@Kai02 Any questions? Does that help you understand things better now?
That is a really good explaination, tho my question wasn't really my trying to get one i just wanted to know what everyone else thought.I figured that it wouldn't happen unless something like u mentioned happened first anyways
@Kai02 One other thing I remember to be very interesting is something called "Collective Defense" and it's basically a "Mutual Defense Agreement" and is Article 5 of the NATO Treaty."Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies."Or to be more clear: "It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all."So as you can see this is a big deterrent designed to stop anybody from starting trouble and starting another world war like Hitler did last time. This Article is important as it makes any non-NATO nation's leader think twice before becoming an aggressor and attacking ANY NATO member nation first for whatever reason and so far it's been working out pretty good to deter and prevent an all out "Hot" war between nations confronting each other directly militarily.
The WWI was started by Austro-Hungary, who was backed by Germany
@menina It's because North Korea cannot simply go unchecked. According to a Congressional Report, and it's an official document by the way, North Korea would pose a serious threat if they created and used a nuclear missile specifically for a massive nuclear EMP (Electronic Magnetic Pulse) attack: docs.house.gov/.../...M09-Wstate-PryP-20171012.pdf
@JudgmentDay Yes, I never had doubts about the power of North Korea. It's clear that they want to destroy the world, not only the US. They need to be stopped.
@meninaIf you didn't catch this part in that report, again these are not my words:"So, North Korea doesn’t need an ICBM to create this existential threat. It could use its demonstrated satellite launcher to carry a nuclear weapon over the South Polar region and detonate it... over the United States to create a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP)... The result could be to shut down the U. S. electric power grid for an indefinite period, leading to the death within a year of up to 90 percent of all Americans—as the EMP Commission testified over eight years ago."Did you catch that part about 90% and about the electric power grid? Think about the big picture, everything these days require electricity if that was completely disrupted then that would be a blackout, now imagine a long term blackout of about a year or maybe more.Now you see why they can't simply go unchecked?
@menina It's on page 5 of that document: docs.house.gov/.../...M09-Wstate-PryP-20171012.pdfAnd if you check the source URL, it IS an official US government website, so would you think they make something up like this, if it wasn't serious in the first place?
@JudgmentDay I never said that this wasn't serious or that it was made up by the US government.
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That's assuming that the US made the first move. China makes a lot of money off of us and they don't want to end up in our crosshairs, either. We're much more important to China than North Korea is.
@Anon85 well the US is not tolerating North Korea's possession of a nuclear weapon directed against USA either
Bit of a fuckup situation
@Anon85 @QooLipBite "well the US is not tolerating North Korea's possession of a nuclear weapon directed against USA either"This is because of the deadly nuclear EMP threat they pose according to a congressional report that was released:docs.house.gov/.../...M09-Wstate-PryP-20171012.pdfThus we take no chances, we can't ever let our guard down if he refuses to cooperate and de-nuclearize. That's why North Korea cannot go unchecked.I used to think, meh. One nuke can't really cause any serious harm and widespread damage, at most it could only destroy 1 big city maybe a few towns, but that was until I heard about the congressional report and it shocked me completely.What ever the case may be, if he's crazy enough to start shit with us, North Korea will be done for in retaliatory nuclear strikes. And we have WAY MORE nukes than they do as well as Anti-Nuke (Anti-Ballistic Missile) systems in place for additional deterrent.
@JudgmentDay it doesn't matter how many nukes you have anymore if it's past the single digit numbers. A few if not one, is enough to wipe out a whole country and leave the place inhabitable for an eternity. It's a mutually assured destruction if anyone were to act with hostility.
You realize that a nuclear bomb only has a 50 mile radius, right? North Korea hasn't even managed a single functional nuclear missile and even if they did, they would only put a dent in the United States.
@Anon85 Then you didn't hear a word I said about the Congressional Report document U. S. House of Representatives Document Repository:docs.house.gov/.../...M09-Wstate-PryP-20171012.pdfThis is from that document: "So, North Korea doesn’t need an ICBM to create this existential threat. It could use its demonstrated satellite launcher to carry a nuclear weapon over the South Polar region and detonate it... over the United States to create a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP)... The result could be to shut down the U. S. electric power grid for an indefinite period, leading to the death within a year of up to 90 percent of all Americans—as the EMP Commission testified over eight years ago."Did you catch that? That's 90% fatalities if the power grid is shut down by a successful nuclear EMP attack. And the worst part is that it doesn't even have to be accurate. Thus we can't take any chances with them, regardless.
@Anon85 it's on page 5 of that document, and the URL of the website IS an official US government website, so do you think they make something up like this, if it wasn't serious in the first place?
@JudgementDay I was actually quite aware of that threat, but last I had heard they had already begun taking measures to prevent it this past year. They've known about the threat for a lot longer than 4 months.
I had figured that was already taken care of, but I guess they're behind schedule
@Anon85 I don't think it would be that simple to take precautionary measures, the power grid can't simply just become EMP hardened and EMP proofed over night. Whatever the case may be, they are taking no fucking chances with North Korea.I mean I used to think the same too, 1 or 2 , even a few nukes don't mean shit, even if they managed to hit us and that would be a complete miracle or luck because we have shit tons of Counter-Nuke Missile Systems in place, and thousands of warheads ready to strike in retaliation, although we only need about a hundred and NK is done for.I used to think the same, that the most damage a nuke can really do is destroy a city, maybe a few towns, and those that aren't targeted or hit, would not be affected or impacted in anyway.Never have I heard of or seen something like this before. Instead of using a nuke to attack a town or city or specifically, using it to attack an infrastructure to cause massive chaos and panic, etc. It's scary.
That's what happens when we let ourselves become dependent.
@Anon85 I'm surprised there aren't drills for the entire nation preparing on how to survive in case something as scary as this were to happen and not solely rely on electricity for survival and comfort. It's always about be prepared and ready for the worst case scenario expected and being vigilant that gives a peace of mind regardless of whether it becomes a reality or not. I remember they had lots of drills and preparation (and paranoia) back in the Cold War era preparing for and in case of nuclear war becoming a reality, etc. A short term blackout would be manageable, a very long term blackout would be very bad, ESPECIALLY if we didn't take precautionary measures and preparations and have any clues on what we MUST do to survive in that kind of a worst case scenario.
At the end of the day though drills aren't going to do a thing. Everyone's going to forget it all and stick to themselves anyway. I think it's much more productive to just make the public more aware of the issue and let them take the responsibility of being prepared. A long-term blackout in a city isn't just going to make people hungry - it's going to make them violent. We get riots and looting if the power is out for more than 3 days, imagine what would happen if it was out for a month or two
@Anon85 "A long-term blackout in a city isn't just going to make people hungry - it's going to make them violent. We get riots and looting if the power is out for more than 3 days, imagine what would happen if it was out for a month or two"The worst part is that you can't even call 911 for help as communications would all be down too. You're right about it turning into complete chaos as people become desperate and hungry and starving trying to stay alive.
Exactly. I plan on getting a concealed-carry license in the near-future and keeping at least some quantity of long-lasting food to store. It's perfectly ordinary and reasonable precaution, I think
Google isn't gonna give me a list of peoples opinions
It will give you hundreds of articles and forum discussions with people opinions. I've researched it multiple times.
I don't want a bunch of articles, this isn't some research thing where I want some answers from experts. I just want some random opinions by normal people to see what other people think about this. EVERYTHING on GAG could be googled and there would be plenty of articles and discussions on it, but people still use GAG
Are you not aware of America's political situation?
Well you have another think coming.
@Tomblebee what political situation Im from the US?explain
@DanFlingwing There are a few loose units bobbing around is all i'm saying.
@Tomblebee loose units?
@DanFlingwing Mmmmmhm. Just curious blue or red?
So no loose units in your opinion then? Also; donkeys or elephants*
@Tomblebee you make zero sense "blue or red"
@DanFlingwing Lol yea, i realised.
@Tomblebee Republican and Democrats
@DanFlingwing Yeah which are you? It's a bit different where i am from we just have colours.
@Tomblebee what does that have to do with anything that i asked? what is the us situation and who are the loose units
@DanFlingwing Just disgussing who has a bigger nuclear button can be veiwed as provocative.
@Tomblebee you are 15 and are trying to talk about something you know nothing about please stop you make no sense
@DanFlingwing Can you please tell me you're leader is not a complete imbecile. It might help me sleep at night :)
@Tomblebee well sadly thats up for debate
@DanFlingwing And you are debating in favour of the world being far from WW3?
John Titor's prophecy will come true
John Titor? The time traveler from 2000?Doesn't ring a bell, huh? He said we would have a civil war in the US by 2004 followed by World War III in 2008. By 2015 one third of the Earth's population would be dead as a direct consequence of the war.But he was from a different worldline, so even if the events have been pushed back it could still happen.
I'm completely sober. I was just joking about him because you were saying we would have a civil war first, which is what the guy claiming to be a time traveler said would happen
If we're getting sent to North Korea I just might volunteer before I get the letter in the mail. I'll see you in hell mate
I can't get conspcrited cuz I have disability so see ya at the funeral
I never stated my opinion. My question is just what other people think, its not a ridiculous question to ask other peoples opinions on something