Your argument doesn't make sense... if he was robbed and wasn't there how is a gun gonna solve that?
@Moondrop my argument isn't an argument... its a counter point as to why americans think differently to western europeans... the fact his neighbour was robbed perhaps made him more defensive where as we dont have a threat like that to deal with so much... interesting that as an American yourself you think of furthering a debate as arguing which in itself indicates the difference
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I don't think it's so much a difference of thought than it is a difference of laws. If I were robbed I wouldn't be packing on guns maybe an alarm system and cameras. I think anyone deals with robbery not just /Americans/. I'm not trying to argue just to make sense of what you're saying. I'm sorry if you feel like I am attacking you.
@Moondrop what im saying and ofcourse it can only be in general terms is that people here are being offered financial support from the government so dont feel the need to take from others so rather than it looking like a bad episode of the purge we are being more helpful rather than worrying about if we have enough and who might come and try to take it from us
@Moondrop and ofcourse as you are American if you can suggest another reason why we see people queuing up outside American gunstores at the moment i would love to hear it because its not like we are having a rush on knife sales over here... just toilet rolls lol
I don't think we're in a pristine situation to brag about how "helpful" we are being. If the president took the virus seriously earlier we wouldn't be in this much chaos.
A lot of people aren't educated on the virus and the panic is causing hysteria. The world isn't going to end but people feel the need to stock up like it is. I don't think knife sales have ever been on the same level as gun sales? Make it make sense!!
Just to chime in - on a social level, I don't think Americans are any different than other cultures; we organized a group of people in my neighborhood online about a week ago to take care of our elderly and immune compromised neighbors. And my city has banned evictions and utility cutoffs. But as @Moondrop points out, a lot of us feel like our President and others in the Federal government are so incompetent at handling this crisis that they can't be depended on at all. Compounding that, most Americans are taught from a very early age that you can't trust the government at all; the only ones you can trust are your family, friends and neighbors (in that order). So it makes sense that when cracks start to form in the government, people lose faith in its ability to keep order very quickly. The only alternative after that is to arm yourself.
@Moondrop thats my point though... we are all in this together but the reaction here is to help neighbours, not rob them but yeah trump isn't helping matters by only supporting his big business mates and not the actual people
@HungLikeAHorsefly yeah well like i told her im generalizing ofcourse and also open to more information on the subject but whilst trump is causing a lot of it its also true that here in a more liberal society we dont feel the same need to arm ourselves against the government or the heightened threat of others trying to take what we have so there is indeed a fundamental difference between peoples... remember we werent sold the American dream from birth and nor do many of us feel our governments would turn on us in such a way we would al regret not having the second ammendment
@HungLikeAHorsefly im pleased to hear that your local governments are doing a better job than your leader though and it surprises me just how little he is doing in the face of the upcoming election... you would think he was looking at an open goal
Wait, I think I'm a little confused. You aren't American, Wankiam? Perhaps, I really have misunderstood you.
@Moondrop no im from the uk which is why i was responding to the asker that its only ''dumb'' if you dont recognize the fundemental differences in our cultures... yes we are all westerners but a fellow european can't expect americans to think just like we do and to suggest they are all ''dumd'' isn't really fair
Well the UK is pretty unique in this regard - you've had a relatively stable government for a very long time. Other European nations would, in my mind, would historically have benefited from distrusting their government to the point of having something like our Second Amendment. Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Poland, Greece...
@HungLikeAHorsefly so you know i have a place in bulgaria too? they seem to all be looking after each other just fine too so i dont know where your stable state idea would fit in that... not so long back there was war in the balkans and before that they were behind the iron curtain... i also mention bulgaria though because they have guns... the difference being they are more likely to use them to shoot wild boar and then distribute the meat between friends and neighbours rather than to stop themselves getting robbed
I didn't know you have a place in Bulgaria, no. It's great that Europeans are helping each other out - a lot of Americans are too. I'm just saying that placing a lot of faith in your government is pretty myopic, especially when you're in a place that has a history of brutal regimes swooping in to take over the moment the government stops being trustworthy. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
@HungLikeAHorsefly well obviously if the advice didn't make sense people would soon have something to say about it but so far the uk primeminister is doing his best which is hell of a lot better than teresa may would have been doing right now and bulgaria seems to be taking a sensible approach too as far as my friends there are telling me... when it comes to america ofcourse there are selfless acts of kindness like anywhere else but the tribalism of the political enviroment seems to still be at the fore when really everyone needs to work through this together
Meh. Americans have an amazing ability to spend one minute bitching at one another about politics or the economy, and then help each other out the next minute. The tribalism these days is bad, but I don't think it'll really get in the way for most people. Now, Congress and the White House is a different story...
@HungLikeAHorsefly well i hope you are right because if anytime exists where we do all need to work together its now
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