How does it glamorise sexual assault? In what way? By having a discussion?
@Blonde401 It glamorizes sexual assault, because you're asking people to relive it. I know that for me, sharing every little detail about my assault is traumatizing and detromentive. While I was going to treatment for my trauma, the rule always was "no war stories" which means not going into extreme detail about things that have happened to us. At first I thought that was dumb, but over time I saw why the rule existed. If you think about when you tell someone that something major has happened, isn't it overwhelming when he or she comes at you with a million questions or a bunch of meaningless "support words" (I'm here for you, you can always talk to me, it'll be ok, everything will work out)? That's exactly why I disagree with focusing on the details of a person's assualt, it doesn't do anything but hurt them. I totally support having a discussion, but it needs to focus on the next steps after the trauma, not on everything that happened.
Not everyone relives it. And you should acknowledge things that happened. If you ignore the past you can't help your future. Nobody asked you to share the details of your assault? What an absurd way to view it. And yes, I've been assaulted myself.
So you're saying that you have no trauma or bad memories about your assualt? I'm not saying that everyone should break down into tears and really believe that its happening again when they share their story, but it shouldn't be a comfortable thing to do or something that someone is happy to discuss. If someone is completely comfortable and happy spilling every detail of his or her assualt, then I question the authenticity of the assualt. I know that will probably get some backlash as well, but that's my honest opinion. By not sharing details or information about the assualt, does not mean you don't acknowledge it, you always know those details in your head. Making every problem you have public on social media, does not mean you acknowledge it more than any other survivor. It's not an "absurd view", it's realistic. I'm not ashamed of being a survivor of sexual assualt, but I will never give my attackers infamy for what they have done to me.
Where did I say that? Quote me where I said that because I didn't. I asked how discussing assault, glamorises it. You've still not answered. It's not glamorous to relive it. I don't think you understand what the word glamorise means... and on top of that you're not being asked to relive it or tell anyone your story. Some people are merely using the #metoo hashtag. Nothing more.
To glamorize means to make something seem glamourous or desirable, especially spuriously so (straight from the dictionary). Spuriously means wrongfully, if you didn't know. So what I'm saying is that by using the hashtag #metoo you are indirectly saying that being a victim/survivor is something desirable because it entices attention and sympathy. I disagree with bringing attention to my sexual assualt on social media because I don't think it's something to share with people who don't really know me, it does absolutely nothing, except make it seem that I am looking for attention or sympathy because I know that random strangers will have nothing valuable to add for my specific situation. Even if someone merely uses the hashtag, you are still implying the same thing because there is a meaning behind that campaign, and the meaning is the same as what I've described above. Read the article and maybe you'd see what I mean.
You're absolutely ridiculous if you think a hashtag makes people want to be the victim of rape or sexual assault. You're absolutely mind boggling, if you legitimately think this is the case. I've read the article. Don't patronise me, you're literally looking for any flaw you can and to twist it into whatever suits you. Nobody envys you, or me. Why would they? What a farce.
Ooh ad hominem's because you can't form an argument without resorting to insults 🙄 People like me. Who are people like me? Not people who hide behind a computer screen and insult people who have a different opinion than them. Nobody envies you. Nobody thinks your sexual assault was glamorous. Not talking about it yourself is fine but don't silence other women. You're part of the problem, not the solution.
I'd insult you to your face if I could 😂 Once again, you didn't even bother to read what I was ACTUALLY saying, not just spewing nonsense of what you think I said. I by no means said other women should be silenced, hell I didn't even say that I wanted to be silent! The only thing I am speaking to is that we shouldn't be talking about what happened in order to receive sympathy, we should be talking about what happened (not in gory details) and proposing solutions, none of which I have heard from you.
But once again you'd ruin your own argument. "If they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left".This isn't about receiving sympathy! Where has it been shown to be about that? And you're the one who should be proposing things. You made a claim in your original comment, there is no obligation by me, to prove that a claim is wrong, the claimant needs to prove that the claim right because they are the one making claims. You need to propose things. All you've done is nay say.
Very well said!
I agree with you and disagree. I think learning to protect yourself is an awesome idea, but I also think sharing that it happens and bringing awareness to the public helps as well. If a little human never hears a story about this happening, why would they ever learn to protect themselves? If other women and men in your life don't realize how often this can happen, what would their motivation be to make it stop, or help prevent it if they see it, or get help if it happens to them?
Fair point. But the campaigns of self defence can involve sharing stories and experiences, where they teach them what they learned from their experience.
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I have to disagree. It's about raising awareness. Scientific papers won't do anything unless people are actually reading them. Guess what... they don't do that lol. Science is great, I love it with all my heart. But it only has so much power. I don't see how raising awareness for a problem is meaningless. We raise awareness for things ALL THE TIME. I mean businesses "raise awareness" for their products through advertising. Awareness, education, it's hella important.
@Arbalest ohh c'mon. Raise awareness for what? the secret that everyone in north America knows about except Harvey weinsteins political donation recipients. Its ridiculous really. If it makes them feel better then ehhh whatever. These people have known about it for decades and now they're gonna fix it with a tweet storm. It's shallow and meaningless.
If you ask a lot of guys on here, sexual assault isn't a problem. Women don't have problems to them. Just look at the upvotes your comment got. These guys love to downplay any negative things coming womens way. It's all about society. You may not believe it but people may "know" things, then there is understanding things from a real perspective. This twitter shit gives a lot of perspective when you see the amount of women re tweeting or w/e it is. People get to see first hand how many women suffer abuse. That's not worthless and it boggles me how you could believe so. The men? Yea that's not surprising that they don't believe it. Admitting it's true means admitting feminism might have some points and we can't have that! lol. A woman who agrees with them is like a true goddess lol.
@izum i agree with you
@Izumblu yeah, I agree. When I was shown some data about online harassment, far more females have said they'd already stalked a male online, than males said they'd have been stalked by a female online. I mean, I either "stalk" people who don't even know by seeing their accounts recommended as friends on facebook, OR this "stalking" question rather sounded like "do you have facebook", you know, like a trend question. I don't consider viewing people's profiles, whilst you can't even see who actually viewed your profile (like you wouldn't observe who passes by your house) as a legal form of "stalking".
@Izumiblu well, how about fixing the fucking bunch of questions on here, regarding females demanding far too much sex from males? Don't you think this is just as wrong, if males end up divorced because they "sadly didn't make up for their sexual hunger"? Do you see how disgusting this is?
I didn't know the name of the man that assaulted me. Not did he speak English.I don't remember that night due to being unconscious however, I know what happened to me thanks to a friend finding me.Pressing legal action was difficult for me because my story sounds fabricated.
Yes, I agree with Sadie. Often times reporting it is more difficult than it seems. My assault happened when I was 13 and I just wanted the whole thing to go away. I never said anything about it and really do not want to say anything about it now, because so much time has past and there is no evidence.
Yes I agree with this! However, men are sharing the hashtag too. It has helped raise awareness for how widespread assaults are.
Those looks aren't rape, they are sexual assault. Rape is only one out of many forms of sexual assault
@VladDracula everydayfeminism.com/.../Not my rules... Haven't you heard? Only women can determine what is and is not rape. Try to keep up!
Never heard of this before. All that I have heard of is that people who haven't faced such things can't determine what is and what isn't assault. Women aren't the only ones who experience such things, although they are more likely to, unfortunately
Rape is defined as a penis or other object being forced into a unconsenting body hole.
@chloehatespeople forced or coercive penetration is also rape (as in, a male is forced to penetrate someone else).
You couldn't have broken up with him? you couldn't have pushed his hand away? Sorry but this on you. He turned you on and you both had sex with each other.
Did you ever say no when his hands were down your pants?
@Zendrya Yes. He was mentally and emotionally abusive.
@marcix670 I understand why you feel that way. I respect that. When you're being mentally abused though, you don't always think straight :/
very sorry to hear that :(
The campaign is about realizing just how normalized sexual assault/harassment is, and seeing just how many people it has affected. Even I was surprised over the amount of girls I know who shared the post. Not because I didn't think none of them have ever been harassed (I think it would be quite hard to find a girl who has never experienced it in any shape, way or form) but because sometimes you sort of forget how widespread it is in general.A male acquaintance actually messaged me and asked "what, you too, really?". I mean, so many people don't seem to understand just how often it happens and how many are affected. I just had to reply "yeah really, it happens all the time".
@lumos Okay. But again. What is the "campaign?" It seems like these days all anyone wants to do is "thoughts and prayers" or "raise awareness," neither of which actually DO anything. What needs to be done? What is the goal? So people are sharing their experiences... okay. You know where that's better to do and will actually have emotional impact on the people around you? Face to face, personal connection in actual conversation, not online. I think, though well-intentioned, a hashtag isn't going to actually do anything.
The campaign is about raising awareness, and campaigns like these ARE doing something. You might not notice physical changes because these are *mindsets* and *norms* we're talking about. Women, and men if they choose to, get the chance to open up about their experiences. Some people have walked around and kept these things to themselves, which has been sort of like a weight on their shoulders. Coming forward and telling people your story can therefore be very relieving. People who are ignorant might understand the magnitude of the issue when their friends, family members, acquaintances and co-workers are all stepping forward together to talk about their experiences. And already I've had so many face to face conversations about this with my family and friends. Using the internet as a tool for this campaign is merely giving it the boost it needs. Not to mention that for many people, it's hard to open up about their traumatic experience, so they'd rather write it down instead of vocalizin
It helps show how widespread assaults/rapes are.
@lumos I agree-- "talk." Posting online isn't talking. Maybe about 1% of the people posting about it will actually talk in private personal conversations and have a genuine human experience here. People simply *don't do that* with stuff they post online; they simple like all the "likes." Again, it isn't truly *accomplishing* anything if that is all we do. Getting people talking is great, don't get me wrong, but this isn't a new issue is what surprises me by it. I also think there's a dangerous correlation being made here between sexual *assault* and sexual *harassment*... they are both wrong, but they are NOT the same. Harassment can have a very broad definition, and anyone who has experienced both of them would be able to tell anyone else-- "Hey... these potential crimes are not equals, simply because they are both sexually-oriented and both wrong."
Then what the heck are we doing right now then if not talking/communicating? Lol don't underestimate the power of using the internet as a tool. Hadn't the #metoo campaign used social media to spread it wouldn't have even gotten close to as much coverage as it has now. And it's not just about talking, it's about planting a seed of thought in people's minds. We don't always need to talk to people face to face to get our point across. Even something as simple as people reading posts and comments can be enough for them to change their mind or to get a new perspective on things.I hope you never work in marketing, because you clearly don't understand how any of this works.
That's the shocking thing about the hashtag, that so many people have been assaulted. If there are people lying about it then that is just flat out disgusting, but overall I believe the numbers. Many of my closest friends have confided that they have been assaulted. I would say that MOST of my friends have been verbally harassed (wildly inappropriate things were said to them, not just innocent "hi's"). So no, the quantity of people coming out does not surprise me.
It seems that literally every single female is a metooer.
@Hwlsop Yes, still not surprised though. It is likely that some of them are made up, but that is not the fault of the #metoo campaign. I suspect that most of them are not made up; though, just based off of personal experience. But at the end of the day, even if they were all made up, the campaign has already done a lot of good just by starting conversations like this one.
sorry, checked some of the other opinions and saw people saying it's for men too. I hadn't heard anything about the campaign before I read this question and just read the beginning of the article that was linked and by the way it was presented it seemed very much like a campaign for womenquoting: So what is the #MeToo hashtag?At the moment, it's trending on Twitter and being shared widely on Facebook.On Facebook, women are being asked to copy and paste this status to highlight how prevalent sexual abuse against *woman* is in society.While there's a few variations, the post reads:"Me too... If all the *women* who have been sexually harassed or assaulted wrote 'Me too' as a status, we might give people a sense of the magnitude of the problem. Please copy/paste."On Twitter, many *women* have used their tweets to detail horrifying accounts of sexual harassment and assaults.
Nobody is stopping you from creating your own campaign that raises awareness about the issue you're facing in your daily life. Women opening up about their experiences is not taking anything away from you.
That's not at all what I said
"I think putting the focus on women just further strengthens sexism by creating the stereotype that it's always women being sexually harassed"You're implying that by women opening up, men are losing the opportunity to speak up and be taken seriously, which is not the case at all.
@lumos why can't men share the #metoo campaign?Why do we have to create our very own campaign segregated from women?What happened to equality for men and women? You sexist pig...
@thinkaloudtolive metoo ended up being a shared campaign, I saw many posts from men opening up about their stories on twitter and facebook. I'm just sick and tired of lazy ass men sitting on their asses complaining whenever women organize something like this for themselves (and this time it even extended to male victims of sexual harassment and abuse). If you guys want campaigns for your issues so badly then you gotta start them. But all I see now is men keeping quiet until women organize something. Then all hell breaks loose because men are too lazy to do something themselves and are expecting women to do this type of shit for them. If y'all cared you wouldn't be whining on here, you'd be creating campaigns and donating money to charities who care about your issues.
@lumos That's stupid logic. So if women want to be involved in politics they should start their own country, instead of being lazy and join countries men started. And if women want to have leadership roles in corporations, they should start their own companies instead of joining companies men have started. That's your logic?
@thinkaloudtolive nope, not my logic at all. You can take your logical fallacies elsewhere though.
@lumos okay I see... so it only applies when it benefits men then. That pretty much sums up feminism.
@thinkaloudtolive uhhh no, it's just that your logic sucks ass and has nothing to do with what I said. Bringing up extreme hypothetical examples that make absolutely no sense whatsoever to try to disprove my argument is quite frankly pathetic.
@lumos it's the exact same argument. Yours: men should stop being lazy by joining causes that women start, and create their own. Mine: women should stop joining corporations that men start, and create their own. A "True" feminist, or champion of equal rights, would agree that all sexes should be able to join any cause, corporation, etc. somehow you can't seem to do that. I'm willing to bet you identify as a feminist?
@thinkaloudtolive no. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that men should stop joining campaigns that women start - metoo worked pretty effectively for both men and women and like I said, I saw plenty of men sharing their stories. That's good. What I'm tired of, though, is men who won't take the initiative to start campaigns of their own (on top of the ones shared with women). Because they would rather complain about things not getting done, instead of actually doing them.Your examples were extreme and unnecessary. There's nothing realistic about creating new countries or creating thousands of new companies just so that women and men could work and function separately. However, it's perfectly realistic to expect that people who are pissed of about something create their own campaigns and protests instead of expecting someone else to get their shit done for them.
Direct quote from @lumos:"I'm just sick and tired of lazy ass men sitting on their asses complaining whenever women organize something like this for themselves (and this time it even extended to male victims of sexual harassment and abuse). If you guys want campaigns for your issues so badly then you gotta start them. But all I see now is men keeping quiet until women organize something. Then all hell breaks loose because men are too lazy to do something themselves and are expecting women to do this type of shit for them. If y'all cared you wouldn't be whining on here, you'd be creating campaigns and donating money to charities who care about your issues."Exactly what words did I put into your mouth?
@thinkaloudtolive I never said men are lazy for joining campaigns such as metoo. I’ve made it perfectly clear several times that that’s a good thing. What I’m tired of is lazy men whining about nobody creating campaigns for them when they themselves are perfectly capable of doing it.
It's clear what you said...And Where are the men complaining about no one creating campaigns for them? Men have created nearly everything in this world, I think we're capable of throwing together a campaign or too. Men are like ants under a magnifying glass being forced to always be inclusive. While women, like you, are free to embrace separation and "womanhood." The double standard is laughable.
If you are saying something wildly inappropriate to girls then that constitutes harassment. If you are just saying something innocent like that she looks beautiful then that is fine. I fear that a lot of girls hear actual complements and consider that harassment.
Yes, I agree with your statement. However, there is room for interpretation. There are some things a man could say to a woman (or vice versa) in a nightclub which would be considered a bold move, but not unacceptable. The same statement made in a school or workplace could be wildly inappropriate. Some people don't understand that the setting makes a difference as to what is appropriate.
I would like to add that there are some things that are never appropriate to say regardless of the setting.
One more thing. (Sorry, I didn't expect this to go on for so long). Even an innocent statement like "you're beautiful" could be considered sexual harassment if the person receiving the compliment has previously told the person giving the compliment that they don't want that kind of attention. Basically, a pattern of unwanted or unwelcome attention could be considered sexual harassment (even if it seems innocent to an outside observer).
Yep I agree. You have to take the location into consideration as well.
After reading through some of the other comments, this one is refreshing!
@Nate1941 I don't know how anyone could sleep at night not responding in a similar way.
I don't know where he is at now... his mom read my private journal about how scared I was of him, and wasn't sure if I wanted to keep dating him, and she told him, and he broke up with me.Then she came to my house (she lived like 2 hours away) and verbally assaulted my mom and me, and told my mom I hated her (which was not true). I told her some issues I had with my mom because I trusted her...I don't know where they are now, and tbh, I don't really care. The only good thing that came out of that relationship was I learned that I never want to be abused again. I don't deserve it.
Well I'm sure as hell glad you made it outta there alive! That's a fucked up situation to be in. No woman, child and yes even men. No one deserves to be abused and that's what the cops are for. Try to have some evidence but first just get the **** out of there.
"Claiming you were a victim of sexual assault really is offensive to the men here at GaG."Sorry, but this shit makes me ashamed of being a man.
Thank you, Vlad. I was really baffled by the comment above
@EmilyRubio You're welcome.
@EmilyRubio Sorry, I didn't mean to be so cryptic. It is just that if you want to hear some men whine and complain, all you have to do is get a woman to talk about the abuse she suffered at the hands of a man. It is like the craziest thing I have ever seen.
Ohhhh I thought you were siding with the misogynists here
@EmilyRubio Well, I was trying to be funny. Hopefully, you watched the vid and got the joke.
Poe's Law. Too many men on here are morons
@EmilyRubio Whiny, complaining morons.:D
This is exactly why more men should speak out. The only way you will get taken seriously is if you speak out. Lots of women are very understanding and sympathetic. You'll get less understanding from men than women.
what’s acutally is sexually harassed.
@Blonde401 I agree. Too many people think it never happens to men, which is why they consider it a non-issue when men finally do open up about their experiences. The only way to actually open these people's eyes is to openly talk about male sexual harassment victims. Only then will they start to understand that it's not a non-issue as they originally thought.
@lumos thank you! Yes. I'm glad you agree. Women started talking about it and people started to listen. Men should do the same. We can only progress if people talk about things.
@Blonde401 exactly, and this goes for the problems that men face in society too. I'm tired of seeing so many men complain about the fact that "nobody pays any attention" to their problems, especially when they're just complaining because a campaign like this has become widespread. Like if you care so much about these issues men face, you could just as easily create your own campaigns and make space for the types of conversations you think are important to bring up. It just makes people seem lazy. Like they only care when it's not about them. Otherwise they won't do anything to actually fix the problem.
@lumos very true. I completely agree. If more men spoke up, more people would listen. The only campaigns I see by men are for things like prostate cancer which took a lot longer to gain traction than things like breast cancer campaigns, simply because women are more likely to feel less shame about discussing things.
This campaign is for everyone, men and women, who have been assaulted. The only reason you hear about women more then men is because men feel less comfortable saying they were assaulted. That is a huge issue for sure, but it is not the fault the campaign. So far the campaign has done a lot of good by revealing how wide spread the issue of rapes and assaults are. I don't understand how people are against this.
I'm reading articles and they seem to only be focusing on women. Regardless, what is the point of this campaign?
To bring light to how rampant sexual assaults are and to start conversations like this. I would say it has succeeded thus far.
There's nothing about the post that says only women are allowed to take part. In fact I think more men should take part, there's a social stigmata about men being a part of it that makes people think they are somehow less masculine if they've been assaulted. This is silly. I think the purpose is at least twofold, one to fight against people joking/ makings pejorative comments about those who have been assaulted (it's harder to say negative things when you know that your family member, loved one, friend, sister, brother, etc has been assaulted) and to raise awareness of the prevalence of assault/ harassment.
But do you really think that will work? Telling people to stop molesting people will not stop them.
Sure it will, at least for a portion. A lot of people don't murder because we tell them not too, but that's besides the point. I didn't even bring that up in either of my explanations. I brought up that it would stop or prohibit the castigation of people who are effected by assault, and allow others to know how prevalent it is, also to provide a reference for the amount of people effected.
i agree with you bro ! well said
I know you didn't bring that up, but I was thinking about the black lives matter movement and it made me think of this. People aren't going to stop being racist because you tell. People won't stop killing people because you tell them not to. If they're willing to break the law in the first place, then I'm pretty damn sure that they couldn't care less about people telling them to stop killing others. The same goes for sexual abuse. We all want to see rape eradicated, but unless you're willing to sacrifice privacy, it will never happen. Here's a great quote from The Dark Knight: "Some people just want to watch the world burn". You can't convince a psychopath not to kill based on an argument of morality.
Only 3% of the population are psychopaths and many people are dissuaded from socially abhorrent actions. I think you're just factually wrong on this case. Social pressure dies enact change and influence behavior
Does, not dies lol. But just food for thought, do you think people today are sooo vastly different than our ancestors and that's why we (by and large) think slavery, racism, sexism, etc is wrong? Or was it a societal change? (Hint the answer is the latter lol)
I would agree with you that the change racism can be attributed to societal changes. But those people who were convinced to stop didn't have personal reasons to hate other races. By personal reasons I mean original thoughts that occured to them about any race. In other words, they were essentially following this racist trend to feel accepted. The real racists, or in this case, all the rapists (because I don't think raping is a fad) wouldn't be bothered by picket signs and chants telling them to stop doing something, because honestly, that's the least of their concerns. Like I said before, if they have intent to break the law and they're aware of the risks, nothing will stop them. Humans will always be humans, and humans want to reproduce. Men have a natural instinct to pursue women and accomplish their sexual needs.By the way, I'm enjoying this conversation/debate/argument.
Oh most certainly "rape" is a social Dad, you do realize that, for example, it used to be impossible for a man to "rape" his wife because that was his marital right? Our views on rape, consent, and justice have changed dramatically over the last 50 years alone. I see no reason to believe that that this trend won't continue
Of course. It's always interesting to hear others views
Really? You actually think that rape is a trend? Actually commiting rape is not a trend. Rape statistics have dropped steadily for years now. Although talking about rape is quite the trend. Feminists have completely obliterated the definition of rape. Some of these women consider ass grabbing as rape, not sexual assault, actual rape. It's disgusting.
The definitions, and the proliferation of rape, sexual assault, harrasment etc is socially defined and can and has been influenced by culture. Just as you mentioned rape rates have been lowering.
But how can you tell me that rape is a fad, yet agree with me that rape has been dropping?
I'm saying it's influenced by sociological factors not that it's on the rise... maybe we're just speaking past each other. To clarify, my position is that rape cases are dropping, and will continue to do so as long as there is a societal push against it. Additionally, minimizing the incidence of rape is not the purpose of the "me too" campaign (at least I don't think) it's about people standing in solidarity and providing help to those who have been assaulted or harassed. It has nothing to do with rapers, assaulters, or harassers. (Again imo)
mattbruenig.com/.../ www.google.ca/.../evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault%3fampwww.google.ca/.../There are many factors at play as to why sexual assault, rape, etc has been dropping. It could be feminism and it could be porn, or a bit of both. I just have a hard time believing that words would stop someone from commiting one of the mentioned acts. All crimes have dropped which is really interesting. It has been theorized that the removal of lead and the decrease in heavy substance abuse is the cause for the drop in crime. I'm sceptical to believe that people going around waving posters and telling others to stop doing something is the smoking gun.
It's a fact that societal influence enacts change... how do you think women got the right to vote? By being silent and remaining subservient? Porn and its acceptance is a societal norm, not all societies allow or have it.
I certainly agree with your first point, but women's rights and rape are completely different. We can't approach these two topics with the same method. I don't know if you read it, but the article stated that countries which allowed porn had fewer rape incidences. The reason lies within the psychological effects of porn.
One right that women had to fight was the right to self autonomy, remember that it was impossible to rape your wife for quite a long time.
Right, but they enacted laws to prevent that. It was most likely because women were getting tired of non consensual sex. I absolutely agree.What do you think the #metoo campaign will do for the rapes commited by random individuals or acquaintances? What would they do to prevent or minimize (rape will never be eradicated) the occurrences?
I see no reason to believe that rape will always be a part of our society, but I already explained it. You have a good one man
@Nate1941 you want me to confess? #MeToo. There you are.
@scooogy You don't have to. It's based on how comfortable you are with sharing and opening up about the experience. Sometimes being brave about your own experiences can embolden other victims. Just look at this whole Harvey Winston case. Because a few women spoke out, other women felt empowered to also speak out.
@Nate1941 this whole campaign just makes me feel comfortable about ever finding a girl attractive now.
So because some woman decide to sleep with those, you don’t take sexual abuse seriously? You’re disgusting
So some women sleep with them to get somewhere. Doesn't make sexual assaults by them any less serious.
@omgjassy What about the dozens of women who didn't say a peep about Weinstein.. or the boss in their industry? Aren't they responsible for the situations!Most of us, women as well as men, tend to ask that question.
No everyone is responsible for their own actions. You’re disgusting
@martyfellow Clearly this women willingly slept with Weinstein so obviously they won't claim sexual assault but not every women did. Just because some women willingly sleep with you doesn't mean you can go around sexually assaulting every women. You really are disgusting.
@omgjassy Bet you are one of those who never said a peep against the abusers in your environment. Oh no, not a peep.And I am the disgusting one?
I am going to have to join theyou are disgusting crowd
my brothers fiancee's dad touched me up when I was 15.I said nothing on the day because it was Christmas day and I knew how my dad and my brothers would react. I didn't want to ruin everyone's day even though the creep had ruined mine. I did tell my brother at a later date before our next big get together.
I dont get where Trump plays into this... should you say... Bill Clinton?
Yo aren't you the dude that ask several nasty questions about sex? Lmao
Its pretty much both of those.
I think it serves two primary purposes. To humanize those who have been harassed/ assaulted (it/'s harder to make jokes about sexual assault when you know your friend, daughter, sister, brother, etc has been assaulted), and to make individuals aware of the prevalence of these cases.
Yeah. That could be another interpretation. All of those are valid.
Did you even opened that link? It is for men too, what a fucking dumbass
It literally says it's for men too. Love how whenever guys like you see anything against sexual assault they assume women are attacking them. Guilty much?
@mayalevyr @thenewgirlll I did open the link and it specifically says the campaign centers around women. Did *you* two open the link? No, it doesn't say it's *for* men too. It just point out that men turned up... just because.There a difference.And the guys that did show up... "Men,Don't say you have a mother, a sister, a daughter...Say you have a father, a brother, a son who can do better.We all can."-Nick Jack Pappas... are still largely shitting on men.No Mr. Nick Jack Pappas, as a matter of fact I can't do better. I literally have never done anything of the sort and don't know anyone who has. What you can do is fuck off good sir, fuck off.I'm not assuming women are attacking me, I'm assuming *people* are *ignoring and neglecting* my sex when that's demonstrably what they're doing in the very thing you pointed me to.
Oh and demonizing. Ignoring/neglecting/demonizing.
Typo. People that you love. Not love you. Error
Honestly not all men are monsters as not all women are monsters. Some men are deviant monsters as are some women
@o0oBATMANo0o Exactly which is why these moronic feminist anti-male campaigns piss me off.
Men don’t speak up. No one is stopping them.
@MzAsh Actually we try and yes feminist do stop us. Men try to talk about issues of boys in schoolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0Group for battered men try to have a talk... feminist shut it downhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYMONLY shelter for male victims of female abuse closes after owner commits suicide from financial ruin and endless push back. www.womenspost.ca/.../NOW (national organization for women) has twice stopped men from getting equal parental rights.
Tell your story here.
Nobody is stopping men from sharing their #metoo experience and opening up.
Yeah there’s only about a thousand avenues on social media or your own blog space to use to tell your story.
MzAsh the problem is that when we do we are riduculed and attacked most of the time mentally but physically as well. I have not delt with sexual abuse but I know some people who are but refuse to talk about it. I have delt with physical abuse but I don't say anything because I am litterally laughed at the few times I have.
@coxnat29 women are also ridiculed and attacked for opening up. People belittle us and tell us we're overreacting, that we should learn how to take a compliment, that we shouldn't have dressed or acted a certain way if we didn't want men to grab us without our consent etc etc etc. It's not easy for anyone, which is why speaking up is so important. You don't get rid of mindsets like that by just sitting back and not keeping your mouth shut.
Minus the "not" before keeping your mouth shut.
@lumos The difference is that women at least have the outlets available to get help if they need them. There are endless women-only shelters, support groups, funding, police assistance, etc.So even if people around you say "you're overreacting" (especially if you consider "Hi miss" sexual assault like a lot of feminists do), you still have the ability to get help. We not only deal with the negative attacks of speaking out. We also have little to no ability to get help. When we try we are not believed or we are told to suck it up.When I was sexually assaulted by a female the police told me they wouldn't waste taxpayers dollars on something so foolish.When I tried to find a helpline or counseling, there was nothing for men and the few "counseling" options required me to pay unlike with women where it is paid for by the government.
Men and women both used #metoo
@coxnat29 I am reading a ton of people attacking women for being “attention whores” who post under #metoo. If you tell your story, you’ll be getting nothing worse in response than what women are getting.
Some men are offended because we don't focus on them. I can not believe his guy honestly said a hashtag about spreading awareness for sexual assault is a "false victim propaganda". I am sorry about what happened to you, and I am sorry about the way those people treated you, but that doesn't mean you have to belittle the other women it happens to and get angry at them for these people's lack of respect.
Opinion owner, I used to volunteer for a domestic crisis center and some will house men and some mostly house women but the problem is that men aren’t speaking up. The code of masculinity says that men shouldn’t be failing to “handle” women. It’s nonsense but it can only get better if men learn to speak up despite being viewed as emasculated.
@MzAsh As I already stated, men try to speak up and are generally silenced. I have been there.There is no "code of masculinity" that is just another feminist created idea like "Patriarcy" and "microaggression"When every campaign, media ad, and social program tells men that we are all rapist and monsters, that we are disposable and expected to protect women, but that women are also weak and fragile and are never the problem, and when men who do speak out get attacked and ridiculed by groups like feminism... it isn't a "code of masculinity" that tells us we can't speak out... it's society.
Then why do I see so many men ridiculing other men for being raped or abused? Men are calling each other pussies, mangina, beta, cuck, etc. I see these primarily being perpetrated with men obsessed with their own perceived masculinity. Feminists created a movie called A Mask You Live In. Great film but it was bashed by men for supposedly trying to make men into pussies.
This guy out there saying terms like "patriarchy" is made up... damn... I just...¿
@MzAsh There will always be the homophobic "macho" douchebags, men don't generally care about what other guys think the way that women care what other women think.Those meatheads are a product of their own insecurities and it isn't until they become victims of something that they realize how hard it is.I had men talk a big game about guys who get abused by women, and then seen some of those same men come to me asking how they can get help from an abusive female who has used societies bias to destroy them and take their kids. I volunteer my time to help any brother who needs advice and help because I know how it is to have no one. I even drove a guy who was stranded by his abusive female to another city an hour and a half away simply because I saw him sitting at a gas station looking broken.He was thankful that someone cared. The cops didn't. The reason males make up the majority of suicides is that there is no help for us when we need it.
I am sorry that society is against male victims, but that is not the fault of this campaign. #Metoo IS for men too.
that's awful and inappropriate. sorry you were grabbed in such a way.
That counts. It's sexual assault
totally agree 👆
"Me too" isn't exclusively for women, after all
No way. Men can't be raped; it's impossible! #AllMenArePigs
@agent another retard. This campaign it's for MEN too! Learn to read.
@thenewgirlll I never said anything about the movement.
That sounds awful. We need to make it easier for men to talk about these kinds of experiences too. It doesn't only happen to women. It's a part of our everyday existence in a way that it is not for men, but that almost makes it even harder for guys to come forward.
I hope YOU get raped my a male in the ass @agent
No one deserves to be raped.
@Giirrrll Quite an imagination you've got there.
Yeah, I went with suppose because a thing happened to me once that I think now was probably harassment or assault but I didn't bother going to the police or whatever because then I just discounted it as just that guy being an absolute dick. So yeah, suppose. Meh.
yeah this is why I mostly think that it doesn't really depend on what others say is sexual harassment, because if those who could be harassed don't take it as harassment, then who cares? I had the same thing with some data which I've once been shown in college. It said that far more women considered themselves having stalked a man online, than men considered themselves having been stalked. It's rather like "oh, let's check his profile" i mean, what's stalking about that? It rather seems like they like to consider it stalking in order to get rid of the associations with the real deed of stalking. Like little kids play "war" without even considering what war really is.
I mean, I don't now rate it as 'probably assault/harassment' now because of silly campaigns to classify saying hello on the tube as sexual harassment or anything. I just think with distance I realised waking up after a house party with a guy's hands down my pants who I'd never had any kind of conversation with let alone shown any interest in was more than just that guy being a wanker and probably a genuine crime.I can definitely get what you mean though, all the trying to change all the definitions of words that happens online to make innocuous things seem malicious or vice versa makes me uncomfortable with ever joining in conversation.
This is why I regret not having spoken up whenever I have been sexually harassed by females.
Sometimes it's hard to speak up. Victims sometimes erroneously feel guilty about being victims.I suppose it's extra difficult being male, because you know there's a large part of the Internet that will mock and deny your anecdotes because they think women are incapable of being just as unpleasant as men can be. Sorry you had to go through something unpleasant, man.
I think the greater problem for a male is that people wouldn't believe that a female was ever capable of sexually harassing a male.
It truly is.Everyone wants women to be seen as completely equal to men, yet nobody is rushing out demanding we acknowledge women are just as capable of perpetrating sex-based crimes as men. Instead of getting the same sympathy as a woman, largely everyone just laughs male victims away.
yeah, this gender equality rather seems costumized. Like, not fully equal, but rather "I'd like this and that for both genders to be equal. But imagine women were to do the hard jobs like construction worker or miner, and you see what I mean.
Well if you want to be a piece of shit about it...
It is for men too, retard.
This is for men too. It's for anyone who has been assaulted.
Yet nobody wants to see a trash, but here you are...
@thenewgirlll If you wanted a circle jerk of people who all agree with each other than this site is not for you.
Also it's obvious this hashtag is primary geared towards and used by women.
It's for women and men who have experienced sexual harassment and assault. How can you even say you're against this. And wow, big man you are. Calling guys who've been raped faggots. Real big of you.
"This is for men too" is a load of horseshit, what men want do not match up with what women want. And men want to not feel like like a criminal, because everytime this shit starts nothing changes except good men are villified more.
@ayylamo great argument. @phaggot it's not against men, it's against rapists. If you're insulted by this then you must be a rapist, that's the only way I can see why you would be.
@mayalevyr Well put, but he can only be a troll so no matter how well you put it he won't listen. :/
True :( @Nate1941
Only %2-8 of rape accusations are false. A lot less than you think.
I was not allowed to reply. I support the #mefalsetoo. campagn and banned for postingva question on this site.WOMEN WILL NOT GET EQUALITY UNTIL THEY ACCEPT REALITY.Like 5% of rape is done as women on women. For every false rape At least ten genuine rapes get away. G&G witheld rest of answer
Guys feel exactly the same if he stands near a pretty girl in a train or a crowd he is stared at by all around and were all conscious of avoiding standing or sitting near a female as we don't want to be judged I feel sorry for victims but it affects everybody
A simple whistle at you is sexual harassment. A person making unwanted advancements towards you that makes you uncomfortable is sexual harassment a simple touch that makes you feel uneasy is sexual harassment.
@o0oBATMANo0o But like if you say no thanks or move away and they don't continue is it still harassment?
If it made you uncomfortable at any point yes.
@o0oBATMANo0o well me too I guess
The point is whether you are a man or a woman you should never be put in an uncomfortable position when it comes to a sexual nature. I am sorry that you have been but there are just deviant people everywhere you go.
Of course not saying it is an excuse for their behavior. But at some point in every persons life I guarantee they can say #metoo myself included
@o0oBATMANo0o agreed but I think the campaign is good (as long as men are included as well in it as not just women go through it) because people don't always realize how prominent it is.
The sad thing is this campaign is focused to show men as animals. It's very one sided. Because most men won't speak out about their encounters
@o0oBATMANo0o which is honestly a shame.
I agree whole heartedly but it is the world we live pinning sex against sex and race against race. Instead of embracing each other as one and respecting each other the same.
In the United States, any time you are hired for a new job you typically have to do some sort of (tedious) training (watch a video or attend a class) that explains what constitutes sexual harassment in the workplace. Unfortunately, there is little education to let people know what DOES NOT constitute sexual harassment.
Actually, the campaign does not say that.
@VladDracula Never said it does. But all they do is shame men.
Nope. They raise awareness to sexual assault, regardless of what gender the assaulter ha
@VladDracula Just go to twitter and see how they are saying men are responsible etc. No one cares about male victims.
If you were abused, I saw a hashtag #metoomen so feel free to use it. But women opening up about our own experiences does not negate yours
@metalsucks2 That's awful, honestly
Well, props for being a decent human I guess?
@Nate1941 ikr, don’t need any hashtags or slogans. And... somehow I don’t think people stop to check their moral compass before feeling up another person.
Totally agree with you."If all the women who have been sexually harassed or assaulted wrote 'Me too' as a status, we might give people a sense of the magnitude of the problem" I don't know why they can't say if everyone rather then saying if all the women it's the same as violence against men so often people will just watch a man getting abused by a woman but will not step in until he starts to defend himself.
Ha ha. Down voted by people that are either sexist against men, or are foolish and gullible enough to convict someone with no evidence.Weinstein is guilty in my opinion since I already heard an audio recording of him admitting to some of what he did and trying to coerce a woman.
Did you know only %2-8 rape accusations are false? It's great to see people defending rapists instead of defending rape victims (many of whom are men too btwy)
@mayalevyr I have had false sex related accusations against me 3 times by a total of 7 people. My dad had a false accusation against him (my mother was actually on the other side of a nearby window and heard the girl saying how she was going to accuse him because she was mad that he wouldn't do anything with her.Women constantly lie. People make false accusations all the time.
As a man, you can ABSOLUTELY speak you. It's encouraged. Men do get sexually assaulted, there's not question about that. However, it's predominantly woman.
I am sorry to hear that! I apologize that society stigmatizes the assaults that happen to men. However, this campaign actually is for men too. If you feel comfortable with it, you can absolutely participate.
Not just for women, and not just abuse. It's for everyone who has been sexually assaulted
If you feel more comfortable with a #metoomen hashtag, that exists. Of course you can raise awareness