Do you think injecting bleach into our systems is the cure for COVID19? (Page 2)
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Injecting bleach into you system come's death soon after.
But not from COVID-19
@Twalli
Nope bleach in a poison to the human body. š
Yes, so it would stop you from dying due to COVID-19. It would ensure you die before contracting it would kill you.
@Twalli LOL.
Here's what Trump actually said. He's basically rambling and talking to one of his medical advisers. Notably he doesn't mention bleach at all.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/OYJY_elndY8In a free world with free people - it should be left to the individual to try it or to not try it.
The rest is called 'natural selection'.
Did it last night now i woke up in a hospital looking like a potato
Nope it's not and please make sure no one try it after reading the question
Only foolish people take such chances with their lives or the lives of others.
Did the president actually suggest that anyone ingest or inject bleach?
In short, yes. Different words and more offhand but yes.
If you think he said that, you need to watch the video or read a transcript.
I did. He clearly said that disinfectants worked well on surfaces so we should start injecting it into the body and lungs specifically in his address to the American people.
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So itād be interesting to check that. So that youāre going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, weāll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. Thatās pretty powerful."
In which sentence did he suggest that people start injecting themselves with Lysol or bleach?
The fact that he said that it was a possible solution in his address to the nation. Context matters.
Oh, so he didn't actually say what you claimed that he said. I get it.
As I said, he used different words and said it in an offhanded way but he definitely did suggest that people should inject or ingest bleach. I remind you that this was a national address, as in that whole conversation was not necessarily addressed to his staff but to USA as a whole. He also claim to be an expert in the subject and put this forward as a possible solution, again in his national address.
This is also backed up with the fact that there is a sharp increase in people drinking bleach.
I am an expert on TDS and I think you have it.
You say that as if him talking about injecting the body with UV radiation lights earlier was not just as stupid and deadly as drinking disinfectants is.
I believe that he suggested it as a potentially interesting avenue of research. Light therapy is routinely used in the treatment of acne vulgaris so I don't think the suggestion is ludicrous though I would also not expect it to be as promising as some other possibilities.
Do you have any PROOF (actual facts, and not twisted suppositions) about an increase in infection of bleach?
Even merely asking if disinfectants could be injected to treat COVID19 is crazy. Who is stupid enough to even come up with that thought? Itās not even a clever hypothesis for research.
I agree that it was a stupid question to ask in a news conference, and it was very inartfully expressed. However, in the generic sense of the word, antibiotics are a type of disinfectant. But it was a stupid question. However, my complaint is with people claiming that he told us to go inject ourselves with bleach or Lysol, because he never said that.
Well understandably facts are still forthcoming since its a developing situation and as such I have only seen scattered reporting and also personal accounts. The most official and factual would probably be this from the CDC which shows a rise after Trumps white house address. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6916e1.htm
Also what he suggested is not "light therapy" but the usage of germicidal lamps. It destroys DNA and makes no distinctions between human or otherwise. Using it on your skin causes DNA damage in your skin and leads to cancer. Using it inside your body is many times worse because it does not have the radiation protection your skin has. Using it inside your lungs is pretty much a death sentence.
Antibiotics is not a form of disinfectant. Disinfectants are usually pure alcohol, strong acids and other chemicals that is universally deadly to all forms of life, that includes humans.
The report you cite summarizes exposures to disinfectants for January 1, 2020 - March 31, 2020. That really missed the mark, didn't it?
Fair enough, they have not updated the figures for April yet. Hardly surprising to be honest and is sort of why I started this conversation with "Well understandably facts are still forthcoming since its a developing situation". I dont know how often they release these reports, maybe they do it in 3 months intervals which would not be surprising but that is your best bet if you dont want to accept that I heard it from other sources.
Someone else told me they had a source for this "fact" and I read their source. It said that the poison control center in NYC had received 10 more inquiries about disinfectant exposure done the president's comments. It actually did not say that there had been even one ingestion related to the president's comments.
In this area, I want to see the sources because biases inevitably influence how we read and summarize such sources.
Sadly its not like I keep a running tally on what I heard and from where, that would imply that I actually cared more about it than the passing interest that it actually was. Suffice to say that the future report from the CDC should make it pretty clear although it seams like people have taken it to heart even before he said it which makes sense. After all its not like Americans are not known for pseudo medicine or the fact that there are communities already built upon drinking the stuff since earlier for some retarded "health" reason.
Actually, no he didn't, the media said he did. Anyone who reads the transcript will see he did not. Even the Left Leaning politifact had to acknowlege this:
"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."
www.politifact.com/.../
@genuinlysensitive Well you are wrong. I do not disagree that he probably did not mean it. I do not disagree that he did not use the exact wording however.. that is the general meaning you can derive from the things he said.
To sum it up. He describes himself as an expert and while addressing the country directly mentions a possible solution to the national problem and fear to be injecting their bodies with disinfectants which bleach is the most readily available one as well as the most well known one. Taking his words for it its reasonable to take this as an expert opinion and recommendation if someone were to ever try do something themselves.
And before you say something, yes Trump supporters are that stupid to derive this meaning and think its a good idea.
1. Just because you think it is reasonable to assume that this is what the president meant does not mean it is reasonable to the test of the planet. Trump haters look for the thinnest excuse to criticize, complain, whine, cry, and lie and they often do not feel constrained by reality. E. g., you claim a sharp increase in people ingesting bleach but have absolutely no facts to support your claim. The more that you insist that you are right, the more you exhibit the signs of TDS.
Not only do you enjoy seeing venom about the president, you are hateful towards anyone who disagree with you. According to you, everyone who voted for Trump is a moron.
I have had enough of your hatefulness and sanctimonious attitude. Goodbye and please do not respond;. I do not want to hear any more of your nonsense.
Oh please, I hope that the difference between what is meant, what is said and what is understood is not a new concept for you since they can have widely different understandings and considering what Trump says can only generously be called English its hardly a surprise when he fails to convey his meaning to the point of presenting a completely different statement. In fact he might just be the first one to completely fail at every step of that since usually at least two of those match fairly closely.
I mean if we take his drinking bleach statement its fairly clear that what he wanted to say has nothing to do with what he actually said which has nothing to do with what people actually understood from it. Quite the achievement I have to say.
As for evidence that people took his advice to heart? I have had enough evidence presented to me personally to satisfy me making that claim with reasonable certainty but you have to forgive me for not doing your research for you especially when we can't agree on the current facts anyway. You are free to ignore my claims of course but to insult my integrity is just a petty attack on me.
You can of course wait for the official report to come out eventually or even contact the CDC personally and ask them directly if you want to prove me wrong but I doubt you actually care about the facts in the first place as much as you care about arguing for the sake of supporting Trump.
But you are correct on one account. I do like to see Trump being trash talked, its humorous. Its like watching Idiocracy but as a reality show and is more extreme than any satire professionals like the Onion or other comedians can even hope to match. Watching people like you bending over backwards to try intellectually defend him is also hilarious.
As for threatening me with a ban, why would I care? You already did it once after all and I only remember it because I was laughing my ass of when I found out last time you got all snowflake over it.
I did not read your reply as I asked you to not reply. Apparently, I am not the one who doesn't understand basic English. You do not have some inherent right to continue as nauseum with your diatribe. Do you need for me to explain the meaning of goodbye?
Other.
It can work, but you need to drink an entire bottle, take another IV and then get into a bath of lye.
But to do it without killing your dumb ass? nope.
I'm not gon lie when I saw that the news actually posted that. I was like no way so I watched video of it, and I was disappointed. I was waiting for him to tell people to inject but he didn't, just an offhand remark. They were fucking liars lmao
Trump is a shit and that's why giving people shitty ideas
Why inject it when you can eat a tide pod and put it on youtube then try to test whether its a cure by licking a toilet seat, thats is is your alive
Every time you brush your teeth 25% of your toothpaste is fluoride. Fluoride is known to be an accelerator for cancer and causes cancer. They put poison in everything we have.
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Actually it Will work, but only in the effect of curing the problem by killing the patient. Yep, Covid won't be a problem if you are DEAD.
I think it was a foolish thing to say an joke about cuz many called an ask would if work to medical exsperts
It wasn't a joke, or sarcasm, it was a question to his advisors who didn't want to correct him publically. The disinfectant manufacturers have also been asked about it, and the people asking were the relatively smart ones.
You will not get sick and die from COVID-19 if you ingest enough bleach. I challenge you to find one person who doesn't believe that.
Dying from something different is one way to avoid getting Covid-19...
@Flower7 My point exactly. You can't die from COVID-19 if you inject yourself with bleach
If you believe this crap you obviously didn't listen to what he said.
And I remember many morons eating tidepods and thinking it was ok. Or snorting condoms up their noses.
I listened. It was stupid.
Then you didn't listen. He never talked about bleach or lysol or over the counter cleaners. He was relaying what was said in a meeting of doctors and specialist. Talking and asking and possible ideas to thwart this virus. It's what real leaders do. Ask questions of experts to better get an idea of what to do.
No, real leaders listen and *understand* what they are being told, that the measures were for the virus outside the body, not inside. How do you think he would have reacted to the obvious and honest response: that he'd totally missed the point?
Leaders dont get "told", that's a puppet. Leaders listen to ideas, ask questions and with the all the knowledge available make the best decision they can. He was getting info.
Not told what to do, told what the facts are. He obviously wasn't taking it in, and no-one was willing to risk their careers to explain it to him again.
You're right, leaders listen to ideas, ask questions and with the all the knowledge available make the best decision they can.
But they make the decision first, then explain it to the public.
He wasn't getting infomation, because nobody was willing to tell him he was wrong, which is a terrible situation for a leader to have put themselves in.
I also listened. It was stupid.
@Soteris @MrTaboo The press release from RB, the maker of Lysol and Dettol, says they'd "been asked whether internal administration of disinfectants may be appropriate for investigation or use as a treatment for coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2)."
Those are the relatively sensible ones, who asked before doing something stupid. We probably won't hear from the others...
www.rb.com/.../
@goaded I honestly dont have anything against the president asking stupid questions, they are not supposed to know everything after all but there is a time and a place for everything and this was definitely not the time.
Yeah well, the way I see it let the tidepod waters weed themselves out. If you're that stupid, Darwin Award time.
The competition will be ruthless this year. I wonder who will take the trophy?
@Soteris Don't worry, it's like Presidential Medals of Freedom, you can throw them around like confetti (although the Darwin Awards have to have a reasonable reason).
Real leaders listen to advisors who are hired for their expertise. Real leaders don't make dumb fucking suggestions pulled out of their ass to throw at them. He did suggest injecting disinfectant. And you defend Trump on this. Give your head a shake.
Of course not, thatās silly
Well, the virus can't survive without a host lol
Do you ever listen to what he says? Of course not because if you did, you'd know that's not what he said at all😒
That sounds like such a terrible idea!
And he didn't actually say it, anyone who reads the transcript can see it, even the far left politifact had to admit:
"The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus."
www.politifact.com/.../