Ending the gun culture will do nothing. This is the most idiotic argument especially from somoene who does not even live in the US.
@SexyAshh NRA makes money off this... it promoted
@demonics evidence for what,
"This is an American problem" <Citation needed"This is a the by product of a gun culture" <What is a 'gun culture?'"End the gun culture and these same disgruntled employees will just go get a drink instead" <Citation needed."NRA makes money off this... it promoted" <Citation needed.All of that.
@demonics 1. If you can tell me what other first world country experiences the same problems... you'll have answered your own question 2. Gun culture, culture means "the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group" ... now add in gun to that. essentially a country that makes you believe a gun is your right as young as 16 no questions asked granted you dont have a criminal record, which of course at 16 you probably dont 3. again, you will have to show me which other first world country experiences such violence...4. NRA, so what is the NRA. does the NRA sell weapons? ill answer that for you, yes... so they are in the business of making money. thats self explanatory
1. Depends on their information gathering criteria. A "mass shooting" has different definitions based on where you go. Some countries don't even track so called mass shootings. The only thing stopping them from occurring in other countries is peoples refusal to commit them. 20 million guns remain in the hands of private citizens in Australia despite a gun ban. New Zealand, 47 guns turned in out of 1 million guns in the hands of private citizens. This is called the normalcy bias wherein because something hasn't happened, it will not happen. Despite nothing standing in the way of it happening. What's stopping another mosque shooting in New Zealand when a million guns still remain in the hands of citizens?Also. 90% of mass shootings occur in 'gun free zones.' 2. America doesn't MAKE you believe you have a right to defend yourself, it recognizes your inalienable, NATURAL right to defend yourself. Someone is punching you in the head, you're going to defend yourself. Not sure why this concept is so difficult. You could also add that the gun culture is the recognition that despite thousands of years of precedent, stupid people will sit atop their laurels, *read ivory towers, confident that they've conquered evil and thus no longer need of such barbaric tools... despite actual barbarians banging at the front gates. Extended periods of power outages, food shortages and political turmoil usually rectify this oversight. 3. There is zero evidence that shows when prohibited, a "high dedication individual" will abandon a violent act. Read, murder is already illegal. Bonus: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_stabbings*Mortality rates of knives and edged weapons are identical to that of handguns. 26% of people who are stabbed will die, 26% of people shot with a handgun will die. 4. The NRA does not sell firearms. They are prohibited from doing so as a non-profit advocacy group. The NRA provides gun safety, training materials and general firearms related advice...
... the NRA has about 5 million members, so the represent a whopping 16% of gun owners in the US. The NRA, much to the chagrin of their members, and to the shock and awe of people like you, have actually advocated mostly to restrict gun rights as a sort of convoluted attempt to save others. Assault weapons bans? They supported that. The NFA? Supported that. Gun free zones? Supported that. Background checks? Yep. They advised on the legislation, as democrats at the time wanted to ban guns outright at the time. This was a sort of olive branch...*SHOCK* democrats are liars and continue to this day to try ban them. Bump stock bans? Yep. Similarly to NFA item owners, the NRA will advocate for gun laws that restrict access to NFA items so as to preserve the value of said items. Items their more senior members have invested lots of money in. These individuals are called FUDD's. A person who doesn't see the big picture of gun ownership, but merely sees them as hunting tools, and valuable collectibles. These individuals are in the senior leadership of the NRA. So your friends in the media incessantly attacking the NRA as some sort of evil corporation of doom that kidnaps babies and eats them is rather stupid to those in the know. Read, fake news.
Really.Civil War in America? ↗
There's a difference between wanting a war and believing there is gonna be one
It's a people problem as well as a gun problem
Absolutely, but no matter how deranged or angry a person is, they can't kill 11 other people without a gun.
I dont know what the solution is, but i hope we as a society figure it out sooner rather than later
It also makes me wonder if maybe places would be more thoughtful on mental health and not terminating employees for little things could things like this be prevented
It's a gun problem.People have been getting pissed about being fired for hundreds of years.But, years ago, people without weapons can't unleash their revenge fantasies.Now they can.
@abc3643 i think whats he means by "gun and people problem" is that in an ideal society people shouldn't have murderous revenge fantasies or the means to carry them out.
"people shouldn't have murderous revenge fantasies"And it would be nice if no one got cancer, etc.People will ALWAYS have revenge fantasies as long as Sun burns in the sky.It's critical to human survival.
@abc3643 soooo, give up cancer research? Give up on improving societies mental health? 10,000 years ago your neolithic counterpart could just have easily said that as long as the sun burns in the sky we will always be eaten by sabercats. Its nihilism that seperates those who will benefit the world and those who will give up on it. Remember that and dont lose hope.
Of course not, where did you get that idea?Look, you are young and that doesn't mean your are immature or stupid, but, what that does mean is that you don't have much experience about human nature. I'm not kidding when I say that takes decades if not a lifetime or more to master.The older we get, the more we come to recognize both the dark side of human nature but also the NEED for it. To survive as a species, we have evolved a need to fight back against threats against us. If we sit back and be complacent and be accepting of being attacked or not wanting our way, we will ultimately be killed or die-off due to evolutionary pressures.So, this dark side manifests itself in the desire to kill others who are a threat or obstacle to our way. That doesn't mean we need to act on it. After all, if we did, others that we have wronged will assert THEIR dark side and come hunting for us. So, we suppress the desire to kill as best as we can.The problem is, with guns, the subconscious dark part of us feels more powerful - that we can succeed with our vengeance and defend against the retribution of others.In other words, guns enable the Dark Side.This does not mean that I am for or against guns. I just am stating the reality that, for tens of thousands of generations of our species, our dark side which seeks vengeance has always been with us and always WILL be with us. Without it, we are not who we are.I will let Star Trek teach the rest of this lesson.First, from "The Enemy Within"...Here is what happened - Captain Kirk is split into 2 by a transporter malfunction creating a Good Kirk and and Evil Kirk:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUqGTNezMEThen here is what Spock observes about human nature that I discussed above...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=susht8wU5GEIn this episode, "A Taste of Armageddon", Captain Kirk describes real war and real killing and that it is within us but we can control it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKmUd0zHW4w
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Pretty much. Same thing goes with school shootings. Everyone whines about how young men are evil for committing these school shootings yet they dont seem to realize there's more than meets the eye.Schools aren't really suited for young men and boys. The education system largely favors women. Couple that with schools getting rid of recess in addition to having mostly female teachers, and you got a recipe for disaster. The reason you dont see young girls/women committing school shootings is because the school system doesn't really disadvantage them or discriminate against them the way it does with young boys and men.
@DWD94 100000000000000% agree man. When schools have become social justice indoctrination stations and see and treat boys as broken girls, then have no place for the males to turn too when they have hard times with the gynocentrism and bullshit...you get males who snap.
So if guns are the problem, how come Switzerland, one of the most heavily armed nations in the world, hasn't had the mass shootings as in other nations? Even New Zealand, just had a mass shooting. Was it the guns, or JUST THE CRAZY FCK THAT SHOT PEOPLE?Cars kill more in the US, than guns, but nobody wants to ban them. Saving lives? What a load of sht!! It is control!! China has some of the strictest gun control in the world, and someone stabbed and killed 29 people in 2014! So guns are the problem, right? A guy with a KNIFE, killed 29, double the number killed in many of the US mass-shootings, but still, people think guns are the problem!Maybe it is CRAZY PEOPLE that NEED HELP, that are the real problem?
@JackSmy you’re comparing cars with guns? Cars have the primal purpose to move people around. Guns have the primal purpose to kill people. You talk about Switzerland? They just approved a law to limit gun’s possession. Also Swiss are way way more educated then Americans, this counts when you decide if to kill someone or not. You’re comparing ONE mass kill with a knife whit the ALMOST EVERY DAY KILLS happening in the USA. Really you don’t see the difference? It’s 29 people in Cina vs how many hundreds in USA? Still wanna talk?
@Arboy So you totally miss the 'CRAZY' aspect, and focus on the BS and statistics of things. The point I was making is that it isn't at all guns, or cars, or knives, but PEOPLE that need help, that aren't getting it, and they kill, with whatever they can get!! Irresponsible people, drinking and driving, and killing with cars. Others, that are mentally unstable, stabbing, and killing.it's so easy to make the 'guns' the problem, and just ban those, and nobody will ever get killed, or murdered again, right?By the way, most people that have guns in the US use them for sporting, like trap shooting, and others for hunting.It is EXTREMELY rare, that someone kills a number of people, with guns, if you look at how many are legally owned, and those MILLIONS, don't kill people.My point was the CRAZY people, as the problem, but you don't have an answer for that, so blame the guns, right? No 'SANE' person goes and shoots kids in a school, or people at work, or just anonymous strangers! The REAL ISSUE, is people with mental defects, needing help that they are not getting, and so many of them gave 'warning signs' that were ignored, or nobody acted on them, in time to stop the CRAZY act!!
@JackSmy in a country where there is not public healthcare you talk about crazy people should be helped? Sure they should it’s pretty obvious they should. Who should do that? The public system. Unfortunately there individualism reigns and people don’t want to be taxed so that everyone can have a minimum of decent life and at least healthcare for everyone. This is not Communism, this is evolution and again it’s been proved that in the long term is a way to save money. Yes the problem are ALSO crazy people but they’re probably crazy as a result of a system that doesn’t care about them cause it doesn’t put resources for that. If they had been taken care probably now they wouldn’t be crazy
EXACTLY!!! Crazy people, not getting the HELP THEY NEED!! That is the problem! So banning guns will fix that? How? Maybe we need to reconsider the focus, and look at more mental help services, finding the ones that are sending up RED FLAGS, and maybe get them help, before they do something horrible!!Solving THAT problem, I am All In, on that!! I have only one vote, in every election, to choose the ones that make the decisions on which budgets get cut, and which are funded. I VOTE, every time, but just one vote!!
It happened today about 3 hrs ago
Dang. That's awful...
Its getting so bad over here that if you defend yourself you're the one that ends up being arrested and charged for 'assaulting' the criminal that attacked you, its a no-win situation.
there's way too many guns in the U. S for that to happen. Good luck getting people to willingly hand in their firearms. Most of them aren't going to go down with a fight.
@DWD94 It would indeed be a difficult thing; the issue is that people need to be better educated about what the effects and aftereffects of gun violence are actually like, and that can have a positive effect over time.
what gun violence are you talking about?this just killings
Japan banned gun and there was a knife attack a couple days ago. Proves people kill people.
@lrichl The homicide rate in the US is 5.35 per 100000 persons.In Japan 0.28 per 100000 personsUK 1.2 per 100000 persons.So in effect, 5 times as many people are murdered in the UK than in the US, and about 20 times more murders in the US than Japan (per capita).
@lrichl the difference between a knife and gun is that people choose guns over knifes when they want to harm someone. You can't take down 11 people with a knife swiftly the same way you can with a gun.
Ban guns then people will find other ways to kill. Chemical attacks, stabbing attacks, motor vehicle attack. Thats happening all over Europe and asia. I feel safer in a countries where good people have legal guns.
Look at Australia. Almost no guns at all. Works perfectly.
They love it when anyone dies. Another chance to promote fearmongering
@SungirlCovenant They just love making $$$$$$$$
Do the get a portion of every gun sold or a flat fee for everyone who is shot?
@SuccessfulHornDog a portion of every gun sold from the looks of it. They are a group of lobbyists that invest heavily in gun manufacturers, and then bribe politicians to enact pro gun legislation to protect or increase sales for the manufacturers. Their are groups that do this coal and oil and military industries. In the end it all comes back to who is making money off of fear and death. Fucking putrid vultures the lot of them😠
@SungirlCovenant bribery is a federal crime. Surely you have at least one example as proof that you aren't just making this up
@SuccessfulHornDog I've got about 10 minutes left of my break, but off the top of my head i recall a few years ago how the NRA wailed on about the dangers of 3D printed guns. Theyve always been advocates of gun ownership, the more the better, so why not support support people making their own firearms? Because it hurts their financial interests. They want people to BUY guns, not just have them. The hipocrisy alone speaks volumes, and hopefully it makes you the least bit curious so you can use your own time to look things up for yourself.
@SungirlCovenant I asked for any evidence of the charge of bribery... still waiting
@SuccessfulHornDog bribery=campaign contibutions. If you're really going to be this naive im just going to assume its on purpose😒 im not going to spoonfeed you, especially if you're going to be obstinant and not look into anything yourself. I gave you examples of hypocrisy and blatant greed by the NRA, if you dont know how organizations like them shadily finance campaigns expexting certain legislative outcomes then i suggest you do some researvh and learn about it. Then get back to me.
@SungirlCovenant you're pretty lazy for someone who is desperate for people to agree with her