You sir, have a lot of time on your hands!
@SkyRez indeed I do XD post-op recovery, can't do anything except for being at home for another 2 weeks. And since I've got an interest in politics and social movements and issues, might as well use my time this way
Indeed! Wish you the best man. by the way, when typing huge arguments, separate ideas and points with empty lines. It helps to read it lol
didn't feel like going over for typos etc. Please, converse with me.
Can you give an example of when "These women spoke out against America"?Before you start, bear in mind that Trump is not America, the Republican Party is not America, Christianity is not America.
Nice nitpicking there. Also, nice job doing exactly what you are don't support, what every news agency is pissed about. Trump stated these people, who have upset him for whatever reason, can go back to their country (I know this statement is flawed, only one is imigrated) thus not being American. You just stated that 24% of the American population (republicans) are not American. I ask you. What is "racism"? Dictionary requires a belief of superiority based on race. If you want to go by that, show me one speech of trump saying he is superior because he is white. Or tweet for that matter. And I ask you. What is "American".We all are citizens of the USA, SO YEAH.
I just think you should be willing and able to defend your claims.I didn't say members of the Republican Party are not American, I said the party is not America; America is all Americans, its land, constitution, and laws.So, what did they say against America?
I admit, beneath the webs of media bias and corruption, alas I cannot find quotes from the four individuals in question. Of course no media would cover it. Why would they? And I understand on that. You are speaking of the polarization of America. Yes! I absolutely agree that the immense divide in our country is a problem!!! I question however why you said "Republican party" if you meant the current political system in general.
I admit, I based my statement solely on the Presidents speech. I was heated in my typing frenzy. That was a flaw, however my entire argument did not hinge on it
Fox "News" would cover anything they said that was somehow against America.I guess I wasn't clear; I said the Republican Party because it's something that they would have said things against, but that wouldn't count as saying something against America.I think the flaw in your argument was to believe anything Trump says. He lies all the time. Another flaw is complaining about people being called racist; you say that racism only hurts people's feelings (although it also results in it being harder to find jobs, being treated differently by the police, and so on), but being called racist only hurts the racists' feelings, too, so what are you complaining about? (Another thing is that being racist is a choice, not an accident of birth.)
Dipshit. I'm not complaining. I am stating an opinion. Peace be with you, you seem unable to grasp my opinion
@goaded pretty sure he said people who are being called racist are just saying hurtful things and are not actual racists since they don't see any race as superior. By definition, racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior". So if I say something hurtful to a black person or a group of black people, it's not racism unless I imply or explicitly state that it's because of their race being inferior. Basically, if I see a black person who's a criminal and say "you're a piece of shit", it's not racist. But if I say "you're a piece of shit because you're black", that is racist because it implies that he wouldn't be a piece of shit if he wasn't black, which means I see black people as pieces of shit and therefore inferior. But the left loves to claim that the first statement is implying the second one, thus leading to statements which aren't racist being condemned as racist. And that's what @SkyRez was pointing out. It's not that racism only hurts people's feelings, it's a lot more serious, but people call everyone racist these days if they say anything hurtful towards an individual belonging to a race. This is what is known as playing the race card, basically claiming anything you said to someone was because of their race and not something else. Get it now?
@MarkTKD I got his point, back at the beginning, which is why I pointed out the obvious flaw in his argument, "this isn't racism. These women spoke out against America..." which was just not true. SkyRez didn't make up the lie, but he did blindly repeat it.Now, you say "if I say something hurtful to a black person or a group of black people, it's not racism unless I imply or explicitly state that it's because of their race being inferior."That's literally the first strategy to demonise calling out racism described in the video. Basically, I can be as shitty as I like towards people of other races as long as I don't say why, because you don't know what's going on in my head!Why do you think Trump referred to those four women as immigrants? What about those particular women might have made him make that mistake, do you think? And do you really expect me to believe Trump doesn't believe Americans (at least the white ones) are superior to everyone else?So, indicating that someone is from another country is automatically asserting superiority, supposing that those women were immigrants was prejudice based on their race and the whole thing was antagonistic. Racism.
Very good media trick there, glossing over the rest of the lies to make a quote sound worse than it is. You seem to be saying, by quoting me like that, that I mean that no matter how racist it may be, it wasn't because they attack America, which is not true. Those were separate ideas, hence the period. And yes, the attack america statement may be incorrect according to the media, so I concede. DROP THAT STATEMENT AND FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE ON THE ISSUE PLEASE. Honestly a decent argument talking about countries. However, America is superior in many ways to other countries, especially developing ones. Since skin color has no relation to country of origin according to PC views however, it is flawed, in that racism is usually directed at physical atributes, and perhaps religion Racism: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.Or prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.All bout race, but what is race?Race: each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical differences. That's it! Social construction? Perhaps, but I don't think so. When you think of any race, you get a clear picture of what a person in that race should look like, and most of the time, IT FITS! Of course it doesn't always, but in general, when being very broad, it works.
Doesn't say anywhere about place of origin, nor country, nothing. Names of races do perhaps, as families coming from the same regions tend to produce similar features, so it is an easy way to name the people from that area as being the origin of a race. I think we are clear on the terms now? If you want to maintain the country argument, you cannot call it racism. Racism is something that is far more powerful than a bunch of politicians with sticks up their asses putting on a show for the public media. And yes, I include all involved parties in that statement.
"glossing over the rest of the lies" - Whose lies, exactly?I see we've moved on to the second technique, which I would sum up as: the left say there's no such thing as race, so there's no such thing as racism, so calling someone racist is racist.That's bull, because it's the belief we're pointing out; we don't have to believe in the superiority of a particular race to understand that there are people who do, and they're racist.Do you believe someone can be racist?What would they have to do, to prove it?For example, in the 1960's the KKK lynched white people as well as blacks, does that mean they weren't racist?"... families coming from the same regions tend to produce similar features, so it is an easy way to name the people from that area as being the origin of a race."OK, given that definition of race, is it OK to discriminate against people on that basis? Telling Americans to "go back where they came from" on the basis of where their parents, or grandparents or great-great-... grandparents came from? Does anyone say that to Italian- or Irish-Americans any more? No? Why not?Someone summed it up well in a tweet: "... It's the official position of the Republican Party that telling a person of color to go back to where they came from is not racist"
@goaded ummmm no. You seem to think similar = same. I've given you an example of a sentence which isn't racist and which is racist. However, as all leftists do, you decided to completely ignore my example and focused on trying to prove that I support a claim which I clearly do not, just because I said something which is similar.So, let me explain this to you so you can hopefully understand:The argument used in the video says that unless you know what someone's thinking, you can't call them racist. And this is absolute bullshit, as I've stated, but is just the left getting a taste of its own arguments. Instead, what I said was that unless I imply someone is stupid because of their race, it's not racist. For example, and please actually read the example this time, if I say to a black person "you're a dumb piece of shit", it's not racist. It makes me an asshole of a person and I deserve to be decked in the face, but it doesn't make me a racist. However, the left would say that it does, because I'm saying that to a black person, meaning I must have something against him because he's black. This is the left's argument on what racism is, which is any form of offensive language directed towards any person of a different race, because apparently the only reason you'd have to say that is because you're a racist. And this is also bullshit, because you have absolutely no idea why I said what I said and because I didn't bring race into it. I might've said it because I have a personal grudge against the other person, it might be because I feel like being an asshole and picking a fight, it might be because I wanted to film a prank video, and it might be because I'm racist. There are a lot of "might"s. However, the left works like communism, which is the opposite of what we have today in judgement: guilty until proven innocent. The left assumes you said it because you're a racist and will relentlessly claim that until you prove, without the shadow of a doubt, that you're not.
@goaded and there is literally no way that you can objectively prove you're not a racist. You will be treated like a racist, branded like a racist, have the race you offended be openly hostile towards you and you'll have absolutely no chance of proving you're not a racist. This is why the left's way of deciding if you're a racist or not is bullshit. If there's even a subtle hint you might be racist, you're already branded as a racist, just like the case of that girl wearing a chinese-style dress to prom. She wore it because she liked it, but there was a 0.00001% chance she did it to mock Asians and she was branded as a racist. That is not justice. That's complete and utter injustice which makes me want to bash someone's head in from how much I hate the fact that this injustice almost ruined her life, after having ruined so many other lives.Now, what would be racist is if I brought race into it, calling the black person a "dumb black piece of shit" (which is implicit racism) or telling him "you're just another black piece of shit" (which is explicit racism), or something like "you're a dumb piece of shit, which isn't surprising since you're black" (again, explicit racism). Now those are racist things where you can call someone a racist. But if he calls a black person something offensive, claiming he's a racist is the same as calling a guy who shows interest in a girl a rapist because there's a 0.000001% chance he's doing it because he wants to rape her. That's not justice, that's absolute retarded bullshit and I swear on my life and lives of everyone close and dear to me that I'd make anyone who promotes that as justice regret ever meeting me. Justice is something extremely close and personal to me and I can't stand for any form of injustice. I'd beat the life out of any rapist, but I'd also do the same to any false rape accuser, since both of those are sickening. Same goes for racism.
@MarkTKD Believe it or not, I do understand your point. However, if you regularly find yourself in the company of dozens of people (e. g. Democratic Representatives) and the only people you tell to go back where they came from are the ones with brown skin, a pattern emerges (even ignoring the experiences of every other non-white American who has ever been told to go back to where they came from - including iirc, some Native Americans).Show me any time Trump has previously told an American to go back where they came from and the American was white, and I'll reconsider. Future occurrences don't count, because that would be just him covering his ass.
@goaded lines, my bad. The issue is as you put it. Lynching a certain race is obviously racist. A common MODERN example of racism : police brutality, specifically again young black men. Of course there are racist cops, that without provocation, shoot black men, and usually are far more likely to shoot anyone. They should not be cops, nor should they be free. The issue is that the media get a nip of a hot story, screams racism, and shortly after it falls away. Why? Because when you look at body cam footage etc. There is a legitimate reason to draw a weapon on the "victim". Whether it be hostile/uncooperative action/speech, or other. Check out Donut Operator on YT, reviews and explains body cam footage of these event. What happens when the public attack these events? The cops be quiet after putting out their statement.
Trump doesn't shut up, he persists in his speech, continuing to piss off media, because he doesn't give a shit. His supporters support him in part because he does point out how stupid the media, and the left, can be. Also, because you brought up him only telling the "brown skin" ones to go back to where they come from, show me a "white american" that has publically attacked him as such, and I will find the speech that he attacks them. Of course he won't say go back where you came from THEY ARE FROM AMERICA. Same goes for white police shooting black men. Almost all body cam footage involves the man being uncooperative, not following directions calmly etc, likely because the media and the left victimize them so damn much. POLICE SHOOT WHITE PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE, AND ALL PEOPLE IN BETWEENTRUMP BITES BACK AT THE SAME PEOPLE.
Lines instead of lies makes more sense, OK."Lynching a certain race is obviously racist." But does them lynching a few white people, too, stop them from being racist? I don't think it does.Agreed about the cops being too keen to shoot people."the media get a nip of a hot story, screams racism, [...] There is a legitimate reason to draw a weapon on the "victim"."What about when the guy was in his own back yard with a phone? Or the security guard who got shot when persuing a thief? Should we not listen to people of colour who say they have to have conversations with their children about how to deal with being stopped by the police to keep them safe? I got to tell my children that the police were there to help them, they didn't."show me a "white american" that has publically attacked him as such"Bernie Sanders."Of course he won't say go back where you came from THEY ARE FROM AMERICA."Yes, and he assumes that to be the case BECAUSE SANDERS IS WHITE! That's the whole point of this; that's why he's so obviously racist! He would probably try to order a drink from the Mayor of London, because he can't understand that someone who is not white can be important. I don't see how this is not obvious.Trump's more of an immigrant than AOC, and his wife is an immigrant. But they're white.
@goaded corelarion does not equal causation. Just because the road is always wet after it rains, it doesn't mean that the road is only wet after it rains. There are other possible circumstances where the road will be wet, they just haven't happened yet.Same works for Trump. Just because Trump has only told people of a different race to go to their own country, it doesn't mean the only people he'll ever say that to will be people of a different race. Again, he might be saying that because he's racist, but he might also be saying that because he has something personal against them. Let me ask you: did he tell all people of a different race to go home? Did he tell them to go back because their kind isn't welcome here? Or did he just tell them to go back to their own country if they don't like it in the USA because they said something against the USA? I'm using that as a hypothetical scenario to show how there are mutliple possibilities, not saying that it is what happened.See, the issue with this whole line of reasoning is very simple: it's all based on a hypothesis and statistics. If you look at statistics of the average wage by sex, you'd see a gap, yet it has been proven that the gap existed because of elements that are not sexism. Same applies here. You're trying to say he's a racist based on statistics, yet you don't take into account other possibilities and go for the most likely answer. That's called being intellectually lazy and dishonest because you haven't really tested all possibilities and just went with the most likely one. And let me show you why that is flawed.The statistical chance of getting a 6 roll on a six-sided die is 1/6, or 16.67%. So it's statistically very likely you won't get a 6. Yet it still happens. Now what you've done is said "since it's most likely you won't get a 6, the conclusion is that you won't get a 6". And this is simply not true, since there will be cases where you will get a 6.
@MarkTKD If the die comes up six times in ten rolls, would you trust the die?Anyway, they are not attacking the USA, they are attacking Trump and the Republican Party policies, which is perfectly American. You had Herman Cain proposing a perfectly ridiculous tax regime, but you didn't say he was attacking America, did you?
@goaded so you saying that he's a racist based on a pattern, which is a statistical measurement, has a chance of being true, but isn't concrete evidence that it is so. And we live in a society where the premise is "innocent until proven guilty". This means that you must have absolute proof that he is racist, meaning something he said or done that can't be refuted by any other claim and is 100% certain. See now why I said calling Trump a racist based on that was bullshit and why the left uses bullshit arguments and makes bullshit accusations?Additionally, if we were to go by the statistical evidence logic, then we would have to dismiss rape as impossible because the chance of it happening to a person is very low, we would have to dismiss the possibility of anyone winning the lottery, we would have to say it's impossible to be hit by lightning, etc. Something being highly likely doesn't make it true.
*six times in six rollsHe decided that those four American women came from a foreign country. On what basis?
@MarkTKD I'll be quick, to synchronise again. It's not bullshit, because it's not a court, it's a job; if people have a reasonable belief that you're treating some customers like shit, you'll be fired.Did they say something against the USA, or against Trump and his Republican party? There's an important difference.
@goaded I'm not involved in American politics, so I don't know about that kind of stuff. And like I said, the "attacking the USA" was just a hypothetical proposition of what could've happened. I see you really don't read things all the way through and just gloss over the lines as SkyRez said, because I empathized that me saying that was a hypothetical scenario. This just further proves your intellectual laziness because you assume what someone wrote and don't really read things with comprehension.You also seem to be under the impression that I'm defending trump. And trust me, I'm not. I could care less about Trump to be completely frank because I dislike him overall as a person due to his personality. I'm just disproving the claim that he's a racist which is based on a statistical pattern and am arguing that that is a bullshit argument, along with showing how the left uses bullshit arguments as well and explaining why they're bullshit. As far as politics goes, I really don't give a single flying fuck about issues which don't and/or won't concern me. And I doubt that the issue of Trump being a racist or not will ever really have any effect on me as an individual.So now that I've hopefully made that clear, I hope you won't try to use the "well why didn't you say anything when this other thing happened" argument, since I really don't give a shit about that and because such arguments are irrelevant to the point I'm making, therefore making them useless. And I really don't like useless things.As for the dice question, we're not talking about trust. Of course you'd trust what happens most often, but that doesn't constitute as evidence. The police can have all statistics pointing to someone commiting a murder, but without any evidence, they can't do jack shit. Or if evidence presents itself for someone who was the least likely suspect, they have to treat him as the main suspect.
I seem to have been blocked from adding anything to the main question lol. @Pamina because I cannot reply on your question History? HISTORY? Look up the political party that founded the KKK, look up which party was founded to defend the right of the slaves. Look up which political party the man who gave the black man right to vote was. Learn your fucking facts before adding a cute little smiley face on the end. It is only recently that the left has started caring about equality for all. And at that, only to accomplish there goals of how the government should be, the opposite of how this country's government was designed. And why are they so supportive of anti-"racism"? Because they started to point out every slight between to races, and call it racism. Now it is a problem. They then made policy, and told the public they would solve this manufactured problem. And you sheep pick it up, and run with it!And since you will delete this comment as well, please politely f off to a country you are happy in, and are able to support. As you say, GaG is apparently the domain of the right, one of the few medias that are our territory.
@MarkTKD Yes, I do skip over parts, especially when hypotheticals are counter to reality; that's what I respond to, because it's dishonest.I *know* they're not attacking the USA, they're representatives of hundreds of thousands of American citizens who chose them in fair elections to fight for what they believe. Suggesting that they may have been speaking against the USA without solid evidence is like me suggesting that you beat children; it's something that you do not do."I'm just disproving the claim that he's a racist which is based on a statistical pattern"No, you're not, at most you're trying to establish reasonable doubt (like your police analogy), but at some point any doubt becomes unreasonable, and conviction occurs.
Perhaps standard, historically accepted policies are being attacked? Perhaps this is why our "blatantly racist" leader is apparently being supported by plenty of Americans, who have the same fear of democracy when it is taken to far.
The Democrats are not "The Party of the KKK". ↗tl;dr The Confederate States voted Democrat because they reasonably hated the Republicans that defeated them, then the Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act, and slowly lost control of those states. Follow the link for the details.
@MarkTKD I completely missed your message about the Chinese dress. That was completely ridiculous, but I suspect it's more about her not being "popular" at school than anything else.
I'm gonna leave this discussion at this. The USA is the most racially diverse, and least racist of all racially diverse countries in world history TODAY. Think about it. Everyone goes through their day, black, white, mexican, Norwegian, Belgian, whatever, without conflict. We talk, everyone (assuming they are in the same position, doing the same amount of work) get paid the same, everyone has equal opportunity. And yet, the left points out every instance of racism that occurs, and plasters it everywhere, making everyone everywhere think we are extremely racist. Rounding up a race to enslave is racist. Killing a people of specific religion is racism. We have not seen racism that actually does anything in a very, very long time. I gaurenty that if the media quit running so many stories on white man shoots black man, politician said this, that, etc. The tension and fear between races in our melting pot would seize. Would that not be nice?
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Oh, also. Trump's approval just hit a new record high again. It doesn't seem like that these accusations are doing anything, ay? And let's put it this way: Even he was a total racist and every bit as awful as you think, whatever the democrats are doing and the nonsense they are vomiting out must be less palatable than racism.It's possible Trump could say something wild out of the blue that could cost the election, but at the time of writing he's doing well, despite what's being thrown at him. Plus, the democrats could say awful things too and suck even harder -- though they get more leeway -- they could still bury themselves deeper.
The right:-takes a few SJWs who shout racist at everyone that they disagree with to pull off their usual fear mongering BS and pretend that the left has overused the term so they can de-stigmatize bigotry.
I mean I get why you see it that way but you're wrong. It helps not to confuse the good decent people on the left with the bad actors on the left correct? Well it also helps if we do not confuse the bad actors on the right with the good actors on the right correct? At the moment the right, at least in the US, the good guys have managed to take power from the genuinely evil element on the right. That is what we see Trump fighting in the news on a daily basis, the evil actors on both the right and left working together to stop the good on the right from keeping power. On the left the same battle wages but most people on the left still can't tell the difference between the hate groups on your side and the good decent people. I think the reason for this is mostly because there are only horribly corrupt news sources on the left, at least as far as any with real influence. Try to take a step back and REALLY see things from different perspectives. It's uncomfortable but what do you have to lose? a few minutes of your time to expand your mind?
"At the moment the right, at least in the US, the good guys have managed to take power from the genuinely evil element on the right."-Trump is posting racist tweets and he's accusing people who don't agree with him of hating America (the right wing version of political correctness).
that is the spin, not the truth. instead of arguing to defend your bias why not go learn for your self?
Go back to your own country is a racist trope in the US and he did accuse people who disagree with him on things like immigration policy of hating America; those are facts.
if all you want to do is confirm your own bias then I'm out. /peace
Firstly, if it's just nationalism, and not racist prejudice, why has he never told Bernie Sanders to go back where he came from? Bernie's father was born in Austria-Hungary, his mother was a daughter of immigrants from Poland and Russia.In contrast, both AOC's parents were native born Americans, at least two (probably all four) of her grandparents, as well.Secondly, doesn't it bother you that in your representative democracy, policies supported by (sometimes huge) majorities of voters (and by members of both parties) are described as "fundamentally chang[ing] the entire country"? Ending slavery, granting women the vote, and the New Deal fundamentally changed the country, too.
@goaded The specific "changes" you are citing are nowhere near as extensive as what something like the Green New Deal would require. The GND would require a total revision of the Constitution (not a new amendment- a complete overhaul) because it grossly oversteps the established powers given to the federal government. As many Democrats who oppose the idea have stated, it has very little to do with "green" and everything to do with redesigning the country.Nationalism is promoting the interests of your own nation above all others. It has nothing to do with telling people to go back to where their ancestors are from. If your head of state ISN'T a nationalist, then you have a terrible leader who isn't doing their job, and more than likely is in somebody else's pocket.I'm not sure why you're bringing up AOC. I very clearly stated he made a gaffe by failing to recognize that Omar is the only one of those four congresswomen who actually came from another country.
I get that you said he was inexcusably wrong, but you must admit that the cause of his "mistake" (assuming it was a mistake and not just something spectacular to say to take people's attention off his relationship with Epstein) could quite reasonably be presumed to be racial prejudice. At most, you might say that it can't be proven either way, but that's far from saying it definitely wasn't racist.The GND isn't going to happen as its been proposed; the proponents aren't stupid, they know they're a small part of a large body, but they're fighting from a position of "this is what we want", not starting at "this is what we think we might get, if the other side is nice", which makes a nice change for Dems. Maybe some aspects of it will be so popular voters will choose representatives who will vote for them, and not just according the letter after their names.
Condemning Israel's government's actions is not anti-Semitism. Calling the occupation of Palestine an occupation is not anti-Semitism.
He put up a fraction of the funds, and he did it so he could get planning permission for another construction. He doesn't hire workers directly, and we already know his organisation hired many undocumented immigrants.o.Canada.com/.../donald-trump-helps-buy-toronto-a-new-public-swimming-pool"... Trump arrived to launch construction of his 65-floor luxury hotel and tower.Section 37 of the Ontario Planing Act was designed to encourage developers to offer community benefits in exchange for increased height and density — a concept that Mayor Rob Ford has opposed. But the $2 million grant toward the $14.8 million cost of the aquatic centre is likely to be seen as one of its success stories."
@goaded From what Deputy Mayor McConnell told me three years ago, he was already in process of construction when she contacted him about the pool. He sent his own engineers over and even sent some of his own equipment and operators over to assist in the building at New Regent Park. I do not know your source, but I know what she told us all at a meeting in the offices of NRP down on Parliment and Dundas. As far as undocumented migrants (immigrants ar edefined inthe US Constitution), many have false papers and coast for a long time before discovery. They often defeat the I-9 Form as their documents may look very legitimate. Since the I-9 is required of all employees, the undocumented go to extremes to show paperwork, even if it is fraudulent.
"I do not know your source"Yes you do, it was the article at the link in my response.They don't seem to have had any trouble finding the undocumented immigrants working for him since he became president, do they?
Except he used the term "Congresswomen" (plural) so he wasn't just referring to Omar, he was most likely referring to all four of them, only one of whom was born in another country.
He was referring to all four yes.Well, one of the girls was born to Palestinian parents. And we all know no Palestinian will support the U. S. And Osario was born to a Puerto Rican mother.The black lady is the only one who doesn't have any foreign background.I do agree that part of the tweet wasn't well thought out, but the overall message was right, if you don't like this country and can't be loyal to it, get the fuck out!
But they were still born in this country (and as for AOC, Puerto Rico is a US territory). The tweet meant if you don't agree with me, then get out.
I know it's a U. S. territory, but it's not a state. But I don't wanna get into that.I don't know. I don't think Omar is loyal to this country at all, especially after her 9/11.Osario is just a bitch, and I haven't seen any evidence of her toilet claims.The other two women, I don't know what their views of policies are, but I know no true Palestinian will be loyal to the U. S." The tweet meant if you don't agree with me, then get out."Maybe. But one thing that's certain, it wasn't racist. People are only saying it's racist because the women happened to be brown. If they were white, the Left wouldn't be able to use the "racist" argument,.
Do you not want to get into that because your argument has just been steamrolled?
Ha! Same. Pretty much the same with every other ism or ist
And that's really my concern. What do we call it when an occurence of real, bad racism happens? What is the public's reaction? The same as when someone says something mean.
@SkyRez Can you describe what you'd call "an occurence of real, bad racism"?
An occurence that causes actual harm to befall someone.
Being offended, being made to go home and cry. Having the media scream about something you said, not very concerning. If these words actually caused or cause someone harm, then yes. I will absolutely support everyone in obliterating that person that said it. If a person physically hurts someone, or harasses them BECAUSE of there race, and nothing else, it is racism, and again, needs to stop The issue is: you see to skin colors in conflict, no matter what the conflict is about, and it's racist. The real world is not a safe space. Period. And I oppose the day it becomes one. Because a "safe space" Is one that your views are never questioned, there is never anyone that upsets you, a place in which any imaginable offense is cause more mass hysteria.
@SkyRez "actual harm" Like not being able to find a job because your application is discarded because of your name, rather than your qualifications?
@goaded are you suggesting that private businesses will not hire a person, no matter how excellent or qualified, based solely on name/race/ethnicity? This seems to violate the core value of hiring an employee: getting affective assets on board. First, laws prevent this. Of course it is easy to circumvent, just find something in their resume that you don't like, and decline for that reason. Beyond that, of course it is terrible to not find jobs. I live in a very poor area of California, in fact the poorest county (screw cali), and know it is equally hard for anyone to get a job. In areas that have far more industry and jobs, you cannot tell me a person of any race is unable to get a job. Harder to get one? Maybe, statistically POC are poorer, and have less experience, which obviously makes it harder to get a job. It is not as simple as a hiring agent (whatever they are called) not liking the person, race or otherwise.
@SkyRez Racism, by definition, doesn't make sense.www.politifact.com/.../
Gonna be real racist here. In a poor community, it is far less risky for an employer to hire a white person over a black person. Racism? Okay fine, but I think I can live with that. here's an example:A company I work with a lot hired a man on a few weeks ago. He was black, important since we are talking about race. He worked a total of two days, 30 an hour, that's 16 hours. Total, that's 480, we'll say 500. What did that 500 dollars, plus other benefits buy? Nothing. The man was on the jobsite, the task those days were to dig conduit trenches, and did nothing. 4 other guys were there. He was given notice, and proper fired practices insued. Three days after paperwork was done? The business was notified of owing the man over 1000 dollars for work. Math... yes math... now hundreds of thousands spent on legal battles, because it is illegal to simply pay the guy and shut up. A similar situation happened years back, again, with a black man. If a company hires a person, and it doesn't work out, then again, and again problems insued, maybe you've gotta cut your losses and say not to hire a person like that again, yeah? This is privately owned, government restricted, business. Racist? Perhaps, but it's more likely to be experience of failure from the past.
@SkyRez Skipped most of it because it starts with saying racism is fine. What I don't see is a link.
Point is, when dealing with large numbers of people, age, sex, race, all good ways to categorize people. Many are left out, yes. But the business' job is to keep it in the green, not pay who ever wants a job. If you reject this, then you need to reject capitalism.
@SkyRez So, you just made it up, or this was a case of one asshole who happened to be black?
Wow. Single mom?
@SkyRez single yes, mom no
@SkyRez There's no kidding when it comes to that duck!
America's allies are waiting for Trump to leave so we can get back to supporting each other. What, specifically, have "those women" said that's against America?
Hey! I made a very heartfelt statement
Anon: Trump's most recent racist rant was against four American citizens, three of whom were born here.
one of them was born less than 10 miles from where he was born
@markscott I guess he is racist but no worse than other presidents in other countries that are never politically correct and even put their people in jail or execute them, they don’t realize how good they really have it here that’s why he was telling them to go home even knowing they were born here
@wankiam I guess that’s the one he is telling to go back home
Oh, wow! Are you saying Trump's OK because he's better than, say, an African country's dictator?
@goaded Yeah basically , we are stuck with him for now but at least he can’t stay president for 50 years like other countries so people should stop whining because it could be worse and he has helped the economy
@goaded So would people rather a racist or another Castro?
No, he hasn't. Obama's recovery continued, and Trump's tarrifs are pushing up prices for everyone as essentially a massive tax hike (not to mention exploding the deficit so much the government may run out of money by September).www.bloomberg.com/.../trump-s-tariffs-have-wiped-out-most-families-tax-cut-gains
@goaded thats what we have observed from this side of the pond too... economic growth was already forcast and infact hasn't achieved the levels it should have done since trump took the reigns... not that im saying obama was a good guy because he clearly wasn't
@goaded The only thing I can figure is he has a game plan that will take time to work, so anytime you try to fix things they probably will get worse before they get better and the guy has been a businessman most of his life so I would hope he knows what he’s doing but I guess we will see
been bankrupted and responsible for ethnic cleansing of newyork so maybe better not to concentrate trust on his hoped for long term plan... also you could have applied that same argument to several past dictators
@wankiam I guess we’ll see what happens since we are stuck with him for now
He managed to bankrupt one of his casinos, by building another casino nearby. Planning is not his strong suit; taking as much of other people's money as he can before declaring bankruptcy is.www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019By the way, in case you didn't know, I think you've blocked me.
@goaded I haven’t blocked you, I hardly ever do that
and i haven't either
Apologies, I thought that's what grey, not blue, mentions meant, but I guess it's just when you're an anon opinion owner. As you were! :)
@goaded no problem
Opinion owner: No worse than some other countries, you say? So Trump had dragged America down to where our standard is not right or wrong with racism, but to where our standard is, we are no worse than other bad countries who mistreat people. So much for making America great again. And you are missing the point - there is no 'home' to go back to. They are Americans, born and raised here. But they are dark skinned, so Trump tells them to go home. Trump doesn't say that to white skinned people. That's part of the reason it's racist.
@markscott Yeah he has foot in mouth syndrome unfortunately he should’ve just said if you don’t like it here then go somewhere else not go back home since obviously they were born here so I do agree he does sound racist
I missed: "I guess that’s the one he is telling to go back home".He used "they". And "the one" is at least as American as his mother.
@goaded Yeah it’s just the wording he used, he should really think before saying things, I thought presidents always had stuff prewritten for them
You'd think not being able to should have disqualified him in the first place.
@goaded Maybe they thought he would have been more diplomatic or politically correct with his words after getting in office
That's the horror of it. Ignore it, and it gets worse, confront it, and it gets justified and worse. We can only hope that decent Americans are paying attention.
@goaded Well what do you mean 'justified' that means nothing. You really think that racism is normalized, in a sick fucking era where leftists are playing to thought police to weed out anyone with a descenting point of view, much like it's done over here.Let me gave you my simple take because there is racism out there... Nobody denies that... But that's not a narrative to just call out anyone racist, to show racism you have to show proof of actual racist action, you have to show racism in written form in policy, and it has not happened otherwise the crybabies would have already thrown a tantrum about it already... Because there's no solution in saying there is racism, i hate racism and I want to fight it with you but you have to show racism and we will agree, but simple yelling racist is just unjustified name calling, you can do it there's simply no solution in that... There's no solution in saying there is racism out there you're just chasing ghosts
"Well what do you mean 'justified'"I mean the Republican party gets pulled in to either accept or condemn his statements. They invariably accept them and justify them, just like a lot of posters on this question, ignoring why he made the "mistake" of thinking those brown women weren't originally from the USA (when at least one has deeper roots than him). They pretend it's not because of the colour of their skin, while ignoring the fact that he attacks other (whiter) critics in different ways.
to be fair so was obama... its not so much the man but the people pulling their strings and to that end its not even down to partisan politics
Obama wasn't a racist criminal. Racists would say he was
im far from racist so watch this and you will understand what i was getting at... oh and i just heard the impeachment has been dropped... shame but not a surprisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4OI0GUCI_A
Wow. Incredible! I didn't realize that half of the prison population could be president if only the darn laws against those things weren't in place, and of course they were in the running to be president! Incredible!
Awwww, why no response? I don't think anyone in the USA supports those traits, swindler perhaps (Capitalism, fuck yeah!), so I think you're making an accusation that half of the voting population fits those descriptions, along with being stupid. Perhaps he won because those tired of democratic policy, the silent majority, wanted to send a massive FU to the left. And damn, it worked well!
THANK YOU! like everything. White person says or does something remotely negative to a colored person, BOOM RACIST POLICE!!! KEYBOARD WARRIOR!!! WHOOP WHOOP.
Hi racists. :)
If after all the BLATANTLY racist things he's said in the past few years, you still don't think he's racist, then that's because you are a racist yourself. Plain and simple. That's not even up for debate anymore.I was expecting the downvotes. GaG has long become a cesspool for Trumptards and all sorts of right-wing bigots and crypto-fascists.All of you - literally every single one of you - can go to hell. History will on our side in the end, as it's always been eventually. :)
You freaks throw that word around so cheaply, easily and flippantly these days you've cheapened it.You don't even know what it means ypu psycho.
@Miristheiss "You *freaks* throw that word around so cheaply, easily and flippantly these days you've cheapened it.... [you] *psycho*."Quoted for prosperity. Wow, a two-fer.
@Miristheiss Yawn. I don't care for these semantics distraction strategies. You right-wingers could at least have the guts to stand by your racism.
I’m done with you. You reported me
No I didn't.
Yes you did. You had another one removed.
No, it was someone else.
Finished with you