- Thank God I don't live in that inbred hellhole state.
- If I were a woman living in Alabama, I'd move out as soon as possible.
- I have no opinion of this.
- I agree with the law.
But yet we can't invest more in more ways to try to solve the opioid crisis in a better manner
I think that if a man is interested in having children then he should actually get to know the woman and her beliefs. I told my boyfriend that I personally am not into having kids but if it were to happen I wouldn’t abort. I told him I am on bc and me being upfront about my beliefs should allow him to always take his precautionary methods if he doesn’t want kids. And if it ever came down to it, for him not to expect me to have an abortion. That’s my case. I believe that women should be able to decide what happens with their bodies because no one is telling a guy that he can’t get a vasectomy (hence “killing” his potential kids). I do not agree with late term abortions. Early stage is still so early that even the pregnancy itself is highly susceptible to a natural miscarriage. At the end of the day, I think of it this way, if a pregnant woman is murdered and whoever murdered her is guilty of a double homicide, then at at stage it shouldn’t legal to abort. Because it’s hypocritical to penalize someone for “taking” a life and not consider that same baby a life just because the mother chose to terminate it. But ultimately, men have made decisions for us and still continue to. We don’t have any jurisdiction over their bodies and what they do with it, and neither should they. If they don’t want their future child aborted, he should get to know the person he’s being intimate with and establish whether he can deal with her beliefs or not. Point blank period.
The law was specifically designed to challenge Roe v Wade. The language, the law and everything in it were designed to be brought before the Supreme Court. While I don’t agree with the law as written I believe it has a good chance of ending up before the Supreme Court and ending the abomination of free endless McDonalds style abortion that pervades the left. To that end I believe it may be necessary.
I agree with it. USA has become way too loose, it’s time they tighten the system up a bit. Abortion in most cases is not needed at all, in fact the VAST MAJORITY is simply just murder. By making something like abortion legal, ultimately you are promoting the murder of innocents.
Lol, if I lived there and got pregnant against my will or wasn't emotionally and economically ready to have a child my ass wouldn't hesitate to fly to Canada or any other state in the us where abbortion is legal, and get an abortion. An injust law isn't gonna stop me.🖕😂🖕
You know you’re living in a fucked up society when women rejoice over laws that sanction the murder of full term babies, and rage over laws that prevent it.
I hope it stays and other states follow. We should have never been ok with sacrificing our children do to irresponsibility. If a woman is raped she can take the plan b pill to greatly lessen the chance of pregnancy. But if she does I would hope she would remember it's still her baby. A part of her. there's plenty of good people out there that would take that child. I doubt the law will stay. But I pray it does.
That's not true though? They have exceptions for rape and incest and the original definitely had exceptions for risk to the mother: www.al.com/.../...et-key-committee-vote-today.html
You and the media, are intentionally misrepresenting the ban. Its okay to disagree with it but at least be honest about what is actually in the bill instead of making things up and sensationalizing it. Now to be fair, I agree with greater restrictions on abortions because quite frankly the only way your getting pregnant is by personal choice and with the ease of getting contraceptives (of many different kinds) their really is not reason why any one should be getting pregnant unless its either intentional or the just being lazy. Now if the ban actually did have no exceptions due to rape or what have you, yes that would be unacceptable but that's not the case. You can argue that its not enough time (six weeks), I think that's an argument that one can have about it (though I don't think that much more time should be needed and again, if your pregnant unless it was rape it was because of your own choices (so why kill an unborn child that only exists because you forced it into existence (seems rather messed up, to punish it for your own actions)), but other wise I don't see why its a big issue except in that its essentially demanding that people actually take responsibility for their actions.
-Should we make a law that forces people to donate their organs if they could save someone else's life?
-No, absolutely not, what about body autonomy?
-Oh, and how about a law that forces women to go through pregnancy?
- YES, IT SHOULD BE THE LAW EVERYWHERE
Anti-choice people just lack in any brain. They clearly don't understand the concept of bodily autonomy
Abortion is not the only thing being criminalized with these bills passing in alabama, ohio and georgia.
birth control? punishable by prison time.
miscarriages? punishable by prison time.
traveling to another state where it is not a felony to have an abortion, to have a safe abortion? punishable by prison time.
A 12 year old girl was raped, impregnated, and is now being FORCED to COPARENT with her attacker.
Pissed. This is ridiculous.
A woman has the right to do what she wants with her body and not have someone speak for her.
I do believe it will get appealed though, it won't last
First - and I say this as no fan of President Trump - you are Exhibit A for why the Democrats lost the WH in 2016 and if the attitude of condescension persists are apt to do it again.
"Clinging to guns and religion." The "Deplorables." It was not sufficient to have an honest serious moral and political argument, it was necessary to demean of whole class of people. To wit, the Democrats lost the lower middle income and blue collar voters who had once been the very backbone of the Democratic party. The Trump presidency to follow.
Your arrogance - not to mention your moral unseriousness - if replicated again this election, will mean a second Trump presidency. Indeed, the difference between Mr. Trump and open minded liberals such as yourself is less than you seem to understand.
Second, on the abortion question, I will cheat a bit and offer my reply to another question in this site: What do you think about abortion?
Third, as to this specific law it is, whatever one thinks of the merits of Roe v. Wade, unconstitutional on its face. As even the Governor of Alabama admits and is why the law is - at this point - unenforceable.
By the way, even Justice Ginsburg - arguably the Supreme Court's most liberal (as Americans use the term "liberal") - has argued that the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade, while she supports the outcome, was too sweeping and poorly reasoned. It is possible to get a result one supports based on faulty reasoning. The broken clock being right twice a day and all that.
It is that point that is generating laws like that in Alabama. The states are passing these laws in the hopes of bringing the abortion case back to the Supreme Court. The assumption being that there exists a majority now to overturn Roe.
That is almost certainly wrong. While the Court does indeed have a conservative majority, that majority both thinks Roe poorly reasoned and is also committed to precedent and stare decisis. To wit, precedent matters and while the Court might over time narrow the scope of abortion rights, after more than 40 years it is not apt, as a matter of constitutional law, to abolish them.
Indeed, paradoxically, laws like that in New York - which skirt the line of endorsing infanticide - are much more likely to set the stage for the restriction on abortion rights than anything Alabama has passed. In truth, there is likely not even the 4 votes on the Court necessary to hear the Alabama law. It will be ruled - obviously - unconstitutional in a lower court and the Supreme Court's majority will not quibble with that.
New York, on the other hand, runs afoul of the third trimester and viability limits on abortion that have become precedent by default. That more obviously opens abortion rights to court challenge than does something so already obviously foreclosed as what Alabama did.
Throw in that the country - as a matter of public opinion - is broadly opposed to abortion in the third trimester and the New York law is much more likely to lead to the restriction on abortion rights. In that there is more than a touch of irony and all the brouhaha over Alabama should not cause advocates on either side to lose sight of the real legal arguments as against the silly media hype.
However, as the sour and self-aggrandizing tone of your question suggests, the presumption of the moral superiority of one's own side will cloud political judgment. The result is likely that those in Alabama will be disappointed by what their side's action produces.
Indeed, in the short term may have political costs on the national stage. The nation is broadly pro-choice - except in the third trimester where it is emphatically opposed. However, in the end, overreach in places like NY will do for Alabama what Alabama could not do for itself.
Withdraw all sexual activity with guys. See how long they last!
Alternatively, use you effin' votes to get rid of the lawmakers!
It will get overturned by the circuit courts. If the circuit courts have disagreeing opinions it will go to the Supreme Court and the Supreme court will either say "This was already covered by Roe v Wade, rethink your opinion" and send it back down to the circuit court that disagreed with Roe V Wade. (Most likely)
Or the Supreme Court will hear new arguments and decide based on what it hears.
The Supreme Court is not likely to overrule their prior decision. on Roe V Wade.
Roe V Wade was decided in favor of abortion with 6 Republican appointed Justices and 3 Democrat. 2 of the Republicans dissented.
The current court is 5 Republican appointees and and 4 Democrat appointees.
While Roberts, the Chief Justice, has sided with some limitations to abortions, such as partial birth abortions, he sided with funding of Planned Parenthood. He also refused to join with Thomas's opinion that Roe V Wade should be reversed.
So we easily have the 4 Democrats that would vote it down and Roberts as likely to agree with them. But, Kavanaugh agreed with Robert's opinion on the Planned Parenthood decision. Which means that the likely 5 to 4 in favor of overturning Alabama's law may even be a 6 to 3.
Anyone who agrees with this law is sick and Disgusting. An 11 year old rape victim couldn’t even get an abortion. She’s a baby herself. Hell if you’re so against abortion then get a vasectomy.
It's a shame that a woman who was rapped can't abort the fetus and will now face a felony. It's a damn shame.
We all know how hard it will be for a product of rape to live knowing that they're a rape child. A damn shame.
The real question should be : are they going to pay for all of the therapy needed for these children. Nope. They won't.
I'm agree with the law and it's one of the most humane abortion laws that have ever been made where it's the doctors who would be held responsible for the abortions. Since women often doesn't know what an abortion is all about and doctors not always telling all the details, it would be fair to only hold the doctors responsible until the information gets improved and more widespread. In addition they allows exceptions like if it's a danger for the mother's health.
Abortion is in generally speaking an inhumane practice where they're not only ending a life of another human being, but also doing it in a painful way were they're tearing the limbs to the child apart, crushing the head and so on. When they use medications instead of surgeries the child would be starved and choked to death because of the nutrition and airways would be blocked in addition to the acid similar medication would have a corrosive effect on the child. So they're basically getting eaten up by burning "acid".
That's what the pro-choicers are technically supporting and how an abortion is performed. It's also important to not forget the amount of women regretting abortion and that doesn't speak up because of fear of feminism-shaming.
Why can't they ban wars, genocides, guns and drugs? If they care about the human life, there are so many things they can ban other than abortions. There are literally living human beings getting killed and people starving, there are so many we can do if we care about the human life.
If people care more about unborn babies than living humans that means they are just anti-women.
These prolifers should be arrested or put through a sword for trying to dictate what a woman should do with her body.
Usually its these inbred Catholics or Christians who preach pro-life and they should stick to their beliefs not try to push it down women's throats.
A foetus is NOT a life. And I can decide to remove it I want to. If people respect life so much then stop killing animals , eating meat, torturing gay people as all these HAVE LIFE.
Pro life. I'm not letting irresponsible women use the horrible experience of rape victims to justify avoiding responsibility for piss poor decisions. Most women today who get abortions due not make up rape/incest occurrence. Most abortions being done today are women who having irresponsible sex and to use the plight of rape victims as your get out jail free card is disgusting to me and you loose all my respect as a woman.
I chose "no opinion" but then I read that it's illegal even for rape victims and women in impending death, and yeah that's awful.
Rape victims don't deserve to be retraumatized every day for 9 months with a reminder of the rape, & also the pain/nausea it causes.
And women in impending death may have abortions as a method of self-defense.
I do NOT agree with this. This is fucking terrible and if any of you agree with these people you have a special seat waiting for you in hell.
To be honest, I disagree with the law
I feel that women should have the right, especially if they were raped. Also it beneficial for the world population is now way over the sky.
Here's my thoughts about the foetus though, its cells are functioning so I believe it has life. (I say this not because of science or religion. It's my personal philosophy)
Once again the south shows how backward we are. Instead of progressing with the times. We decide 2 go back in time. 2 the good old butcher clinics. 2 come so far. Then 2 go backward as hell. Once again proving women have no rights. 2 decide what they want 2 do with their bodies.
These laws are horrible.
The only reasons laws like this can pass in the first place is guys are apathetic, religions mobilize an annoying number of people to pass them, meaning you only have divided women, for the most part, trying to stop them.
That said, to trying to prevent those laws, and trying to pass laws that protect those rights will always be an uphill battle for the pure statistic reason that it's hard to mobilize people to support a law that doesn't help them.
To this end, to protect women's rights to their body, women NEED to push for legislation that protects their bodies, while ALSO expanding the rights of others as well. This is what is known in Congress as a 'rider' - additional clauses added to help a law pass.
To this end, to pass a law on abortion rights, women who propose such laws need to ALSO think of how to give men a similar benefit. Some benefit, any benefit, will work, as long as it mobilizes guys. However, it's a huge benefit to passing if it ALSO reflects similar ideals for those affected as the values help synergize public opinion.
To that end, I suggest ALSO expanding abortion rights to cover the male as well. That may strike you as nonsense, but hear me out. After conception, at any point, in a state where abortion is legal, she can decide she doesn't want it, abort it, and be free of the risk to responsibility. A guy, however, does not have that freedom. After conception, he's f***ed. Either he's going to have to be a dad, or the woman won't let him be a dad and depand part of his paycheck for the rest of his life, or he won't get to be a dad, and the decision IS ALL HERS. He has no legal say in the matter. For a guy, the choice ends at conception, and that's why there's so much resentment in southern states for a woman to be able to gain unequal control over him like that.
So, for 'male abortion', the man can pay the woman, before the child is born, the median cost of an abortion in the state, and tell her it's for an abortion should she choose to have one. If he does so, he is absolved of any and all parental responsibilties. (Similarly, a lesbian woman if she finds out her spouse is pregnant could do it, but I suspect tha will be less of an issue). At this point, he has paid for an abortion and doesn't have to support a child he's not ready to, same as the woman's choice with abortion.
Pass THAT as a rider to a law that solidify's women's right to abortion, and it'll be able to pass.
I don’t think men should even vote on the subject since they have no uterus and can’t grow a baby themselves. 40% men agree on the law? What a surprise. They just hit and run, then the mother’s life is ruined forever while they can go on with their lives, getting a degree and better job while she’s stuck with their baby
I can’t believe this is still an issue. Women should have rights over their bodies, this is going to hurt poor women more than anything.
It’s fascism. It should be always be available for rape victims. Hell, offering her the morning after pill should be one the FIRST things a rape crisis center should do. But more over, this is an intrusion on liberty. Evangelicals need to stay out of our constitution and our bedrooms.
Forcing a raped woman to live a 9 month punishment for something she's not guilty but the victim is sick. Pregnancy is not a funny ride precisely and should be something decided and based on a love act. I'm glad I live in a country in which woman are very protected. Sometimes maybe too much, but I prefer that much protection than this kind of sickness. I guess that if men could get impregnated too many of these laws would be very different...
I don't know. I can't help but think:
Train the males, train the women, limit the scope of the problem. Without that... this just goes bad one way or the other. You can't force by law. Try making alcohol illegal again and see what happens.
This will shift society and change some things, but the suffering continues until the animal is re-trained. the human animal. After this... they have to put $ into social programs, God reintroduced, etc.. structure, discipline, etc..
I wanted to choose the first one but I don’t live there... so I chose other as I’m totally and utterly miffed and shocked that this actually has happened! America is the strongest country in so many ways and such a shame to see this law pit in place before gun laws!
you're dead in trespasses and sins! to do abortion" is to kill a child! you are an abomination in God's sight for hating the idea for not liking the protection of little ones (that are still in the womb) against killers (in this case, abortion supporters such as yourself). you say that a child was brought forth because of a man who forced the woman. ever heard of adoption? it's a thing!
All that law is going to do, is make 'illegal' abortions less safe, and potentially hurting women, that maybe made a mistake, or were raped!
I expect these series of new BS laws to be challenged, and up to the Supreme Court, after the next Presidential election. . .
You decide what that means.
Yet another law that was implemented without thinking. What's the surprise... Generally, politicians are a bunch of idiots that don't care about you. The laws they implement are only for the masses and it doesn't affect them because you live outside the law if you have enough money or power.
its messed up. kids and women getting raped have to further suffer by carrying, that is NOT gods will. banning abortion doesn't make it go away, it just makes SAFE abortion unavailable.
the last time i shared an opinion on this on here a guy told me that i would end up dead in a dumpster if I didn’t let a man choose what happens with my body lmao but I think it’s horrible. women should be allowed to have abortions. that’s all i’m saying.
If there's a risk to the Mother's health Aborting the Pregnancy will be Allowed!!!
This Law is Unlawful tgey can't enforce it because it's Unconstitutional!!!
Now where we have to be concerned is if Roe -V- Wade gets overturned!!! If that happens you will see women veinf Butchered Again as they were 50 years ago. How Dare Politicians Man or Woman tell a Woman what to do with her body!!!
Of course a whopping 40% of men that answered this poll agree with the law.
If I was rape then I for sure wouldn't want have the baby or if the kid was disabled. I want my kid to be healthy and come from two parents household. So this wouldn't make me happy at all. Honestly, some women need this law though some women don't know about birth control...
I have no plans of ever having an abortion but I don’t want to live in an area that just outlaws it, that’s insane.
I just think it's weird that more guys have an opinion about it than girls do... It is in fact about a woman's body!
All women in alabama who don't agree should stock up on amy birth control product they can find or move out of state. 😂 give Alabama a big fuck you and get your shit tied up in another state. As for me I now have another reason to get stock up on condoms lol. I live in Florida but this state is full of dumbass religious nutcases so I'm expecting some shit like this to pass here soon
Despicable. This is an attack on women and their rights. Ohio and Georgia are even worse. Now Missouri, too? America is such a shit hole.
This law actually makes it possible for men with undesirable traits (deranged, insane, schizo, low IQ, various physical deformities etc.) to spread their genes to the next generation, just be strong enough to overpower a woman! Alabama upheld its tradition to support devolution of humans.
It is barbaric. We're going backwards and people are dictating what people can do with their bodies. Just because someone has a uterus, doesn't mean they have to use it and become baby factories. Not everyone wants kids either. It's so bad, I hope women move out of the state.
When abortion was illegal, women still had backstreet abortions. Legalising it simply made the process safer. Making it illegal doesn't stop it, just like drugs being illegal doesn't stop people taking them. Women will now be doing it secretly and now having to risk their own lives just to remove an unwanted ball of cells. When women are committing suicide because they're being forced to keep their rapists baby and dying from backstreet abortions, maybe some people will see sense.
And next, Missouri. Each one is a step closer to eventually taking it to the Supreme Court to hopefully, finally overturn Roe v. Wade. That ruling was flawed to begin with, and now there is legal and scientific evidence to show how wrong it was. Powers should go back to the states where they belong.
I agree with it. You can't kill an innocent child just because you don't want it I would tell them to grow up people don't want to pay bills but life is here. If your raped give the child away but killing it is selfish and childish and criminal. Glad they stopped it because little girls who can't grow up made mistakes and cost a life for it shouldn't have an easy way out for their stupidity.
Women should have more rights, it’s their body. Did we went back to the 1950s?
OTHER STATES ARE NOW OR HAD STARTED FOLLOWING... WADE VS. ROVE IS GOING OUT. xx
I just think women should get the right to decide what happens with their bodies. A fetus has its rights too but there is no law or system that sustains the responsibility of feeding and educating those children. Nevertheless to help mothers.
We knew this was going to happen. It's the south. They stick to agenda, they aren't about people... lol look at the history of American Slavery. This is a form of control just like that... it doesn't surprise me about what they passed or where they passed it
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