It seems Abu Bakr al Baghdadi who we considered dead has resurfaced in DAESH propaganda: www.independent.co.uk/topic/abu-bakr-al-baghdadiwww.ademocracynet.com/index.php
Ya thats trueI think the world is grateful of the crusaders because if not islam could of been far more wide spread because of it
Well yes and no because whilst the crusades were a nessecary evil unfortunately they are also responsible for sending the most advanced race on the planet pretty much back to the stone age.It may surprise a lot of people but once Muslims were the most technologically advance people on the planet
Thats probably a good thingLook at what they do today with relatively poor technology. No way is an islamic world, a caliphate a desirable option We’d have no musicNo clubsNo barsNo sportsWe wouldn't have anything today if it was up to muslims because its all haram
That's a very good point, but what is to say that by being technological would change how they are today if you know what I mean
Dazed: The reason for the crusades was not because Muslims were conquering all. The stated reason for the crusades included Muslims not allowing Christian pilgrims into the Holy Land, as if that is a reason for numerous wars. And another stated reason for the Crusades was to take over the Holy Land and make it Christian. If you read the real history of the crusades, not the glossed over versions, it was pretty bad. I'm not saying the Muslims were any better, but the Christians were pretty bad too, in at least some of the crusades, such as the children's crusade, where thousands of children were sent to the Holy Land to conquer it, and large numbers of them wound up as slaves.
OK cheers for the correction
@markscott the Muslims were conquering all at the time. Spain, northern Africa, Asia minor, scily, crete, Cyprus, pirate raids on Christian lands in Italy, southern France, Greece etc.
I thought so thank you who ever you are 😁
Asker: Yes, it was a time of war. This foolishness about it being a holy crusade is garbage. Muslims had been attacking Europe off and on for centuries. And the Europeans under the pope, attacked the Holy Land, instead of where the Muslim armies were. And again, keep in mind the children's crusade, where in 1212 European children from France and Germany, converged in Italy, to travel to the Holy Land to free it for Christians. Instead, they were tricked by merchants, and sold into slavery in Muslim lands. None of them reached the Holy Land.
@markscott but I think we can all agree its a positive that more regions aren't islamic... whatever the reasons were, the crusaders gave us freedom in the west...
@TripleAce : Where did you ever get the idea that the crusades stopped Islam from going into Europe? Islam was already in Europe, and instead of the crusades going to meet the Muslim armies in Europe, then went to the Holy Land, where their efforts were all but wasted. The crusades didn't stop the Muslims, and more than baloney sandwiches stop ants.
@markscott I didn't say they stopped Islam from going into Europe... I just said whatever the crusaders did stop... thats probably a good thing
@TripleAce : Well, that's probably not accurate either, as Islam wasn't terribly affected by the crusades, except locally, as far as I know. And the local was Palestine. Islam, by that time, had spread way beyond Palestine in all directions.
@markscott prevention I guess... sure its current state wasn't effected much maybe but who knows what could of occurred if they weren't met with resistance of some sort
You mustn't have met many Muslims.
I’m friends with five Muslims, I work with one and my friends boyfriend is Muslim. They never cause me grief. Could that change later? Of course, but so far, the only ones that cause me grief are Christians. Christians also make up the vast majority of the people around me.
I'm sure that's true lol
You can believe what you like. People like you rarely ever see the truth, much less accept it.
It's never hard to guess who's responsible
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@Rissyanne your right, their first move is to excuse the attacks as justified
The attacks are aa consequence of the Tamil Tiger clashes of the last years.
@Rissyanne you didn 't even read the articles I linked to.
@Rissyanne I hear the UK is to do more to protect Christians around the world which is a good step.
Hell no why would I read your shit. It’s bias.
So what you are saying is that they deserved to be killed
@Rissyanne quote me
Look at your post.
Everyone is hunting muslims, because Islam was erected by the sword...literally more than half the world is at war with muslims but those same people are not at war with each otherthis is all gibberish jacquesvol
@TripleAce Christianity too was spread by violence, long before Islam. Starting when Constantine converted.
Constantine was already involved in a civil war when he converted. Other religions were tolerated in his reign. The Roman empire never expanded in his reign but was consolidated.
Christianity was about sacrifice my man. Jesus died on the cross for us. Thats the punchlineThere is no sacrifice in the quran. There is no love in the quran. Muhammad was a warlord that went on a killing sprea and raped. Thats the punchline for islamWar will always exist. Its the ideology that will stick
You forgot About hindiusm. Based in spiritual loveYou forgot about buddhismYour natural instinct to constantly bring up christianity is somewhat strange. Are you muslim? Because tbats a inherent muslim trait to be conditioned to always attack christians
@TripleAce jac is the typical liberal and you know they defend Muslims no matter what they do
@Rissyanne but what i find strange is that his responses dont address muslims. But they simply point the finger at Christianity as if its some type of duality. They are totally different things
@TripleAce you see it after a terror or gang rape attack, their first instinct is not to protect the Muslim perpetrators.
@TripleAce I don't hold ALL Christians responsible for Reagan's G-W Bush' or Obama's war crimes.
Did they committ them will inciting Jesus? Besides none of which matched what you Belgians did in the Congo, even Hitler would have blushed.
I wouldn't expect anyone toAmerica is a mutli diverse country. Its not controlled by Christianity nor does Christianity control every aspect of ones lifeWhy would we blame Christianity? Is the white house a house of god? Do you see religious symbols in courts of law or professions like teachers or lawyers? Does the white house have a picture of jesus on it? We are going in circles here
If it is Christian against Muslim you will take up for the Muslim
@TripleAce exactly. There's no religious courts having people stoned to death here.
Many in the northern valleys of India
Your claim was about America not India. Our answer was given based on your claim to America
Now if you want to move to india sure. But that means you accept that your claim is inaccurate or you that you dont have enough evidence to back up that claimThen sure. We can talk about india
@TripleAce jac bashes America all the time.
@Rissyanne Only bad minded Conservatives , like you
@Rissyanne he fails to admit how his people committed mass genocide in Africa
That was a German whose dad was appointed King of Belgium by the British and the Germans.A British consul in Congo made it known to the world and the Berlin Conference forced him to cede Congo to Belgian state, which happened in 1908
@Rissyanne see he's worse than a holocaust denier. Its like a German blaming Austria because Hitler was born there.
I don't deny Leopold did it
Along with the Belgian people
They stayed away from Leopold and his Germans
Stayed away in the Congo killing Africans
Germans continued in Africa: en.wikipedia.org/.../German_South_West_Africa
Funny because it never happened in any other German African colony. Just the one the Belgians had.
It happened in conquered Europe
And in Slavic countries
True but the Germans were more humane in their genocide than the Belgians.
Once German Leopold was out of it, the genocide stopped.
Actually once other countries shammed the Belgians for what they were doing it stopped.
Once the Belgian state took Congo over from Leopold it stopped
I'm sure it did.
Yea but most Christians are not known for suicide bombings actually none are and also Christians aren't as crazy to think they will get 72 virgins if they do it
@VeggieCalzone : And most Muslims are not known for suicide bombings. Just as most Christians are not known for following the funerals of fallen American service men, and disrupting the services, because the died supposedly because of homosexuality. Yes, not most Christians, but some Christians did. And some Christian dies in Jonestown in mass suicide. Are you going to brand all Christians for these act? Or you you going to be more reasonable, and blame some Christians for these acts, and blame some Muslims for their acts?
I am the first one who will say all Muslims aren't like that but you have to admit it is always happening in recent years and if you say anything about it well then you are just racist
@VeggieCalzone : You won't hear racist from me, if you talk about what the Muslims have done in Sri Lanka. You may hear me say racist, if you lump all Muslims together in one group, as if they are all suicide bombers. I'm not down playing the horrific things Muslims have done in the past 19 years and more. They have wrecked havoc and death to innocent people innumerable times. It's just that a minority of Muslims do this. And I didn't even say a small minority, but a minority. Though is may be a small minority. More research needs to be done to clarify just how large the minority is. I'm no friend of these types of Muslims, but one of the reasons I don't want to lump them all in together, is because doing that makes it easier to truly radicalize them and use them as terrorists.
But these flagellators aren't killing innocent people, are they?Ben Shapiro did a video based on collected data and found that close to 2/3 of the planet's Muslims are radical.
@jacquesvol yeah Sadam killed how many Iraqis
Not as many as G-W Bush
@jacquesvol yeah a lot more.
@VeggieCalzone : Most Christians are not know for suicide bombs, as you say, and neitehr are most Muslims. However, many Muslims know Christians as being those who helped Jews take over Palestinian land from Muslims, even after Muslims living in Palestine at the time, wanted the numbers of Jews coming in, to be limited in number. (Just like Trump wants Hispanic coming to America to be limited) And it's not well known in the West, but Jewish terrorists many times killed Palestinian Muslims in Palestine, in order to take over Palestine. So Muslims know Christians as those who support the terrorists who murdered many Muslims, and repeatedly so.
Trump never said limit hispanics he said keep illegals out when has he ever said limit hispanics?
@VeggieCalzone : Trump doesn't have to say Hispanics in every case. Trump has already solidified his credentials as a racist. Among other times, he did this when he said a son of Mexican parents could not be a fair judge, only because his parents were Mexican. And helped solidify it, when Trump said African countries were s---hole countries, and wondered aloud, why we didn't get people from Norway - where people mostly have blond hair and blue eyes. Racist is, as racist does. And Trump certainly does act and speak as a racist.
They are shithole countries that doesn't make Trump a racist the countries are shitholes it has nothing to do with the race of the people there it is people like you that divides the United States
@VeggieCalzone "Shithole" is just a geographic slang for a place where quality of life is really, REALLY bad. It's not racist
@ZeussLightningBolt Exactly a racist word has never came out of Trump's mouth ever
@VeggieCalzone He just generalizes a lot, but if you look at the statistics, can you really blame him?
My dad used to work for Trump and spoke to him on occasion back in the day Trump treated everyone great every employee was great to all white, black or whatever. Trump even used to give random people free money to gamble.
@VeggieCalzone Are you serious? I'm assuming before he was president. If you weren't from Jer sey, I wouldn't believe you
I have watched the liberals put words in the guy's mouth repeatedly and even though I believe he is just a puppet for the secret societies as was all presidents Trump is not too bad a guy
" Trump even used to give random people free money to gamble."LOL! That's AWESOME! I'm assuming to use at HIS casinos
@ZeussLightningBolt Yes back in the day at his casinos
Hispanics are not a race, they are a group that speaks spainish. You can't be racist to a language anymore than you can be to a religion
@VeggieCalzone Are the Pittsburgh shooter, the Christchurch shooter, the San Diego shooter and Breivik Christians?
Earnest is a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, said Pastor Zachary Keele, who leads the Escondido church. "It's a deplorable act of wickedness," said Keele. "I'm still in shock... I'm kind of numb." (Usatoday)
@jacquesvol Anybody who was Christian and did any of those things in the US was just some lone wolf nut working alone Islam terrorists work together in groups you can't compare some mentally ill people who call themselves Christians but don't live by the bible to Islamic extremism
@VeggieCalzone Agreed. There's no Christian terror attacks in Islamic countries. Wasn't brevnik an atheist anyway.
John Earnest is a presbyterian Christian. That doesn't mean all Christians shoot up synagogues
@jacquesvol is he or is he a former Christian like the majority of atheists?
A Presbyterian said his pastor to USATODAY.Earnest is a member of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, said Pastor Zachary Keele, who leads the Escondido church. "It's a deplorable act of wickedness," said Keele. "I'm still in shock... I'm kind of numb."www.usatoday.com/.../36
Atheists don't go shooting up synagogues or arsoning mosques (or churches
@jacquesvol I really don't see your point because nobody is saying all Muslims are terrorists
@VeggieCalzone read more.
@jacquesvol This latest shooting the guy hated Trump and Israel he was no Republican
Anybody can be part of a Church it doesn't mean they truly believe in Jesus it just means they are a sicko who goes to church a wolf in sheep's clothing
Jesus is about love other religions demand some sacrifice of some kind and idiots do it because they are morons
@VeggieCalzone Thus heshot up a mosque (with an AR15) out of love?
@jacquesvol Not in the name of God that is for sure.
@jacquesvol didn't Charlie hebdo get shot up with military ak74s bought from Brussels gun markets?
After the US shot up Yugoslavia, and sent us thousands of Kosovars, AKs were dirt cheap here
@jacquesvol so you were in favour of genocide in Yugoslavia. Also aks were everywhere in Europe after the end of the cold war and because you guys have no boarders. It's how terrorists are able to buy guns in the terror markets of Brussels and attack throughout Europe.
I livein Brussels and wouldn't know where to buy one
@jacquesvol thats ok, I lived in Detroit but didn't know where to buy cocaine.
In the US? The bouncer of any club will furnish it.
@jacquesvol true. In Brussels too.
The last time I went to a club was + 50 years ago
@jacquesvol it's changed espicially in Europe. I was in a club in Germany last year and a group of middle eastern guys surrounded myself and a friend and started groping us. If not for some really nice polish guys scaring them away I dont know what would have happened.
Ooh, you were groped. Are you sure the gropers weren't Greek?
@jacquesvol no they were middle eastern. Arabs I think.
Do you understand Greek or Arabic?
@jacquesvol a bit of Greek. I had Greek neighbours.
@jacquesvol unless your trying to say Greeks and Arabs look a like but that would be racist.
I too have Greek neighbors
@jacquesvol and you think they look like Arabs?
!!! ALLAHU AKBAR !!!
@ecfresh whaf about the million Iraq Muslims killed by G W Bush?
No, first answer my question please. How can bombs = peace?
@jacquesvol seemed to do the trick on all queda
@ecfresh there was no liink between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
@ecfresh Bush dropped US bombs. So did Obama
@jacquesvol does that include the sanctions voted for by Belgium?
Our govt behaves like a sheep when Washington DC asks anything :p
@jacquesvol atheist shoots up new Zealand mosque?
But this afternoon, DAESH took responsibility www.reuters.com/.../islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-sri-lanka-bombings-idUSKCN1RZ102
@Anonymous Asker The Christchurch killer is a white supremacist, inspired by a French and a Norwegian supremacist both defenders of Christianity.
I’ll ask you both one more time. How do bombs equal peace?I will assume if you can’t answer my question you are claiming ignorance on this topic and any more responses are to be ignored.
That's more than terrorists did that year
@jacquesvol Obama did drop a lot of bombs.
So did G-W Bush and Trump continued
@jacquesvol not as many bombs as Obama and in fewer countries
@jacquesvol innocent lives were not the target
@TripleAce one thing about Bush was he used to lock terror suspects up in Guantanamo but Obama instead dropped 1000lb bombs from drone aircraft instead regardless of guilt or collateral damage.
Christianity is harmless real Christianity not organized religion BS
@VeggieCalzone This is your opinion and I respect it but the fact that there are Christian fanatics like kKK. As thatMassacres and bloody killings in Bosnia and Herzegovina against Muslims
Someone can be a Christian and still be in the KKK but it is not the same thing. KKK are horrible assholes and they hurt people but they are not doing mass killings with bombs.
@VeggieCalzone I wish you were right. :(
@VeggieCalzone The number of deaths of the First World War and the second and the reason of this war, the use of nuclear bombs on Japan and the collapse of the economy caused by Muslims !!What is this exclusion and absurdityWhat did non-Muslims do in your opinion?
For the ones who are down voting me: I am Sri Lankan and I am a Buddhist.
You want me to tell you about the dark history of Islam the continues today?
Go and research the history of christianity
Go research the history of Islam
The real history. Like the invasion and theft of Christian lands as well as Indian and African lands
I thought white Europeans did that. For example the UK, France and Spain.
@PrettyRegular North Africa, Asia minor, the middle East, the holy land, Somalia, Ethiopia were all Christian lands. The Muslim Mughals lost India to those powers.
I like being able to drive.
You can always drive my camel.Wanna be my 4th wife?
Thats not trueBuddhism and Hinduism surely aren't
And countries without religion are evil. The two countries that have killed the most millions of their own people in the last hundred years, are bot atheist countries. The Soviet Union and Communist China. So lack of religion is even more evil, as it kills even more people.
@markscott so if your argument only valid within the last 100 years?
@TripleAce I disagree
@jacquesvol how so?
@TripleAce isn't the majority in the US Christian? Isn't G-W Bush Christian? www.reuters.com/.../iraq-conflict-has-killed-a-million-iraqis-survey-idUSL3048857920080130
@jacquesvol what does usa or christians have to do with hindiusm and buddhism lolAlso even if it did. Thats during conflict from both sides, Innocent people are collateral damage its not anyone’s target
@TripleAce Buddhism and Hinduism are as violent as otther religions
@jacquesvol yes I know your stance on that, you keep saying thathowever how do you explain the fact we don't have people attacking other countries in the name of hinduism or buddhism? Key words here, other countries thats your job to explain that and if you can't how can I take that statement seriously?
@TripleAce see wha hey do to Muslims in Myanmar and what they did in Sri Lanka as "Tamil Tigers"
@jacquesvol I just said im not talking about local within border conflicts... that will always exist im talking about international threats...show me Tamil Tigers attacking a building in Australia... or Russia, or china... or where in the name of buddhism...then ill believe it otherwise thats a empty statement and ill have to conclude its false
@TripleAce The Sri Lankan Civil war was very costly, killing over 100,000+ civilians and 50,000+ fighters from both sides of the conflict. The "Tamil Centre for Human Rights" recorded that from 1983 to 2004, ... The Sri Lankan military estimates that up to 22,000 Tamil Tiger rebels were killed in the last three years of
@jacquesvol Ya thats internal conflict its not terrorism against other countries in the name of buddhism im not sure what you are trying to say here...1. Im asking to show me consistent violence, not civil war or internal conflict, external to the country in the name of religion from hindus of buddhist... and one example is simple not sufficient, you will need at least 5 for each otherwise, I think that statement holds truehinduism and buddhism are peaceful to the world
@TripleAce thankfully the UK is going to start doing more for persecuted Christians
After how many terrorist attacks will it stop being a generalisation 😂
@SpunkNugget till there exist a Muslim who doesn't have anything to do with terrorism.