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Here is why the dictionary has the word nieve but spelled right, in the last Calif elections voted to pass tax raises on every request, who are you kidding, that is election fraud do you really think with that successful level of audacity every angle of voter fraud isn't going on, you really need to get out more sweety
Says the fucking Russian.
@DDlgNoShame They should know!
That’s why nobody likes you.
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The links you posted were:-Based on preliminary data that hadn't been properly analyzed-Cherry picked an individual case-Based on the "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence argument"-A few cherry picked cases-Based on the conjecture of people who may have ulterior motivesBut when data is properly analyzed what is apparent is that voter fraud is very rare.[https://www. washingtonpost. com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/13/the-disconnect-between-voter-id-laws-and-voter-fraud/]. Way to Gish Gallop AGAIN -_-
But we also have (properly analyzed) data that shows voter suppression is a real issue:https://www.aclu.org/facts-about-voter-suppression
Wow your just a complete idiot aren't you? Its cherry picked? So your saying that all of the occurences of voter fraud are only some of the occurences of voter fraud and thus proving my point that voter fraud is a real issue? Seriously, your horrible at this and I don't know why you keep trying because your not particularly smart, in fact I would guess your probably below average in at least your ability to critically think. God your pathetic on so many levels its just to the point of being sad really. At least come up with a rational argument that doesn't actually prove my point. But anyway, your wrong, my points stand (by your own inadvertent admission no less) and you don't get to argue that one persons data doesn't count but your one piece of bias evidence that doesn't take into account all the other persons data (because you actually have cherry picked your "data" i. e. one guy saying it doesn't count) or because it doesn't happen in every county it therefore cannot have an impact (which is idiotically stupid (we fight over districts and states so these occurences very much have an impact)).
No, I'm saying that your cherry picking individual cases to make it look like a bigger issue than voter suppression but apparently you lack the basic comprehension skills needed to realize that. by the way, one guy saying doesn't count unless he cites his sources which looked at data from across the country (that's not cherry picking, that's harvesting the whole orchard).And now you're back to Gish galloping ad hominems -_-
No, your saying the data doesn't count because you don't like it. When you give examples of actual incidences, I believe their was fifteen their, that's not cherry picking, that's showing that voter fraud is real. When you then back that up with showing that in multiple counties in just one swing state their are more people registered to vote then their are people and in another their is near 100% voter registration despite the national average being about 50%, these are proof that it exists and its a problem (especially when you have swing states which decide most of the election simply because they actually have to be fought over harder then others). Meanwhile whats your evidence of voter suppression exactly? People wanting them to have an ID to prove that their a legal citizen? That people with felonies are not allowed to vote because they violated the law (commited murder rape etc.)? But I cherry picked? I'm sorry do you know what that means? Of course you don't, its you after all. Listen its been fun hearing you argue for why reality doesn't count but I have better things to do then beat my head against the brick wall of your ideological zealotry, your not capable of thinking, your not capable of critical thought your not capable of questioning yourself or your beliefs and to top it all off your an elitist dip shit who can't even provide a modicum of evidence to back up any of his claims (yet wishes to dismiss the six different sources I provided because you don't like what it says about your world view (because on top of being an elitist dip shit, your also a intellectual coward.).
15 cases in a country of 325,000,000 is hardly a serious issue and if you think that's not cherry picking, then YOU have no clue what cherry picking is. But the case for more ballots being cast than registered voters is mostly based on faulty tally methods, NOT voter fraud.www.snopes.com/.../But the IDs you need to vote go above and beyond what's required to prove that you're a citizen in many places (see the video). It's easy to dismiss 6 links when all they're doing is performing your Gish Galloping for you.
You can register to vote in minutes."Who can registerYou can register if you’re both: aged 16 or over (or 14 or over in Scotland) a UK citizen (or an Irish, EU or Commonwealth citizen with a permanent UK address)You can check which elections you’re eligible to vote in.You can vote when you’re 18 or over. If you live in Scotland, you can vote in Scottish Parliament and local elections when you’re 16....If you’re a student, you can register at both your university and home address. You can only vote once....You only need to register once - not for every election."https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
Think it through. How can you show voter fraud when many states have no voter ID? Now think about this: millions of illegals, no ID required to register or vote, no checks at the polling places, and a vested interest in making sure people who support amnesty and freebies for illegals get elected. In 2020 try checking out some Southern California polling places and see how many people cannot even speak English.
Yeah, because we really need more clueless people voting...
@zagor : Voters don't need your clearance to vote. It's a right that is basic to our democracy. And it's the only we will keep our democracy.
They don't, but they also don't need buses going around hovering up people to take them to the polls and conveniently offering a few tips on the way.
I'm neither, but when your state has no voter ID requirements and 2/3 of the people at the polling station cannot speak English you know that voter fraud is for real.
Nope. A lot of states have no voter ID and large illegal alien populations. Go to some polling places in Southern California and educate yourself. In many places half or more of the voters cannot speak English. We also have online registration in ten languages and no ID requirements.
Yes, because everyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed. If you move to or live in California and watchthe hundreds of people who cannot speak English voting, you will know the truth.
What was the point of that link?
It's a mechanism by which voters are flagged to be purged from rolls if someone with a similar name is registered to vote in a different state, even if they don't have the same SSN or middle initial. It impacts voters of colour in practice more than white voters, because the former share a smaller number of surnames.Voter fraud is almost unheard of, but election fraud is still around, check out North Carolina's 9th congressional district, where the Republican candidate paid people to illegally collect absentee ballots.en.wikipedia.org/.../Mark_Harris_(North_Carolina_politician)
So fraud is still more of an issue. As I said
Voter fraud is where the voters cheat, election fraud is where a candidate does. The former's not a problem, the latter is.
@goaded where did I said voter?
@goaded by the way there is voter fraud in the US as well, jsyk
You didn't say voter fraud, true, but it was in the question.As for voter fraud, like I said, it's almost unheard of.Even the Heritage Foundation says the amount of voter fraud is lower than half the amount of animal poop the FDA allows in coffee (10g in 500,000). They don't put it that way, of course!www.heritage.org/.../instances-voter-fraud-continue-mount-further-compromising-our
@goaded Collecting ballots is fraud? If that is true, then over a dozen California Democrats stole their seats via ballot harvesting.
@Liam_Hayden It is, when "In addition to illegal collection and handling of ballots, ballot tampering was admitted in witness testimony, including filling in blank votes to favor Republican candidates."Apparently, collecting ballots in California was legal at the last election, but not in NC.
If they are allowed to do it the its not fraud.
@oldoldold Well said. They're allowed to vote in things like school board elections, nothing state-wide or national.
They vote in presidential elections. How?Licenses/DMV IDs issued to them. Then on election day they let them just show their CA issued ID to submit a paper ballot. Ballots have no identifying marks so once they mix them with the rest of the ballots they are all counted.I saw it myself at a polling place in the valley of CA.
@goaded Yep. I know you from before. Very liberal and deny truth so I don't care about your opinions. They are invalid to me. Can't legitimately expect me to believe the opposite of what I have seen IRL.
Really? You just show your ID, and you can vote in as many precincts as you want? Or do you have to have registered to vote?
Obviously. Online registration in ten languages. ID requested but not required. Everyone registered can vote by mail.https://registertovote.ca.gov/
So 31 cases out of voter fraud out of the billions of ballots cast is a bigger problem than ~1/2 the country not voting?
1/2 the country isn't voting because they're "suppressed". they're not voting because they're lazy or stopped caring about the monkey show that is our government.
That's an opinion but that 1/2 the country doesn't vote is a fact.
And it's also a fact that countries with a more laxed voter registrations system have a higher turnout.foreignpolicy.com/.../
Considering who keeps getting elected we may want to make it even harder to vote.
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