That Biden's a communist?Seriously -_-
Biden is a string puppet.
It is sad to see that so many of you are thoughtful and reasonably articulate, but you are also deranged. So were the Nazi's. Like them, you are part of a mass hysteria. You are all sheep. You just can't see it.Biden is a senile string puppet to a socialist/anarchist movement that includes BLM and Antifa that has hijacked the once great democrat party. Half the US's population is either sympathetic to it or oblivious and helpless to understand what is happening, deluded by decades of left leaning government schools.“A sane person to an insane society must appear insane.” (Kurt Vonnegut) That's what Trump has become. We will no longer try to debate with you or try to find accord with you because you do not want that. You are purely feelings-based, armed with pre-packaged cliches, much like the Norks, Chinese and Cubans. Regardless of the outcome of the election, it is not going to go well for you. Kyle Rittenhouse acted correctly, although impulsively, and is paying the price for standing up alone to evil. Soon there will be 3,000 like him. Then 30,000. Then millions. Even Hitler was "mostly peaceful" "Mostly peaceful" demonstrators of BLM and Antifa, you know, anarchistic destroyers, are about to face an awakening sleeping giant... an armed silent majority, who will mow them down like high grass and stack them up like sandbags. And there is nothing that can be done to stop it. The police? You want to cancel them. Don't expect them to come when you call. The rank and file of the military are conservative. They will stand down, wait and clean up the mess. You all are going to end up in those mops if you do not start behaving yourselves. When your friends start dropping, you will become "born again".I expect a lot of flak from this. I may read it. I may not. But some cretin above said "Mark my words." Yes. do that.
Yeah you should expect a lot of Flak for spitting BS. Biden is a centrist and if the Democratic party was "hijacked" by far leftist groups, you'd expect it to be moving to the left but as is, it's not. However the same can't be said of the GOP:You might want to rethink which party is 'hijacked by extremists'.But there is something that ca be done to stop the riots: drain the swamp:www.denverpost.com/.../And right after this bill was passed, the Denver riots died down. Instead of a radical leftists agenda, it's almost like BLMs' main objective is for the black community to not have a dysfunctional relationship with the police.
Mark my words.
Noted, but I'll take them with a block of salt.by the way when people on the right say that their position is based on logic while the lefts' is based on emotions is just a sugar coated way of saying that the right puts financial interests above human well being.
@Ad_Quid_Orator haha you're so full of shit, the democrats have moved far left, republicans have not gone to the right at all since the 90sname a position the republicans have now that they didn't have in the 90s. none to the right of their original position
@007kingifrit They're way harder on immigration, push harder for gutting social security, and more laxed on pollution regulations.
Noted, but I'll take them with a block of salt.You will need it to stop the bleeding.
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Oh he never speaks to both sides? So, neither do you but that doesn't mean that your views are wrong (what does it that you twist and knit pick information to suit your pre-derived conclusions). And yeah, because there are riots that must mean that there's some Marxist plot to take down the country. I mean we've never had riots on this scale before; cough *Detroit 1967.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlrpSpwxgWw&t=68sI mean FFS even McCarthy didn't go so far as to accuse someone as close to the center as Joe Biden of being a communist. This is so dumb you can't even parody it.
communists always bring up mccarthy. its their excuse to never be accused of communism again
No, but conservatives use the "the left calls anything they don't agree with 'racist'" excuse to silence accusations of racism.
well you idiots have abused the word racism to the point it isn't even a bad word anymore
Kind of like what you did with "Socialism", comparing Biden to Castro? And the person you elected to represent you is the one saying this, not just a fringe element.
no socialism only pertains to socialism, the definition hasn't changed at all. its evil
If it applies to Biden, then the definition has obviously changed.
its not that we think biden himself is a socialist, its that we think he is so weak and old he is a puppet to socialists
Well what socialist policies did he support?
he supports open borders and free healthcare for illegals. that's a "workers of the world unite" policy if i've ever heard one
He opposes Trumps expansion of migrant detention centers nor does he want to give them healthcare:www.usatoday.com/.../
direct quote from biden "In 2019, Biden said anyone who needs health care, “whether they’re documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see that they’re cared for.”"
Yeah, just like if an undocumented immigrant is in a burning building, tax funded fire fighters will try to rescue them. Oh so radical -_-
that's not the same and you know it
Yeah, ones' rescuing someone from a fire while the other is giving people medical treatment but the principal is still the same.
its not even remotely similar, joe biden is promising free healthcare to illegals
Yeah, the doctor's not putting themselves in harms way to help the undocumented migrant while the firefighter is. So if you think that a firefighter should rescue them from a burning building, you have no case for arguing a doctor working at a public hospital shouldn't rescue them from a disease.
the doctor is putting other people in harm's way; wasting our resources helping things that aren't equal to us
The firefighter is a human resource so if he's dies trying to rescue the immigrant, by your logic a resource was wasted on "things that are less than us".And way to show your bigotry.
its not bigotry to devalue foreigners. its the entire point of a nationand no, offering free healthcare to illegals isn't like your firefighter analogy at all. and nobody has explicitly promised them fire services
Nations exist for a number of reasons (some good and some shitty) and your claim about devaluing foreigners falls into the latter.And nobody has explicitly promised them fire services because most of us aren't callous enough to let them die jut because they came here from another country (which is what you would be often doing if they weren't provided care)
the entire point of a nation is to put its own people first against the world. that's it
A country is a level of social organization and your argument is as simplistic as saying the reason we have cities or states is to put its' own people first.
the only reason a country exists is to put its own people first. you didn't say what you think a country is for
A country is the integration of many population centers (cities) into a larger society under a governing body for the mutual benefit of the members. That's why they formed in the first place; not because they thought they were "better" than other people (that came later).
you just said the same thing i did. "for the mutual benefit" is the same thing as "put yourselves first"if you are for your own mutual benefit you MUST be not valuing others as much
Then that would be true for pretty much any level of societal structure. I mean does someone living in the same state mean they are more valuable than someone living in another state?
this is a common trick by pseudoacademics. when you encounter a truth you don't like you nitpick the definition to find grey area and then use that grey area to pretend the whole concept doesn't exist.i will not answer your silly questions. the purpose of a nation is to put its own people first. nations are not comparable to any other social structure
Actually you're the one who knit picked a secondary function of a nation while ignoring how they came into existence in the first place. "nations are not comparable to any other social structure" yeah, pre-civil war, people in the US would have had a very different view on the topic.
you're so desperate to avoid the actual discussion. i expect any country to put its own people first. foreigners are not equal, without these facts we don't have a nation
OK, let's have a discussion about the genesis of the first nations. Say we go back to Southeastern Iraq 6500 years ago, which scenario is more likely.Scenario 1: The various Sumerian city states said our lives are more intrinsically valuable than those Semitic tribes than others so lets make a nation.Scenario 2: The members of the different city states had more in common from people from other Sumerian city states so they were more likely to interact with them and one city coastal State had more fish that they needed but couldn't grow enough wheat while another inland city state could grow more than enough wheat while had a shortage of fish so the two established a trade agreement. Then one in the foothills of the Zagros mountains didn't have any major waterways or large fields but had plenty of iron ore and got in on the agreements while another could grow plenty of hops and said 'who wants to get wasted on the solstice. Then to help coordinate trade activities between the states, they appointed a centralized government and to protect their collective assets from outside raiders they also formed a military.Most people are going to tend to support policies that provide most benefit to their society (no matter what they rank of that society; town, county, state, country etc...) because it will usually (but not always which is why I said "tend to support") provide the most benefit to them. And the idea that a nation is somehow unique in this regard is utter tripe. Before the Civil War, most Americans felt a stronger allegiance to their states than the country.Yeah, you're just a pretentious wannabe intellectual.
nope. let's not have a conversation about the first nations. i didn't read any of thatnations serve the purpose i have already established. there is no escaping this, there is no defying this, there is no redefning this. a nation is designed to put its own people first. this requires them to not value others equally
OK, so what we just go with the function you pulled out of your ass to suit your narrative (again)?
they are the real functions. there is nothing else. you already admitted essentially the same thing you just can't accept that that inherently means not treating foreigners equallyyou're too soft for this world
Nope, you've just picked a post-hoc interpretation of the function of a country. And just as the importance of progressively higher levels of societal organization become more and more relevant as time goes on (pre Civil War Americans felt a stronger allegiance to their state than the nation), international organizations are growing in importance. Get your mind out of the past and your head out of your ass.
the function of the state has always been the same, to put its own people first. this has never changed and will never change. there is nothing elsethe change in specific styles of government have nothing to do with this
The function of a any societal organization at any level (town, city, state, nation, coalition) etc... was for the mutual membership of its' members. If you wanna say that's the same as putting members of the nation first but that would apply to any level of societal organization. There is NOTHING special about the level of "nation" and this regard and changes in the style of government may not have much a bearing on what level people put the most emphasis on but what does is the level of integration which has been increasing over time.
But maybe them being less than us in your perspective makes it OK to let undocumented migrants linger in detention centers (yes they did occur when and before Obama was president and people complained about them back then and they're complaining now because they're being held longer; not because of some contrived partisan bias inspired hypocrisy). But like all antifa types I get triggered when I see people crammed in concentration camps:
we have a moral duty to hurt those who steal from us, illegal immigration is stealing from us. to not hurt them is to be derelict in our duty to protect fellow americansit is unethical to value the lives of foreigners unless they are in our geopolitical interestand they are not concentration camps, they are detention facilities. we fill them with people based on what they have done, not who they are
Ignoring that they also contribute to our economy and many of the analyses that claim they're costing us money don't take into account the economic damage that would be caused if the jobs they work were no longer occupied (employers have been struggling to fill many of these positions with native born citizens):www.unidosus.org/.../factsWas it "ethical" for the US to meddle in the internal affairs of those countries resulting in the economic situation that's driving many of them to seek work here? So we put them in their because of what they did in response to what we did to their country?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQl5MCBWtoo
Oh I guess funding genocide is OK as long as it's in your geopolitical interests.
getting rid of them raises wages, they are hurting people. everyone wants and needs americans doing those jobs. only the top 1% wants illegals doing them so they can lower wages, you are a puppet of the 1%
Actually the number is more 69%www.pewresearch.org/.../But the 1% wants the migrant detention centers up so undocumented migrants will be less fearful to engage in any kind of resource if abused or injured in hazardous working conditions; that's what the concentration camps are there for.
they are detention facilities, and the 1% doesn't want them. you are doing the bidding of the 1%
They're also concentration camps and the 1% love them because they lower the risk of whistle-blowing and bad PR; even if they aren't here legally most Americans wouldn't respond too kindly to them being maltreated (i. e. those who haven't been blinded by nationalism). The elite are using you as their mouthpiece:
nope, they are detention facilities and NOT concentration camps. we put people in them based on what they have done, not who they are. concentration camps are where you put people based on who they areyou are a puppet of the 1% for being against detention facilities
Oh please, you're just making up definitions again. News flash: undesirable races weren't the only ones put in places like Dachau, Aryan political prisoners were put in there as well. The 1% want them there as a means to control their work force because all of the "pesky workers rights laws" that US citizens are protected by, you're just projecting now.
anyone can make up a definition... the difference is mine is agreed upon by the general public and is useful while yours is sensational and spoiled. you're just a dumb white kid who loves to use the rhetoric of genocide because you can't get any attention otherwise99% of people were there because of who they were, no nitpickingyou're a puppet of the 1% for supporting illegal immigrants, you want to lower our wages
Funny because I couldn't find any definition that matched your description but I guess you wouldn't call the Gulags concentration camps then. As for the rhetoric of genocide, you opened up that can of worms when you started talking about certain lives being more intrinsically valuable than others. Oh but you could actually tell that I'm white this time. Good for you :)No, I just don't want the economy to collapse because employers can't get people to occupy those jobs. And if there are 5 million well paying jobs going begging, don't bank on Americans filling the positions worked by undocumented migrants just by removing workers' protection laws.
Even Fox News (OK, just Chris Wallace) is pointing out the lawbreaking going on, under the Hatch Act, and the breaking of State Department regulations, by the Secretary of State, no less!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKoEsJfH-l8
only a far left extremist would parrot cnn talking points exactly like you do. how can you KNOW if cnn isn't lying constantly if they aren't fact checked dummy?
@007kingifrit It was CNN doing the fact-checking, dummy. And the point of real-time fact checking is to make it clear to people who don't spend a lot of time reading about politics that they are being lied to. Were Fox News fact checking the DNC? They wouldn't have had much to do, because it wasn't packed full of lies, unlike the RNC.Don't think I've forgotten that you explicitly said you'd continue to lie that Churchill supposedly said something he didn't, even after I'd pointed out your mistake.
how can you know if dems are lying if nobody is fact checking them?democrats and their media assets lie much more than the republicans.
@007kingifrit Because intelligent people who know about politics are paying attention and would point them out after the fact. The only time you need real-time fact checking is when the lies come so thick and fast that you'd have to write a book to list them all, and nobody would have the time to read it.Shall we play "name the lie"? You name one Democratic one, and I'll explain why it isn't, and name one Republican one? We can take turns! (But come prepared with at least 20, because that's how many this guy noticed just during the RNC.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq0CtHbYIzAIt's deluded to think that Republicans aren't lying like rugs, at this point. There's a reason so many Republicans are supporting Biden for president: Trump, his cult (you), and Russia are a threat to democracy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVysSUxyWL4
maybe intelligent people are pointing them out but you don't know it because your echo chamber doesn't allow for it...
@007kingifrit Then enlighten me! Show me those reputable news sites that expose the dozens of lies told at the DNC!Really. I'll read anything.
america uncovered went over the different party's conventions a little bit... and conveniently how all left wing news outlets cut away at the same points https://youtu.be/l6a9ID_v6oQben shapiro did 4 days on it: here is #1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-rcI2EFs80and of course democrats often lie by what they don't mention... no mention of china or riots in the entire 4 day convention
@007kingifrit I said I'd read anything, not waste an hour and a quarter on watching idiots.As to China, how many times was Russia mentioned at the RNC? Even if China was the same level of threat.
so you won't watch it, of course you won't view anything outside your echo chamber
@007kingifrit I posted 13 minutes of relevant commentary, you posted 74 minutes of idiocy.I just watched the first minute and a half of the first video, and it's saying Biden and Trump want the same thing, peace! The difference comes in how to achieve it, solving the problem, or crushing dissent. I prefer the former.Oh, and look, Trump has just defunded Stars and Stripes, which has been going since 1861. Cancel culture comes home to the people who started it; Republicans.www.usatoday.com/.../
When was the last time any of that bad stuff happened? When was the last time an unarmed black man was shot by a policeman? When was the last time you couldn't have a funeral? What state?How many right-wing agitators have been caught inciting violence at Floyd protests?www.foxnews.com/.../2-affiliated-with-boogaloo-extremist-group-charged-with-inciting-a-riot-sc-sheriff (2)www.foxnews.com/.../boogaloo-suspects-accused-trying-to-incite-violence-george-floyd-protest-las-vegas-feds-say (3)Shooting of the federal agent and a deputy? By this guy:"Facebook posts also figure in Carrillo’s prosecution, with court documents quoting one attributed to him: “Use their anger to fuel our fire. Think outside the box. We have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage.”"
@goaded They're smashing up wisconsin right now. "when was the last time an unarmed black man was shot by a policeman" is a loaded statement and it depends on the context. Unless you are an idiot who thinks that there's no time a police officer is justified in using deadly force against a black person, you have to look at each case individually.You were not allowed to have funerals in any state that had a gathering 'limit' during their lockdowns.The 'right wing' agitators aren't the ones creating CHOP and CHAZ. Don't believe the bullshit.
Yes, Wisconsin, I noticed that. It started shortly after an unarmed black man was shot in the back by a policeman seven times, and his kids were in the car, right? Look at that case individually and tell me he was a danger to the policeman.Presumably, you could have had small funerals, unless your loved one was one of those buried in a mass grave because all the morgues were full of people dead from the virus.I also notice you're now using the past tense. Because it's not true any more.You know CHOP and CHAZ were the same thing, right?
@goaded The guy disobeyed lawful orders, went around to the front seat of the car, opened the door and began rooting around for things. You'd have shot him, too. And don't bullshit to the contrary.There are still gathering restrictions in place. You google it. I'm not playing your stupid game anymore when you ask for sources then trash the sources. The FACT remains that people were forbidden to go to funerals, but there were plenty for George Floyd in full attendance.Nice doomer reference of the mass graves... too bad they don't apply to most countries.And yes, dingus CHAZ and CHOP are the same thing and they're still leftists destroying cities.
You don't know me. I doubt I would shoot anyone, certainly not until the point where they were a twitch of the finger away from shooting me. It reminds me of the guy who got shot for reaching into his car to get the licence he'd just been "lawfully ordered" to get.Most other countries weren't hit as hard as New York state.Were the funerals for Floyd in states where no-one could have a funeral?
@goaded That's cause Cuomo shoved a lot of his in nursing homes. that picture is from a grave site that's been used for decades for those who die in NYC and don't have any ID. THat's not some new phenomenon of Covid deaths. Once again the truth is twisted to your agenda.
Nice try, it may be that, but this year it was used precisely because there were too many bodies to handle. And, yes, people running the states and countries that were hit first made mistakes; what's your excuse for the leaders ignoring the lessons learned, months later?
@goaded The excuse is shoddy science and the desire to not ruin their economies.
What shoddy science? The shoddy science that has European death rates 10 times lower than US death rates? The shoddy science that has European schools open, because it's safe enough to do so? The shoddy science that has UK, Italian, New York daily deaths in single digits?
@goaded The shoddy science that said lockdowns are effective ways to reduce death from a virus.
Again: the USA has 10x the rate of deaths a day than the EU. Germany, with a little under a quarter of the population of the US, has lost 9,347 people to the virus, in total. Guess how!
@goaded you love playing numbers. The per million deaths from Covid... US is behind Peru, UK, Spain, Italy, Chile, Sweden, and Brazil.
Yes, and San Marino (pop. 33,942), Belgium (pop. 11,597,351), Andorra (pop. 77,284), and, oh, not Brazil (551 > 548, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/, 559.5 > 558.4 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/)You know there are 192 countries in the world?And, since your deaths per million is increasing daily by 2 or 3, you're on track to overtake Sweden in 10 days, and Italy a few days later.
@goaded And none of the deaths are spiking in the states that aren't strictly locked down. Weird, huh
Oh, look, not a single link, not a single name of a state that's doing so well. Bring receipts, or shut up.
@goaded lol, I'll shut up when you admit CFR is a BS number.
I wrote a whole take on the matter, about how it's BS when the number of cases are increasing rapidly (people haven't had a chance to die of it), but once the number of new cases and new deaths are almost zero, it does make sense. You don't count people who've never had the disease in the "survivors" column, for obvious reasons.Now, what states were you talking about, trying to imply lockdowns don't work?
@goaded That's not sufficent. Because you've told me time and time again the fatality rate is 3%. You know that's wrong, right?
What was the figure you claimed, again? I bet mine is closer to reality than yours.Now, what states were you talking about, trying to imply lockdowns don't work, despite the evidence of several states and multiple countries?
@goaded You still haven't admitted it... I'll wait.
Anything to avoid naming a state that's doing really well without a lockdown, right?CFR bad, during an epidemic, good, looking back. As I said, you don't count people who've never had the disease in the "survivors" column, for obvious reasons.What was the figure you claimed, again? Wasn't it an order of magnitude less than mine?
I'm actually being generous:Cases which had an outcome:3,269,907 (95%) Recovered / Discharged183,270 (5%) Deaths
@goaded I just can't with you. Admit it or don't reply Blue states had the strictest lockdowns
@goaded No such thing as asymptomatic cases, then. So there's zero need for masks if you don't have symptoms. There's zero need to "social" distance 6' or follow arrows in grocery stores. There's zero need to limit capacity at school, businesses, or anywhere.
I assume you missed the word "win", and that's right, because you're wrong. Show me that same graph from today, not two months ago. We dscussed asymptomatic cases elsewhere, and you know I said they exist, don't try to pretend otherwise.
@goaded if asymptomatic cases exist then using CFR is bullshit. Nothing else.
Maybe, unless you know the percentage of asymptomatic cases, which seems to be just 15%, and you ignore that people can pass the disease on before they are symptomatic.So, are you going to show me that same graph from today, not two months ago?Or name a state that's doing really well without a lockdown?
@goaded You pulled 15% right out of your ass. AS did any 'source' you may find. The virus has effectively stopped spreading when the Rt value is under 1.00.https://rt.live/
No, from a German scientific study. The one I told you about before.So, are you going to show me that same graph from today, not two months ago?Or name a state that's doing really well without a lockdown?
@goaded Are you going to admit CFR is a bullshit number and you’ve been trying to deceive people by using it?
It's not an ideal measure, but it's one of the best we have that doesn't involve invoking magic multipliers. The final number, when everything is done and dusted, will be less than 3%, but more than 0.8% (which is still 8x more deadly than flu).You still haven't come up with a US state that's doing well without a lockdown.Here's an English language article about the study that found 85% of people who were infected had symptoms.www.dw.com/.../a-54696184"Some 85.5% of the residents who tested positive for coronavirus antibodies and who said they had been infected with the virus reported symptoms such as fever, shortness of breath, colds or coughing since February. Only 14.5% of respondents with antibodies reported no such symptoms at all....The RKI had assumed [in spring] that the number of unreported cases was five times higher than the number of cases reported. But that figure was lower than expected, at 2.6 times higher."
@joeldalton don't both with him he's a german, he has no idea what's going on in our country he just watches cnn and MSN and thinks he knows. of course the black guy shot by police was lunging for a weapon in his car and he refuses to admit this. he wants chaos in our country
@goaded South Dakota - .02% of its population has died from Covid. NY.3%
"South Dakota - .02% of its population has died from Covid. NY.3% "You mean it looks good compared to one of the worst hit states in the 10th worst country in the world? (Yes, the US is back in the worst 10, in deaths per million population, having overtaken Sweden. In 3-4 days, you'll have overtaken Italy, too.)It's still twice the world average (a little over 0.01%), and the number of cases has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. NY state's number is really 0.17%, not 0.3%, by the way.Social distancing is probably a bit easier with 11 people per square mile, too.
@goaded THose are accurate death rates based on their respective population. I compared SD because it's one of the few states with no lockdowns - exactly what you asked me to do. To a state with the worst lockdowns - and the death rate is significantly higher. So I can use your "science logic" and say that states with lockdowns have higher death rates. Just like you say "states with protests have lower cases" and "mask mandates mean lower infection rates". I'm playing your game, by your rules.
I never said they weren't accurate, I just said that they're only really good compared to other places in the US. And, since half the cases have come since July 5th, it's hardly a final figure, is it? (For comparison, NY had had half of its cases to date by April 17th.)
@goaded It's the latest data we have. the bottom line is that anyone who has studied the pattern of the virus has found that lockdowns had no effect on the death rate. I know it upsets you to hear the truth, but it is what it is. Viruses gonna do what viruses gonna do www.wsj.com/.../do-lockdowns-save-many-lives-is-most-places-the-data-say-no-11587930911Meanwhile, you've created death and despair with the lockdowns and an authoritarian, unconstitutional grab of power by zealot governors. We've divided society and created more distrust, hating of the 'other' and violence as people have turned their fear into virtue. As CS Lewis said, "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive"
You can't just ignore all the other variables, even with the latest data. The first wave of the virus is essentially history in NY, they currently have 41 new cases per day per million population, down from a peak of 514, whereas South Dakota has 346, which is both the current and, so far, highest rate of infection.That article's hardly the latest data, is it? It was published on the 26th April, six weeks after it really started hitting the fan. I wonder what the data say now, more than four months later still, especially if you look at how long the lockdowns lasted in various states.(By the way, your link was behind a firewall, here's one that isn't; I see it's not the whole piece, am I missing something important? The methodology would be interesting.)www.ronpaulinstitute.org/.../www.foxnews.com/.../do-lockdowns-save-many-lives-in-most-places-data-say-no
@goaded Because NY has hit herd immunity. As we all need to do. This virus follows the same pattern everywhere. Initial hit, lots of deaths of the vulnerable (only enhanced when you throw covid patients in nursing homes) then deaths wane and cases continue to rise. Then they'll taper off once a threshold of immunity is met.
If they've got herd immunity, how come there are still new cases?NY had 24,120 cases per million (probably pretty accurate, as it's the third most tested state in the country), but Louisiana has over 32,000. (They can probably be forgiven for Mardi Gras, it came early in the pandemic (even before the first US death?), unlike Sturgis, which happened when people knew what it was like.) Experts say you need about 80% natural immunity to achive herd immunity; those numbers are 2.4% and 3.2%. Even if they're out by a factor of 10, that's only half-way there.And, even if you're right, aren't you saying you just have to let another 300,000 Americans die? Isn't that bad?
@goaded how many will die from effects from lockdown. All the dramaposting about killing gradmas ignore that fact.
Very few, in comparison, and even fewer if people are given enough to live on while out of work (which goes directly into the economy, rather than stock buy-backs, etc.).The Bush recession claimed about 10,000 excess suicides across North America and Europe, combined (about a billion people).
@goaded it's not just suicides. It's people neglecting other health issues or being turned away from other medical procedures. It's an increase in depression, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, physical and sexual abuse... all of those things can shorten life that wouldn't be otherwise compromised.
OK, then show me some research on the subject. How does it compare to 191,515?
@goaded You do the research. I'm quite frankly tired of the 'well this is a 2 week old source, and comes from a conservative news site'. It's out there for you to read it. Also look up risk of starvation in poor countries while you're at it. Not everyone gets takeout.
No, you're making the claim, you back it up. It's 4 months old in an 8 month pandemic; states have imposed, relaxed, and re-imposed lockdowns since then. I didn't say anything about the messenger.
@goaded this time. I'm not doing your busy work for you.
Yeah, in other words, you've got nothing newer than four months old (when nationally, new daily cases were 30k, compared to 40k, today) to back up your claim.
@goaded I don’t have to. Things havent’ chnaged. Ok, here’s a brand new, hot off the press story for youwww.cnn.com/.../...ic-response-foster-ctw-vpx.cnni
What do you mean, nothing's changed? It's been four months. Five times as many people have died, and the number of known infected has gone up 8-fold (in the US). The daily death toll is currently not much under half of the peak of 2,200 a day.Did you watch the video? Basically, the government didn't have to force a lockdown, because the Swedish people abided by advice, and stayed home when they were sick (which they could easily do because they automatically get paid sick time, and have universal health care).Norway never had 70 people die in a week, throughout the pandemic, Sweden reached nearly 700. Denmark got as high as 120, one week. Neither of them have had more than 7 deaths a week for months, Sweden still had over 7 a day near the end of July.
Actually, I live in another state than my parents; get your head out of your ass.
Thanks for proving my point about you. Having the need to tell me to get my head out of my ass proves how immature you are. plus, by having to tell me you live in another state than your parents tells me you need to prove your manhood.Thanks for the laughs buddy.
Oh right, I'm immature which is why you used the asinine TDS talking point. And it's nothing to do with proving my manhood, it's just showing what a presumptuous jackass you are because you can't handle opposing viewpoints.
Thanks for proving my point again by responding to me. Go away little boy.
Taco you sound like one of those idiots. Also, TDS isn't a syndrome that would warrant a psych eval... Just an FYI... stay in your lane and stop using pop terms for a profession that uses actual diagnosable criteria.
So in the US people should be persecuted for their political beliefs.
Yes, and do you know why? Because if the communists ever came to power that is what they would do.
Well apparently so do you.
True, Now I just need to be elected so that I can follow out my plan
Can you still hear?I SAID, CAN YOU STILL HEAR? :)
@goaded GAH!!! ''throws earphones on the ground''.
@goaded guess she was trying to outdo trump... mission accomplished.
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