetrator while this was just one perpetrator.
Also no one is saying take ALL guns away but do you seriously need am assault rifle? Canada has a gum law, you cam carry a handgun, but if you need am AK assault rifle I think you are damned from the start. Think ww2 "right to have nuclear ☢ arms"
@slickdragon Agreed. No need for an AK. But then the second amendment needs editing. It is law. And there is going to be trouble if it isn't changed before messing with things.
Taking away guns will not solve anything look at england they took away guns in the city now only criminals, terrorists, and cops have them, if people want to hurt others they will figure out a way by using poison, bombs, knifes, axes, shovels. By the way the AR in AR 15 is armalite riffle not assaut riffle.
Just a general reminder. Especially for the boy who likes to cry “white genocide!”
Great point. Thank you
Imagine a world that keeps track of nothing... that makes no sense
It's almost like people make statistics out of this stuff woooOOOw.
@PrincessBunBuns That’s what I mean. The news should cover these things, but sometimes the way they do it makes it seem like they enjoy reporting on tragedy. Even a week where nothing significant happens, they’ll find the most upsetting study or incident to report on. It’s too much.
That's the point of the news. To educate you about the world.
Weather or not you like it, people pay attention to sensationalist Headlines
America tries to solve every other countries problems.
And you of course have proof or evidence to support that statement? What country's problems are we trying to solve please name at least one? When you make statements like that without backing it up with any examples people tend to just ignore what you said.
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O and it will get worst. That is Trump's America for you all.
It will not stop straw purchases though. There was a trooper shot here through a straw purchase. Gun was bought from another cop
Well true there is that problem too
You can have every single law and statute on the books across the Country regarding gun control and that will not solve any problems at all. I have been a legal gun owner and I have a concealed weapon license for over 30 years and I know more about firearms much more than anyone. The only way to stop this kind of a problem would be for the U. S. Government to abolish the 2nd amendment and that will never ever happen where no private citizen could own or carry a firearm as if they ever even proposed something like that there would be another Civil War or American Revolution within hours. At the present time sorry in my opinion there is not answers or resolutions to this ever growing problem in our society today.
Most of these mass shooters don't need to worry about straw purchases though. They go about their lives without any criminal background, may or may not have any history of mental health issues, go about their lives without any suspicion, max out their credit cards and buy a bunch of rifles (since handguns have a waiting period, rifles don't) and ammo. Then they can commit a horrendous act like what happened in Vegas, then off themselves.It is like a suicide, just with the intent of taking out others before you go. Before a suicide, people may never even catch wind that you had those kinds of feelings. Just look at Chris Cornell; no one had a clue. A guy like Chris could of also been angry at the world, bought a cache of guns and went on a shooting spree before killing himself too and there would be nothing that would indicate it beforehand. That is what makes this so scary.I am guessing amount of background checks would of prevented this from happening.
you may have straw purchases. you may have illegally purchased guns on the black market. but the reality is in developed nations with strong gun laws their murder rates are dwarfed by the US. the US had 16k gun deaths in 2016 compared to 512 in he UK.i'm not saying get rid of the amendment or ban all guns but i just think the argument about straw purchases and illegally purchased guns falls rather flat when you look at the efficacy of strict gun laws in other developed nations and the significantly lower gun deaths those countries have
His weapon was against the law to have. Some would consider banning that gun "gun control".Didn't work.
@rjroy3 you are right and a weapons ban wouldn't end murders. as it hasn't in any place in the world. but the evidence is that strict gun laws greatly reduce murder rates
@madhatters4 Statistics show it lowers rates of murder by gone, not the murder rates themselves. Western countries have around the same rate of murder. Broaden out to other countries like Mexico (which I don't consider a fair comparison) who have tight gun restrictions and their crime is worse.
Rates of murder with a gun*
Background checks are already mandatory.
@rjroy3 16k in the US compared 512 gun deaths in the UK.The US has more than 10x's the gun deaths (per 100 people to mitigate against population differences) of Japan, Hong Kong, Spain, the UK, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, South Korea, Italy, Sweden, Denmark, etc, etc, etc
@madhatters4 We also have a a much bigger gang problem that many of those countries. I would argue that the war on drugs, not just the proliferation of guns, is the reason why there are so many gun deaths. Also, you can't discount suicides. In countries where suicides are still high like Japan, but also have more strict gun control, the people will just other ways to kill themselves such as hanging or drugs.
@madhatters4 I know you're intelligent, so please don't do this.By saying banning guns lowers murder (absolute statement about all murders regardless of weapons used) is a lie. It only affects the murders done with the use of a gun. The rate of murder regardless of the weapon used is about the same among western developed nations.
@madhatters4 Do yourself and everyone a favor and do not conflate the two. Bouncing back and forth between being specific to guns then expanding that out to all murder rates. Because it's not true
@madhatters4 Because at the end of the day. Do you care about murder or do you care about the weapon they used? When the rates are relatively the same. Because I don't care if they used a bat, a knife, a gun, acid or a car. I care about the murder rate. There's nothing more evil about a gun.
@rjroy3 i have only spoke of gun deaths. i have only produced statistics regarding gun deaths. banning guns you'd invariably lowers the murder rate. you can look at murders alone and view that countries with stricter gun laws to outright bans also have significantly lower overall intentional homicide rates (America's murder rate is 4x's higher on average compared to those same gun death comparison countries)
@madhatters4 if you look at murders before they banned the guns to them now, it followed the same decline as we see in the US.
@madhatters4 Your exact words "but the evidence is that strict gun laws greatly reduce murder rates". If you were not concise that is fine. But as to your point regarding gun regulation and murder:www.trendrr.net/.../For frame of reference Venezuela banned personal him ownership
@rjroy3 these countries you are comparing are borderline developed and some 3rd world nations. yes i did once mention murder rate once... ONCEnot comparing war torn, politiically unstable, communist regimes but countries similar to america in government, stability, development (such as say France, UK, Denmark, etc) the US has a firearm death 10x's higher and a murder rate 4x's higher than those countries... why are we discussing venezuela to the US rather than European or some of the Asian countries which are culturally and developmentally far more similar?
if we are honestly going to compare america to venezuela, colombia or honduras than fuck gun laws we have far larger issues to deal with. but i'd like to think america is more similar to italy, portugal, the UK than venezuela, colombia or honduras
@madhatters4 see table 1.01 www.homeoffice.gov.uk/.../hosb0212?view=Binary
@madhatters4 That's fair. And I did mention earlier that I don't quite consider Mexico a fair comparison. Here's another study (an old study, but still accurate): www.cnbc.com/.../...ies-it-just-has-more-guns.htmlat least an article discussing the study, which also has a link to said study.
@rjroy3 he also had a license for all 23 guns...23!! guns they found in his hotel room
@madhatters4 I haven't looked at the story since yesterday. Last I heard it was 19 guns. 10 guns before that. I'm going to give it a few more days, before talking about more of the info. I don't think they have it all yet and they're still investigating. All they know for fact is the name, his job, he legally purchased weapons. Some had illegal modifications, he used the I. D. of his girl who was in another country at the time and he had been in that hotel for a few days before.I'm just curious what the hell makes someone who has no past history of violence (that we know of) to flip a switch and do this. Just crazy to me.
@rjroy3 the family said that his father was violent and had mental health issues so it is very possible that he may have had some genetic mental health issues. aside from that i haven't heard anything that would suggest a reason for such a violent outburst
In England you constantly hear about attacks with suicide bombs or other attacks like at the ariana grande concert. Sorry but removing guns isn't the answer, if it was you wouldn't see people being blown up in England or run over by trucks on crowded streets
I don't think these attacks would stop if you take away or control guns. I mean that the impact wouldn't be as severe. It would be a lot harder to kill and injure such a high number of people in such a short period of time.
I live in France, Guns are illegals there. Yeah, we've been thought many attacks, I was in one of them so I'm pretty aware of them. But we have way less attacks of people just buying a gun and attacking because He went mad, was crazy, bullied, associal, nihilist or I don't know what. Our mains tragedies are always bounded to ISIS. And this last Vegas Shooting was just claimed by these assholes. I don't know what you are thinking, but I don't feel like the shooter was a member of ISIS, just a Guy who suddently went mad and kill people, yes with illegals weapons, but he could have bought others anyway.My condoleances to family and friends of the victims, I know its hard, so be strongs and keep moving forward.
@Ranchou, yeah I agree with you. I don't think it the Vegas attack had anything to do with ISIS, they just like to claim every massacre is done by them to further their hate campaign. I'm sorry you went through a terrorist attack, that must be awful. I can't even imagine it. I hope you're feeling okay.
You can't buy the type of gun he had at a gun store, or even most black market dealers. He must've had some deep contacts within the Black market.
Ordering guns piece by piece online isn't difficult and avoids many of the controls used to stop guns coming through the mail. Where there's a will there's a way, no matter where you live.
@Enginerd99 I wouldn't even know what to order, where to order parts or how to put them together.What I mean is, if I was going to go and kill a bunch of people, I wouldn't have the knowledge or know the means of how to get a gun at all. I could spend weeks researching it online and find out I guess (I doubt I'd actually be able to do it tbh). But if I was an American, I wouldn't need to go through all that effort. So even if it was just a moment of madness, I could kill a whole bunch of people very easy and very quickly. It wouldn't even need any planning really.
@SarahRosey Actually it's incredibly hard to get your hands on an automatic rifle even in the states. The most powerful weapon you can just go to the store and buy is a Barrett 50 caliber sniper rifle but that's a single-shot weapon. From there the closest thing you could probably get to an automatic rifle is an M15 which is a semi-automatic. Now I'm not a big gun person myself so I could be wrong on some of these facts, but the point I was getting at is if there's a will there's a way. And something like what's happened here takes a great deal of planning.You'll never avoid incidences like these they happen it sucks but they happen. The best way to go about stopping these types of things is to make sure that every single one of your citizens prospers and no one is repressed. Happy people don't go out and kill random people that's the route you go to solve these problems.
@Enginerd99 I haven't a clue on what guns you can buy or even what they are tbh. My gun knowledge is literally zero! I know what you're saying though, I agree that if someone is that determined then they will find a way to do it. My point is that, in the U. K. it's much harder to find that 'way' because of our gun culture (which I think is pretty non-exsistent, in my experience anyway). I don't think it's possible to make everyone happy unfortunately, everyone has different ideals and desires. And even if everyone is happy somehow, there would still be those with mental health issues. I just think controlling guns would limit the easiness of getting guns and the severity of the attacks.
@SarahRosey I absolutely can respect your opinion but I don't agree with it. I think this is an extreme situation and extreme situations will always happen at an equivalent severity level that it has happened here. I think removing guns also remove security which is one of the basic human needs. I personally will never own a gun but I know a huge number of people that have their Concealed Carry Permits and all of those permits came after an incident of loss of security. Carrying that gun with them provides them that security once again.
@Enginerd99 For me, having a gun wouldn't make me feel secure. I'd feel like it could be grabbed by someone else and used against me, or that I'd be more likely to use it against someone in a fit of anger. But, we've been brought up with different ideas on guns.If I even seen a gun, in public or in someone's house, I would instantly feel incredibly unsafe and scared. Even if I knew the person very well, such as a partner or family member.If gun laws in the U. K. became the same as America, I would honestly move to another country. I know way too many people who I wouldn't trust owning a gun.It's going to be more severe if there is an attack using guns over more accessible methods, such as knives. You have to be close and personal to attack someone with a knife, but you don't with a gun.
@SarahRosey I can agree with you that guns make me uncomfortable, I went to Columbine. I have family that was directly affected by that incident. And he's one of those people that has a concealed carry permit now. But there's other ways of killing people than guns. Explosive devices are very easy to make and the materials you don't even have to be 18 to buy for the most part. I think the point I'm getting at here is if someone wants to go kill a bunch of people you don't need a Gun there's always a way. Cars kill more people than guns every year significantly more people, should we Outlaw cars? Now that's an extreme example as cars serve other purposes and the intention of a gun is to kill but I think we focus on trying to solve what scares us and not what actually does the most damage. We can't let fears drive policy.
Yes but a cars purpose is transportation while a guns sole purpose is killing or injuring.
@Enginerd99 So, do you think explosives should be made legal too? If they are easy to make and the parts are easy to buy.If I was going to kill a bunch if people there would be no way I could make an explosive or buy gun parts online and assemble a gun. It might be easy for some, but I don't have any knowledge of these things. I struggle to put ikea furniture together! So, restricting guns wouldn't stop everyone from being able to make a gun, but it would stop the majority. Obviously cars should not be outlawed. My point is that cars serve another purpose, guns do not. Not only that, in order to get a driving license you have to take driving lessons, a driving theory test and a practical test (in the U. K. anyway, not sure on America). Where as, you don't need to have any lessons/tests to own a gun.I can't imagine any scenorio where the situation would be made better if I had a gun. (By this, I mean any actual real scenorio that has occurred in my life).
Honestly I stopped reading your narrative when you said you guys don’t need more guns your from somewhere else you have a lot of nerve telling us what we do and do not see how about sticking with your own country figuring out Their problems
Just because she doesn't live in the US doesn't mean she can't have an opinion. She was giving an example of how gun control works in her country and why America should have better gun control.
@mayalevyr the only reason Britain has less violence is because they’re almost-entirely White.
@TheSpartan we have a lot of other cultures in Britain. In London the population of white people is 44% according to Wikipedia. @jimmijo1954 America is a hugely influential country so of course other nationalities will have an opinion on it. Anyways, I thought Americans were all about free speech
Yes, and that’s partially why the London crime rate is higher. In terms of national demographics, however, about 95% of the population is White.
@mayalever The American people are nothing like the British people we would never have agreed for something like European Union by the British people were brainwashed into voting for and now they finally got their heads out of their ass with a bowl out of European Union while it may be simpler they’re not the American people they are the British people so there really is no comparison
a) This a national tragedy and you shouldn't be trying to turn it into a political agenda hours after it happened.b) Banning guns doesn't help. Other countries have proven that time and time again.
A) this is a national tragedy that was avoidable before the 21st century came aroundB) we got rid of loose gun laws in Australia after the port arthur massacre and we haven't had a massacre since. Check your facs
Except for the fact that the rate of violent crime is higher in Australia. Don't pretend to understand other countries politics when you obviously don't. Plus, France banned guns and they had a mass shooting at a concert where 90+ people died. "Check your facts."
Violent crime has increased in correlation to methamphetamines replacing heroin as the most available A class drug. Mass shootings have decreased by 100% while America has had one almost every year of the 21st century. :thinking:France is euro zone and that whole place is unstable as fuck thanks to the lack of peace in the middle east (which USA have had the largest part in) Whenever y'all are ready to stop using excuses to justify your lack of legal action towards gun violence the better you will be
America isn't Australia. Or system works completely different from yours is and was. And ironic that you say we use excuses when you used the excuse of bad drugs. America is the powerhouse of the world and we didn't get here by giving up rights.
Powerhouse of the world like how Steven Paddock is the powerhouse of VegasPowerhouse of the world but smart enough to elect a reality show host to president who tweets threats of war to an unstable dictatorShoot firstGet educated later. "Our system works differently". And? Like what do you even mean by that? I agree though. In your system you have the NRA leading blind rednecks like yourself to believe the world will cave in if you dont have the right to arm yourself to the teeth. Whereas we have basic cognitive function so we dont need agenda based lobbying groups to tell us how to think.
Do you blame spoons for making people fat?
Americans loving guns is NOT the issue here. Why do ignorant people keep bringing that up whenever there seems to be an incident like this?
@PoliceLivesMatter well, Australia banned most gun ownership in the 90s after a mass shooting and we haven't had one since. I dont expect America to do the same, but SOMETHING has to give. Or do you think its just a tragedy that can't be helped?
Brazil has strict gun control as well, and look at the violent gun deaths there...
@PoliceLivesMatter Brazil is a developing country, surrounded by third world countries - obviously it won't work there.
I believe the U. K. has a more violent crime rate and rape statistics as compared to the US. Again, you can't compare countries Gypsy because crime is not calculated quite the same and laws aren't defined the same. If someone wanted to shoot up a place what can technically stop them? Laws? Of course not.
I can also cite other developed countries with strict gun control and a higher crime rate.
@PoliceLivesMatter so what do you propose? Do nothing and deal with them?
No, but strict gun control is a knee jerk reaction that probably wouldn't have stopped the Vegas shooting.
Higher security most likely would've.
@PoliceLivesMatter then what? I'm genuinely asking.
How? He was in the hotel? Open carry laws... can you use metal detectors and stop guests from bringing guns in?
Gypsy, that shooter premeditated a shooting of over many people... NOTHING was going to stop him. If security was tight, he would've changed course. Biology. Sometimes people just die, that's life. Laws are already strict, punishment is already strict.
Open carry laws? What does that have to do with anything?
Tighter security would probably be a start and after this we can pretty much expect Vegas tighten up
@PoliceLivesMatter I don't accept that. No one should.
He didn't open carry the rifle to his room lmao
@PoliceLivesMatter duh, my question is whether hotels can search/use metal detectors and refuse entry to guests if they are carrying (especially in a state with open carry laws) or would that go against their right to carry.
If they saw someone open carrying a rifle to their hotel room, police would definitely be called for sure. I'm not a legal expert, but you wouldn't be able to go unnoticed if you did that 😅
I expect soon upon entry into one of these tall building hotel/casino's will begin with a metal detector + bag/luggage search like in airports
Yes, that would be a step in the right direction.
@PoliceLivesMatter my question is whether they are legally entitled to do so? Would preventing them be a breach of their right?Would reform that allowed people to stop gum carriers from entering their premises be unwelcome?
Again, I don't know. Depends on who owns the hotel I guess. They can kick you out if you're a disturbance or don't comply. Just because you can open carry, doesn't mean that gives you free reign to open carry any weapon, ANYWHERE without consequence.
I honesty wouldn't mind being searched everywhere, as long as everyone else gets that treatment and it helps to facilitate possible bad contraband out of the premises. Stuff like machetes, guns, etc. People want their privacy though, so balancing that out with safety is difficult obviously
@PoliceLivesMatter that is what I'm confused by - the laws and freedoms associated with gun ownership. If business owners want gun free spaces, are they allowed to enforce that? Or is that discrimination? I feel like this is the kind of reform that could make a difference.
There's a lot of business owners that make their establishments gun free. This issue is very complicated and riddled with legal jargon. The main point is, don't play "Americans living their guns" as the cause of this incident. It really diverges away from the main issue and any solutions and makes it a gun control vs. pro debate among people. Polarizing
@PoliceLivesMatter the reality is that America has more mass shootings than any other developed nation, and NO reform has been introduced or even seriously considered. That is largely because of the American psyche and its attachment to the idea that gun ownership acts as a check and balance on govt power (which is obviously untrue, considering the way the govt works, and how disadvantaged the ordinary American person is).
You're forgetting that the type of weapon he used, an automatic weapon, is illegal and has been in the United States since 1986.
What Spartan says is true, also, even if you were to outlaw all guns, it's a deep cultural thing not a gun thing. Which means, the reason why countries with similar gun laws experience DIFFERENT crime rates or phenomenons, is because of the underlying cultural dilemmas.
This sim not a matter of guns this was political. This is what hatred against white people propaganda does, the shooter obviously was a white guilt liberal who wanted to kill whites I mean who else goes to country concerts other than whites and hicks?
@Wolfstarking I think its very unwise to start making those assumptions
@ashley004 I heard it was the 36th story
@wolfwhateveryouare-surprisingly I agree with Gipsey last statement only she said it in a very mild way. I would say that was the stupidest thing I've read in this thread yet about white and Hicks being the only people going to country music concerts, I don't know who you think you are but you should rethink how you engage in public discourse like on here.
He used an automatic weapon lmao
@TheSpartan Not sure someone shooting so many people is funny, but hey GaG is full of all types.Doesn't that prove my point even more though? Weapons made before the automatic ban are (even though they shouldn't) allowed to be sold and kept.
Why should they be banned? This kind of thing hasn't happened before with an automatic weapon in the United States, not since the Valentine's Day Massacre back in 1929.
I don't know how a person can go from being okay with life, to hating it so much that he open fires with 10 automatic guns on thousands of people. That is not normal. Expressing that much anger and saying the person did not hate people/life just doesn't make sense. Especially sense he showed no sign of psychiatric illness his whole life. Either something happened, or he was hiding it really fucking well his whole life.It just doesn't add up.
he had 16 guns and why reload when you can just go to the next gun that's already loaded in 10 duffle bags.
Why go to the extensive work of sneaking 10 or 16 guns into a hotel? Do you know how many fucking bags that would be?
Reloading honestly would be faster with the detachment function during reloading. Faster, more convenient, and easier.
Thats because your generation has the attention span of a gnat. While shoving all your labels and stereotypes down our throats that we MUST accept, we have to hide our feelings, since they're not PC. I'm 1 of these guys. We despise what it is today. Leave us alone. Its only a matter of time. We've had absolutely enough.
I'm wondering if the shooter might have had a brain tumor. Something like that could lower one's inhibitions towards violence. It is as if something happened that completely changed him.
@WalterBlack I am very eager to hear about the autopsy. That should shed a lot of light on this subject.
I hope so too.
@WalterBlack I like your theory, though. Never considered that. However, don't you think he'd have shown some signs of erratic behavior before this? This plan was very elaborate. He obviously had at least some consistent thought. Unless the tumor was on like his limbic system.
I don't know. I'm just throwing ideas out there. I'm trying to think of any logical explanation why a wealthy , successful, presumably happy guy without any history of mental illness would massacre innocent people. It made me think of a security camera video I saw of an elderly man that used a detached bedpost to fatally attack a nurse in a hospital without any provocation. I believe that was attributed to a brain tumor. The possibility of a brain tumor is the only thing I could come up for the shooting, aside from crazy conspiracy theories.
Yeah, yours is the most reasonable I've heard by far.The owner of the woman's ID and credit card that they found was actually out of the country. My boyfriend speculated that he actually was planning to escape and frame her, but the SWAT team came in faster than he expected, so he just shot himself.
If it wasn't the worst than it wasn't the worst and keeping quiet about that doesn't change that. No one is trying to dilute the tragedy by saying it wasn't so bad. Also, if it wasn't politically motivated, than it isn't considered terrorism.
Under Nevada law yeah, that's terrorism.
he's a 62 yr old white guy
He a lone shooter that's what the news said had no connections to any terrorist group
I’m guessing he might have had some psychological issues
Not sure if he had another motive
His social media profiles revealed that he had become infected with islam a few months back. And that he was an avid anti-trump democrat and an avid supporter of obama, clinton, and antifa.
I'm in las vegas and the police chief said that's is a lie he acted and commited this I'm his own he had no communications with any Islam group
That's what I been told by las Vegas news
This is all very disturbing.
I'm a member of the NRA and own multiple guns, but you are wrong this time. Someone casting would be able to stop him. I think you need to look up what happened. I don't think this means we need gun control however.
So if you means there's no point with gun controls or making drugs illegal, do that mean you thinks there's no point of having any laws against rape, stealing and killing, since people are going to do that anyway?
Oh totally. Yeah man, bc that makes sense. there's ALREADY gun laws in place and all they stop is the law abiding citizen. No terrorist or mass murderer ever had a problem getting a Foid Card bc they never needed one.
Now we have ISIS claiming responsibility for the attack. They're fizzling out, dying for any semblance of relevance these days.
@ROOKIE_GUY you're totally right. Now that I've seen where he was shooting from and all the other aspects it's clear there was no way anyone could have returned fire accurately and without harming other innocent people in the process.
I can't expect anything better from Americans when they are able to use guns like that.
Terrorism is a legal term based on motivation and has nothing to do with damage done. Terrorism is an act of indiscriminate violence against innocent actors for political, religious or ideological purposes. He may yet be declared a terrorist but there is no evidence showing his motivation. He could be like Tim McVeigh who was a terrorist... he may be like a dude who was just out to murder some people cuz he thought it would be a great way to be remembered. Who the fuck knows but at this point it is not hypocrisy to not say its terrorism when motivation is not sufficiently understood.
@Izumiblu And how can we tell that every single Muslim committing such mass killing is motivated by religion?Why is the genocide in Myanmar not terrorist?Why not the bombing in Palestine?
It stands to reason that if you have a guy carrying a Quran yelling Allah akbar while running people down with a van terrorism is a very reasonable statement.It does not stand to reason that every Muslim that attacks someone is accused of terrorism because its simply not true even though you would like to say that to make your case.And by definition governments cannot carry out acts of terror directly because a government cannot be held accountable to civil law. If you know anything of American history you will know that through the year 2000 domestic terrorsm in the us was far worse than international actors and that there are many declared acts of domestic terrorism every year.Your original statement that not declaring this terrorism is hypocrisy is simply untrue.
I'd it's not politically motivated it's not terrorism.
Please stop the race baiting, if its terrorist attack they will define it as such, terrorist has an actual definition. Comments like yours are actually pathetic, stop using a mass shooting to race bait with SJW logic
Guess what hypocrisy is not illegal in the United States. If you don't like coming to the land of the free then just don't come here. And by the way if you don't like it so much ask us if we care? Go ahead and stay in your third world country it doesn't matter to us.
@cubsterShura-- The next time you don't know what to say follow your instincts and don't say anythingyou will probably be more coherent and say something more sensible.
@Izumiblu You again mean the same thing. Here is the point:Those in Myanmar and Israel are not considered terrorists but a Muslim even keeping a beard is accused. Double standards is badly working here.@HonestWhiteGuy unfortunately you people changed the meaning of terrorism. Honestly tell me what comes in your head when you hear the word? Don't deny.@jimmijo1954 uhh are you sure you're replying to me?
@cubster-yes I am talking to you you started your narrative by saying you don't know what to say. So I am suggesting that when that happens follow your instincts wait until you do have something to say.
@jimmijo1954 Excuse me? I only said that I have nothing to say about the shooting, but what I said was rather my opinion about how people are reacting to it. I know what I'm saying in this case. Maybe check your own language, because you went out of topic.
Well you're just wrong. I didn't notice you are from Bangladesh so I can understand why you don't seem to know much about the American justice system and why it works the way it does. Bottom line you want to call it terrorism because of the extent of the damage and you are incentivized to call it that because you don't like the attention Muslims get for the terror attacks they carry out even though they carry out the overwhelming majority of terror attacks across the world. Those things don't make this a terrorist attack even a little. When they find out the motive that is what will make this a terror attack or not. Its a very simple fact that when you set aside your emotion its easy to understand.
@Izumiblu I pointed out the double standard multiple times. Want me to mention it again?
@Izumiblu And why won't I be fed up? People actually like they know all about us, but when we actually explain they shut us down.If I tell you today they ISIS is not related with Islam, will you believe?
Actually no I would not believe that Isis is not related to Islam because it is.
Actually I commend you for defending Islam. Of course not all followers of Islam are terrorists but peaceful followers of Islam should continue to condemn loudly and across the world the extremist views of Islam being carried out by members of Islam. You should continue to loudly condemn it because that’s what we in the west need to hear over and over and over from people like you so that we get it to our heads that you are not all barbaric be headers of innocent people. But because some of you are it gives the rest of you a bad name
@CubsterShura You have 0 clue what you are talking about, go do your pre algebra homework and leave political issues to people smarter and wiser than you
@jimmijo1954 A attack happened in my own city. The terrorists involved and the list of victims gives us all a clear idea that ISIS is NOT Islamic at all, they only use the name of Islam.@HonestWhiteGuy Oh yeah, you got nothing better to say now so all you do is just bash me for my all get, good try. FYI I'm one of the top students in my class and I spend over 12 hours a day in classes and tuitions. Took part in this year's maths olympiad.You better start collecting some brain cells too.
My age*And don't blame me for not understanding my point.
They're saying ISIS is taking responsibility for it but I think they just wish it was them.
Well the guy in Edmonton had an ISIS flag in his car. They say the guy in Las Vegas had no ties with ISIS and had no criminal record so his motives are unknown. Yeah they probably want to assume he was a terrorist though. He lived in a nearby town. There’s no other reason for him to get a hotels room and carry 10 machine guns up there just to shoot innocent people across the boulevard.
That's exactly what I'm wondering too. What was his motive going after a country music festival if he's some random white guy? It doesn't sound like radical Islamic terrorism... maybe he had something against one of the bands that was playing? I don't know. They said he has an Asian woman who helped him at some point, so they're trying to track her down
That’s what my mom said, maybe he doesn’t like country music. But that’s a very drastic action to make if you dislike the genre
In the UK, the gun bans didn't help the murder rate at all.
@Thisperson98 that’s not true, it’s even strongly the opposite: www.usatoday.com/.../
See table 1.01 www.homeoffice.gov.uk/.../hosb0212?view=Binary
@Thisperson98 sorry, the only thing that shows is that firearm crime went up in the UK too. If you look at those figures it shows that the percentual values are still ridiculously lower then the ones in the US.
To compare the result of something, you can only have that one thing change. That is why you really only compare the UK to the UK. If you know anything about scientific experiments, you should know there should only one variable that changes.
@Thisperson98 That ‘sounds’ good. Reality on the floor is that you’re having a mass shooting incident with dead people every 3 months...
More people are murdered in Chicago every week then the amount of people murdered in this mass shooting.
Well he had an assault rifle shooting from high up into a crowd of people.. so yeah even if he's alone, he had a huge advantage.
That's awful! I just heard on the radio there too that they are saying it's the worst mass shooting in U. S history! And the shooter was in his 60's which I was also surprised at too!
It was one gun man shorting form the 34 floor of a hotel. and he would shot stop then shot again
@ashley004 He was on the 32nd floor
still on the books: www.congress.gov/bill/99th-congress/senate-bill/49 "Makes it unlawful, with certain exceptions, for any individual to transfer or possess a machinegun. "this lone wolf definitely was using a machine gun which is illegal
Nevada is not known for its enforcement of gun laws... Nobody wants to really talk about this...
If they're not known for enforcing the law, then your recommendation to look at our gun laws seem kind of irrelevant then don't ya think?
Honestly it really is not a "gun culture" problem. It is a "culture of violence" problem.
If you wouldn't give guns to who ever came to the gun store and asked to buy a gun i bet we would have less shootings like these.
It's irrelevant. He used an automatic weapon, which is already illegal.
Iceland has one of the loosest gun-laws world-wide, yet one of the lowest homicide rates.Correlation =/= Causation
I bet if someone broke into this girls house she would call someone with the a gun. The cops
@BoyIfYouDont666 My bad. Been a long while since I read into the topic. It wasn't gun laws, but gun ownership.
So they ask some questions and shoot at a firing range. Very easy
Have you tried getting a gun in Iceland or anywhere for that matter?
@BoyIfYouDont666 Have you tried gettnig a gun in the US?Anyway. Stop derailing. My point was about gun ownership/access doesn't necessarily equal gun violence. Aka the discussion needs to be held about what CAUSES gun violence. The guns itself are just tools.
This wasn't because of gun culture moron this was political. This is what hatred against white people propaganda does, the shooter obviously was a white guilt liberal who wanted to kill whites I mean who else goes to country concerts other than whites and hicks?
@FakeName123 Good point.@Wolfstarking I've heard a few preliminary news stories about the shooter's background. I didn't hear anything that would back up your claim. Maybe you are jumping to conclusions.
Wolfstarking why are you so full of shit?
Exactly what's he fucking up? A democratic idot did the shooting...
The question is where he hasn't fuck up yet. You keep ignoring, but he will get you. Eventually he will get something you protect, and then you will realize you fuck up too. But I mean, what you expect of a country where the leader advocates for violence and the American way. People try to make things right and do a peacefully knee down, he's reaction? Bashing on them for trying to do something peacefully. When hell is breaking loose with the white supremacist, he calls them fine people. When now, a white guy, has made the biggest shooting of the century, what will he do? Stand up and put a stop to all of this madness? No, he will try to slide it under the table. Open your eyes @ay.
Opinion owner... First of all , I agree to disagree. My eyes have been open a lot longer than yours and with your mentality , you will be the one surprised. You sound racist and fear mongering.
See your eyes my have been open looking where the government wanted you to look. You have some years on you, you lived in some of America's greatest years, therefore you may have been confortable. But this is another times pops. We ain't about the American pride anymore, we are about equality and a better world. You either help or stay out. And no I am not racist, I am just bold when fighting injustice. Ain't nothing more frustrating than someone who is stopping progress.
After spending 22 years in prison , your trying to tell me about equality and a better world democrats are trying make it. You dont have any idea as to what your arguing or fighting about. And just because I'm talking about democrats , doesn't mean I'm a conservative either. And about me helping or stay out , if you were standing in front of me saying that , I would have dropped you quickly right where you stood.
Well sir, spending 22 years in prison does sound like you are such a contributor to society. And just in case you didn't know Democrats are the ones who try to bring equality and protection equally in america. Protecting the minorities and redistribution wealth, just because the Republicans are not letting anything of this to happen it doesn't mean they haven't made any good progress. I and by the way Trump wants to fuck you on your taxes and pocket under the table money by opening more prisons. And I am very aware what I am talking about ay, equality and peace for everyone under the government is my goal.
If I have to deal with people like you to do it, I will. And typical of people with small brains and big mouth, when they don't have anything else good to say or to support their answers because they are uneducated or ignorant they prefer to use the fists. Pop if you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen. Go to your confort zone, and get brain wash by watching trump on fox news and eating junk food in your couch. Let me make a real change, o and by the way I took 10 years of boxing just for when big mouths like you wanted to be smartasses.
I said that to see how you were going to judge me. I figured you would underestimate me. I'm a offensive art instructor myself , 26 out 42yrs and counting. Im Samoan / Brazilian not white.
Well I am glad, you chill out pops. I was about to drop out the conversation because I didn't see anything positive coming out of it but I guess you have quite a history and background, I respect that. But I mean, I guess we can find something in common instead of finding more to divide us. So what you think about this gun incident?
Its a weak persons imitation of strength , trying to dictate a scenario to voice their infectious autobiography into others lives. It has an overtone of stupid written all over it. Something nobody can fix
Its a weak persons imitation of strength trying to dictate a scenario to voice their infectious autobiography into others lives. It has an overtone of stupid written all over it.
Opps ° offensive martial arts instructor **
Well I do agree on the act as been very stupid if we would call it that. But know I wanted to share this screen shot I took yesterday. It made a good point. Check it out and let me know what you think.
Although , his home elsewhere had 18 guns and explosives plus numerous other stuff. Including his social media inquiries and numerous other connections , this ultimately ties him to the scene. So no I don't believe that assumption.
Aaa there it goes. See that is what I am talking about. People always tell you one side of the story or the other. But they never say it as it is. For a second there I believe the screen shot to be convensing. But now you got some evidence, which I hope is true, then yes this guy had some problems. So we can agree he did had problems.
Now, how can we prevent a future event like this. Because it seems that every new guy that starts a massacre wants to kill even more people. Before the aim was take as many as you can, now it seems they are getting smarted to make the body count as big as possible. I can't imagine what will be next, may be in the 100's who knows.
Its unpreventable , but what it reeks of is a deep culture disturbance in the US. The democrats and their monologue and their heart felt intention to rewrite the constitution in their favor has been struck down once again. This is rebellion from those who never conformed to societal norms anyhow. The weak will snap , break , throw tantrums , rebell and with great anger rectify and justify their infectious autobiography into everyone's lives if given the opportunity.
I mean I don't think the weak are the one who are doing all this shootings. You can be weak and still live a normal life. I think the root of this are mental problems. Today my school offered a 2 hour seminar about suicide and mental problems to raise awareness about what is going on in society and how we as individuals can help. I attended and learn so much. And I mean this "crazy people" are just mentally ill and need help. But I wouldn't deny that taking your own life and taking the life's of 50 that is not normal behond the mental illnes or depression ext.
In the seminar we had several discussions in groups and stuff and I realize it can strike to anyone. A soldier who is berely starting a family, a person who is unhappy with marriage, a teenage who doesn't know where to turn for help, a millionare who can't find satisfaction in life. A famous singer who despite having a great life, decides to break. I mean seems very common to me. I think the problem is that we are not treating mental illness like we should. Why we don't live the gun issue to the side and try to fix the person before even touching the gun.
I meant those mentally weak people. That's who the government writes all the laws for , including our state's. To protect the weak , to level the playing field. We're only as good as our weakest link. When they finely contemplate their own destiny , figure they're got nothing to loose either way , they try to claim the opposition as a force against the very attrosities they've always been at war with within themselfs , they generally feel the inevitable is the rebellious way to get back at society. So , can we all imagine the US being governed by the mentally weak , or the LBGTQ community or those mental dems or what we have now? Now with that said , why is the pro-choice individuals so adamant about rewriting the constitution for benefits for themselfs and everyone else that doesn t even belong here legally? Why the new world order? And of course , why insist on a form of communism to head our system gov? Whats wrong with representing where you reside?
Individualism , you can't possibly represent as a nation or a unity or a siociety , being an individualist. Thats counter productive in every form , facet and variable.
Hay ay I think you got too much of your opinion filtering into your answer, not so much looking for a solution. The LBGTQ are great people and they would do great things if in charge of the government. I just have to call it how it is. And no disrespect but I don't see nothing helpful coming put so I will call it here. It was great talking ay take care.
Ya good pointsSomething seems really strange about this one
What's perplexing to me, as someone who's been to Vegas casinos and resorts before, is the fact that it was found that he had roughly ten different rifles in his hotel room. Having been to Vegas casinos, I know that the security there would not allow this, as I have seen someone get "escorted" out by security personnel for something as lesser as having a knife on them when walking in. So I don't understand how he got any weapons into his room, let alone how many they're saying that he had. It almost seems as if security turned a blind eye to him bringing weapons in.
Yes but like all we know thw media will keep their mouth shut about that...
He was the owner or administrator of the complex I think. That might be how he got them in.
Has that been confirmed as of yet? The last I heard was that he was living in an assisted living facility about 80 miles north east of Vegas.
Ya lol how does one bring in 10 rifles to a las vegas hotel room on a night of a huge concertWtf
Like I said, it seems as though, if those reports were accurate, that security turned a blind eye.
I guess the big question is why...
Obviously it was staged, there's more we are not being told.
@OhMyLeniency wait, what? Staged? Are you one of those conspiracy theorists?
Of course he opened fire. They were listening to COUNTRY. No one likes country
ya its rare for a rich older guy to do this. his motives are shrouded in mystery much like adam lanza. this guy outperformed Omar Mateen and cho.. became the deadliest mass shooter in north america, at least for now. I did not think Omar mateen would be pushed to second place so fast
Lol far from that but things just dont add up.For example there is footage of a person shooting on floor 4, the woman who went around 45 minutes before the shooting telling people "You're all gonna die soon", The man who was neighbors with the guy and said he would've never done something like this. He was also a gambler and worth 2 million... does that sound right to you?
@OhMyLeniency no, it does not sound right to me but neither does a school getting shot up or a movie theater or someone killing and eating their victims. none of it "sounds right" but that's not to say there is an added conspiracy or other element to those atrocities either. Nobody has an interest in covering up these murders but even if there were, too many eyeballs have witnessed this to let it go and not find the truth. But your idea would make for a good TV movie of summertime series.
where did you get this idea of another shooter making up stories again.
He did not do it. Proof videos on youtube with secondary shooters from the 13th floor AND on the ground. This was a Sacrfice. Right in Front of the pyramide.
@Wolf1967 oh no. People, it’s not a conspiracy to keep the truth from you. This guy bought a bunch of guns over the last year especially and had designs to kill many there may be others involved TOO but they got the shooter.
You can own rifles in Canada but it’s not like you roll up to the store and walk out with one. You need a license, which is a few step process.
@Astoriana still though. Germany is probably a better example
@Astoriana Germany is the fourth most armed nation in the world
@Astoriana I always question what the difference is and what are the similarities, I always come up with background checks and a strong social welfare system
@Astoriana but the fact is republicans are stupid and hate pretty much every way of reducing violence
Interesting factoid! But I do agree. How can we really not think about gun control at times like this? It *does* work.
@Astoriana it does I like guns I'm going to get a ccw eventually but goddamn we do need a system like Germany 5.5 million guns owned by 1.4 million people and this shit doesn't happen there and that's becausw they actually try to prevent people from getting guns who shouldn't have them and then they have a strong social welfare system which also is proven to reduce violence
Rare?1) America has six times as many firearm homicides as Canada, and nearly 16 times as many as Germany2) America has 4.4 percent of the world’s population, but almost half of the civilian-owned guns around the world3) There have been more than 1,500 mass shootings since Sandy Hook4) On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America5) States with more guns have more gun deaths6) It’s not just the US: Developed countries with more guns also have more gun deaths7) States with tighter gun control laws have fewer gun-related deaths
Not rare at all. Maybe not to this level, but still
The bottom line is, shootings like this only happen in gun free zones! I have a CPL and i carry as much as i can as often as i can but the gun free zones are easy targets! The shooters know nobody can have a gun so they can kill as many people as their sick minds want until they either shoot themselves or the cops get there and kill the bastard. If there were no gun free zones the sick bastards would think twice about going anywhere
@yulbsari First off the US has 10 times the population of Canada plus why are there any firearm homicides in Canada at all when guns are so strictly regulated there? No handguns are allowed and all long guns are suppose to be registered. The problem for Germany and most of the rest of the world is they have been disarmed by their own governments much like liberals like you would love to do in the US. If you are counting the number as compiled by Gun Violence Archive they use a different rule for mass shootings as the FBI. They are a liberal anti-gun organization. Oh really? If states with tighter gun controls have fewer gun-related deaths you may want to check the top 4 cities with the most. They have the tightest gun control laws in the country. Yours is just so much liberal bs.
@phyllis91 that is soo true!
I know that facts can be disturbing. I have confidence that facts and rational thinking will protect all of us from this senseless bloodshed as time goes on. I pray that no one you care about... or you yourself will become a victim. That is at the heart of my "liberal bs."
@yulbsari And if they dont have access to guns they will use knives and machetes and hammers and whatever else they can get their hands on and their victims will have nothing but their bare hands to try and stop them. Sorry but you nor anyone else is going to disarm me and make me an easy target. I will use my gun to defend myself. by the way in your facts and rational thinking where is the number of peoples lives that were saved because they had a gun to protect themselves with? How many lives have been saved by a shooter being taken out by someone with a gun? You fixate on deaths by guns how about lives saved by guns?
No one is talking about taking your precious guns. We are talking about sensible laws... just like we have laws that govern driving cars. Background checks... stricter controls. In Nevada and other states, ANYONE (NO BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED) can walk into a gun show and get whatever they want... no questions asked. They can be certifiably mentally ill or have an extensive criminal record. That's absolutely fucking ridiculous!
@yulbsari i see ur point but at the same time a criminal is going to get the guns whether its legal or not. In some states they just make it easier to get guns for the public for the fact that the more people who have guns the less people are going to want to shoot shit up bc they know someone is going to kill them quickly cuz more people own them. There is good and bad in everything but making guns easier to get out ways the bad bc the "bad guys" will always have and get guns. If u limit how easy it is to get guns it only hurts the honest citizens who will get killed by the criminals who have them already
@yulbsari I will bet you anything that you have not once walked into a gun show anywhere and tried to buy a gun. You will not be walking out of there will a gun I guarantee that. They have to do background checks just the same as a gun shop. Which by the way the nut in Vegas bought guns from licensed gun shops and he had nothing on him through that check. He had to wait the three day period before he could take possession on the guns. You are like all liberals. All talk and no walk. When you get criminals to follow all the "sensible" gun laws you want to hamstring the law abiding people with them let us know. Until then all you would be doing is making harder for people like me to defend myself. Its not going to happen. You are not going to make a target of me and my loved ones. Go set in a gun free safe zone and tell us how criminals never shoot places like that up. Nothing but setting ducks.
So, are you trying to tell me that no one can buy a gun at a gun show without a background check? You're delusional! Tell me something... How many "bad guys" have you shot... or pulled a gun on? Any of your friends? If so, what were the circumstances... not make believe? How do you determine who is bad? Are you willing to shoot a cop to protect someone you consider to be innocent?
The biggest loophole is private gun sales. It is appalling the number of states that have NO laws regulating them... no background checks... no nothing... just pay. That's crazy! Geez... we have stricter laws regarding cars!
U determine who is bad by them trying to cause great bodily injury to u or someone else. On those 2 main reason (there are other reasons but those 2 are the most straight forward) u can pull ur gun and use deadly force if necessary. And yes if a cop was doing one of those 2 main things i would pull my gun and use deadly force if necessary.
@Mattjb83 "U determine who is bad by them trying to cause great bodily injury to u or someone else." So, what if that happens to be the "good guy" who is causing "great bodily injury"? Another "good guy" like yourself could easily walk on the scene and see you shooting and decide that you are the problem! Life is not like a movie or video game!!!
I realize it won't be black and white, but if im right there at the scene and somone is beating the shit out of someone or stabbing them or whatever the scenario for no reason then ill pull my gun and unless in some super rare occasion anyone else who sees me with my gun will see the other person or 2 people if they were trying to cause me great bodily injury or somone else, they will be in very close proximity of me so the other good guy will see whats unfolding and know whats going on
@Mattjb83 Maybe the person getting stabbed is getting stabbed in self-defense... or just raped the stabber's daughter. No, it is not black and white... and most people aren't psychic. Deciding to draw your weapon and/or shoot someone is serious business. The reality is that most gun owners lack the training to even begin to properly assess a situation like that. In the heat of the moment, they will follow their emotions... not their brain.
Thats why u have to use a little bit of common sense and judgement before u just go shooting shit up. If u dont catch them in the act and see it for urself u have no legal right to shoot them or pull ur gun. They have training to get a CPL for a reason and unless someone is open carrying than they will know how to handle the situation
@Mattjb83 Dont bother. No matter what you say he will come back with some off the wall hysterical scenario where you won't be able to reason with him. In his eyes all of us who legally carry are just nuts and shouldn't be allowed to carry to defend ourselves. Just like he never answered my question about how many lives have been saved by guns. I have not had to use my personal weapons but I have gone through NRA training and when and if I do use them I will have them. Left up to libs we would all be setting ducks in their insane gun free zones where criminals know everyone is unarmed. I have had to use deadly force. I served as an MP in combat. I am not about to let someone disarm me. My life is more important than their ideology.
@phyllis91 i wasn't going to go back and forth with an unreasonable person for much longer haha at least there are some reasonable people out there lol
Care to elaborate on your "deadly force" situation when you were a MP in combat? I have a feeling you are probably full of shit on this one. Why do I think so? Most people who have killed another person in combat or any other situation does not go around bragging or touting how great guns are... wearing it on their chest like a badge of honor... Secondly, you referenced your "NRA training" as to being adequate for any scenario. Obviously, that is a bullshit answer from anyone who ACTUALLY was trained in the military, served in combat and killed someone with a gun... Also, please provide the statistics on exactly how many people have been saved?
@yulbsari I dont owe you anything. You are programmed to respond the way you are. When I say deadly force I am not saying I killed anyone. It means when fired upon we returned fire. Of course you having never been in the military wouldn't know that. You just have your stereotypes. I know many military who were glad to be able to return fire. You would probably disown them as well. You are so full of crap. The NRA training was just part of the training I have taken. The point is there are no statistics on the number of lives saved because self defense is not a crime and so stats are not kept on them. Now go back into your safe place in your gun free zone and maybe one day a legally armed citizens like myself will protect you from any bad guys who want to inflict harm to your unarmed self. I am done with you as well. Continue your rant. I think I will go to the range with some local law enforcement friends.
I don't owe you fucking shit either!!! What the hell do you think "deadly force" means? Are you fucking kidding me? You are a scared pretender with a gun who is all puffed up... and full of shit. You probably haven't even shot at any body in your life! You would piss your pants... and so would your friends in a real fire fight! I respect REAL military people and REAL police officers, not fear mongers with guns. They make me fucking sick! You are making light of all of the people who have actually shot and/or killed someone... and the victims! This NOT a fucking JOKE!!!
Haha typical come back, shit i dont know what to say, so u say the same response back of well i dont owe u anything either... this shit is just getting funny! When did we say that this was a joke, this shit is serious! And the shit ur saying about what she had done is disrespectful af!
@Mattjb83 Dont worry about it. I made him cry so of course in typical liberal fashion he attacks me personally. I could care less what he thinks of me. He has probably never held a gun in his life or fired one afraid it might hurt him. I grew up with guns. He just can't handle a strong woman who can take care of herself. Thanks for being reasonable.
Oh wow that whole "I go to a range and practice so I know hoe to use my guns" cliche BS. No, you know how to hit a 2d target in a controlled setting but there is way more to combat training than target practice. If people claim that they use their gun for self defense but all they do is target practice but don't partake in actual self defense training then there's no reason to take them seriously. " The problem for Germany and most of the rest of the world is they have been disarmed by their own governments much like liberals like you would love to do in the US." Oh cliche claim number two; liberals want to take away guns to disarm people so the government can push them around. Except when it comes to the strength of the US military, whenever anyone talks about downsizing it conservatives are dead set against it. LOL I'm sorry you can't have your cake and eat it too.
You can't argue that we should have guns to fight back against a theoretical tyrannical government and then argue for an overpowered military that said government could use to oppress the population and be taken seriously. Is there a case for gun rights? YesDoes this mean that the conservative case for it isn't a complete joke? Nope
Almost forgot to mention, yeah we do need a military to defend our country but that doesn't justify a country with 5% of the world's population and 16% of its wealth should have 40% of the planet's military budget.The Second Amendment was put in place for a reason and it's not so you can overcompensate for your insecurities
@Ad_Quid_Orator Perhaps you should take up reading comprehension cupcake. If you had learned to read you would have seen where I served as an MP with the Army and received my combat training through it. My range time is spent with several local law enforcement officers and they are honing their skills as well. Oh and by the way the US has such a huge military budget as we are the last superpower and a lot of countries look to us to defend them. Most of Europe and Japan and others can then spend their money on other things. But hey thats above your pay grade. Sounds more like its you with the insecurities. You hide your profile. What are you afraid of? A little girl from Texas like me?
What the FUCK does a country's military budget have to do with gun control? Did you actually graduate from high school? The only thing that I am CERTAIN OF is that you are indeed "a little girl from Texas" who has never SHOT ANYONE OR SHOT AT ANYONE! You have a "little girl's" understanding of foreign affairs and how outlays for military budgets are determined. I suggest you pursue higher education. You went from talking about your imaginary situation in the Army using "deadly force" as a sidebar to your "NRA" training which makes you the go to person in a fire fight. I continue to smell serious bullshit coming from your direction. You seem to think that all of this is a joke. It's not. It's not funny... human life is serious business. If you really have the background that you say you do, you would not be responding this way. You are just proving that you are a bullshitter... and not a good one at that...
LMFAO!!! This is a very serious matter if anyones laughing its bc of stupid ass comments like that. Is a conversation not allowed to wonder a little bit, she's still talking about guns. Stupid people are trying to make it so citizen aren't allowed to have guns but only the military. Its not really that far off from the topic of conversation. In the ideal circumstance nobody should have to shoot anyone but this world is far from ideal so we all have to be ready for the chance it may happen and then we can make a difference.
@phyllis91 ur right he is butt hurt about u being a badass woman that would be able to kick his ass and out shoot him without question haha i was guessing u were from texas lol
@Mattjb83 Let me try again. It's not that hard. No one is talking about taking your guns. We are talking about common sense regulations and laws that currently don't exist. No civilian needs to have military grade weapons. They are designed for only one purpose. Congress also just allowed mentally ill people (just like the guy in Vegas) an EASIER path to get guns. Sorry... that's fucking stupid! We put people through more training driving a fucking car than owning a wide range of firearms...
My buddy owns a sweet AK47 and someday i would love to get me something along those lines but better. We have gone shooting several times before and yes u are saying he shouldn't be able to own that, correct? So yeah u are trying to take away guns from people
@Mattjb83 Does he have a criminal record or a history of mental illness? Gun shows and private sales are perfectly legal without checking any of those things. I think that's stupid.
No he doesn't. He worked at a Dunham's Sporting goods and bought it before they changed the laws a while ago about not being able to buy them. My 86 year old grandpa who was in the army and has a purple heart and several other medals still sleeps with a pistol under his pillow and owns a lot of guns that are military grade guns, will he ever use them? most likely no. does he feel safer? Hell yeah he does!
@yulbsari Why do I upset your whiney ass so much? If you could read it was another who talked about the military budget and I was responding to what they said. What have you ever done? Have you ever served in the military? Have you ever fired a gun much less be shot at or shoot back at someone? I dont give a damn what you think of me. You are just a whiner who can only attack people who dont agree with you. Go see if your momma has a meatloaf ready for you. She probably wishes you would move out of her basement and stop using her computer. Bye cupcake.
Yes, I do respond strongly to dishonesty and stupidity. You continue to evade my question regarding your alleged "deadly force" incident. I know you don't like people calling you on your bullshit. You're no different from all of the idiots who derive all of their courage and guile from a gun and bullets. Without those things, you have no courage, character or fortitude. Maybe you and five of your other redneck friends can make a full set of teeth... or reach the IQ of a turnip. The only whining will be coming from you and your friends when someone actually shoots back at you... Playing "army" won't save you then...
Where do you get your figures?
If you care so much go and help them? UK and USA HELPED them a lot and what do they do? they come and bomb USA and UK so n0 frankly I couldn't give to shit about syria
Because people in our day and age are heartless unfortunately. Hopefully things get better
Dear Imbecile, may I ask what does this domestic event of people being murdered in Las Vegas, Nevada have anything to do with anything that has happened in the Country of Syria? I can not wait to hear this...
Ya but muslims have been killing muslims for years. Sunni and shia have against each other for some time nowAnd 3000 dead is not probably not news worthy, sadly, because middle east has probably seen worseFor usa this pushes the limits so of course its all over the news
BigRayFromNC let me explain you heartless bastard. A life is precious regardless of what race, religion, or sexual orientation. Any loss of life should be an issue and it's a shame you can't see that
@rad23 one individual doesn't represent the majority so stop being a racist bitch.
Situation is different. Then there is the fact it happened in a place of great importance in the USA. Don't be so naive, obviously there will be more emphasis on a mass shooting like this. It's big news, deaths in Syria isn't. Then again, there are too many conflicts to mention them all.
@tartaarsaus Many of these shooting are really false flag. I'm going to assume this shooting is fake. It's to instill fear in people.
People do care but it's time for the West to stop "helping" as we only make it worse and prolong the suffering. Only the Syrians can end it.
@burpzzzzz fake? How did you cone to that conclusion lol
We don't? That's news to me
It's very typically for people to care about people who geographically lives closer to them or have similar culture as them. :/
@TripleAce Because the media is known to lie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4922rWCZ890 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH-oeWoEJIkI am not saying the recent shooting is fake it probably is.
@burpzzzzz yea but it doesn't mean the event is fakeIt just means the news reporters might ask people to play a role to show the people a version of what it might of could of looked like. In case they didn't get any good footageYa a little shady but thats not the same as the event being completely false. That's just no possible. People have their own personal videos of images
@TripleAce Yes it is. the jews control the media.
@burpzzzzz the media doesn't make anything fakeYou can go to vegas now and enter the hopitals n see the injured folls from the real eventBut ya i do agree they might be like 'hey guys can you just walk across here holding your buddy so we can get a shot of you guys for the news, is that ok. Sign consent forms after'Kinda thing
Wow how people love to attack I just wanted to mention about Syria because there's no news about it and the mainstream media decides to brush what is happening under the rug, I did not in any way mention that what happened in Vegas is not tragic bc it is and I do feel greatly for ones who've lost their lives in the attack. I just wanted to mention how just last week there was an attack in Idlib Syria ans it is still happening now, many were children! What did they do to deserve this? And no one seems to be aware. And to the one who mentioned I should go help them, I'm a 17 year old girl and I am helping by raising awareness, and I'm doing what i can about it. Seriously do you think the little children dying in Syria come and bomb the us and uk very smart honestly to not give a shit about them, that's why the humanity has come to. And bigrayfromnc don't call me an imbecile as I have not called any of you names.
Do you all think it's okay that death in Syria hasn't become news, they are still people dying why are their lives deemed less worthy? Do you think Syrians were always like this. Just a few years ago they lived normal lives just like me and you. It's just tragic how we lost our compassion for others and what just bc they're muslims or arabs? And I am not Syrian to have my opinion be called biased
@elianarostova a couple years ago it was the same cesspit it's now. The civil war started 6 years ago.The thing with news is that they report new stuff that catches attention, since it's often commercial. It's logical more attention is going to a thing like this mass shooting.And no, it's not because they are Muslims or Arabs. Nobody cares about the vast amount of deaths in Burundi or countless other places. Also, humanity is going pretty strong.
It's just sad and I feel about it a lot since I've got some Syrian friends and I hear their stories and it's just tragic
You're right. People care about their own first. If my dog dies I care a lot. If my friends dog dies I care a lot. If a neighbor dog dies I still care. Some dog across the ocean in Syria I just don't care about the same. Truth is that you don't care either. You just like to poke your nose up and shame people in this way. *slow clap* you're such a good person.
@awesometjgreen iaint racist I'm stating the obvious everyone has helped them a lot yet the way they repay people to do terrorist attacks in the countries that helped them because apparently helping them fight Isis is wrong in their eyes. They are worst of the kind and you can call me a bitch and all sorts I don't give a fuck... 👍
Okay I'm done responding some people's heads are just too stubborn. Good day
@rjroy3 How do you know what she cares about? If she has Syrian friends, she probably does care. I worry for the people in Puerto Rico, and don't know anybody there. @rad23 I dont think anybody in their right mind disagrees with your outrage of the terror attacks, but can you honestly fault the entire country as a whole. Are you one that opposes and faults every single police officer across the country because of what the bad ones have done. My nephew has spent years fighting over in the middle east. He has spoke of numerous times that he and his division have been treated like kings by those who are barely making a living. So I think its safe to say that there are some that appreciate and respect what we do for them. I would hope that if he is willing to risk all because he thinks its worth it, that maybe you can at least hope its worth it too... Please?
@huckleberryhound I'm saying she doesn't care, because it requires her having a friend there to give it any honorable mention at all. Egypt has some serious trouble going on there, but not a peep out of her on that. Yet she feels vindicated to tell others shame on them for not paying lip service to Syria, when they're showing care for a in house situation going on right now. My point is that people do care, but they care about what's close to home more so and there's nothing wrong with that. They don't deserve to have so girl come in on a highhorse telling them they need to show "enough" care according to her standards on a given issue. When shit goes down in Syria there are tons of people who care, but because not "enough" people show "enough" care for her she's going to come in and shame them. When they're just showing care for a situation close to home going on right now.
@huckleberryhound If you were at the bedside of a family member diagnosed with cancer. I wouldn't walk in and tell you that you should be concerned with something else going on with people you have no relation to whatsoever. While you may care of them aswell there are more pressing issues and I have no right to come in and tell you any different. That's basically what she's doing. Someone who does that doesn't really care. They care about their righteous view vs actually caring about the group they claim to be concerned with. A level of ego is involved
You're very cute claiming to know all these things about me oh wow how smart of you. I'm not even gonna dignify that with a righteous response.
Thanks for calling me cute and that's fine. You don't have to respond.I'm just saying in the wake of the largest mass shooting in the U. S. maybe this time is better spent showing care for the people we have hurt here than using that time to tell other people they SHOULD be caring about what's going on in Syria instead. That's disrespectful and yes comes across as you being on a highhorse.
I knew it was senseless to try and post anything, but I fell better trying. Hopes not lost yet so long as people still try. I'll stop there, because the rest would just fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes in this case.
Okay I didn't not in any way say what happened is okay and this place has people from all over the world not just from Vegas or the us so not just people who care for "what's close to home" which is Vegas now. I didn't intend for my comment to be towards people from there it's just how both places were attacked and I'm not saying Vegas shouldn't have news coverage people should realize what a horrible attack it has been and empathize with those who've lost loved ones it. I'm just mentioning that the attack in Syria has also killed many and we should acknowledge both. Its just that right away social media was quick to blow up about Vegas and I'm not saying that they shouldn't have. But why hasn't it been the same 2 days ago with the Syrian attack that's all. Do not make up assumptions about me
@rad23 obviously you care if you responded and again like a said earlier. One person's or a group of peoples actions do not define everyone. Just like one stupid trump supporter doesn't define all republicans
And I can understand that. But this Vegas shooting happened just last night. Not even 24 hours ago. It is THE event that will be most prevalent on the minds of many people. This post is specifically about that event as well. Then on that post you decided to tell people what they should care about instead, or shaming them for not showing enough care for at the same time. Can you understand how that comes across under the circumstances?
I realize it might not have been such great place and timing but I did not mean to attack anyone And it wasn't directed towards anyone, no specifying. and it's just that the Syrian attack was 2 days ago so not very in the past as well. I did not in anyway say people shouldn't feel sorry or show caring for the Vegas shooting. I do apologize if it came out that way and perhaps the wording wasn't the best. And I was just trying to raise awareness on another matter as well since I haven't seen much on it and I do believe both matters are equally grave and deserve our attention so can people stip assuming and inferring shit!
@elianarostova don't listen to these bastards you gave a good point and I understand what you were saying
Thank you i appreciate that really
Is this not an opinion based thing after all, what 158 remarks, I dont see that many getting hung up on this one. So obviously most were able to read it for it was, an opinion, and move on. Its not a forced opinion, you read it, if you disagree you move on, click the down vote if you like, but the constant feuding goes nowhere, I'd think people would learn that
@rad23 '' UK and USA HELPED them a lot ''the u. s. does not help syria by helping isis advance on the northern borders of the country with 75th regiment rangers. Assad himself states that the united states is NOT helping the issue in fact, they are making the issue worse by backing well known terrorist funders such as turkey and saudis which is why isis continues to grow. this is literally the same situation that happened in iraq, lybia, afghan etc. Everywhere the west goes trouble seems to follow and I dont believe in chance.
*nods* It did come across that way specifically. It's not inferred if the words you chose paint that picture. Which it did. I have several friends in Vegas myself. I can only imagine how people with family there would feel hearing from someone JUST after a shooting that affected them personally that we should take this time to care about what happened in Syria several days ago, rather than respecting those hurting in Vegas right now.
@FreedomByChoice ISIS is getting annihilated, they are not growing. Also, it is a fairly well known fact that the Iraqi army was on the brink of falling and was a bunch of incompetent fools until the western allies arrived when the whole Sinjar debacle happened. It's absolute bullshit that the US and others haven't helped in the current situation. Also, do you seriously take Assad seriously? The chap will denounce everything the USA does (for good reason though) even if it means ignoring the facts.Then again, you didn't even understand most of what the USA does is with planes. A ranger regiment is of course insignificant to that.
@tartaarsaus ''ISIS is getting annihilated, they are not growing.'' so I guess you know more on the situation opposed to assad himself which pleads the americas to stay out of their problems? Isis sure is getting stronger, hence the hundred million dollar gun deal signed with saudis or backing turkey which has smaller militias that are by definition, terrorists. All isis is are paid mercenaries. They are not some unstoppable force BUT as long as they receive funds from syrias enemy countries which all want a piece of that pipeline that can last them 400 years there will still be an isis. you want to tell me isis is getting destroyed? tell that to the kurds who are protecting their borders for the aftermath of the west overthrowing their government and giving arise to isis. Iraq may not have been the best in strength, but they sure did keep the country in check in terms of security matters. The methods were not perfect, but 10000x better than what the americas did to them in the end.
@tartaarsaus ''. It's absolute bullshit that the US and others haven't helped in the current situation''you are hilarious if you think that warring and removing an entire government somehow helps anyone if anything, saying it does the opposite is a understatement. once saddam was hanged, the entire country was up for grabs, hence why isis is so strong in iraq. the same can be said for lybia, ghaddaffi was not perfect, but sure was better than the isis state that it is now. I may not trust assad 100% of the way, but I actually do know people there. I find it funny though how you, somehow try and lecture me on how the west is doing such a good job overseas. We know the real motives, and your narrative is not the truth. ''Then again, you didn't even understand most of what the USA does is with planes. A ranger regiment is of course insignificant to that. '' actually, if you knew anything about the situation you would know 75th regiment troops were deployed in syria, you know,
@FreedomByChoice So to hate voluntarily ignorant? It's a proven fact ISIS has and still is continuously losing ground. So yes, they are getting destroyed, it's just a matter of time.Also, no Iraq did not keep their country in check in terms of security. They were pushed back all the way to Baghdad with ISIS (almost) capturing Fallujah, Baghdad and places like that. Iraq also managed to lose some of their biggest cities for years. Sure, they kept their security in check (sarcasm). The Iraqis were completely and utterly useless, no wonder they fled from Mosul and other places all the way to Baghdad.
ON FOOT? do the research before you type
@FreedomByChoice The USA bombs in Syria. What's your point?I didn't say whether the USA is doing a good job of it historically, that's just something you think I said. What I specifically said is that the USA is absolutely helping with the current situation which is beating ISIS.
@TripleAce Either you're so brain washed you can't even use common sense or just trolling.
Russia defeated ISIS in Syria. I was very happy about that. I am pissed at the American government who funded money and weapons to ISIS.
@tartaarsaus ''So to hate voluntarily ignorant?''what exactly is this addressing? '' It's a proven fact''in the west its a proven fact however, in those regions they recognize what monsters the government really is. Is russia any better? no, they just cover ground in syria because 40$ of their recourse comes from their oil and they dont want you getting to close to the borders. ''They were pushed back all the way to Baghdad with ISIS'' June 2014 and in 2013 is when isis had their most note worthy attacks on iraq. This is the timeline of the events you speak of. I am not sure if you realized this, but saddam died in 2006. I clearly mentioned saddam in my previous reply. the ''iraqi'' government following after him was just a shell of its former power. You want to know how long the u. s. has been meddling and trying to crush iraq? look it up. Just to let you get a jest of how old it was, my dad who is now in his late 40s, fought in the persian golf war which was one of three..
@tartaarsaus ''The USA bombs in Syria. What's your point?''no, what is YOUR point. you are the one who replied to my comment saying that isis is somehow being destroyed with the wests help. The people who have been proven to be effective against isis are the russians and the rebel kurds. Not the turks, or the rest of the west. the west has done nothing but destabilize without improvement. Histrionically? the west repeats history. you are acting as if they have learned from their mistakes. Where do you get off by giving false facts?I didn't say whether the USA is doing a good job of it historically, that's just something you think I said. What I specifically said is that the USA is absolutely helping with the current situation which is beating ISIS.
I meant the russians and the syrian army. The kurds have not been helping
Hope those of you so distraught over the OP's opinion are just as upset with the politicians, and wannabes who are more concerned with attacking the NRA, instead of what happened and the victims that are suffering.
@huckleberryhound good point :)
I don't think they can label it as terrorism if a motive is unknown. Terrorism, by definition, has a political or religious aim. We aren't sure yet what his aim was. That said, I do agree that his actions caused a great deal of terror and one would logically surmise thst he must have had a reason for wanting to cause terror.
@Sara413 yet the media has no issue labelling Muslim attackers as terrorists before the motive is known...