sorry but I have a HUGE problem when girls let shit like that happen without saying a word AT THE TIME IT HAPPENS. If it bothers you, speak the fuck up then and there. If whatever actually happened, had bothered her, she would have said something immediately. Not waited until she gathered her feminist attack force to go out and attack. She is as toxic as any female can be in this day and age. Especially since so many females look up to her as "Queen" and all that bullshit. Come on Taylor, be an actual good example and speak up WHEN something happens. Not after you're done profiting off someone/something.
Some people need time to come out I didn’t tell anyone for a year not even my best friend but I also didn’t press charges because I had no proof and they basically told me the most they can do was put him on probation which was pointless to me so I never did anything.
Well, she isn't profiting. She converted this into some kind of feminist statement. Which it is not. She just used her considerable celebrity power and destroy a little guy for an accident.
@lovedejj_xo Madam, I do not seek to compare the two situations. I think a woman feeling vulnerable in a situation where she was actually violated is totally different than this. Cameras all around for a photo op, Taylor Swift and a unknown radio DJ.
I just think this situation is different. I do not accept that women in positions of power don't know they are in positions of power. I have worked with/for too many female CEOs, CFOs, etc.
I know one female CFO who fired an assistant because she brought her the wrong flavor of ice cream shake.
I’m not agreeing on everything she’s doing and yea I get what you’re saying! But I really was addressing what you said hammering other victims don’t put us in that category if we don’t come out right away doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
@LittleSally Madam, I will not pretend that every woman is "shocked". I have seen women fire people for addressing them using the wrong title.
I have seen women fire people for bringing them the wrong type of ice cream shake.
I have seen women curse employees while they are working, yell and scream. So I hardly think every women is intimidated simply because a man touched their fanny.
Especially since I have had several grope me. And I refuse to believe that Taylor Swift was terrified by this guy. The only thing I will admit to in this case is that he could have said, "I am sorry, I grabbed your butt". Which is what I did when I accidentally grabbed my friend's butt.
But she could have said something too. This could have been resolved in five seconds. Not five years.
Yes she did.. allegations like that nobody cares what the verdict is... say someone gets arrested for molesting kids... But beats the case... he's still guilty as far as everyone is cincerned
All ladies I apologize for the men here saying "no proof didn't happen" although you can't fire a guy off an accusation that hasn't been brought to court or he hasn't been detained
Look I agree that the photo shows him grabbing her ass. I disagree that he intentionally tried to do it. Yes, I know. . . he could have been fired for a lot less. He could have made an inappropriate joke. I have seen guys get dismissed because they addressed a CEO improperly via an email.
But she still could have handled it differently. She could have called him or used one of her people to get in touch with him and tell him she felt violated. He could have explained himself and apologized.
But she did not afford him that opportunity. It could have been a "teaching moment" for us all.
@TuMeManques So what's the alternative to have the sexes go to war with each other?
It is evident we see this situation much differently. And I don't understand why accusations have to start flying before there is any discussion or attempt at understanding what happened.
@TuMeManques "Because most of the guys being accused are fessing up to it and saying "sorry, I've changed a lot since then" or some other such thing. "
@TuMeManques What does it matter? You can be fired for conduct outside of the workplace. If I sexually harassed a woman in a social setting, I should expect to have almost all of my clients refuse to do business with me any longer.
In fact, I will go even further. If I even employed someone with sexual harassment issues outside of the workplace, I could see my client ending the relationship.
Then how would you suggest she defend herself? She went about it the legal and proper way. Also he clearly isn't blacklisted if he has a job again as a dj on another station. Why would you defend a guy like that? I guess we are on different planets about this because I sure wouldn't defend him.
I only know what the judge ruled based on evidence. He had a place to give his side in court and he has a platform on radio to defend himself. I'm simply answering your question and rebutting your claims. I'm not claiming to know more than anyone else about it. 🤷♀️
@TuMeManques You keep talking about the court case as though it was a criminal prosecution. But that is beside my point in any event. Sufficed to say, if you have evidence of criminal intent to commit sexual assault you need to call Swift.
The jury ruled that it was more probable than not, that he committed assault. So she was awarded 1$. I think had she asked for more, she probably would have lost.
And again I'm not going by what she said. I'm going by a court ruling in which they clearly had more evidence than we do. Holy crap is it that hard to understand?
Oh, so because there's no photo, she's automatically lying?
Doesn't matter what you goobers believe. A judge believed her. That ought to settle the matter. DJ Pissbaby is living up to his name and being a pissbaby because no one wants to have a groper on their staff.
And convicted felons are unable to be hired too. DJ Pissbaby should be glad with what he got.
And of course he’s lying. He actually stood to gain something by lying - however much money he sued Swift for. Besides, no one is going to admit that they groped someone, because they know that it’s bad and that they shouldn’t have done it.
I don’t even like Taylor Swift and I believe her. What does that tell you?
And I believe that all of y’all hate women so much that you believe that we’re out here tryin to ruin men’s lives when really we’re just trying to survive and not get groped during press junkets.
That does not tell me anything but that any time a woman feels she has been violated you automatically assume she is telling the truth.
I even admit he grabbed her ass. If you read my post, I even admit I did this on an occasion. But my friend knew it was an accident.
So riddle me this, why would an unknown DJ grab Taylor Swift's ass on purpose to receive sexual gratification in public, on camera, and in front of his girlfriend.
He has no history of sexual predatory behavior. If he did, he would be in jail. Stop with the hyperbole. A guy accidentally grabbing some tushy isn't a sexual predator. That is beyond absurd.
Is the present court ruling not sufficient? A judge ruled he did. There was a ruling to that effect. I think you agreed at one point to that piece of information.
If he lost the court case it was more than an accidental bump while he tried to place his arm. Dude ruined his own life by being sleezy. He will rebuild and hopefully have learned some respect.
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It looks like he is touching her ass so I do think he is at fault there or definitely part at fault. God knows why he thought he could get away with it.
But it doesn't look like his hand is right up her skirt and to be honest it would be hard to do something like that in the situation.
So i dont know. He is definitely in the wrong but has paid a heavy price.
Also. When it comes to this. How often does she accuse people? She’s a hard working person, who certainly belongs to be where she is. I think her word is very strong, and believable.
I agree. she always plays victim role. sing about her asshole ex-bf and stupid pointless drama that I don't fucking care about. Taylor Swift is a bad girl. Not a good role model for kids. Or girls.
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sorry but I have a HUGE problem when girls let shit like that happen without saying a word AT THE TIME IT HAPPENS. If it bothers you, speak the fuck up then and there. If whatever actually happened, had bothered her, she would have said something immediately. Not waited until she gathered her feminist attack force to go out and attack. She is as toxic as any female can be in this day and age. Especially since so many females look up to her as "Queen" and all that bullshit. Come on Taylor, be an actual good example and speak up WHEN something happens. Not after you're done profiting off someone/something.
I totally agree
Some people need time to come out I didn’t tell anyone for a year not even my best friend but I also didn’t press charges because I had no proof and they basically told me the most they can do was put him on probation which was pointless to me so I never did anything.
Well, she isn't profiting. She converted this into some kind of feminist statement. Which it is not. She just used her considerable celebrity power and destroy a little guy for an accident.
@lovedejj_xo Madam, I do not seek to compare the two situations. I think a woman feeling vulnerable in a situation where she was actually violated is totally different than this. Cameras all around for a photo op, Taylor Swift and a unknown radio DJ.
I just think this situation is different. I do not accept that women in positions of power don't know they are in positions of power. I have worked with/for too many female CEOs, CFOs, etc.
I know one female CFO who fired an assistant because she brought her the wrong flavor of ice cream shake.
I’m not agreeing on everything she’s doing and yea I get what you’re saying! But I really was addressing what you said hammering other victims don’t put us in that category if we don’t come out right away doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
@lovedejj_xo Oh that is understood. Many women can feel vulnerable and may not want to come out right away.
But I don't agree that Taylor Swift was intimidated at all.
*Apparently you don't know how it works when you're shocked frozen...
Lucky you.
@LittleSally Madam, I will not pretend that every woman is "shocked". I have seen women fire people for addressing them using the wrong title.
I have seen women fire people for bringing them the wrong type of ice cream shake.
I have seen women curse employees while they are working, yell and scream. So I hardly think every women is intimidated simply because a man touched their fanny.
Especially since I have had several grope me. And I refuse to believe that Taylor Swift was terrified by this guy. The only thing I will admit to in this case is that he could have said, "I am sorry, I grabbed your butt". Which is what I did when I accidentally grabbed my friend's butt.
But she could have said something too. This could have been resolved in five seconds. Not five years.
Yes she did.. allegations like that nobody cares what the verdict is... say someone gets arrested for molesting kids... But beats the case... he's still guilty as far as everyone is cincerned
All ladies I apologize for the men here saying "no proof didn't happen" although you can't fire a guy off an accusation that hasn't been brought to court or he hasn't been detained
Look I agree that the photo shows him grabbing her ass. I disagree that he intentionally tried to do it. Yes, I know. . . he could have been fired for a lot less. He could have made an inappropriate joke. I have seen guys get dismissed because they addressed a CEO improperly via an email.
But she still could have handled it differently. She could have called him or used one of her people to get in touch with him and tell him she felt violated. He could have explained himself and apologized.
But she did not afford him that opportunity. It could have been a "teaching moment" for us all.
I just have a hard time believing that ALL of these men accused during the #metoo movement are this perverted and guilty.
It’s all heresay.
I am sure not all men are 100% guilty. But if we don't have fulsome discussions, it is going to be hard to arrive at an understanding.
Really? Because most of the guys being accused are fessing up to it and saying "sorry, I've changed a lot since then" or some other such thing.
@TuMeManques So what's the alternative to have the sexes go to war with each other?
It is evident we see this situation much differently. And I don't understand why accusations have to start flying before there is any discussion or attempt at understanding what happened.
I'm not sure what accusations you are referring to? From me? Or Swifts accusations?
@TuMeManques "Because most of the guys being accused are fessing up to it and saying "sorry, I've changed a lot since then" or some other such thing. "
Are you hearing any guys in Hollywood denying it? I'm not
@TuMeManques You are comparing sexual harassment to Swift's situation.
That's my point. Maybe the two aren't the same. I grabbed my friend's ass accidentally. I would rather she not report me to HR.
https://i.imgur.com/4F5O0gl.jpg
Her situation was sexual harassment. They were together in a professional environment not friends just hanging out.
@TuMeManques What does it matter? You can be fired for conduct outside of the workplace. If I sexually harassed a woman in a social setting, I should expect to have almost all of my clients refuse to do business with me any longer.
In fact, I will go even further. If I even employed someone with sexual harassment issues outside of the workplace, I could see my client ending the relationship.
I agree with that so I don't see why you don't think Swift should have a right to legally defend herself?
@TuMeManques In terms of this debate, you are not even on the same planet as I am.
Who says Taylor can't defend herself?1?
But this guy is blacklisted and this will follow him for the rest of his life.
Then how would you suggest she defend herself? She went about it the legal and proper way. Also he clearly isn't blacklisted if he has a job again as a dj on another station.
Why would you defend a guy like that? I guess we are on different planets about this because I sure wouldn't defend him.
@TuMeManques What in the world?
She beat him in court. She won. I am talking about giving this man an opportunity that evening to explain himself.
That's all.
You have made this into an entirely different discussion.
I am defending him? I don't know he intentionally did this or not.
But you do.
That's the difference.
I only know what the judge ruled based on evidence. He had a place to give his side in court and he has a platform on radio to defend himself. I'm simply answering your question and rebutting your claims. I'm not claiming to know more than anyone else about it. 🤷♀️
@TuMeManques You keep talking about the court case as though it was a criminal prosecution. But that is beside my point in any event. Sufficed to say, if you have evidence of criminal intent to commit sexual assault you need to call Swift.
The jury ruled that it was more probable than not, that he committed assault. So she was awarded 1$. I think had she asked for more, she probably would have lost.
I don't have more evidence. I only know what was ruled, which was against him lol
Seriously this is getting old
@TuMeManques And again, that's the point. You only know what was said.
And again I'm not going by what she said. I'm going by a court ruling in which they clearly had more evidence than we do. Holy crap is it that hard to understand?
@TuMeManques Yeah, you keep talking about the court ruling.
Right. Which is completely relevant.
He lifted her skirt and groped her ass. He did it to himself.
So you were there and have the proof of it? Why didn't you just show it?
Madam, truthfully there is no photo of him lifting her skirt.
Oh, so because there's no photo, she's automatically lying?
Doesn't matter what you goobers believe. A judge believed her. That ought to settle the matter. DJ Pissbaby is living up to his name and being a pissbaby because no one wants to have a groper on their staff.
Well, let's turn that around. Is he automatically lying?
Do you know the other woman in the photoshot?
That's his girlfriend. And the court case is not at issue. At issue is his livelihood.
So you assume that because she's a woman, she can't lie? Only men can lie, right? Those evil men, always raping and lying. We should execute them all.
And convicted felons are unable to be hired too. DJ Pissbaby should be glad with what he got.
And of course he’s lying. He actually stood to gain something by lying - however much money he sued Swift for. Besides, no one is going to admit that they groped someone, because they know that it’s bad and that they shouldn’t have done it.
I don’t even like Taylor Swift and I believe her. What does that tell you?
That you hate men so much that you're ready to side with anyone hurting a man.
@Guanfei girl nobody asked for your pissbaby antics
And I believe that all of y’all hate women so much that you believe that we’re out here tryin to ruin men’s lives when really we’re just trying to survive and not get groped during press junkets.
That does not tell me anything but that any time a woman feels she has been violated you automatically assume she is telling the truth.
I even admit he grabbed her ass. If you read my post, I even admit I did this on an occasion. But my friend knew it was an accident.
So riddle me this, why would an unknown DJ grab Taylor Swift's ass on purpose to receive sexual gratification in public, on camera, and in front of his girlfriend.
That doesn't sound absolutely crazy?
If y’all don’t think that sexual predators can have girlfriends and still prey on other people in front of them, you’re very naïve.
He has no history of sexual predatory behavior. If he did, he would be in jail. Stop with the hyperbole. A guy accidentally grabbing some tushy isn't a sexual predator. That is beyond absurd.
All sex is rape!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9IlKM_3JSs
Grabbing someone’s ass in a situation where they can’t get away *is* predatory behaviour. That’s like textbook sexually predatorial behaviour.
If you have evidence that he intentionally grabbed Taylor Swift, he has to go to jail.
Please produce that evidence.
Is the present court ruling not sufficient? A judge ruled he did. There was a ruling to that effect. I think you agreed at one point to that piece of information.
You still don't get it.
What is the court ruling? That he is a criminal and deserves to go to jail?
I won't provide anymore links. I will just let you wallow in ignorance.
Again, you don't know what the court ruled.
If he lost the court case it was more than an accidental bump while he tried to place his arm. Dude ruined his own life by being sleezy. He will rebuild and hopefully have learned some respect.
It looks like he is touching her ass so I do think he is at fault there or definitely part at fault. God knows why he thought he could get away with it.
But it doesn't look like his hand is right up her skirt and to be honest it would be hard to do something like that in the situation.
So i dont know. He is definitely in the wrong but has paid a heavy price.
I think the guy looks like a smirking scumbag in that picture. It's too bad he did something dumb and ruined his own life.
Now, I'm not saying he is grabbing her butt, but he sure as hell isn't grabbing air neither.
Haha!!!
Thanks for making me laugh man. This has been a frustrating thread.
Probably. I’ve done it before. I think it’s certainly possible.
I’d like to add that I wouldn’t do it at my job. There’s a clear line that comes with making money and pussy.
Also. When it comes to this. How often does she accuse people? She’s a hard working person, who certainly belongs to be where she is. I think her word is very strong, and believable.
Wait, you went up to a woman you didn't know and grabbed her ass?
Taylor swift is set ruin as men as possible's lives not just him
I agree. she always plays victim role. sing about her asshole ex-bf and stupid pointless drama that I don't fucking care about. Taylor Swift is a bad girl. Not a good role model for kids. Or girls.
Well said
No. There's no excuse for what he did. He should have gotten a lot worse in my opinion.
Jail time?
For what? You have to prove he intentionally fondled her.
He sexually assaulted a woman, he ruined his own life.
Uhm, if that's the truth, why isn't he in jail?
You dont know if she is lying and I believe that if he did what she said he did, he totally deserved the consequences.
"if he did what she said he did..."
With IF being the operative word.
Could it have happened? Sure.
Did it happen? Well never know.
You'd be surprised how handsy guys can get. But in saying that my sis did this by accident
I am sure he put his hand on her ass. You can see from the photo. But under her skirt? I don't see that. And she could have just asked for an apology.
It's hard to tell, bc photographer maybe be bribed by Taylor who wants DJ to be out.
Even if he didn't the damage is already done. She completely ruined his career and image.
You are not allowed to use this comment, anymore...
Nobody wants to grope a fucking skeleton. There's nothing to grope! No ass, no tits nothing.
Who tf is taking this seriously 😂
Rich people work in a different mindset, when they see an opportunity to capitalize on, they WILL take it.