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They don't even realise that the lawsuits don't claim what they're being told they claim; none of the lawsuits claim, let alone provide evidence for, voter fraud of any significance.
If you're going to criticize others, it's wise to at least attempt to appear even remotely intelligent yourself, in your statements, before doing so, such as understanding the most infantile basics of a legal system. You must commit a crime to be prosecuted. Wasting time is not a crime. You should form a coherent idea before, ignorantly, critiquing others' actions without even understanding basic concepts, to the point of saying things which make no sense, lack any substance whatsoever, and are simply emotional reactions to your dislike of specific individuals.
@chris0977 filing false reports and costing time could be prosecuted. But what I see as the biggest cost is dumb people like you having less confidence in the election process. This was one of the most secure and smooth elections in recent memory.
@chris0977 ahhh, should I treat you like a child when arguing? Because you can’t keep up?
Thought I just answered this. You decide fact & reality, as I said. If I believe I can keep up, but you don't, there is no discussion, as your reality is the only one that can be fact.
Again, though many have different conclusions, the only "facts" are what you decide as truth, anyone who believes different is misinformed, or ignorant, like I said, I don't have omnipotent access to all knowledge as you do to know absolute truth without limitation, this I am limited to my personal perspectives, which are susceptible to being wrong. Apologies, again, for questioning your brilliance.
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!Given the way humans behaved historically, and today, we're supposed to believe questioning these institutions "facts" is absurd, and must be stopped, because they're somehow selfless, and obsessed with total honesty, transparency, well-being of the public, to speculate otherwise is "crazy conspiracy theories", when humanity's past, and present, in many countries, and corporations, gives good reason to question their honesty, integrity, and intentions.
Funny how the actual conspiracies are dumb cover ups. Jfk, Trump’s porn star. It’s never deep stare, Illuminati bullshit.
I find that quite funny myself. Interesting use of the word "never". Unfortunately I don't have omnipotent, totally absolute factual knowledge of all history as you do to make such absolute judgements.
You can choose to ignore it, but 80% of Trump voters believe the election was rigged. That is 55 million people. You think the last four years were bad because the Left was pissed that Hillary lost just wait for the next four when 80% of the Right thinks the election was a fraud.
www.legis.state.pa.us/.../showMemoPublic.cfm
@Liam_Hayden Then I will ignore it. You and yours do not believe the election was rigged. And you have no evidence to support any nonsensical assertion. Being mad about trump not winning isn't the same as being angry about voter fraud.
You see, if you don't give a damn about vote fraud when trump wins, then you don't give a damn about it when he loses.
You just wanted trump to win.
That's it.
Its simple.
A large number were politically appointed by Trump, or other Republicans. That's because McConnell blocked Obama's nominees, leaving over 100 seats empty by the end of his term. Most of them still stand up for the law.
Yes.
"The 21-page ruling by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals was a complete repudiation of Mr. Trump’s legal effort to halt Pennsylvania’s certification process and was written by a judge that he himself appointed to the bench. “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy,” Judge Stephanos Bibas wrote on behalf of the appeals court in a unanimous decision. “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”"
www.nytimes.com/.../...sylvania-appeals-court.html
www2.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/203371np.pdf
105 seats left unfilled.
www.politifact.com/.../
That’s still not proving anything. The court document you showed me was for 1 specific judge. That’s 1. The politifact link mentions that Trump claimed he had to fill roughly 128 vacancies yet the actual number was 105. It does not state specifically what jurisdictions those judges work in.
Can you show me a source that indicates what jurisdictions the judges who are dismissing Trumps legal action work in and who appointed them?
How many Trump appointed judges would it take to impress upon you that the lawsuits are frivolous? How about you show me one lawsuit that alleges fraud in the 2020 election?
55% of federal judges, and six of the nine SC justices, were appointed by Republican presidents. Half of Trump's 200+ appointments were to the 105 seats that McConnell forced Obama to leave unfilled.
reason.com/.../
Oh, and although I couldn't be bothered to point it out earlier, the Russia investigation (and the subsequent Senate investigation) was significant, found contacts between Russian intelligence and the Trump campaign, indicted multiple people, and was successfully obstructed by, at least, Roger Stone (he was convicted of doing so). The ridiculous election attacks, on the other hand, contain little or no evidence, and have rightfully been thrown out.
That’s just the thing. I don’t think they’re frivolous. Have you seen any of the affidavits?
You want to see evidence of fraud? Here:
m.theepochtimes.com/...ed-to-internet_3597825.html
That’s just one of many, many sources I can share with you.
The Muller investigation did not find contacts with Russian intelligence. They haven’t even been able to make 1 significant prosecution. Even the hand full of minor prosecutions they came up with were for minor and unrelated things. That was a 3.5 year circus that cost roughly $30 million I’d think they’d have people in jail with serious charges by now.
What would be wrong with transparency? I’d think Democrats would want that? Why not have investigations into the matter. If nothing is found every person who called for those investigations and the lawyers and Trump himself will be made to look like fools. Their credibility will be destroyed, Just like Robert Muller’s.
However if there is fraud which first hand accounts certainly do point to that it would be discovered. What then if they election was overturned? Would the Democrats refuse to accept the results of a “free and fair election” for a 2nd time
It's a good job you're not a judge, then.
The Epoch Times? Really? Whatever.
Chief Judge Timothy Kenny of the Third Judicial Circuit Court in Michigan:
" Affiant Melissa Carone was contracted by Dominion Voting Services to do IT work at the TCF Center for the November 3, 2020 election. Miss Carone, a Republican, indicated that she "witnessed nothing but fraudulent actions take place" during her time at the TCF center. Offering generalized statement, Ms. Carone described illegal activity that included, untrained counter tabulating machines that would get jammed four to five times per hour, as well as alleged cover up of loss of vast amounts of data. Ms. Carone indicated she reported her observations to the FBI.
Ms. Carone's description of the events at the TCF Center does not square with any of the other affidavits. There are no other reports of lost data, or tabulating machines that jammed repeatedly every hour during the count. Neither Republican nor Democratic challengers nor city officials substantiate her version of events. The allegations simply are not credible."
You're just outright lying about the Mueller investigaton. Mueller had people charged and convicted of serious crimes, including obstruction of justice for lying on Trump's behalf. Trump's pardoned them to save himself.
You never heard of Konstantin Kilimnik the Russian intelligence officer employed by the GRU who worked for over a decade in Ukraine with Paul Manafort?
You're not looking for transparency, you're looking for an excuse to overturn the will of the voters. There have been lawsuits, and the lawyers and Trump himself do look like fools. Unlike Mueller.
There are several reports of the same happening, including in other states. Would you like to see more?
Yes, the Epoch Times. I don’t read communist propaganda.
I am not lying about the Muller Investigation. Trump pardoned Flynn. Not sure how that will save him any. Manafort spent 1 month in prison after pleading guilty and will serve the rest of his time at home until 2024. He was convicted of obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and conspiracy against the U. S. WOW! It must have been pretty serious considering he got sentenced to a whopping 5 years in prison for all that! Rick Gates was sentenced to a whopping 45 days in prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy against the U. S. Must have been real serious. Richard Pinedo plead guilty to identity fraud which literally has nothing to do with supposed collusion and got sentenced to a month in prison. Alex van der Zwann got a month in prison after pleading guilty to making false statements. Cohen plead guilty to lying to Congress and got 3 years. Roger Stone was convicted of making false statements and witness tampering. His sentence was commuted but originally was sentenced for 7-9 years in prison. That’s it. That’s the grand total of convictions and most of the sentences were literally nothing. This was a political witch-hunt. Oh forgot Papadopoulis who served a whopping 12 days in prison for lying.
I’m looking for the truth. What harm is there in a further investigation? After all, the roughly 3 years and $30 million the government spent on the Russia probe didn’t manage to convict really anyone for any real time. I mean 12 days in prison, 45 days in prison for serious charges leveled at some of these people, yet it’s the worlds end if there is an investigation into voter fraud. As I’ve already stated if anyone would know the serious threat to the integrity of our elections it would be the Democrats. But they are only interested in investigations when the results will be in line with their desired outcomes.
At least there's one kind of propaganda you won't read. If you think 7-9 years at age 68 is peanuts, you're nuts. Of course, they were willing to obstruct justice for someone who could make their convictions go away. (Arguably, those pardons and commutations should never have been valid, either, because they were in the context of an impeachment.)
Also take note a number of those people plead guilty. A lot of people at the Salem Witch Trials plead guilty too. They plead guilty to the substantial charges leveled at them. They couldn’t even come up with a smoking gun. They didn’t even charge Trump. That was the best they could do.
Give it up. You've even lost Bill Barr.
"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election," - Bill Barr, today.
They pleaded guilty because they were guilty, and they knew the proof was there to convict them. Accepting a pardon is also an admission of guilt, which is why Stone's conviction was only commuted, otherwise he'd not have had the fifth to hide behind.
Yes, and no. The "value" of the lawsuits is propaganda. Rational people will look at lawsuits being thrown out by Trump-appointed judges and see there's nothing to them, but the rest are paying millions a day into the RNC and a Trump PAC, thinking they're correcting the vote.
There are always cases of voter fraud, so wins of a few hundred are re-counted and closely examined. There's no point in examining 100 cases, when the difference is in the tens of thousands. (At least, not until after the election is certified.)
Please provide proof of fraud.
I'm not going to do your Job for you. You've honestly seen evidence, but dishonestly refused to accept it. If you did you due diligence you would have found more. You've seen what I've seen and yet you refuse to acknowledge the fraud. The Wisconsin graph alone warrants an investigation.
I've seen a costly recount push Biden's numbers up higher in Georgia.
Even before the recount they "found" 5,500 + votes that happened to favor Trump, they are half assing this "recount" and still find Trump votes. They broke the law by counting without poll watchers and non residents voted. Georgia will likely return to Trump.
Ahhh... your faith in your fuhrer is adorable.
Not the fuehrer you racist Commie, just the facts. You likely will freak out at that reality. I accept God's Will, he alone appoints rulers. If he appoints Biden so be it, but Biden has not been elected and cheating took place. If that cheating wasn't enough to change things then so be it. But votes at a magnitude of 300,000+ that are in question can shift this election. 135,000 in Georgia, 320,000 in Michigan, and 650,000 in Pennsylvania. Maybe they won't all shift but even if half go, Trump wins. I'm willing to let the Chips fall where they lie, but haven't hit the table yet. We will all wait until January 6 now.
Where do you get these numbers? The recount just upped Biden’s lead in GA.
I guess you'll just to wait and watch like the rest of us. The 135,000 were nonresidents who were sent ballots to their home. It's unknown how many actually voted. That is still being sussed out, but even if 10% occurred he wins Georgia.
you know ballots are official right? you think officials would just take any old ballot mailed to them?
Trust the corrupt professionals I heard that one before Stalin.
its mostly republican officials. you don't even trust your own people?
Mostly, some, a few, etc. Non descript terms, two officials were threatened in Michigan. Yes I don't understand why people caught doing something wrong wouldn't find anything wrong with themselves when asked if they did something wrong.
come back to reality
Says the man denying apparent Fraud. Get off the Blue pill.
its not apparent. thats why no one can link to any proof. feel free if you have some.
I guess we'll see in the results, you won't be able to deny those.
Why? You’re denying results right now.
Acknowledge corruption is acknowledging the results. If the corruption wasn't present then that'd be a different story. It'd be like Obama or other Dems. There is no way Biden got more votes than Obama.
@OddBeMe Twenty years as a poll worker and she's crazy? Anyway, partisan supporters tend to ignore the fraud from their side.
They’ve already been counted correctly. Trumps accusations include the deep state. The man has lost his mind
trump helped biden when when he fear mongered about mail-in voting and again in pennsylvania-they found more votes for biden.
Yes, he's legally allowed to lie about the content of the lawsuits, that there is evidence, and that he won. It doesn't make it right.
The damage is whatever even a tiny proportion of 60-odd million right-wing Americans who believe Trump when he says they've been robbed can do. Even if it's literally one in a million, that can still be a lot of dead people. That's why it's never happened before.
You know what isn't covered by the 1st Amendment? Being anonymous on websites to post stupid stuff. In fact, lots of sites are deleting your posts as we speak.
My full name is Superior Cute Buttocks. I am not giving out my address because I am afraid you will sneak in at night and rape me :(
@goaded press briefings. she was-not-but only because she was too incompetent and insane for trump or Giuliani... and to be too crazy and incompetent for those 2 insane morons... that's bad... that's REALLY bad.
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