Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. - CS Lewis
@joeldalton well "going to heaven" or dying to put it more bluntly in this case is what we are trying to prevent. Just practicing basic personal hygiene, social distancing as best you can and wearing a mask where social distancing isn't possible is not torment. It can't harm anyone. So the real victims are those who get this virus because of the stupidity of those who won't use common sense. If everyone just followed the precautions without making a fuss over it, we could stop the spread of the virus and get back to normal faster.So the C. S Lewis quote is irrelevant in this case.
Masks don’t effect any health conditions. That’s BS.
I don't know enough about other peoples health conditions to argue for or against your opinion. Are you a doctor? I can't help but to feel that there could be some people with a lung condition that a mask could negatively effect them
No I’ve just read the research. They’ve done tests. There’s no breathing issues. It’s just uncomfortable.
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I would rather everyone want to wear a piece of cloth over their mouths to prevent communicable disease. I’m just warning the billionaires will start demanding it.
it doesn't prevent anything WEARING CLOTH OVER YOUR FACE ALL THE TIME LOWERS IMMUNITY TO EVERYTHING AND THUS INCREASES ONE'S ODDS OF GETTING SICK
Because totalitarians like you think it's OK for people to be forced to stay in their residence unable to perform the tasks that would give them the most basic quality of life on pain of death. I mean this is grade A tyranny shit (way worse than any kind of mask and social distancing mandates) you're advocation FFS.
@Ad_Quid_Orator fucknut, that's not what totalitarian means, nor the word tyranny. I'm not forcing anyone to not wear a mask. God damn you are stupid. There is exactly 0 chance I give any one covid.Oh, by the way, CDC just did a study of 314 outpatients. Of the 154 who were covid positive, 70% wore masks 'always', 14% Wore them 'often'. So tell me again how they work?
It is and you don't see it that way because you've been conditioned to think tyranny can only come from the government. Second, because it's more effective at preventing someone else from getting it if you have it.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol, 85% of people who wore masks got Covid and you call them 'effective'? lol. How fucking stupid do you have to be.Oh, and the WHO also just stated that lockdowns do more damage than covid they prevent. So there's tier 2 of your house of bullshit cards coming down as well.
Again, it prevents you from spreading the disease if you have it hence the need for a mask mandate. And they do more damage now because we've learned to limit the spread of the virus by less restrictive means (like mask mandates) because we've learned how to contain it by studying what did and didn't work during the lockdown. Sit down; you're dizzy from all of your spinning.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol people wearing masks get covid. They don't prevent you from getting the disease. SCience. Lockdowns are ineffective and cause more damage. More science. You're on the loser side of this scam, dude.
Again, you're too dumb to understand that the difference you wearing a mask prevents you from spreading it to other people.Either that or you're just incredibly self centered.
@Ad_Quid_Orator oh, here comes the "you're self centered" bullshit. That didn't take long. Answer this one question...Does someone who sits in a chair for three hours to donate convalescent plasma to treat those with Covid on a weekly basis sound self-centered to you?
Well if you're not willing to put on a mask then you're selectively self centered.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol. Dumbass. There's 0% chance I transmit the virus to someone else. So me wearing a mask does nothing. So once again, you're full of shit. You are mad, and ONLY mad because I don't comply with your stupidity.
How do you know that there's a "0% chance" that you transmit the virus? Did you get infected by both strains?
@Ad_Quid_Orator Quite possibly. So now you have admitted through your bullsht that it's not about the virus and all about control. Control that you're happy to have the government enforce upon me. Oh PS, that's the true definition of tyranny.
Actually you just admitted that you don't know that you had both strains so yeah, you are acting like a pretentious prick and putting others at risk. And total tyranny isn't control enforced by the government but by private unaccountable entities who's function is to extract as much wealth as possible from society as possible; the purest refinement of totalitarianism. But you would go one step further and put us at the mercy of a force of nature.
@Ad_Quid_Orator LMAO. The two strains are close enough because we're only getting one vaccine. My antibodies work the same way. They don't match-type my plasma.And you're the one with this bullshit "a mask protects you from infecting others..." The masks aren't one-way filters. If it doesn't filter stuff coming in, it doesn't filter stuff going out. So I'll spell it out one more time for you...85% of the people who got covid wore masks "always" or "often". Tyranny requires force. Currently, the government has that force, only.
But if you get one strain you're not immune from the other. It would make you less sick than you would otherwise but you would still be more than capable of spreading it if had it. And just like theft can be accomplished via trickery or a knife, tyranny can use force or extortion. This is why positive rights (what the right decries as "entitlements") are as important to protect individual liberties as negative rights.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lol, BS. I'm sorry for you that your whole foundation about this disease has crumbled around you. Better luck next time. Here's a protip: Don't listen to Chinese propaganda in the future. Follow the science and stop being a follower.
Well the science says that there are two strains and even if you aren't as sick you are still more than capable of transmitting the virus. And as for your "Chinese propaganda remark", the second strain came from Europe. Do you live on the East or West side of the country because (especially if you caught it early) that could be a good indicator of which strain you got (and the European strain is more virulent).
@Ad_Quid_Orator It was Chinese propaganda that encouraged the world to lockdown. the word 'propaganda' is not defined as "a strain of a virus"
If by propaganda you mean data that lead to policy that saved millions of lives, then yep. But they did fuck up big time by repealing ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS and leaving the market to prevent unsafe practices like mixing bats and pangolins in wet markets.
@Ad_Quid_Orator Just take your L like a man.
Just accept it when you're BS has been exposed instead of turning the thread into a series of ad hominem attacks.
@Ad_Quid_Orator You would think being called a 'man' is an attack.
And you would be to dumb to tell that saying you lost when you're the one who ran out of arguments is just an attack.
@Ad_Quid_Orator No. You lost. Masks don't work, lockdowns hurt more than they help, the virus IFR is way less than the scaremongering. Tests are oversensitive and give positives for people who are not infectious, non locked down countries are reaching herd immunity, and asymptomatic people are not the drivers of the pandemic (Which is now a casedemic). Every single one of your theories has been disproven.
-Masks prevent wearers from transmitting the virus to others.-Only because we've learned to contain the virus by studying which policies worked during the lockdowns.-If we look at S. Korea who had the milder strain and tracked virtually all of their cases the IFR was 1.7% when all the patients were treated and estimates have gotten lower since because we've learned to more effectively treat the virus. -No country is close to having 70% of the population immune and if you don't believe me cases are rising in Sweden.-Asymptomatic people can spread the virus and early estimates that gave large numbers of asymptomatic people are based on early faulty antibody testing.You're full of shit.
@Ad_Quid_Orator If masks prevented the disease from going to others then 85% of the people who wear masks most or all the time wouldn't have tested positive.We don't need 70% of the population for herd immunity. 50% already has built in immunity from other coronaviruses.Fauci himself said asymptomatic people are not drivers of viral outbreaks. You can't deny science.So take your L.
1. Again you're looking at the impact masks have on your risk of contracting the disease when their main function is to prevent you from spreading it to others. Are you so desperate to hold on to your fictitious narrative that you got stuck on a loop?2. Having previously had coronaviruses will make the symptoms less severe, not convey immunity.3. But he said in this pandemic it does.Dizzy from all that spinning I see.
@Ad_Quid_Orator 1) the statement “masks are there to prevent the spread to others” is the stupidest shit you doomers have come up with. They’re not a one-way valve. If they don’t prevent viruses coming in to them, they don’t prevent viruses going out of them.2) Wrong3) no he didn’t. Take your L, son.
1. Masks aren't valves dingus, you're just making up analogies.2. Even having one of the two strains responsible for the pandemic won't convey immunity FFS.3. www.pennlive.com/.../...id-19-worst-nightmare.htmlPractice what you preach and accept that your case is full of shit.
@Ad_Quid_Orator exactly they aren’t valves, so if they don’t stop incoming virus cells, the won’t stop outgoing. You just proved my pointhttps://youtu.be/ujNaRjIGHn4
1. There are one way valves and a mask can be good at preventing you from spreading it but not at preventing you from getting it.2. That video was clipped out of context. We've already been through this.
@Ad_Quid_Orator And your opinions on all the covid stuff is wrong. We already discussed this. Sorry doomer, pick up your consolation prize.
They aren't opinions, they're facts debunking the claims of your human sacrifice based death cult of the invisible hand of the free market.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao. by the way, how effective are masks at preventing the spread of Covid when you take them down to cough into your hand?
Likely still pretty effective because you don't have to cough to spread the virus.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao. You just went full retard. Never go full retard.
Nope, you were just full on libtard from the start.
@Ad_Quid_Orator you don’t understand the words you use, do you.
Actually I do but you can't understand that the meaning of words can change.
@ad_quid_oratord_Orator lmao. Not because you decide you think it makes you sound intelligent. It really just makes you look like more of a fool.
I don't need that to sound intelligent, ripping your arguments limb from limb already did that. Spinning words back at the right is just some icing on top of that cake.
@Ad_Quid_Orator lmao keep dreaming child.
Keep making baseless assertions; they're all you've got.
I’m not threatening, I’m warning. Businesses and cops will force you to wear a mask. Like seatbelts. You’ll either wear one or be ostracized from society. Covid is costing billions. Drastic steps will be taken.
Threats are the weak equivilant of pitiful warnings. You are hereby informed of committing hostile acts against sovergn citizens and will be treated as military combatants
Are you willing to die? There are countless armed citizens who will never surrender. You're playing a dangerous game, please don't continue with a forceful response.
So who are you threatening with violence? Me or the businesses that will throw you out for now wearing a mask? Or the cop who gives you a ticket?
If I were threatening violence, you wouldn't need to ask
An owner throwing someone out of their establishment or a police officer writing a ticket isn't the same as applying force. I'm very interested. How do you intend to force me to wear a mask?
(Sigh) like we enforce seatbelts. With tickets and forcing businesses to be liable for spreading Covid. So again, are you willing to be ostracized from society?
Keep sighing, maybe the extra oxygen will eventually lead you to realize the difference between penalizing disobedience and forcing obedience
If you're anywhere close to even the slightest representation of society, I'll embrace being ostracized the same way a drowning victim desperately welcomes a life preserver
Seriously? It’s a piece of cloth over your mouth...
That isn't the point
I demand you refer to me as "your highness". Seriously, they're only sounds made my your mouth...
No. It’s a piece of cloth that saves lives. You’re fighting a stupid culture war.
Yes, we love living.
Yeah, wanting to reduce the spreading of the virus is toootally "liberal". 🙄 Holy shit you people are dumb.
It allows them to signal their virtue with an empty gesture.