Apparently the commander of the IRGC air force indeed said that the operator thought it was a cruise missile flying towards Tehran, hence engaged.
Cruise missile at 8,000 feet? No. Also, the 738 would have been climbing at approx. 250 KIAS until it hit 10,000 feet... hardly a "cruise missile" profile.
Okay. There’s no reason they’d purposely shoot down an airliner.
I mean, if there was somebody on board they wanted to not leave the country, there are ways to do so without shooting the plane down.Such as, you know, telling airtraffic control to not let that plane take off? Or to not let that person board the plane?That is both very much possible, I doubt it’d have more grave consequences than just shooting down a plane with 176 lives on board
No reason that we know of. There could have been key people on the aircraft the IRGC wanted dead.
And why exactly would shooting down a plane be a better solution than the thing they’ve been doing for years, making up bogus crimes and locking them away for 15 years in Iran?I mean, they can stop the plane from taking off. They can arrest someone. Like I said, no reason to shoot down that plane. Far more likely it is just an accident
Or you know, killing them while in Iran. You can have them run over by a car or a bus. Far less profile, far less collateral damage, no international condemnation, nothing to be paid, no harm to your reputation.
That's true enough. I guess we have to chalk this up to "hire the handicapped" in the IRGC "Surface to Air Missile Program". They probably learned how to hire idiots in key positions by stealing US government quota program guidelines.
Everyone shoots down civilian airplanes on accident, it's more common than you'd think.
@JesseTheMan no when it’s from your own airport in your capital city and you didn’t want to and no one was attacking you.
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To be fair, this could definitely have been a mistake (seems to me that it probably was), an assassination is with exactly the goal to kill. Sure, they should pay up, but it is completely different from an assassination
You mean a year before you were born?
@KrakenAttackin Almost twenty years ago. I guess the war's just slightly younger than me. Dosen't mean I can't recognize it for what it is. You're only 40 but you can probably recognize how Vietnam was left to be recaptured after the U. S. pulled out. Pointless to win a war at great cost when you government back home destroys what was fought for.
I am actually 50 but the system fucked up my age. Vietnam was a gigantic cluster fuck. The Gulf war did prevent the consolidation of oil resources (which was the real reason for the first gulf war). The second gulf war could have been for the same reason. The beauty now is that we don't need the gulf oil, so I hope we never have to do a large scale deployment again to the gulf.I would rather see American troops snatching Canadian and Mexican oil reserves than the Persian Gulf oil.
@KrakenAttackin We don't need it, we should just stop the waste already going on. I live in the bakken, natural gas is cheap and not a great fuel, but we have an amazing surplus. Flares here have been going for 5+ years now. I can't remember the statistic, but mind-boggling amounts are being burnt.
I totally agree. Let LNG carry us to the eventual hydrogen economy. As you probably already know, the real key is transportation fuels.
A whole omelette!
I remember hearing that Iran first blamed the death on an engine failure and I was like "That was a North American Boeing class 737 passenger jet. How can something as simple as an engine failure cause it to explode mid-air?"
@Historylover18 Since it was probably the decision of an individual or small set of individuals, they probably weren't sure what happened at first either.
Wait, we have a Supreme Bitch? Who is it?
To the person who disliked my comment because I compared the US government to Nazi Germany just remember something... When Trump was elected fascists, alt-rights and Nazi supporters decided to rise and praise Trump that speaks for itself. The US practicing illegal methods of torture at Guantanamo Bay during the Bush years, people children in detention centers without their parents and trying to expel an entire group of people (the Muslims) ... Yeah, that doesn't sound like Nazi-Germany (sarcasm) only a fool who reads this and respects the American government will see the day it collapses and burns to the ground. You reap what you sow America, just take a look at this video. The US invades Iraq, US murders over 1 million Iraqi's in the early 2000s, then the US threatens Iraq it would cripple Iraq's economy, then the US threatens we are not leaving Iraq... Eh, to any Americans reading this F**k the USA. youtu.be/zS6Z2LccHbc?list=LL7hvI8_CrDgtWNfW5bZSz5w
They didn't until Trump gave Trudeau the intelligence to substantiate the shootdown. What surprises me is that Trudeau had the balls to go public, he is such a little cuck-bitch.
@KrakenAttackin you're not kidding. He's a black face wearing pussy
Why would you say that? Are you giving up already beautiful lady?
how so? the general we killed, was responsible for 1500 Iranians innocent lives, and 600 us soldiers deaths. clearly iran knew it was a plane, you can't mistake a plane for a Cruise Missile, they knew what they did the minute they shot it down. Sit Anonymous kid.
Gsm is ignorant about how radar works in a war zone. Decisions have to be made very quickly, with limited information. In the case of the airline shot down by Iran, the controller has to make a decision as to whether the blip on the radar was a cruise missile, or something else. He has about ten seconds to decide. He tried to contact his superior, but was unable to do so, on such short notice. He has about ten seconds to decide. Unfortunately, he chose wrong, and killed over 170 innocent people on the plane. But that is the kind of miscalculation that happens when people are firing weapons. That is why Trump's brinkmanship is so dangerous. It does lead to miscalculation, and escalation of weapons firing, which so easily leads to war, and thousands more dying. Maybe many thousands more dying.
Lol you're an idiot, they weren't coming to Iran.. They were leaving... So easy to laugh at people like you.
Iran's a joke wait till the war their outdated technology will be destroyed by the wests superior technology and military China and Russia will have to save them
@Cocacolaaddict I hope you're the first one got killed
:D don't count on it DW your terrorist country will be destroyed and your bloodlust will be wiped out
If they were stupid enough to attack the US, we would leave them a smoldering, nuclear crater..
@worldscolide you think I'm afraid? you guys sounds like a little kid and only talk big
Just remember what we did to Japan.. You're next..
@worldscolide since when you did to Japan? uuuu im so scared. haha
Really... We dropped two nukes on them, killing millions.
@worldscolide they deserved that
as does iran
@worldscolide nope. they never territories in other countries, they never torture other humans like a dog. Japanese settle down in many countries and torturing people around and make them as their slaves. especially how they did to koreans and other Asians countries.
Lol and Iranians are innocent yeah? You yourself have already wished death upon me so it already shows your bloodthirsty ready to kill for the slightest offence just like trump and the media proclaims you are oh and that Ukrainian plane you shot down which left from your own airport so you knew full well it was full of civilians Iran deseves it and Japan did not deserve it the civilians are not responsible for the actions of the military it was war the Japanese killed soldiers not the civillians in war you kill the enemy army that's what they did the Americans were just mad that the Japanese did such a good job so they nuked Hiroshima with an atom bomb the civillians in that city were innocent and didn't deserve that
@Cocacolaaddict overall you gave the answer that America is same as Japanese. simple. Iran, they knew Ukrainian probably are going to leak out the information. plus Iran never kill people as much as America and Japanese did to civilians. America kept bombing almost every Arab countries same goes Japan did to Asian countries. you guys better root in hell
Based on what I'm reading and your lack of command in the English language I have to assume you never made it out of kindergarten.
@worldscolide this is what you got? English isn't important tho
So basically its OK to murder 172 innocent civilians from around the world who have no part in Any wrong doing to spite the government of a country that hasn't yet done anything wrong? And you wonder how Iran dosent deserve what's coming to them
You have to remember the op doesn't have the same respect for life as we do, I rather doubt she's even human @Cocacolaaddict
@worldscolide you guys aren't human either.
I guarantee you that the US would never shoot down a jet liner carrying civilian passengers, nor would we destroy a commerce center killing thousands.