Forcing a vote on impeachment would put Democrats in pro-Trump districts and states in an impossible position, forcing them to take a vote that they do not want. In the bargain it would drown out the Democratic presidential contenders, save for that of former VP Biden who paradoxically, given his son's cloudy personal history, does not want the attention.Overall, a vote on impeachment to instruct the committees to conduct an investigation would result in a long dragged out process that would not likely sway the partisans on either side and would turn off the middle voters who don't tend to pay attention. The net result, then paradoxically, would be to tip the election in the long run to Mr. Trump.The advantage to the country then being that this habitual turning to impeachment to avoid policy debates and the hard work of persuading voters would be at last discredited. Impeachment would then go back to being what it should be - a tool to be used rarely and only in extremis. To be sure, it would also leave the nation with the odious Mr. Trump. However, his crimes are not clear - a "whistleblower" report where the witness is only reporting rumors is not exactly standing on solid legal ground. Hence the point about "reasonable doubt." There are, suffice to say, ample grounds for doubting reasonably.In any case, Mr. Trump is what the country gets when the country decides that standards of propriety no longer matter. See also his twin, Mr. Clinton. As Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the people should get what they want - and get it good and hard." Just so.
Type-o:This - "... it is why he was disbarred, losing his Arkansas law license and being forced to pay Ms. Leiwinsky a tidy some of money."Should read - "... it is why he was disbarred, losing his Arkansas law license and being forced to pay Ms. LEWINSKY a tidy SUM of money."
True. That is the reason why america has never had a democrat president.Oh wait
@-Asca- Even when they did they were democrats who projected at least some of those qualities.. Not these neutered little man babies who go on national television and pretend to cry because they think it appeals to women voters.
You have mistaken borderline narcissism for projection of strength, confidence and optimism.Do you think that bullying Mexican immigrants and making empty warnings to other countries is strength?That asking Russians to spy on fellow Americans is confidence?That kicking out women who want to ask him something or speak up is confidence?No no no , he is spoiled little brat stuck in a old body.If he is , as you say strong and confident than domocrats are heroes to stand up against the no.1 man in USA which is so strong.
@Nafree You're projecting the same weakness right now. Crying about bullying. Nobody respects it. You sound weak. And racism? LOL Your fucking FRONTRUNNER voted for a war that massacred hundreds of thousands of the brown skinned people you fucking liars keep screaming that you care so much about. You are virtue signaling cowards. Sit down and accept your rightful place on the ground.
See , I'd think it was obvious that I am not a resident of USA , also my dear I actually like being with both feet on the ground, where you see things as they are.You should really educate yourself from books instead of television. I'm European and we were and are against your oil and Dollar wars.
@Nafree all politicians are corrupted in some way.
@Nafree all the things you stated about him are either misrepresented or didn't happen at all, taking liberal media as a source of valid information is one of the best ways to make yourself look stupid in an argument.
@Nafree ILLEGAL immigrants are the only one targeted.
@ Syrian_survivorUsing media as a source of information is stupid to start with.I am not educated by media I'm stating what I'm seeing not what they tell me
@Nafree where do you get that information from then?
@Nafree Don't care what shithole country you're from. You call weak sniveling war crime supporters "heroes".
Just because people don't like him or disagree with him doesn't mean he's a bad president and shouldn't be president but again I don't know much of what's been going on. 🤷
They just can't accept that he won in 2016 and it bugs the hell out of them
@itsthatgurl Yeah I don't really ubderstand why people hate him so much. He's just doing his job
intimidation, asking for for illegal help, cover up, making america into a joke... the list goes on.
this says everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZ4ylHOqtk there can be no doubt of his guilt.
@Sabretooth Except he hasn't done any of those things.
@gotc147 than he he wouldn't be threatened. as it stands, he is. you threaten because you yourself are threatened.
@Sabretooth Oh how cute, you're new to the politics game.Trump isn't going anywhere, because he didn't do what the Democrats are saying he did.Joe Biden on the other hand, there is far stronger evidence that he did.
@gotc147 and you're just a sad, blind trumptard who can't see the truth when it's at eye level
@gotc147 it's honestly just pathetic
@Sabretooth Talking about yourself?
@gotc147 trump's cultist. He could reveal himself as a Muslim-his followers would gladly follow along.
@Sabretooth Yup, talking about yourself, Trump could cure cancer and you'd still be screaming orange man bad.Fool.
@gotc147 and like trump, you have trouble with reading. no, i was talking about his cultist. yeah? well let me me know when he does... or anything that is noteworthy... and not because he's just making a fool of himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7JvFMpw_ro . plenty of psychiatrists and mental health experts agree he is dangerous-there is even a book with over 30 talking about this.
more than a few reasons. his unrealistically ignorant-as is his administration, only interested in his own interest-hence the situation, lying, stonewalling investigations, committing crimes-like his quid pro quo to urkrain and attempt in china-list goes on.
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If Democratic establishment knew what was good for them, they wouldn't be out in full force smearing Tulsi, the candidate with the best chance of beating Trump.
Correct a lot of Republicans support Tulsi
@jasion Which is required to win in the general election. Fingers crossed those republicans vote in the Dem primary. Not hard to register as democrat, vote for Tulsi, then re-register as Republican.
Tusli isn't enough of a whiney feminist victim for Democrats to support her. Tulsi also has muscle, she's a war veteran, she's level headed and she gets along with republicans. So they're going to touch her. Tulsi Gabbar has the personality every man dreams of, the bitches on the left aren't going to let us have that.
One could also argue that the "take care clause" in Article 2, Section 3 compels him to make sure that information pertinent to Biden allegation be divulged.
All I heard you say there is that the president is actually a dictator because you believe that "executive power" is synonymous with "literally anything." The Constitution specifically tells what each branch of government can do. It does not give you some carte blanche ability to say "well executive power means the power to execute anything he wants."That you and Trump say "The Constitution lets me do literally anything" doesn't actually make that true.
@holograph I'm sorry, but I really cannot help you with your lack of comprehension. The President has federal executive power (Article 2, Section 1). The President has a duty to faithfully execute the laws under the Constitution, like investigating the allegations of federal wrongdoing by the Bidens. (Article 2, Section 3). The President has free speech rights, which discussing current events is. Not sure what is so hard to understand here. The only Quid Pro Quo was Joe Biden's recorded admission before the CFR.
@Sabretooth can’t believe Trump is threatening the whistleblower.
them and anyone who's supplying the whistleblower with the evidence against him. if you have to use threats-it's because you're scared-if you are innocent-what's there to be afraid of?
@Sabretooth That’s true!
i knew he was insane when he was running for office. the longer this madman remains-the more these lives are in danger.
@Sabretooth What bothers me are his delusional supporters. Madman would just be madman living in New York if not for the delusional people who voted for him.
agreed. he insulted them live... and they refuse to accept it: he should've been abandoned and locked away on this very day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA
turn CNN off.
@poeticjustice10313 Done a long time ago. Cannot avoid hearing people talk. Perhaps I should move to a monastery, but even there, there would be no peace from the media...
Obama was far worse for world peace than Trump, if anything Trump has moved us closer to world peace.
On what grounds? That you don't like him? That's not good enough. There's no legal standing to make impeachment.
Sup Sue, I personally think it's pointless because all politicians are corrupt to some degree.
@Jennifer_32 Are you talking to me?In that case, I can only agree. You need to have a lack of self esteem and decency to even want to be in politics.
Yes, I'm talking to ya Sue. Also you gonna update your avatar and banner yet? Any fictional characters ya like? I normally change my avy and banner to some random cartoon character. Makes my login look nice.
@Jennifer_32 I used to have a banner and avatar but took it down. At that time when I registered, a guy did it for me and put up the portrait of a random lady. I found out later that this girl was, let's say, of low morals, and then I had it taken down and that guy is no longer considered a friend of mine.I am perfectly happy leaving it as it is. When the picture was up, I had dozens of follow requests and now that I don't have any, I get hardly any. I have more than 300 pending follow requests that I just ignore.I don't want to have to fight those requests off just because of an avatar I put up.
Sue good on you. But on the other hand it does show how much power you a woman have over men. Just like that so many men wanted to connect with you. Many of them would have kissed up to you and did whatever you told them to do. Also Sue what is mho and why can't I get it as high as yours?
@Jennifer_32 Well, I am not seeking fame and if people only want to follow you solely because of a picture you have, then I don't see it as a compliment for something I have achieved but just for the looks. As for the MHO, it takes a long time to get a high number. You have to give answers that the asker or GAG thinks is worth rewarding with an MHO.
Nope. Unlike republicans I actually picked up the Muller Report and had my professor explain it to me, since as a former lawyer he would have the capability to interpret better than a civilian.
@Hypnos0929 as a former lawyer your professor should have explained that short of a conviction, any suspect is innocent.
@gotc147 @gotc147 Not true at all. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also Muller already said Trump is not necessarily innocent of criminal activity. He's an "unbias" (As unbias as one can be) of the report:www.google.com/url www.google.com/url
@gotc147 Bad link my bad:https://youtu.be/f71Rasj_0JY https://youtu.be/t3qjH7pFq_0
@Hypnos0929 Innocent until proven guilty means Trump is innocent as he has not been proven guilty.Your former lawyer professor sucks at lawyering if he doesn't understand that.
@gotc147 Innocence is not the same as not guilty and when you've got a Congress and DOJ who refuses to even consider prosecution there's no way to put a POTUS in a court room.The facts are there is evidence he committed a crime and Mueller said Congress and the DOJ need to strong consider over turning their stance against impeaching acting presidents.
@Hypnos0929 Cool story bro.
@gotc147 How is that a story? The facts are Potus controls the DOJ and Congress as of right now and they've both chosen to protect their own rather than do what's right. When you choose tribalism over your nation you're choosing to ignore problems.
@Hypnos0929 Says the 19 year old kid who still probably thinks Trump colluded with Russia.You're a victim of zohnerism, brainwashed into believing lies. Trump has been 100% exonerated by the Mueller report and this latest nothingburger of a story with Ukraine is equally nonsense.Maybe one day you will grow up and learn how things work, until then, get lost.
@gotc147 1) I don't believe Trump colluded with Russia. Why? Because the Mueller report found no evidence of that.2) You're the brainwashed one. I've given you plenty of evidence and you have nothing to defend your point of view other than saying "Innocent until proven guilty". Even then the 2 videos explain why the DOJ and Congress can not, from a legal perspective, find Trump guilty.3) The Mueller report says on Page 369: "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the president declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.". That's obstruction of justice.4) If growing up means ignoring all evidence then you must be in the upper echelon of age because you can't even prove any evidence against his criminal activities.
@Hypnos0929 If Trump is not guilty, then he is innocent, that is how law works, your failure to understand this does not make me brainwashed.Anything Mueller or anybody else says that isn't hard evidence is speculation. Unless you can prove that Trump did anything specifically with the intention of obstructing justice, then you have no evidence. You're interpreting evidence to fit a theory instead of interpreting a theory to fit the evidence, as Mueller did.Your argument boils down to what's called an appeal to authority fallacy. Someone in a position of authority, Mueller in this case, said something and you take it as gospel. I'm telling you how law works, if you can't prove it, which you can't, it didn't happen as far as the law is concerned.You can speculate all you want, but running around yelling Trump committed a crime is a blatant falsehood because you have no way of proving his intent when he did the things you say are criminal.
@gotc147 So what I'm hearing is 1) You watched neither video I posted which set up the issue against president Trump2) You are willing to ignore obstruction of justice because the United States, under DOJ policy, can never legally arrest the president.3) You believe, despite the investigation team's findings that Trump is innocent because he can't be charged.With all that being said there's no point in arguing with you because you've failed to look at the evidence from a non bias perspective and are using a legal loophole to call the current POTUS innocent. Come back when you're willing to judge him as a citizen of the United States and not a man, who according to the department he controls, is above the law.
@Hypnos0929 1) No I didn't waste time listening to your propaganda.2) The President CAN be indicted.3) I believe, correctly, that Trump has the authority as President to do all the things he did that you think are criminal. He had the authority to fire James Comey and have private meetings with him, he had the authority to ask Jeff Sessions to not recuse himself, he had the authority to express his opinion about Michael Flynn... He never, at any point, exceeded his authority, so any charge of obstruction would be virtually impossible to prove.So again, it comes down to intent, what were Trump's intentions in doing the things he did? Given that there was NO UNDERLYING CRIME on his part since the whole ordeal started with the now-disproven claim of Russian collusion, the most logical explanation is that Trump simply felt, correctly, that James Comey was unfit for the job, that Jeff Sessions should have had a pair and not recused himself, etc.You're a potato, you believe there is obstruction of justice when there was nothing to obstruct since, as we both have said, there was no collusion. There is FAR more evidence of Trump's innocence than there is of his guilt, but you WANT him to be guilty, you WANT him to have committed a crime, so you interpret the evidence as such and ignore exonerating evidence.There is plenty of bias here, but it isn't coming from me.
@gotc147 1) Those are both legal perspectives of the case, not related to political opinions. You'd know that if you were unbias on the case.2) The DOJ will not indicate a sitting president. They have said so. Show me proof that they will.3) Trump used his, as you put it, authority to intervene in a case that was about him. He shouldn't have been able to touch the case and acted like Nixon by doing so. To make attempts in entering a case about ones self is obstruction on any level. It's why if a cop is being investigated it's not by his department, it's done by internal affairs. 4) You are clearly bias because you are guessing at Trump' s true intentions. You're making an assumption so he can be innocent in your eyes. If you were unbias then you'd state the fact that the DOJ will not indite a sitting present and you'd have taken the 30 seconds worth of time to realize Legal Eagle is a certified lawyer who deals with Legal case without injecting politics. You're assuming I'm bias because I'm putting the facts of the case forward without injecting my optical opinions. You insulted me because of my age, insulted me by assuming i want Trump to be guilty, and made multiple attempts at name calling and assumptions about my beliefs to discredit me. Your own cognitive dissonance is keeping you from looking at the facts and assuming because im stating immediate, credible facts that I must be an opposition.
@Hypnos0929 You are an opposition, you're a young know it all who has made up his very limited mind on the merits of an appeal to authority fallacy.You are, at the very least, doing the same thing you accuse me of doing when it comes to speaking of Trump's intent. The reality is you have no proof that his intentions were to obstruct the investigation and since, like I said, there was no underlying crime, it makes no sense that he would try to obstruct it. I'm not guessing, I'm using logic and reason and deferring to the legal standard. The bottom line is there is no solid proof of obstruction and Trump wouldn't even have motive to obstruct in the first place due to his innocence of the very accusation that sparked the Mueller probe. Thus, given the lack of motive and the plentiful reasonable doubt PLUS the President's legal authority to do all the things he did, no crime has been committed. Thus, your incorrect assertion that Trump cannot be indicted as a sitting President, even if it were true, is moot.All you have is speculation that Trump intended to impede the investigation into Russian collusion. Something he had zero reason to want to do since he did not collude with the Russians.And then you whine about the powers the President has. Well, tough shit little boy, welcome to adulthood, you'll find a lot of people have power that they shouldn't, it's called life, buckle up.
@gotc147 That's how I know I've beaten you in the argument instead of relying in the facts you've resorted to name calling and attempts at making me the small guy. How about you stick to the facts.Trump interfered in the investigation in the same way one gets held in contempt of court, by not following procedure. His mistake was firing people he knew he shouldn't have and his legal team more than likely advised against it. I would tell you to watch the videos but we both know you won't because they include facts, and you apparently don't like those when they come from someone who doesn't say "Yes master".
@Hypnos0929 I did use facts, you're just too blind and dumb to see it.You're in for a very rough adulthood.
@gotc147 Back with the insults instead of denying your overt biases.
@Hypnos0929 There is nothing else to say to someone as gone as you.
I hope not
Why? Because he treats woman and minorities like everyone else? OHHH THE TRAUMA
@joanofarcher yeah because that’s what he does 🙄🙄 he a piece of shit to women... I know that you have to know the video footages that have been leaked because you’re speaking like you’ve done all your research?
Are you watching the director of national intelligence testifying right now? What are your thoughts?
@TonyBologna25 Not watching. Going to my office now.
Who cares if you like him... is the country going in the right direction? That is all that counts, not if you "like" them.Do you believe the country would be doing better if Hillary were president or if Biden or Warren are president?
I don't personally like him either, but the Neo-Marxists war mongers in the DNC are infinitely worse. I'll take the flu over stage four cancer any day of the week.
I'm saying I don't like him because yes, I'd love to see him out of office, but at this point what does it matter? There's only a year left in his term. No, I don't think the country is going in the right direction but I also don't think that everything can be blamed on him. I don't know who would be better (from any party), but I personally don't feel that he's a good person let alone president.
Two thumbs down so far: 1 from Donald and 1 from Vladimir... both pretending to be gurls.Who Makes for a Prettier Girl... Donald or Vlad? ↗
If you can't accept a birth certificate, then I won't accept a transcript.
@legalboxers irrelevant to this criminal act. the two are unrelated. www.wsj.com/.../...988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html by the way here's Biden admitting to it on video. He's screwed, while once again, there's no evidence of ANY impeachable offense committed by President Trump. But don't let that stop your Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's kinda funny to watch.
@Opinion Owner please tell me... How is that Greenland deal going, and.. Did you lock her up yet? #DRINKTRUMPADE #DRINKFOXKOOLDAID And tell me about that YUGE CROWD SIZE. and.. Where are Hillary's emails? Hm. Go back to your basement slappy. Lunch isn't ready yet, and if you are a good little boy, you can take off that red helmet and your mother will give you back your Ivaka Trump Doll to play with your Donald Trump Doll..#SORRYNOTSORRY