Good job must have hit a nerve
Sorry, I don't follow what you mean.
Yes none of them are rapists, at all, that's why 80% of women get raped trying to cross the border, they are all angels and we need to let them all in here unvetted... so the ones that rape 80% of the women... can still rape? Guess you hate Trump more than you hate rape.
@genuinlysensitive Pump your breaks---please quote me where I said above that the US should just allow anyone into the US? Quote me where I said they were all angels? Don't make things up to try to make up some made up point unlike the fact that Trump has indeed hired illegals which is my point. How can it be such a crisis if he's willing to hire the same people he calls rapists and drug dealers? Before you get on your high horse, drugs, rape, violence happens every single day in the US by US citizens born and raised. Where is the outcry that we are in crisis in a lot of major cities? Why are anti-rape laws not stronger here in the US? Where is the crack down on gun violence and gang activity here? Before you can point a finger, get your own house in order. Not every single problem on earth started at this so called crisis ridden border. A national emergency this is not.
well doesn't mean he is following the rules that he isn't against that... I mean if you can take advantage of say a tax cut obviously you will use it... but that doesn't mean you can't be against such a loop hole just beaucse you use itthat makes no sense Im against tobacco sales but ill still have one, one day if so
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Of course it was a crisis years ago, just like how the national debt is a crisis being ignored as well. One house a day burning down a block doesn't lose it's importance just because the rhythm is sustained.
@cavmanier one house burning down per day in a nation of 127million houses is not a crisis. that's called daily life in the US. so we have a fire department to handle it. does it mean that we spend 8 billion dollars for some highly contentious measure that will not fully or even realistically address the home fire issue?
Lol the amount of houses burning wasn't the point. The point is past action on a subject doesn't determine if something needs addressing or not. It makes no sense to not have order at the border. The same democrats supported border walls 1.5 times bigger 4 years ago under Obama. Now it's bad and racist though somehow.
@cavmanier you are not painting an accurate picture. democrats and republicans supported strategic implementation of walls. not a ubiquitous 2000 mile wall. the democrats have also granted funding for similar wall installations in the last budget.So there is no difference in congresses handling of the matter under obama or trump. the difference is the president's handling of the mattertrump is called a racist for characterizations of people. it's rather ridiculous that people keep going back to previous support of wall installations when they are far from apples to apples comparisons.
Notice how you never address the main point of your response. You always go around it.Explain "strategic implementation of walls." You're just going to give a qualitative opinion. You're fabricating concepts to distract from the crux. I have no doubt dems and reps thought building a wall was strategic at the time while Trump believes the wall he proposed building is strategic as well. He proposed a 2,000 mile wall on the campaign but his proposal was for a smaller wall than built 4 years ago like I said. That doesn't matter though because both can be "strategic." I would leave wall size up to immigration experts and not your opinion of what we need.Absolutely dems have acted different in congress under Trump. What planet are you living on? You must just watch CNN and the rest of the liberal media. The fact is they supported a 1.5 times bigger wall under Obama while linking building a wall to "immorality" and "racism" and "wanting to keep brown people out." The deporter in chief, Obama, can built walls while it not be "immoral" though. Your facts are wrong.Trump is called racist by sensitive people taking him out of context. He can say banana and dems will describe him as saying tomato. He's supposedly "antisemitic" even though Israel loves him for recognizing their desired capital and even though he tries to give his Jewish son in law security clearances. He must really hate Kushner and the other Jews... You all make no sense. I know you think you understand things, but to an independent like me you're hilarious. And it's bizarre how almost all of Hollywood loved Trump a month before he ran for president. J z and Beyonce used to go to parties in Mar a Lago and even Hilary herself liked him until he runs for president. He was a good person before but then changed to bad because you all are sensitive snowflakes that have to talk in politically correct code or the person is ostracized.
@cavmanier you realize obama is not the first president to build border walls right? trump has asked for more money for border walls than any president ever called for. so how it is that obama would have built 1.5x's more mileage of walls on a lesser budget call is absurd.i haven't talked around anything. you brought democrats support for border walls during the obama regime. they and republicans supported strategic planned out installmentstrumps plan... he just wants money. first it was a wall for the whole border now it's some numbers but still no specific placement. and guess what republicans and democrats alike haven't supported the appropriation of wall funds in the 3 budgets trump has overseen.i don't know what the fuck jay-z or beyonce have to do with it. i'm not going to read closely rantings about celebrities but i can only imagine it's poor trump this and that. the simple fact is trump could get a wall if he went about it in a sensible wall. democrats have allocated funding for a wall but it wasn't what trump wanted. they appropriated more to border security than any congress has. it wasn't what trump wanted. so bitch about obama and the way he worked with congress to get border walls approved. ignore bush and that administration that also worked with congress to get border security bills put in place. absolve trump of any fault in his tact of getting a wall, his earnestness for wanting a wall, and his completely unnecessary characterizations of mexicans.
I know we had walls before Obama. That wasn't my point. Dems funded walls before Trump but they are now, according to Pelosi, "immoral." Obama's proposal was for 1.5 times bigger than Trumps. Look it up. It's kinda hard to find news like that because of how 4/5 mainstream outlets load their stories.You're just distracting for the point with all of that. The point is that controlling felons / terrorists, drugs that are killing tens of thousands annually, other crime and mitigating 1/3 of women being raped by criminals while illegally crossing are important issues. We have immigration booths on borders to control unwanted influence to the country. When people walk around them they are useless. Dems used to support the border but now that they link border security with "keeping out brown people" they think border control is trivial.J z and B have to do with the attack on his character or calling him racist. He wasn't racist one month before 1/2 of hollywood liked him. Their perception is not consistent. They don't like him because of politics and fabricate reality to suit their view. They don't like any republican. It's a rant to you because it stressed you out but that's your perception."the simple fact is trump could get a wall if he went about it in a sensible wall. democrats have allocated funding for a wall but it wasn't what trump wanted. they appropriated more to border security than any congress has. it wasn't what trump wanted."Show me proof dems would support a wall. Pelosi has been firm on no wall funding. I'm not sure what dimension you get news.My "bitch" regarding Obama was pointing out dems inconsistency. They supported walls in the past, but now, according to Pelosi, "walls are immoral." Ignore liberal media outlets for taking Trumps words out of context over and over again to suit the strawman they created.
@cavmanier "The point is that controlling felons / terrorists, drugs that are killing tens of thousands annually, other crime and mitigating 1/3 of women being raped by criminals while illegally crossing are important issues."right out of the trump playbook huh. all drug enforcement agencies (specifically the DEA) say more border walls are not going to slow trafficking nearly all trafficking comes in via roadways. obama asked for $3.8 billion for border aid. that falls short of what the democrats in the house appropriated to trump. you're going to have to supply the 1.5 evidence. 1.5 more what? more money, wall, sausages?trump was denied wall funding under two republican congresses. but i know democrats just don't support trumpwhy is there such strong denial that trump is the biggest hindrance to trump rather than blaming everyone else under the sun? republican and democratic presidents have gotten wall funding. trump has no specific sites suggested in his budget. the mileage changes with the wind. now he's asking for $8.6 billion in the next budget. again he could try to work with people or he can just try his bully tactics. one has worked for two previous administrations. one has failed 3x's for the trump administration... but i know democrats, jay-z and beyonce.
Sounds like your mad at the Trump playbook? Nothing he says can be right to you I bet.You're quoting the drug enforcement agency on expertise in sex trafficking. I don't know the data, but your stance is that walls do nothing to control crossings. I mean okay... That's not what our president has said border agency leaders are saying. Maybe he's a liar though? I'll trust my president on something that seems so common sense to be effective. Next you're going to say that the wall in Israel hasn't done anything. Right, the wall here won't doing anything either. There's no point is discussion anymore. You can think that. If he was Obama, you'd trust him and there'd be no discussion.Dems supporting a 1.5 times longer wall was quoted many times months ago. I listen to outlets where both sides get to say information like meet the press. Not CNN.No congress didn't take up immigration back then. They were working on other issues.Trump as tried to work with people. Also, he clearly brings up new funding now for whatever negotiating tactic he uses. He wants results. But the reason dems won't work with Trump now is because of politics. They want to get reelected and they know the biggest strategy against Trump is to insult his character. They have effectively attributed walls to racism. Dems are now the party of "republicans are evil racist people." They have no desire to work with him. I agree that Trump hasn't always done a great job at being the clearest of his views. He still doesn't deserve anything close to the distorted strawman dems have mans. Dems are just on Pluto now a days. Logic is not within their grasp. I used to be a social dem so I had nothing personal against the party until this "victim", "identity politics" and "everything is racist" lies. Now I see the dems as servants of the hierarchy of most offended. They are the feelings > logic party.
@cavmanier i don't give a fuck about trump's playbook. it's not for me to decide if he gets what he wants. but it si up to congress and republican and democratic one's alike haven't bought the border wall shtick... but please tell why you don't acknowledge both parties not granting trump his wall funding?"You're quoting the drug enforcement agency on expertise in sex trafficking"--uh know i'm reference the DEA's position on drug trafficking... sex trafficking / DEA seriously?" Next you're going to say that the wall in Israel hasn't done anything"-why would i say that. did i say the wall we've put in place hasn't done anything? are you done with earnest discussion and you will now just tell me what i think?this victimhood of trump is so pathetic. i didn't support obama's wall in 2014. i didn't support the wall in 2006. but please tell me what i think and support. trump tried to work? he threatened to shut the government down in December before even proposing the wall. how is that working with congress? he shut it down for over a month... how is that working with congress? he vilifies democrats who did the same thing republicans did for two years (not fund his wall)... how is that working with congress?all i've said is trump's tact and earnestness is why he hasn't succeeded. he hasn't laid out a strategic plan. where the wall will go. why exactly it will go there. he has simply moved the goal posts time and time again and made the whole matter a political game show. i've said repeatedly his tact is the problem... i've never ONCE said i don't think wall installations may be good or bad.
stick to what is said instead of the immature you writing my narrative to serve your argument.
Liam: What you fail to mention, is that illegal immigration has been way down for years. Also failed to mention: 1) Illegal aliens have a lower crime rate than do born Americans. 2) The great majority of drugs like heroin, etc., come in through legal check points. Also not mentioned, is that if Republicans would work with the immigrants, they would be speaking English much sooner. Along with this, is that Republicans want illegal immigrants, because they can hire them cheap. The can hire them cheap, just as Trump does. He's a hypocrite. He decries illegal immigration, but hires them himself.
Illegals are not immigrants, they are invaders.
@genuinlysensitive : You are just like so many Trump cult members. You want to change the meaning of words in the language, to fit your warped political beliefs. IMMIGRANT is the proper word in English, look up the definition.
Also El Paso, San Diego, and several other border cities are "legal points of entry" thus making that ridiculous claim technically true, if intentionally misleading:And lumping in Immigrants with illegals does make those numbers seem lower than the average population, however once you realize the ploy, and separate the immigrants from illegals yes they commit crimes higher than both citizens and immigrants:thehill.com/.../327229-crimes-by-illegal-aliens-not-legal-immigrants-are-the-realwww.washingtontimes.com/.../
@genuinlysensitive : I see you are spouting off that right wing propaganda, as if it's real news. Just like Fox does. No wonder you don't know what's going on. I'm sure that's how Trump keep his cult in line, they limit themselves to right wing propaganda, and actually think it's news.
That's a "not as bad" fallacy. Even if you are right, the past has nothing to do with whether a current situation is a crisis.
@cavmanier Maybe. But it's just not. But hey, keep falling for right-wing fear mongering propaganda if it makes you feel woke or whatever. It has worked in the 30s in Germany, why shouldn't it work now?So much for the past not mattering. You fucking right-wing clowns are lost causes.
It's not a crisis, that's simply made up. You're a brainwashed fool if you believe it is, simple as that.Not intersted in wasting my time with lost causes.
Yea tell that to the border patrol members who got their heads bloody from illegals throwing rocks but I guess since it isn't happening to anyone you know you could care less
@Triple7s... The fuck are you talking about? You mean, the normal work that border patrol agents do? As in, policing? Policing is occasionally dangerous? Whaaat? Whoa! Stop the presses! Are you an idiot? That's like saying ANY police work is a "national crisis."
So says CNN.
I never watch cnn I watch the Dutch state’s unbiased news
Have the bothered to show you the shithole that is now Los Angeles (in fact, our entire west coast) because of all the illegals living on the streets in tents and taking a shit in public ON the streets?
That isn't true. And just on the basis of 1/3 girls crossing the border illegally being raped, I'd call it a crisis. We call floods and hurricanes disasters. This is clearly a much bigger problem, but since liberals act like racism is the motivation for an immigration policy, they lose all sense of ability to understand these basic concepts.
@FunkyMonkee You need to provide us with evidence that LA's homeless problem is caused by illegal immigration, _and_ that CNN is lying about II numbers. Somehow I have the feeling that you'll make excuses or cite mere anecdotes in an attempt to do so.
@JenSCDC Well, if making excuses and citing anecdotal evidence is good enough for you, it's good enough for me. Why is it you ignorant assholes can't be bothered to do your own research? OH! I know!! Because if CNN says everything's fine, you just blindly believe them!! It took me all of about 90 seconds to find this video and there are a few dozen more where that came from!! Anyway, here, take a look at this. What kind of excuses does CNN make for this?https://youtu.be/KWQJWOIDnw0
@FunkyMonkee Where's the beef?
@JenSCDC Ladies & gentlemen, I give you, Clara Peller!
Tell that to all the border patrol people who got their heads smashed with rocks by illegals
Interesting on two notes. One, how I never heard that at all. Two, how that constitutes A national emergency that would require taking money from disaster relief and legitimate military operations and structural repairs or buildings like hospitals
And I have seen the photos after the migrant caravan did it last time the bottom line when someone rushes the border they do not belong here do it the right way or don't come here at all and you are worried about the president using money from other stuff but don't you realize all the money the US wastes on things that help no US citizens? All the foreign aid we give away and money we waste on taking in refugees and asylum seekers? Are you really gonna bash the president for doing something that needs to be done?
I don’t give a shit about his policies on immigration, nor what we do with federal funding. What I don’t approve of however, is the wall that does not work and will not work. Cartels and traffickers are known to take people through legitimate ports of entry, and underground tunnels and not to mention on airplanes. Oh fun fact. Most illegal Immigrants are caught at airports. So yes I have issues with him essentially stealing money from actual things that need help like with disaster relief programs, to find a stupid fucking wall that only him and his few supporters want and does not work
And also he still a fucking idiot and a liar. I love how you didn’t argue that point, but instead went on about immigrants
He is no more a liar than Obama or any other President and when someone hates a President as much as you hate him it has nothing to do with the man it is about your political party. My dad worked for Donald Trump for years was around Trump many times he was great to his employees a great person all around he used to give random people free money to gamble on the casino floor you are just someone who is brainwashed by CNN. And don't get me wrong both sides are brainwashed by cable news but Trump gets it the worst.
Agreed. Politicians are all liars. So why defend his lies? Lol and how should I know you’re telling the truth? Would you believe me if I said I worked for Clinton for years now? Of course not. Hmm I wonder why? Maybe it’s because not even half the country likes him?
Protecting The Border IS A LEGITIMATE MILITARY OPERATION!!! That is the WHOLE POINT of having borders and an army!
No it isn’t. Illegal immigration is down. It is certainly isn’t legitimate Enough to warrant taking money away from disaster relief funds or military upkeep. Not when it fucking doesn’t work.
@BlackDawn you are the type of person who just goes with the in opinion over the facts Donald Trump is anti-establishment that is why a lot of people hate him but they get in your weak little mind and make you think things that aren't true that he is a racist but he isn't and if Trump lies he didn't lie anywhere near as bad as Obama did or anybody else
Good god that’s a long as fuck sentence lol. Ever hear of punctuation marks dude?
I have my own issues with Trump but here is the difference you are all about groupthink I am a free thinker you fall for mob mentaly BS you hate Trump because the media lies and gets away with it I am not saying he has done nothing wrong but turn on the news and he is all over it getting bashed whether he does the right thing or not
I can think for myself lol I don’t give a fuck about the media. I hate him for the shit he says on camera and his dumbass twitter feed. I don’t need the media to portray him a certain way, he does that his own damn self. So fuck off.