Oh, wow.Breaking News: Tehran admits to downing the aircraft due to human error. It's in its state-news:www.presstv.com/.../Iran-Ukraine-plane-crash
I remember and we paid massive reparations for it
「A Ukrainian plane which crashed earlier this week outside Tehran had flown close to a sensitive military site and brought down due to human error, General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran says.」
I heard that they also blamed us for 911 for the same reason
Well, I think it's pretty clear that the Wright brothers were also responsible for 9/11. Those fucking ass clowns down in Kitty Hawk... It's all their damn fault!
Why do you think anyone would go go to war over a passenger plane that was shot down?I mean, that it was shotndown does not imply that they deliberately targeted that plane.And Canada is not exactly the country at the forefront to wage war against Iran. So far, the US intelligence have confirmed that it was shot down and they also are not remotely close to waging war about ut
Yes we do have proof from satellites
CTV relieced video footage, and multiple intelligence agencies have come foreward with the plane being shot down, if I was one of the passengers I would want to be avenged.
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There's really no reason for Iran to "give up" the black box. The crash happened in their airspace so it's their responsibility. In more ways than one, it appears.
... and by crash of course I mean, er... incident. Not so much a crash as a rain of debris.
@EnglundUberAlles It's irrelevant now, as they've admitted it was a cock up on their side. As I said, the truth will find its way out, and it has. If this hastens the collapse of the clerical dictatorship there, then those people will not have died in vain.
But they refused to give the black boxes
I know. And they apparently invited the Americans over today. So this situation is likely to change. It’s not like anyone likes to admit they shot down an airliner anyway, like Ukraine in 2001
Tehran apparently agrees with you. Their admission of misfire was just reported in their state-news, and they vowed to prosecute the air-defense operator who did it.www.presstv.com/.../Iran-Ukraine-plane-crashThey did make a mistake of the initial cover-up, as far as I'm concerned. If they admitted it immediately, it would indeed have been embarrassing, but that would have boosted their credibility.
But that general blew up embassies that killed hundreds of Americans. Isn’t that an act of war or do you not give a fuck?
Plus they didn’t down an American airliner. They shot down a Ukrainian one that had no Americans but did have about 60 Canadians.
I feel bad about the people but yeah, that’s what I thought, you nailed it.
It’s horrible if it’s intentional. No evidence at this point to prove it was intentional to shoot down the airliner. Also, SAM systems do fail and human operators do make mistakes
I mean, it’s horrible either way. But you can’t really blame them if its accidental
@tartaarsaus It's a pretty big fucking mistake.That kind of shit shouldn't happen in my opinion by accident or not.It's bullshit.That's a lot of dead people.Dead kids.Fuck them guys and their missiles.
Well, if countries possess those weapons and if there are commercial airliners, there is always a risk of mistakes even with procedure to decrease the probability
@tartaarsaus Like I said: "Fuck them guys."If it was your kid or family on that plane you wouldn't be so forgiving.
That’s not exactly relevant
Whether it’s someone close to someone who died, that doesn’t change the fact that you can’t really blame them for murder or whatever if it was accidental
@tartaarsaus That's bullshit.There are people responsible for those systems.If it was an accident then they obviously were never made correctly to begin with.Or the people in control of them don't know what the fuck they are doing.Not to mention Iran has done what they can to cover up and tamper with evidence already.There were 63 Canadians on that plane.Canada is probably still waiting to even get into Iran to investigate.To me it's all bullshit.If you murder a plane full of innocent people it's like a drunk driver killing a family.They shouldn't have those missiles to begin with.They're incompetent and yes those people on that plane do matter.
I'll agree with you after we drop atomic bombs on iran
I still dont understand why japan dont drop atomic bombs on america
because they don't have atomic bombs. And if you knew how vicious they were in WWII you'd approve of them being bombed. Do some research on Japanese atrocities, rapes, genocide...
You do remember that Japan started the war don’t you? You must also know the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren’t the largest loss of life from a bombing campaign. That title goes to the fire bombing of Tokyo. You must also remember the bombs weren’t a surprise. We gave them fair warning what we had and that we’d use it and they blew us off twice. It was only when we told them a third was coming that they surrendered. Shame on Japan when it was obvious they couldn’t win yet they allowed even more death and destruction to their people. What do you think of Japan now?
@SuccessfulHornDog I agree with you 100% Japan got what it deserved. I was raised to never buy Japanese products that's how much it meant to the men in my family that fought in the wars.
@Justlooking15 they were just as bad as the Nazis
@SuccessfulHornDog Japan has never apologized for their war crimes and atrocities
@SuccessfulHornDog yes they weere
The reason for the a-bomb to be used in Japan was to SAVE many more lives in the long run than were lost in the bombing. And after that, the United States set-up Japan to rebuild its infrastructure better than ever. Japan doesn't drop a-bombs on the US because the Japanese aren't stupid.
No one will seriously challenge the power the the United States.
And what tf is america doing in many muslim countries?
Saudi Arabia asked us to be there
So did Kuwait
So you are saying Afghanistan ask it for it? Why tf are you guys killing citizens?
Actually if you know your history which so far you don’t appear to it was the Soviet Union that invaded Afghanistan in hopes of Soviet expansion. We supplied the rebels with arms. The Soviets failed and in the chaos afterward the Taliban and other anti western terrorist groups moved in. Then came 9/11. We traced much of the source coming from Afghanistan so we attacked the Taliban and other groups responsible. As far as killing civilians we do not target civilians specifically. These backward Muslim terrorists know this so they hole up in schools, churches, anywhere there’s lots of civilians around so they can use them as human shields and make morons like you feel sorry for them. You should be directing your anger to the terrorists for not caring about their own people and putting them in harms way deliberately. The General we took out was no different. He too went everywhere surrounded by innocent civilians and he’d been on our hit list for years but we never had a clear shot. Then he finally fucked up and we got him. If we really didn’t care about civilians we would’ve killed him and not given a shit who else was killed years ago. Same with Bin Laden. You need to do your homework
It’s your Muslim terrorist that specifically targets civilians like embassies and the events on 9/11
There is no fucking proof that it was people from afghanistan.
Yes there was. We followed the money. You don’t understand our technology superiority
Why tf are you guys still in Afghanistan?
You are potraying aa if america is hero and rescue everyone but america is nothing a but a shithole who murder innocent people
Again there is no 100% evidence it was the afghanistan. You guys seeking for excuses to invade in random countries.
Well when a terrorist group openly declares war on you like the Taliban did us what would you do? They won’t surrender even though they know we can lay waste to the entire country if we so wanted. They have every intention of carrying out more terrorist attacks against innocent civilians and we’re there to prevent them.
That isn’t true. I told you the truth
you're living in denial or nothing honest with us. We didn't go into Afghanistan for fun.
or not being honest
Look. I wouldn’t say America should be attacked but we should pull out of countries and keep to ourselves unless asked. I agree that we fucked up plenty of places and need to leave people alone. I also understand your sentiment.I just don’t think that more killing is the answer. It will be a never ending cycle of retribution. But I agree somewhat Pink Anon.
@Anoniemus we were asked. What would you have done in response to 9/11? Nothing?
Nothing to do with the question. They don’t want us there anymore so we should leave. Just like how we got involved with Vietnam and it was none of our business.
@Anoniemus we went there in response to 9/11. As far as Iran themselves they’ve been at war with us since 1979. They have spread terror around the world not just targeting us. When a country that harbors or aides terrorists keeps killing civilians of your country what are you going to do? Join hands and sing Kumbaya?
You don’t invade that country. You tell the citizens to leave. Should they attack us for how Muslims are being treated unfairly here and the racism against Arabic people? Same difference.
@Anoniemus it is not. We can’t tell another countries citizens to leave. Are you insane? What would that do? Most couldn’t afford to leave anyway. Answer my question. What would be your response to 9/11
Your question is as irrelevant as you are. If they got there, they would be able to leave. The people who go there aren’t strapped for cash. You warn travelers who are wanting to go there and the citizens already there that it is not safe. You don’t just invade. If you agree with that, then you should agree with them attacking us for what we’re doing
@Anoniemus we’ve done nothing. What would be your response to 9/11?
@Anoniemus who’s side are you on?
Actually if you have never served the military for any country then this is a sense less question. Live where you want to but it amazes me how so many people gate the USA but yet every freeloader is trying is living off of the USA.
@Justlooking15 I am a Navy vet
Typo gate the USA was hate the USA. USA is in my mind the greatest!!!
It doesn’t need to even mistake it for a military plane. To be fair, depending on the distance between SAM system and the plane, it could just as well have been an errant missile launched by a trigger-happy Iranian who saw an anomaly. A Russian airliner was shot down over Turkey just like that in 2001. The errant missile missed its drone target and locked automatically on to the airliner. But that of course assumes distance between system and jet and also speculation.
Who says they did it on purpose?
I’m just looking at what happened. What makes you think it wasn’t deliberate?
They’d have no reason to shoot it down
How do you know that?
Because there is no reason to shoot it down. It’s an airliner full of people who passed Iranian customs.If there were individuals on board to arrest, they’d have done so before. If they didn’t want that plane to take off, they could have done so easily by just contacting air traffic control.
A missile was fired. A plane was destroyed. Everyone on the plane died. None of that is in dispute.
Yes. That does not imply that it was aimed at the plane itself. Missiles launched can actually automatically lock on to other flying objects. That’s how the Ukrainians shot down a Russian airliner in 2001. All it then takes is one trigger-happy Iranian at a time where they expect immediate retaliation after they happened to bomb the US, and Trump threatened to retaliate
Iran has admitted it
Well Trump started this before asking from congress and now they voted to silence Trump.
One Democrat has already said its Trumps fault
Doesn't surprise me. Bunch of blame shifting idiots.
Of course. Where’s the hatred against Iran for doing it?
The news reported there was hatred for Iran doing it
Not to the levels of Trump taking out a terrorist that killed hundreds of Americans
How did I know you were going to relate this to trump. I thought about not answering your question because you might have asked based on your agenda.
Don’t feel bad, fresh. Almost everything like this he eventually makes it to be about trump or liberals.
It’s been confirmed by satellite
I haven’t heard anything about that yet. Can you link the source to me?
It’s been on Fox News. The satellites saw two heat plumes out of Tehran and tracked them to impact. They fired two missles. Are you in complete denial how evil their regime is?
The US has shot down civilian airliners before. Can't you see that both are the same shit?
@SoWhAt249 we only did it once and paid 60 million in reparations to each family affected
Sorry but Fox News is hardly credible as a source. Also, how did you extrapolate my request for source material, with somehow being in denial? That’s a big stretch
I find fox among the most credible
I know you do, but I don’t. You find it credible because you agree with them. I don’t because I remember ample times where they spouted demonstrable lies. :/ So please, tell me how you extrapolated my request for a source as being in denial?
From geolocalisation, they found a missile part. Also multiples video where you can see the plane become a ball of fire. It is confirmed. Iran government also said "it was an error, we thought it was an American aircraft" something like that. But they admitted they shot down a boeing 767.
So is anybody going to link me to a source? Preferably one that isn’t Fox News or breitbart.
What’s wrong with Fox?
Never just trust what Fox News puts out. They have a bad habit of showing that the story that they put on TV is an opinion piece in the fine print. Fox News feeds on angry people that are not interested in learning the facts. That said, the collective evidence points to the airliner being shot down by missiles. However, the USA needs to take a moment and get all of the info we can before we make a reaction. It almost seams like the reactions from Iran's government and Iran's military are separate. We dont need a war. We need the individual (s) who ordered the strike that killed civilians to pay for their crimes.
Iran's government has already admitted they shot the plane down.www.aljazeera.com/.../...lane-200111040653138.html
This summarizes what I’m talking about, Carl. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_controversiesI’m still waiting to how you made the leap from info to denial.
So no other news source has ever had controversy?
Of course they do. But Fox is notorious for bad information or misinterpreted information.
So how did you make that logic leap? I’m still waiting for your explanation. Is it that you thought I was some liberal fool?
Yes I thought you were some liberal fool
Iran has admitted it...
I’m aware of that now, Jersey. Before I wasn’t aware of anything. Ah lol next time check before jumping the gun, love.
The bottom sentence was to Carl, not you.
you tell him, fagg
Yes there is. Our satellites that keep a watch on them saw two heat plumes and followed them to impact. They fired two missles