You had a European empire once but you did not have more lands there, remember you guys had all of North Africa, Iran and most of the middle East at one time, it all went to shit during ww1.
We had our lands in Europe all the way from Greece to Vienna. Also we made Poland our vassal state for about 50 years, they became our bitch and paid us high taxes with Treaty of Bucsacz 1672. Maybe we didn't controll more than half of Europe "directly" but we did controll them with making them our vassal states.The thing which makes Ottoman Empire a European Empire is not only having lands in Europe. Europe always was the area where Ottomans were always moving and focusing to. Even Istanbul which is a Turkish city taking part in Europe continent was their capital, most of Ottoman soldiers such as Janissaries were of Balkan descent. The other thing is on 1533 Ottomans had aggreement with biggest powers of Europe back in that time, they were like today's EU ( both Habsburg and Spanish Empire's ) they signed a very humiliating treaty which is known Treaty of Constantinople 1533, and due to it's terms "representers of Europe" recognized Ottoman Sultan as the "Emperor"
https://en . m. wikipedia. org/wiki/Treaty_of_Constantinople_(1533)Can't share links just remove the space between
Haha, I can show u tons of wars between Ottomans versus Habsburgs and Poland's. Siege of Vien II was just a battle which was lost cause of Crimean Tatars disobeying to Ottomans and leaving from the Polish border, it's just all about opportunist Polaks attacking from behind when Ottoman Soldiers were in camp tho.In that movie, everything is made up for Europeans who want to see Turkey like in their own perspective lmao. It's all wrong from their costumes, Istanbul's geography, the language they speak and such.. first of all we don't have palm trees there since we don't even have desert in Turkey lmao, just typical European ignorancy.https:// youtu. be/516W2MuXXl8Vien was a battle which was lost, it doesn't even have a big place in our history because it was something small. But we do have place for treaties we had with Europeans which clearly makes them our cuck for centruies and become our vassal.
Even Ottoman Empire wasn't destroyed by Europe, just regime was changed after Ataturk kicked 5 Allied Power countries asses back to Europe. Also the video I sent u is "Battle of Mohacs" which has more important value than Siege of Vien II, because its known as one of the most shortest battles in history ( it only lasted like 2 hours ) and entire Holy Leauge army got wreckt by ma Turkish forces.
And likewise I can show tons of wars where the ottomans got wrecked right up until they went into decline and lost everything. FYI the hapburgs were inbred degenerates, half the time the ottomans were allied with France. Napoleon whipped Turkish ass in Egypt despite being outnumbered 2-1, if not for the British he would have taken Constantinople.
Lmao yeah Napoleon whipped some Turkish ass Egypt. Looks like u didn't hear shit about Cezzar Ahmed Pasha who mopped the floor out with Napoleon and kicked his French ass back to his shit hole country. https:// encrypted-tbn0. gstatic . com/images? q=tbn:ANd9GcRe3-ir1n8oHsVEUPKC4tSIWNDTmI8rNQEECP4OdqJTD-HbdKgUutDsFCo-You can't talk about history by saying "That guy would do it if he could" and such, we can't know about it. The thing is European powers, from Russia, France and Britain always tried to take Istanbul and they got an ass kick, that is the truth about it. So u don't have to cry with saying "Napoleon would take Istanbul" nah he would just mop the floor that's it. His grand son along with UK, tried to take Istanbul at end of WW1 tho, we were bakrupted, we didn't have any shit to do and we were occupied by Allied Powers.But with lead of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, we kicked ur asses back and Napoleon's grandson's lost. Europe lost.
Even in our worst times we kicked UK's ass at Gallipoli ( 1915 / WW1) and didn't let them enter to Istanbul, we did it with 15 year old kids and 80 year old men. We have huge losses in WW1 which lasted for 4 years, then we lost WW1 along with Germany and Europeans tried to occupy us. We fought against them again for 4 years, this time we won despite we had less men in country since most of them died cause of the previous war. We even couldn't get developed but kicked your asses like that anyway lmao. You ain't army national like us, u ain't true man but just cucks. Ottomans were only Allied with France around 1677, besides that u always came on us with ur Holy Leagues and high numbers. However always lost lol
Nobody had any intrest in Constantinople except the Greeks and Russians.Again the British kicked Napoleon out of the middle East and India not the ottomans.Britain had no interest in Istanbul at the end of ww1 except to secure access to to the black sea to fight the Russians. Britain had just been involved in fighting on nearly every continent, they'd defeated the ottomans but we're happy enough with their former middle eastern territories. The UK bled the Turks at Gallipoli then strategically took your empire from you. Despite being the defenders in a war that favoured the defenders the Turks barely survived Gallipoli. Look at Turkey today, the Turks lost, now they are on their hands and knees begging for German sausage.
The holy league is basically Catholic countries, the Russians and Greeks are orthodox. The germans, British, Americans, Australians, new zealanders, Canadians, scandanavians are protestants, basically the most powerful and advanced nations.
Asker,German sausage is PORK. Muslims don't eat pork.
@jacquesvol German sausage can be made from beef too.
I'm glad to see there are still some decent Turks on this site
That's the spirit! Fuck Erdogan, fuck Trump and fuck the EU! Pardon my language.
@MarketData Fuck Erdogan, fuck Trump and the US.
@Trojan_ Just a small part of Europe: Greece, the Balkan.
@jacquesvol.. and Asia minor.
Update: those are dervishes. A sect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dervish
@jacquesvol an lgbt sect of Turks
LGTB? Ididn't know that.:o
@jacquesvol Turkey has a long history of lgbt support from its sultans who had homosexual, eunuchs and hermaphrodite lovers to turkish baths where Turkish men would meet up for gay sex away from their wives.
Rather haram :)
@jacquesvol still they had lgbt rulers and homosexual meeting places
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After Obama bending over for Erdogan a change was needed.
That's a lie: Obama refused to hand Gulen over to Erdogan
Of course not. Obama tried regime change In Turkey just like in Syria and libyia
How could Turkey be what this question suggests, since it's not part of the E. U. ?
They have been trying to join for years but their human rights record is very shady
They've been trying to join since the beginning. No success. But NATO was less difficult. You'd better call them "The Sick Man of NATO".
Well they let Belgian join.
Their HQ is here: www.google.com/search
I think the fourth Reich headquarters is near by, the eurosteig.
Berlin is about 650 km from there.
We are not midle easterner we are not european either we are ural altaic people from central asia. Why dont you guys not get it.
Middle easterners are iranians and arabs.
@breakerecho Greeks too occupied Turkey for thousands of years. They must have fathered many babies during that period.
@jacquesvol they were natives there. They built all the cities the cities in Asia minor as well as most of the first cities in the black sea and southern Europe.en.m.wikipedia.org/.../File%3AAntikeGriechen1.jpg
No Altaic people in Anatolia then: just Greeks and undetermined tribes.Then came the Goths, from Sweden and Germany These Goths converted to unitarist Arianism : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfilas
@jacquesvol Atalic people lived in Mongolia when Greeks were colonizing Asia minor, southern Europe and the black sea 1100 years before the Turks arrived in asia minor. That's well before the Roman Empire, Alexander the great, the Goths and long before Christianity existed.en.m.wikipedia.org/.../File%3AAncient_colonies.PNG
Turkic migration refers to the expansion of the Turkic tribes and Turkic languages into Central Asia, Eastern Europe and the Middle East, mainly between the 6th and 11th centuries. The region of origin of the Turkic peoples is Mongolia, southern Siberia, ... The Seljuq dynasty settled in Anatolia starting in the 11th century
@jacquesvol stole Anatolia and killed, enslaved and raped the natives
Sure, I did all that on Wednesday afternoon cf.girlsaskguys.com/.../...c-8056-d4c10388bd4c.gif
@jacquesvol they conquered, they came by war
We don't care to be gay-ass European anyway, we are Turks who ruled Europe for centruies and enslaved them, and made them our bitch. Since Ottoman Empire's most of lands were taking part in Europe, we were called European Empire as well.. why would I want to be something lower tho? Lmao, that's because we had lands there nothing more.
Is that why Turkey is a shithole nowadays?
"nowadays" lmao everyone has up and downs and economic crisis. Just go tell it to your monkey looking Greek brothers who suffered from economic crisis and still suffering, or go and tell it to someone Spanish as well who are about to head collapsed and bankrupt.The situation in my country isn't also very good nowadays, but at least it's better than collapsing EU, who are into LGBT gay shit and have feminine/cuck new generation nowadays lmao
@Trojan_ Turkey never ruled Europe, just a small part of it. It's empire was taken from her in 1918.As for LGBT Turkey was the first to be tolerant of gayness in Europe and Turkish baths where a place where gay men used to go to get handjobs and have but sex. In the West the mere mention of anything Turkish or Turkish bath houses meant gay butt sex
Yeah? Then u are ignorant enough to know these baths were actually Roman and Greek thing like thousands of years ago lmao. But however Ottoman Empire was the one who adopted it, and you Europeans remained dirty cause of dying from rat sicknesses and sleeping in your own pee. West should fix itself first before talking shit lmao, yeah u guys were believing in 1000 genders tho wouldn't you? Lol
We dont care about being european? Do you europeans really think we gave a f*ck about european nation or europeans. We dont even think about you or care about you. We are not middle easterner either. We are turkic ( mongoloid ) eople who migrated to anatoliafrom middle asia to escape from chinese attacks in and we are proud of who we are and we are proud of our history.We are the nation who collapsed rome why shoud we want to join european union aka New rome
Woman is not banned from baths and we never rape young boys. Get your facts right and stop spreading falsehoods.and there was no such a thing called caucasion turkic.
Lmfao, gay ass ignorant cuck.. women had their own baths during Ottoman Empire time, because there was civilization and respect to personal space for both sides. Who said women were banned? There are even a lot of arts which show women in baths lmao.Nah, I had my DNA tests tho I am Turkic and also Trojan, Hitties whom were real owners of Anatolia. I don't really think where u from, most propably sum random European who got mixed with Anglo-Saxon, or Germanic, Slav or some shit lmao
@Trojan_ i have a lot of Germanic DNA as well as some Latin and Turkic. My great great great grandfather rescued and married Turkish girl who's evil uncle as is the custom in Turkey was trying to force her to marry him.
I don't care about Greeks, Spanish or Italian. Those are not my people, not my consern.I only really care about Uralic people. Finnish, Estonian, Sami, Ingrian, Carelian, Veps, Udmurt.As far as LGBTQ goes, I don't care about them.
Turkey was the first pro lgbt country
so what? supporting lgbt is a good thing.
Turks are ural altaic too. But anyway thisnis not the subject right now thing I wanna say is its so cringey too see europeans cry like turks are not european when turks itself dont even care about being european. Lıke I said before we are turks are ural altaic central Asian people and we are proud of who we are.
@Trojan_ Greeks too occupied Turkey for thousands of years.
@jacquesvol Greeks lived there.
So what? Turks came to anatolia from central asia in 1071. İts been nearly 1000 years and now it belongs to us.
Greeks took anatolia from hitits and sumers.Turks took anatolia from greeks.Evey land is taken by someome greeks should deal with it.Trying to invade lands just because they are ancestoral lands is bullshit.
@TengriBizMenen and maybe someone will take Turkey from the Turks soon.
They tried it in turkish independence war and failed. if someone probably greeks want to take our lands then they should try it. We are waiting for them. They can't invade us with bullying turks online or having problematic relationship with our country. Dont forget turks are not the ones who is aggresive to greeks. Greeks are the ones who is aggresive to turks.
And if we defeat those invaders again they should accept it and stop crying like babies.
@TengriBizMenen you guys are the invaders remember. The brave Greeks have already tossed you out of Greek lands, all that's left is Constantinople and Asia minor.
greeks were invaders too they stole lands from hitits and sumers.
It's capital is and it's part of the EU nearly
Lol sure they use euro in their market, they citizens vote in euro election?
We dont care about being european anyway.European union = white christian unity aka new rome. We are not christian and we are not white we are proud mongoloid yellow race.and we are the nation who destroyed rome why we should want to join european union aka new rome. Europeans was our enemies we dont need nothing from them.
No we conquered this lands and its our right to keep them.Every land in the world taken by somebody gayreeks should deal with it.
@TengriBizMenen what Rome survived. Most of the Roman Empire was carved up by Germans before the turks were even on the scene.Gaul/France for the Frank's, Belgians, Goths and alemeniHispania/Spain for the goths and vandalsTunisia/carthage for the vandalsEngland/Britannia for the Saxons, angles and jutes.Italy for the LombardBulgaria for the BulgariansRomania, macedonia for the osrogothsThe Arabs conquered most of the Roman Empire in the middle East and North Africa.The Romans held on to Rome right up until the present and the empire in the West continued under the rule of the popes while it took over 500 years to conquer the Byzantines weak from their defeats by the Germans and Arabs.Turks are right now on their hands and knees begging to suck EU cock.
You wish...We are not begging we dont want nothing from you.
No its just your wet dream. We have nothing to do with germans. Our currency loses value because of our problems between america.
Germans helping greece not turks.Dont confuse us with greeks.
@TengriBizMenen German helping Greece really? who the fuck was the ally with Germans WW1 and WW2 , oh yeah turkey was.
We are not talking about ww2 we are talking about today.
Germany spend more than 1 billion to help greece economy.
@TengriBizMenen of course turks are easy forgot what they done, like germans a big similarity.If you forget your history you will make the same mistakes.
I won't forget history I know my history.Our subject now is not our history we are talking about today. We were allies with german but not anymore today we have nothing to do with them even germans an turks hate each other. Thing I wanna say is we are not begging for them to escape us from currency collapse like Asker said. Our currency collapsing because of problems between Turkey and USA nowadays they putted sanctions on us thats why our currency losed his value. Germans can't do anything about it. There was no reason for us to beg germany. It doesn't make sense. Even If they can do something about we will still not beg germany for help. We have nothing to do with them and we have allies like china russia and iran against USA. If we need help we will get help from them not from germany or any other european country. We have nothing to do with germany or european union itself at least not anymore.
no we aren't. Stop spreading lies. A real turk never begs anyone for help. We prefer death with a honor everytime. We were allies in ww1 thats all nothing more. For ww2 we won't even joined ww2.
@breakerecho honor in turks hahaha sure you forget your history how i say, and you are not turks you are osmans mongoloids
Shut up you are a greek. Tou are the last person that can talk about honor.And we won't forget history.Ottomans are turk too. Turks belongs to mongoloid yellow race. Thing that tou say doesn't make sense.what is the meaning of you are not turk, you are osman mongoloid
Lol why are you not talking about massacres that you done to turks in balkans after ottomans losed his lands in balkans. Even my grandfather is one the victims. He was living in thesellonika then greeks burned his house just because he is turk then he comed to turkey thats how he escaped from getting killed.
You are the last persons who can blame us for massacres.
@breakerecho yeah good on the Greeks for getting revenge on those nasty Turks for hundreds of years of oppression.
Asker%80 of turks who lives in germany from comed from east side of turkey. People who lives in east side is kurds. Turks mostly live in western side of turkey. So these are people who your goverment keep supporting terrorist kurds. Not everyone who lives in turkey is turk.there was turks too in germany but most of them is kurd.
And by the way germany needed labor force in 60s. They wanted them to come germany to work. If you are not happy with turks in germany then you should call them to come in 60s.
No germany needed labor force and turks and kurds who lives in villages needed money. This is something that both side gaining something.
So what? If you are not happy then you shouldn't call them first.And like I said before %80 of people from turkey lives in germany not even turk, they are kurd. I am not responsable for them. Kurds are not my people. We have no relative with them. Turks in turkey dont even care or think about germans. We dont want anything from you.
And we will not never bend over to anyone
@breakerecho unless it's at an infamous Turkish bath house.
Yeah only people we woll bend over in front of them is turkish bath tellaks ( turkish bath workers )
No they just clean maassage. Stop acting like we are gay. We respect gay rights but that doesn't mean we are gay. We are just open minded.
You sound like you never farted in your life.And by the way nobody whistle when they fart.I heard that stereotype first time. and by the way you are racist and ignorant. No doubt people still call you germans neo nazi.Dont waste my time. Have a nice day.
No they aren't its just a stereotype that you just created in your head.
What will turks did to you? Why you hate them so much?
How do you know they are turk.and I dont believe you.
Ok I understand what kind of person you are. Dont talk to me anymore. You are just a ignorant racist troll. Turks dont wear dress and turn aroudn this is sufis do.And we dont wear fez anymore. We were wearing it 100+ years ago.
Typical german neo nazi.
google it and find it what my ancestor say "πας μη Έλλην βάρβαρος"
and one more " Ἕλληνας ἄρχειν εἰκός, ἀλλ’ οὐ βαρβάρους … Ἑλλήνων· τὸ μὲν γὰρ δοῦλον, οἱ δ’ ἐλεύθεροι " one more by Euripides
Whats the meaning of it
@breakerecho it's written for barbarians like your kind
I googled it and all sources that I find is greek. I dont understand greek language.
can you give me the definition of barbarian.
@breakerecho you can always translate it , for the first one ("πας μη Έλλην βάρβαρος" ) i will tell you we still use it after thousand of years , it's mean "Every one not a Greek is a barbarian"in simple language
I mean what makes us barbarian in your eye
And is there any nationality do you consider not barbar except greeks.
@breakerecho In my eye personally barbarians are all Muslims and fanatic religion Jews
Whic attitude of muslims and jews makes you think they are barbarian.
Ankara is far from Europe
@Deukalion you show your ignorance.Where did you go to HS?
@jacquesvol ok what make you happy mister monkey , now eat some bananas
Asker, Ankara is far from Europe.
@TengriBizMenen good turk is dead turk
We are saying same thing in turkey for greeks and arabs.
@TengriBizMenen hahah you arab whore why you think you country still exist?
We have nothing to do with arab sandmonkeys.And same reason why every country still exist.
@TengriBizMenen you are the same they your ancestors at least your half blood , otherwise you should be the same like mongolians
No we aren't.Arabs are not the only people we mixed. We are mix of 12 different ethnicitiesTurks in turkey is mix of = Turkic from central asia Balkan slav greek albanian persian arab armenian and other native tribes of anatolia.Average arab dna on turk is less than %15 . Yes we dont look mongol but we dont look arab too. All turks look different some of are white some of are brown some of are look mongoloid Asian with slant eyes.
Which Race Do I Belong according to my DNA test? ↗I asked this question this is my dna test result. My arab dna is less than % 6
@TengriBizMenen lol sure then you are probably reptile :D :D :D
No I am an ethnic Turk. Look at my dan test result middle east dna (arab and persian ) is %6 european %27 (%7 sicilian,%20 greek and albanian)%40 west asia (Caucaius) = armenian georgian azeri %16 central Asian = turkic.
Turks have nothing to do with arabs.We dotn have any realative we dont speak arabic we speak turkish which is an ural altaic language and we dont have an arab culture we have central Asian culture.
@TengriBizMenen so if you claim what you saying why Turks don't eat pork?
@TengriBizMenen Germany won billions from the Greek crisis: www.thelocal.de/.../germany-made-billions-on-greeces-debt-crisis-berlin-confirms
@jacquesvol It's important for Greeks to pay their debts as they have a long history of forfeiting on their loans hence the old saying never lend money to a greek
They not only pay their debts but billions more, because of the high interest rates.And many Greeks saw their retirement pension sharply diminished.
@jacquesvol that's the bad corrupt Greek goverment' s fault. Why should the German taxpayer be forced to pay for Greek retirement?
@jacquesvol Greece has been bankrupt and failing to pay back it's debts 6 times In 100 years.
stop talking about half truth learn all the history then speak about it, a half knowledge its worst than stupidity