Are your methods as easy and cheap as walking or driving ilegal across the boarder while transporting the same volumes?Legalisation of drugs will help him crime but banning guns won't prevent the cartels murdering people as I think guns are already strictly controlled in Mexico. The cartels are more like a paramilitary army that the Mexican government can not deal with. As long as Americans are snorting shit up their nose the cartels will have power and guns.
The cartels buy all their guns in the US.Also, that last sentence is not quite correct. It should say: "as long as Americans want drugs AND drugs are illegal in America, the cartels will have power". The Mexican drug cartels are nothing more than a modernized version of Al Capone. Places where marijuana has been legalized (within the US and in other countries) show that this measure has always led to a giant blow to the illegal drug mafia business. Cuz if I can get my blunt from licensed coffee shop that has it from an organic farmer, why would I go find some seedy dude in a back alley? And the same goes for all other drugs, including alcohol of course.
Al Capone controlled nearly every city in America and was probably the most powerful man thst ever lived in America. The Mexican cartels run most of mexico
They could get their guns from anywhere. The price of an ak47 is $100 in South America
The price of firearms is only so low in Central/South America because these countries have been flooded with American firearms for decades. Most of these countries don't have significant firearm manufactures themselves. The US isn't just big on guns when it comes to private possession, it's also BY FAR the biggest firearm producer (and exporter) in the world.
Maybe yet an AK47 can be bought cheaply on every corner of the world. After that the SKS and Belgian FAL
Belgian FALs aren't cheap anywhere.
In Trump's defence he wants to control the flow of people. Nobody is getting kicked out, the US runs on cheap Mexican and South American labour.
Thr Berlin Wall kept those commie, lazy Ossies out of our west
@jacquesvol that it did. Poor Bastard risked being machine gunned all to escape the ravages of communism.
Only the stupid ones risked jumping the border controls. I know at least one Ossie who took a trip to estern Russia and passed easily to Japan and the Aleute islands. He lives in L. A. now
Lol true. Her high class escort wife is immigrant too and I don't see her gone.Even I think trump parents or granparents were german illegals. He is just a pile of orange sh*t.
@TheGreyVisionary You call Melanie Trump a high class escort. She is a lot better than the tranny we had as the last first lady.
@TheGreyVisionary "In 1885, at age 16, Trump emigrated via Bremen, Germany, to the United States aboard the steamship Eider, departing on October and arriving at the Castle Garden Emigrant Landing Depot in New York City on October 19. U. S. immigration records list his name as "Friedr. Trumpf" and his occupation as "none"." Yes Trump's wives were immigrants that applied for visas and married a citizen.Trump's grandfather was legal, immigration was so much stricter back then.@jacquesvol considering you had to apply for a passport everytime before traveling to any Warsaw pact country I doubt he would have made it to Japan.
@jacquesvol isn't even American. But he loves bashing Americans
@Rissyanne Only SOME Americans :D
@jacquesvol You shouldn't even bash any. It is not your concern
PervinMervin29 using a false name to immigrate is illegal
@TheGreyVisionary and @jacquesvol if you love these illegal immigrates so much... why dont you house and feed them. You need to move at least two families into your home.
@jacquesvol a bit harsh considering most immigrants at the time could hardly read or write.
@Rissyanne I already told you how much I spend each month for homeless people, through an official organization.
@Rissyanne please, don't repeat stupid slander you found on the internet :)
@jacquesvol Is this about Michelle Obama being an escort? He can call her an escort but I can't call Michael Obama a tranny. And I dont believe a word you say.
@Rissyanne insulting people drags YOU down
@PervinMervin29 Trump is making scapegoats of Hispanics , just because it suits his political discours.Americans forget that the southern states were Mexico until 1848 (February 2, 1848, Guadalupe Hidalgo)
@jacquesvol You are constantly insulting Americans. So you have no room to talk.
@jacquesvol Mexicans forget that mexico wasn't always spainish
@PervinMervin29 Americans forget America wasn't always WASP
@jacquesvol that's true. I've met a few protestants who that their people had always been in Ireland and never heard of the plantations or Norman invasions
@Rissiyanne Melanie doesn't have anything on Michelle. Michelle Obama comes on top in everything except cosmetic surgeries. -Michelle has ovaries, Melanie screams for help to the camera so she can get rid of his undeniable husband.-Melanie cares more about a lipstick than trumps health, the Obamas has been together for a long time. -Melanie has nudes on the web Michelle has Harvard and Princeton under her bell. -the average female look up to Michelle hard work and sucess, the average escort look up to Melanie and her work (no wonder your interest on mela)-michelle did so much for America as a first First Lady and got awards to back her up, Melanie hardly know what she is doing when trying to fulfill her first First Lady roles.I don't think i need to go further.
@TheGreyVisionary You are insane. Michelle looked and acted like a tranny. Melania is a beautiful WOMAN. Michelle isn't good enough to lick her shoes. Michelle is a piece of shit... and looks like it to.
@TheGreyVisionary VERY true! :)
@jacquesvol You know Michelle Obama looks like a tranny...
@Rissyanne not at all.
@jacquesvol Oh that's right... you liberals love ugly women and transsexuals. I forgot you were bisexual.
@Rissyanne Getting personal means you've no arguments.
@jacquesvol could it not be argued the same about getting personal about Trump's family and wife?
I'm not discussing with Trump's family. I discussed about the way the family entered the US. That's not even similar.
@jacquesvol legally though ofgicals mispelled hos name.
Or he did. Copying papers isn't that difficult for officials
@jacquesvol guy was illiterate at 16, it was normal back in those days
Not for immigration officers
Is there any proof he was illiterate?
@jacquesvol guy can't read write or speak English, how likely is it that he can spell his own name. If you've ever ordered from Starbucks you'd know how often names are misspelled.www.memecenter.com/fun/1431045/starbucks-failhttp://cheezburger.com/9081748992/good-job
@jacquesvol You agreed with this jerk. With you liberals it is ok to slander the president you dont like. You like to threaten him... threaten his family. Hold up severed heads of him. Call is wife an escort. Call his son retarded. But if we say one thing about Obama... liberals scream racist.
@Rissyanne I'm not American or what you call liberal. American liberalism is like right wing light whereas in more of a moderate.
I wasn’t talking to you. @jacquesvol is a huge leftist. He’s not an American but he gets off by bashing Americans
@Rissyanne ONLY Some Americans 😆
@jacquesvol You are just like any other liberal. Bashing someone you have no business bashing.
@Rissyanne Trump merits a bashing 😇
@jacquesvol He is not your president... so your opinion doesn't matter. Obama deserved to be horse whipped for what he did to this country.
@Rissyanne no, Trump isn't our president but his decisions have an impact on Europe too.
@jacquesvol No.. you are reaching. Suck it up. He is my president and he deserves some respect. But you liberals are so blinded you can't see past Michelle obama's balls.
@jacquesvol she's right. You gotta respect democracy even when you don't like how the vote goes.
@Rissyane Lol to address something you said earlier. You say liberals scream racism if they say one thing about Obama. I'm gonna be honest you sound like a racist to me from your quotes about Michelle since you won't let that go. Going after not only her skin but calling her a man. And Trump is president yes, but I have people have the right to say fuck him just like all people who fucking showed up on the white house lawn protesting when Obama first got in office. A lot of them didn't even have solid reasons. The reason I don't like Trump is because he behaves terrible and he's an asshole. Not only that but his wife copied Michelle's speech.
@PervinMervin29 If that's the case, she's also disrespecting democracy by talking about Obama. If she can say Obama should be horse whipped. I think it's okay to think Trump sucks too.
I’ve got news for you... Michelle lifted that speech off Saul Alinsky. Who was a terrible man. And you proved my point... when I mentioned obama you screamed Racist. It’s ok for you liberals to talk about the Trump but when someone talks about the obamas you get all hurt. But thanks for proving my point
And I've got new for you, I don't care if you call obama things. That's your right. However, I didn't scream racist like it's a false accusation. I'm calling one for reasons of where you attacked Michelle's skin saying she looked like shit. Which we both can be honest, you were comparing her skin to poop. Second off, that thing about Michelle taking the speech from a bad man made you look even dumber because then Melanie is STILL a dumbass for copying the same thing again despite it's background. The fact remains, she fucking copied the speech. Gearing back towards Michelle doesn't make Melanie less of a retard. That's all I have to say. Goodbye, fuck Trump. Someone save Melanie before he grabs her or better yet some poor girl by the pussy with his sundried orange hands. Goodbye, I'm finished.
@PervinMervin29 He made it to the Aleute Islands, N of Japan , going all the way through Siberia
You liberals make it so easy for Trump to get elected again. I want to thank you. You do a great job... lol
@Rissyanne indeed, liberals aren't as strong in dirty tricks and gutter fight.
@jacquesvol Are you kidding... look what all your queen Hillary did.
@jacquesvol she's right Hillary and bill were very good in the gutter, he'll Bill committed a federal crime and still remained President.
PervinMervin29 Thus in your opinion, illiterate Mexicans are a problem, but illiterate Germans not?by the way, 'Trump is just a 5 letter word, not hard to spell.
Why won't it work?
It won't work because a) the Mexicans won't pay and b) immigration will not be entirely stopped.
Nobody wants immigration stopped. Who's going to do all the low wage jobs Mexicans do?At the most it will control the number of people entering and be able to identify them.
If nobody wants immigration stopped, then how do you explain Trump?
Lol tell me about it, I am Mexican and I will be getting up at 4.45am all spring break long doing low wage lol.If he wants the wall so bad why haven't he made it himself. The cost will be nothing from his 3billion net.
They want it controlled as in legal. Back in the day when there was an influx of European emigration immigrants needed to be inspected and approved to gain entry into the United States.
Yeah but when a person goes by plane or bought you can count them, identify them and give them a background check. Let's not act like republicans or going to pick their own strawberries lol.
Yeah but when a person goes by plane or *boat* you can count them, identify them and give them a background check, you need a passport to travel to most countries. Let's not act like republicans are going to pick their own strawberries lol.*autospell*
Thère's a 'wall' between Palestine Gaza and Egypt.And MANY tunnels under it.
@jacquesvol agreed it's very difficult to get into Israel.
@PervinMervin29 It's quite easy to get in Israel when you're just using a car or plane and have the proper papers tho
@tartaarsaus you mean legally without the intention of terrorism?
In 1885, at age 16, Trump emigrated via Bremen, Germany, to the United States aboard the steamship Eider, departing on October and arriving at the Castle Garden Emigrant Landing Depot in New York City on October 19. U. S. immigration records list his name as "Friedr. Trumpf" and his occupation as "none"." TRUE @PervinMervin29
@jacquesvol no record that he was able to write or spell his name. With no occupation it's likely he had no education. An official could have misspelled his name. I know I can't spell German names.
An illiterate thus, according to you? @LlittleSally
@jacquesvol immigrants from Europe with no professions or skills generally were illiterate at the time
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Satellites and radar can detect tunnels
Yeah they really should just legalise drugs and spend a quarter of the war on drugs funding on drug rehabilitation and drug education programmes.
In any government system, spending money on education and renewal energy is always a safe bet. Anything else is not a guarantee. I will quote churchill to show Americas mentality."You can always count on America ns to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Winston ChurchillAmericans are the most stubborn creature out there. Sometimes they do things wrong for so long people start believing that's the those actions are actually right.Americans dont make changes, they let things go and then make changes after the big mess up.With that philosophies, even if the government had an opium contravand increase right in their faces. They would not work on it until it became a crisis.
As long as big corporations run the united states, Americans will never be in control. Americans give power to the wrong people. America doesn't get drug addicts and gives them mental help and social support like some Europeans, they feed them to the prison system and give then a record that will ruin their life.
The US prision system is so messed up
You took the words from me! Exactly the same point I was going to present!
A lot of people do not lock their doors at night... It really depends on where you are. Locking a whole country is so irrational. Most of the dangers are already here.
@wolfcat87 Why is it irrational? Why should we not control who we allow to come into our house?
If other countries can have a secure boarder why not the US?
A country is not a house. The comparison might as well be comparing the planet to out house and then trying to kick people off of it. So silly.
@wolfcat87 Why should our border not be secure? Why should we not control who enters our country?
Why should we? I don't believe in borders.
@wolfcat87 Do you also not believe in governments? Do you believe in giving government assistance to illegal immigrants? Do you believe in requiring people to pay taxes to pay for such assistance?
Immigrants allowed to work jobs that pull taxes do pay taxes. An example would be the DACA qualifying immigrants who are allowed to work legally and pay taxes. They do. Yes, government is important. We had government long before we had countries. Yes, illegals should be able to receive assistance. It's really simple, allow them to work tax paying jobs, and allow them to get help if they need it so that can continue to work and save us money. They've already earned it with many of them working multiple jobs for slave wages to make things for us cheaper already.
The coast guard prevents people coming by boat. To get on a boat or ferry you need a passport if traveling to another country which means your entry into the country is recorded and your easily identified if you have to be deported. A tunnel involves a lot of manpower and is dangerous. This wall will have sensor and seismic equipment to detect any tunnels. You'd have to build about 10 miles of tunnels
Coast guard does not prevent much. That's funny. People coming in with passports can stay just as well as people jumping a border. I know how seismic equipment and sensors with work in an area with regular earthquakes and plenty of weather and wildlife to set them off. The manpower you'd need to check every single incident is well beyond our budget. I know this living in an area full of nuclear missiles that use the exact same equipment... They already tunnel under the current border with huge tunnels that allow the smuggling of goods. lol
@wolfcat87 pretty sure the coast guard prevents plenty and saves plenty.Automation cuts down on manpower. The equipment to detect tunnels is already deployed in Israel to great success. Even if there are huge tunnels under the boarder think of how much manpower and resources that requires thus cutting down on the profits and power of the Mexican cartel in both the US and Mexico. At the very least if successful the wall will cut down on Mexican immigrants being exploited by cartels and 90%of the women crossing the boarder being raped by coyotes.
The Mongols, tarters, turks were kept out of chins for a very long time until somebody let them in through the gate.
Hmmm... I smell a bloodthirsty mentality without any value for human life. Are you sure you should not be in the Middle East or some other war torn area? Also, humans along a border would still disrupt wildlife... Also, they'd just fly in or come in by sea. lol
@wolfcat87 isn't that the point that they fly in or come by boat that way at least you can identify them by their passport, do background checks and keep track of how many are coming in. That's how they used to keep track of European immigrants espicially at Ellis island.
@wolfcat87 - The illegals are just that, ILLEGALS, as in lawbreakers and invaders. THEY are the ones trying to sneak into America, it's not that I'M the one going into their country after them. If they want to come in legally, that's fine. If they want to come in ILLEGALLY, they're an invading enemy, and America has a right to defend itself against enemy invaders, by whatever means necessary.
True. But Israel man's their boarders and don't lease everything out to the lowest bidder in the private sector.
Andd now there's a network of tunnels.
@jacquesvol Israel is building an underground wall against tunnels
@jacquesvol which took a lot of manpower and time to build. Time they weren't spending on building rockets, building bombs and committing terrorism
@PervinMervin29 They have been doing all those things at the same time.
@jacquesvol which took a lot of manpower and time to build. Time they weren't spending on building rockets, building bombs and committing terrorism which would explain the 95% drop in terrorism.
@PervinMervin29False. The wall that caused that massive drop is present in the Westbank, which does not have a massive number of tunnels passing through. They are in the Gaza strip, where such a wall has never been built. So no, the terrorism didn't decrease because they had to build tunnels. Two completely different locations
And the drop is mainly caused simply because there is a physical barrier. There still is plenty of attacks in the Westbank itself.
Isn't that exactly what I said
@PervinMervin29 Absolutely not. The wall and tunnels are in two completely separate places and have no relationship to each other.
The US military has the largest standing army in the world, the largest reserve military, the largest standing militia and the largest number of law enforcement officers in the world. Somehow I dont think money or manpower is an issue.
What is it then?
What I meant by heavy man power at the border is money. The U. S. doesn't want to spend the money.
All they have to do is move a few military bases to the boarder, patrol and train there. Good practice for patrolling Afganistan and Iraq.
They can build it and make it work if they want to all that's lacking is the will. The building and patrolling of it will be given out to private corporations who will do it for four times the price and squeeze the taxpayer.
Yeah the Mongols got past the great wall after some genius general decided to let them in.
Actually, it's mainly hard working every day people coming over here to improve their quality of life. You don't hear about them, because they stay out of trouble and are too busy working their butts off and staying below the radar to upset anyone. Think about it. I know lots of illegals who came in and worked like slaves while never causing an issue for anyone.
@wolfcat87 Fine, then I'll go work illegally in Mexico and see how long I last.Actually, it's more the programs for illegals, then the actual illegals I have a problem with
Mexico doesn't like ilegals
Because they all get deported, shot, or dissolved in acid.
True but America would be better just legalizing all that.
Really? Then you may as well legalize mass murder too and any other bad thing since it is the easy thing to do.
There was more drinking going on during prohibition both before and after and organised crime never made more money.Portugal legalised it all and spent the money they would use to fight "the war on drugs" on rehabilitation and education programmes to great success.
We make meth in the U. S. all of the time... It's extremely easy to make. The same way that we've grown weed this whole time. About the only thing importing would prevent is opiates/pharma drugs.
@wolfcat87 exactly just like during prohibition. The war on booze went exactly the way the war on drugs is going.
So we shouldn't even try then?With that logic, you should never lock your door to your house or car and leave all of your valuables in open sight. Since some people still get robbed, you may as well not even try.We shouldn't have doctors either, because some people still die even though a doctor tries to help.You are VERY ignorant and illogical, both of you.
Your efforts are counter productive increasing drug use
I think it will happen only it will be half finished and over budget, poorly built, behind schedule and abandoned after the next election.
So basically a waste of time by yur statement?
Unless done right yeah.
I'd say UN members condemning a US president was a bright side.
Nobody gives 2-shits about what the UN thinks. They're nothing but a bunch of corrupt-o-crat representatives anyway. Nothing they do means a hill of beans, other than to take our money and redistribute it around the world to their cronies in the name of some asinine charity. The charity gets about 30% while the other 70% is pocketed by the 2-bit dictators that run those shithole places.
@Goforit1010 you just described the US goverment
After the 2016 election, the volume of corruption in our Govt became exceedingly clear, especially from the D side. I knew it existed in BOTH parties. But the Dems... shady dealings with doing just about everything they could to insure that bitch got back in the WH. I am sooooo glad she's not!I may not 100% approve of everything Trump does, but knowing how this country would end up had she gotten there? We absolutely dodged a MAJOR bullet by NOT having the BITCH as POTUS.
That's true. So they must work.
After how long?
The berlin wall fell apart. Even Chinas great wall is deteriorating. I think it depends on the materials used to build it. Not all materials last long. Brick and stone eventually crumples with time and weather and erosion etc.
The Berlin wall lasted like 40 years and didn't fall apart, the east German army stopped manning it and the Berliners East and West literally knocked it down with sledge hammers. https://youtu.be/zmRPP2WXX0UThe great wall of China has lasted 2500 years.
Lol very true you knew what I was trying to say.
I dont think condoms were around in 1890
Oh, crap. There was no way of stopping that little streak of shit from being conceived?
Yeah they'd have to turn back or die of thrist. It's more likely they won't try if they know they can't pass that way.
they will pay someone to help them, and tunnelswill bedug, or some form of flightwill be achived... they will always find a way
That requires massive manpower, time and effort. It also means they will be crossing the boarder at specific points and thus easier to catch. Also sattelites can detect tunnels in the earth.
Wall of my house, wall of my yard.
I will. You got his number?
To keep the cold and animals out. Humans are smarter than walls: they invented tunnels
@jacquesvol They also invented counter tunnels and seismic equipment. If walls could hold Mongols out for a thousands of years, Scots out for hundreds of years and the enemies of the Byzantine for a few hundred of say they work.
Byzantine walls? Tell us about them, please
The anastasian wall was only 50 km long
@jacquesvol and it worked for a time. The theodosian walls worked well enough and like the great walls of China kept the Mongols at bay.
@PervinMervin29 walls work, for a short time, until people find a way to pass around, over, under he walls.
@jacquesvol didn't the Danes have a wall that kept your ancestors out for like a thousand years?
@PervinMervin29 My ancestors? They probably lived a thousand miles from Denmark! :D :D
@jacquesvol hence why they settled in Belgium not Denmark. Wall did it's job.
i believe he's jewish
@COCOCHANEL so what's the relevance of that?
@jacquesvol your foreskin. I dont know.
@jacquesvol i think he thought you were french
@PervinMervin29 :-o WTF would you be interested in my foreskin?
@PervinMervin29 and walls don't stop the US Airforce.
Did they work?
Well yes, but the border with scotland isn't very long and the wall was manned with Syrian Archers (the best in the world) compared to the over 2000 miles that the U. S Mexico border is
Yeah but it was built using manual labour by 9000 legionaries with using iron and wooden tools, taking six years. This wall can be built in 2 years using 4000 workers, assembling prefabricated wall sections and heavy machinery. A big job but nothing compared to the engineering master pieces of things like the Hoover dam or an American aircraft carrier. The wall should be a piece of piss.
We don't havr the manpower to actually use it
Everything is automated now, manpower is obsolete.
Not really, and add to the fact that the area it would cover means that a wall won't stop them, these people cross some of the harshest terrain in tbe world on foot.Also the wall would be an ecological catastrophe and impede Jagaur recovery to the southwest, and we have made strides there recently
If you know you are going to meet an insurmountable wall you won't make the journey. The wall can work if there's the will to make it work.
An insurmountable wall? If a man is crossing the Sonora on foot a wall won't be an issue. The coyotes will bring a way to get past.Besides any man who wants to be an American enough that they are willing to cross those deserts on foot.Let them in, cause we could use people who are that hardcore and are willing to risk the journey to be here
Aren't 90%of women crossing the boarder raped by the coyotes?
They had US special forces attempting to scale the walls, they failed.
You can dig, hell chances are there are natural cave systems as well, the southwest has extensive mining and natural cave systems
You realise what it take to dig a tunnel deep enough and long enough to not be detected.
Again, over 2000 miles, some places 50 miles from the nearest town?Detection isn't an issue.
There is better uses for our money, healthcare, education, economic investment.The wall won't help the border states nearly as much as other things we could do with that money, such as setting up sustainable forestry in new mexico, plenty of people have been put out of work when the logging operations closed down due to people not realizing that logging doesn't have to hurt the environment.Like the Appalachians, the southwest has a lot of potential for sustainable industry, and sadly also a lot of poverty invest in those instead
The price of one of those new aircraft carriers you guys are building could pay for it all plus if you guys stopped bombing the middle East.Logging is ok if you replant, wood is a renewable resource if invested in right.
Logging isn't just okay, logging if done properly is great.I should admit I'm biased towards it, my Dads side of the family is from Washington state and I'm descended from Loggers, even now an Uncle of mine works for the Logging companies as a tree geneticist, he is trying to develop a square tree
Another thing I suggest to reinvest though thus will bring in less money, is to lower the public land grazing fee, right now, a rancher has to pay a dollar sixty nine per animal unit month. Lower that to a flat dollar
I'm not American but aren't European cows bad for your enviorment over there? Maybe better switching to buffalo. Also it seems you guys need to accept fire as part of nature and start controlled burnings to prevent large fires. I dont live there so I'm no expert.
There are buffalo farms (actually bison technically) there is also Beefalo a hybrid of cattle and American bison.The damage can be mitigated and repaired and managed.There are also other things a rancher can grow, the Basques for example, a lot of them Immigrated to the U. S and now raise sheep in the Rockies and high plains, and for once the Basque people didn't get fucked over.Well unless you count the sheep wars of the old west but that involved everyone raising sheep and not just Basque immigrants
The real menace are the feral pigs, the descendents of those the damn Spanish released
We used to have wild boars, mostly gone. That's good eating
We didn't, the closest relative to the put we had was rhe javelina.Feral pigs are responsible for over 6 billion dollars worth of damage a year in the U. S alone
You need to grab your rifle. How about those Burmese pythons too in Florida. There's two species that a hunter can be called a conservationist for shooting.
Only in America can you save the environment by shooting as wildlife lol.
No, Australia, Canada, South America all have similar problems
Also hunting organizations are often HUGE conservation and environmentalists.Ducks unlimited a duck hunting organization is the largest voice for ducks, it has also preserved over 10 million acres of wetlands and continues to restore millions more and considering Wetlands are some of the most endangered biomes, they are doing very important work
Yea nothing a good ladder can't do lol.
3/4 of the Trump wall exists already , existed for years.
@jacquesvol then It will be easy to finish
Trump knows best how to cheat
@jacquesvol yeah but he's not repatriating refugees in war zones like Sudan.
@PervinMervin29 Yes, we have rightist extremists in our govt.
@jacquesvol and leftist extremist too I'm sure. A country that swings too far right or left is in trouble.
@PervinMervin29 At this moment, the social democrats are in the opposition, communists don't even exist. A conservative + rightist govt.