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What's more common: legitimate rape claims being dismissed or women lying about being raped?

Kinda a loaded question, but ok

Kudos to the woman who wrote this:
Should Women Who Make False Rape Accusations Be Subjected To Jail Time?

So here comes a man to put some perspective on this: it's far more likely that she's telling the truth.

It makes me wonder, how often does it actually happen, though.. never happened to me, nor have I ever been afraid that some woman is going to accuse me of rape... I figure, if you don't rape her, she's not going to accuse you.

Well, I can't say that for certain, and I have seen a question here that seems to be a woman trying to get back at a guy for giving him an std by accusing him of sexual assault.. so I guess it does happen..

Some guys are so afraid of this happening that they don't even want to meet women.. yikes eh? I have literally talked to dudes like that. 😥
... maybe just avoid women that are overly focused on rape and have reality problems. Like if they think that touching them on the arm is rape or a violation of their boundaries or sexual harassment, or something like that. I wouldn't trust a woman like that.. I think most women won't lie about being raped..

I've also seen a question that has a sweet innocent girl who thinks that she just has different tastes in sex, but is getting raped repeatedly, and all the guys are like hurr durr, you should do more for him.. and I gave those guys a piece of my mind (and hopefully changed theirs).

Awe this poor girl... 😥😥😥😥😥
Different tastes in sex, any advice?
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  • There's no way to actually know the percentages. It's most probable more common for rape to happen than for false accusations, but how much we don't know.

    It's really tough either way because it's one person's word against another's most of the time. So there will be many actual rapists who get found not guilty, and there are also a lot of cases where innocent men have been found guilty, and the only thing that helped them was an admission from the false accuser.

    In many debates I see feminists say that only around 6% of rape cases end in a guilty verdict. In other debates on false accusations, they say that only in 2% of cases is the accusation found to be false.

    However, there is also a certain bias there in their arguments.

    When it comes to the 6% figure (which isn't actually true, it's actually around 30%, but let's go with the 6% because the point here is the bias), that means that most rapists are getting away with it. It's true that they do, and some of that 6% are sometimes innocent men, but...

    When it comes to the 2% figure, they say that because it's only proven to be false 2% of the time - it only happens 2% of the time.

    Therefore what they're saying is that the other 92% must be real rapes.

    6% are found guilty = many are just getting away with it. I don't disagree with that.

    2% found guilty = it only happens 2% of the time. What if there are more false accusations which haven't been proven to be false? Do these people honestly think that most false accusers are also caught out?

    There's no way to know how much of the other 92% are false vs real without proof. So again, it's more probable that more often than not the accusation is true, but that doesn't mean that false accusations are as low as they claim either.

    The reason I have a problem with that isn't that I'm a misogynist or that I want to defend rapists. It's because people use this argument with this bias to brush the issue of false accusations, which destroy the lives of men and even ended the life of a guy I once knew whose accuser later admitted to lying, under the rug.

    They speak as if we can only talk about one issue or the other, and as if we have to ignore the other when both are serious crimes which destroy lives. It shouldn't be one or the other.

  • I don’t know.
    but here’s my guess

    actual inappropriate sexual behaviour
    is quite a bit more common than
    women telling people but not going to police about inappropriate behaviour
    Is more common than
    women testifying to police about actual sexual misconduct
    is more common than
    women lying and alleging misconduct but not going to police about inappropriate sexual behaviour
    Is more common than
    charges being laid for sexual misconduct that never happened.

    the odds of a man being brought to trial over made up charges and found guilty are low. Does it ever happen? Yes. But it’s rare. Especially if you’re white you shouldn’t spend time worrying about that.

    because the court process is difficult and prosecutors rarely want to bring a case to trial without strong evidence it’s not very tempting to lie in that context.

    but it happens - though likely under 10% or the time.

    however we cannot extrapolate from that and assume that the same ratio of true to false charges holds when we look at allegations brought to college tribunals, or to child custody cases. People aren’t stupid. If they know making up some story to the police won’t get them anywhere they’re less likely to try. If they know making up a story with no evidence is going to “work” with an extra judicial tribunal they’re much more likely to try that. And finally if they know they can socially hurt someone via a lie they’re likely to do that.

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  • Legitimate rape claims being dismissed.

    The embarrassment (serial or violent rapists make the news, there's a lot of rape that is associate, friend or even spousal related) & stigma (google it, there are cases of rape victims been ostracized by the police) of rape makes it difficult enough for some women to come forward anyway. And I know this not only from statistics but because I have a number of friends who are in law enforcement, medical (doctors, paramedics, etc.), and working with at shelters (homeless & women's) before.

    Then consider actual fact of rape.
    A number of women will tell you they feel dirty, and you can't blame them if the person responsible is someone of trust, and thus they seek a shower almost immediately. What do you think a shower does? It removes evidence. If there was wider education about that - this removal of evidence - then potentially more women would forgo the desire & head to the hospital immediately afterward.
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    As for false accusations. They're far rarer. And the women who do this are, in ways, sort of vile. Why? Because they're not feminists. They're not even decent women. They don't just ruin a guy's life but they make it harder, in their stupidity & selfishness, for legit victims to be taken seriously or even come forth.

    That's why I always felt, women who make a false claim should be thrown in jail.

  • I've heard more legitimate rape claims being dismissed.

    by the way, the woman that asked the question you linked has a history of copying questions that have already been asked by other users, so I generally avoid her content.

    What do you think the punishment/consequence should be for a woman who FALSELY accuses a man of rape? ↗

    There are som great responses here.

    • Oh that's ok that she asked a question that's already been asked, as a man I appreciate her supporting men

    • Many questions here have already been asked--- repeats are common. I'm talking about deliberate copying. I appreciate her supporting men too. This is a terrible crime we're talking about.

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  • The stats show that about 10 percent of women make completely specious rape claims. I've not heard them attributed to STD issues. Most of the claims noted were revenge for the end of bad relationships or some kind of relationship anger, it seems. Rape claims are dismissed all the time because of lack of evidence. If a couple is a sexual, consenting couple and the only "evidence" is the verbal claim of rape, the man has no history of domestic, or other violence, no rape kit or medical evidence of rape can be brought into court, no prosecution will occur. The DA won't pursue it. Your use of the term "legitimate" is misleading. A claim is ONLY legitimate if there is a reasonable amount of evidence. A LEGITIMATE, legal rape could have occurred. But if no evidence exists, a perpetrator will not be prosecuted, and if SLIM evidence exists, a case may be thrown out or a prosecution of a case dismissed. It's BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

    • Indeed, I used the wrong word. I now see that "legitimate" means "conforming to the law or to rules." I meant actual. As in a rape that actually occurred. Yeah, I don't know if the STD thing is common, but the woman who made the post was lying. Yeah, revenge eh? I could see that being a motive. Wow. 10%? I didn't think it's so high.. do you have a source on that stat?

    • Someone accused of rape should be considered innocent until proven guilty. Emotional women would have this dynamic turned around 100% which is simply wrong. Imagine if your Son or Brother was accused of rape by an unstable and vindictive woman? Happens all the time.

    • I just read a new article and it had US incidence as high as 8%, but as low as 3%. Those other stats weren't recent. Might've been 10 years old.. There are different stats for Europe and other areas. I don't recall the source. I simply recall what the article had. It might've been from 2016 or later...

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  • its sad this is even a qestion, im not blaming you
    im blaming men making everything into competition
    sure, things like false acusations can happen on both ends
    but in our society women have been far more raped generally and women bieng raped is a global issue on large scale where men use their position and physical supremacy over women to do bad things to them
    now men being raped can happen, but its not really likely and not a global sale issue
    that doesn't mean that man being raped isn't bad or that women doing bad things to men shouldn't be punished
    but men talk about men being raped just to deminish women talking about their rights and that honestly just makes me sad and angry
    it actually shows so much about men and why things are the way they are in society
    Men dont walk around fearing they will be raped as women fear not just to be raped but for their life, so the scale of the issue isn't even comparable
    Not to mention that basis for such fears from man that woman shouldn't be trusted is ridiculus since there have maybe been few cases with men even being raped but so many of women have been raped
    its also ridiculus to think we should trust blindly to woman so men may be in injust positions if those women lie
    hello, there are like laws and courts and evertyhing where professional people asses every freakin case so not women won't ever be believed blindly and it shouldn't be like that
    the whole idea about beliving women was in general that many women have been brought down by society in not beliving them when they coplained or reported crimes so the global awarness about such issues is the key why we must trust women more and encourage them to come forward
    Also to add, most women are not likely to make false acqusations, so again that fear is ridiculus
    I just think too much of men lack emotional intelligence and are ruled by their egos to the point of stupidity, its so disappointing

    • You're welcome for the support :)

  • Statistics say rape is lied about as a crime no more often than other crimes.

    • 2-8% of rape accusations are false, which is on par with false accusations of other felony crimes. Source: Lonsway, K et al. “False Reports: Moving Beyond the Issue to Successfully Investigate and Prosecute Non-Stranger Sexual Assault,” 2009.

  • I don't know, and I dislike to make assumptions without proper data. Honestly, I believe both of those percentages might be quite low in comparison to legitimate rape claims that get the right sentence. I also think that one of those two beign lower than the other doesn't make one less important than the other. Both are important and should be addressed.

  • I'd actually like to see some statistics about this before i can say really anything. But i do know some women try to claim their ex-partners doing every evil act possible in order to get custody of the children fully to them.

    (its pretty common here already for the to already fall on the women, instead of males)

    • Statistics would be nice, yeah.

  • So my answer is going to be a bit complicated because I think there’s more legitimate claims but I also don’t think they get reported as such for multiple reasons or dismissed because of the rise of false accusations. Having something traumatic happen such as rape is terrifying to deal with. You’re afraid to speak out.

    • They deserve to have a voice. I get that they're afraid to speak out, but if they don''t then nothing changes

  • I think false rape claims definitely happen, but they are rare. Sometimes there's a thin line between consent and sex, especially if there is alcohol involved and parties are inbreited.

  • For those that have been reported and found, legit rape claims.

  • I believe that claims of rape are dismissed a lot , but on the other hand when I was in my teens I didn't want to sleep with this girl at a party ( something didn't feel right about her ) a few days go by and I found out she was telling everyone I raped her , parents , police where all involved , I was actually lucky that one of her friends was mature enough to come forward and say she was lying to get back at me because she was embarrassed from rejection so I'm in the middle with all of it being true , I think there needs to be hard proof (I do understand that this is a very personal situation and would be extremely stressful to go through )

  • Legit being dismissed... Both for men and women. Most people assume men can out wit women but predators know their opponent's and not all male rape is woman on man it's man on man. Its the next step in some instances to competely take a person down, as beating them up well they'll just recover. This brings the mental shame they just can't handle...

    • That's a good point! men rape men too, as a power thing

    • It's a shame that people are like this... Why can't people just get along nicely, there's enough natural disasters and poor luck to ruin someone's day week month or year... You know...

  • It's more common in my opinion to stay quiet. The police doesn't do anything. The whole court thing is very embarrassing. You have to re live the entire situation every time they ask you what happened. I rather not. It's too traumatic.

    • At least you get justice if you speak up. At least you can try to. I think the police will do something about a legitimate rape claim.

    • No. The police told me they can do nothing for me and there is a 90 percent chance all that will happen is I will just get embarrassed in court.

    • You are in the UK where your government is petrified to confront "rapefugee" gangs, which is an entirely different issue. Your government has decided to sacrifice women and children in the name of political correctness.

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  • For a rape claim to be comfirm a sample needs to be taken from the vagina and the woman needs to be examined by a gynecologist AND a foresicer for signs of rape. (which is prefebly done sooner rather than later) How many have you actually heard that underwent this procedure?
    There's also a huge part of women who don't report rape... So a good part of it remains unknown/ unrecorded.

  • Best to side with the women's answers on this, since they're more familiar with this. Might be more common in some states or counties that way more women lie about being raped in one area. A decent judge should be able to see through it though.

  • What actually happens most are rape and sexual assault that go unreported.

    • Or unbelieved/proven!!

    • Victims lie to protect their abusers because they are dependent upon them. Is the abuse worth the place to live? I would say no, and encourage a woman to leave and have a life of her own, maybe meet a different man who won't abuse her. I believe that most men would not. In that situation, the victim needs empowerment.

  • According to my recollection, I think I've heard or read about more legitimate rape claims being dismissed than women lying about being raped.

  • Thanks for the shout out Love🖤

  • I have no clue which one happens more and to me it don't matter aslong as its even happening I feel bad for the all the dudes and chicks whose lives get ruined from this shit (-_-;)

  • The only reason people think false rape claims are common is because they’re in the news and brought to our attention that way. People generally protect the rapist and the shit lawyers will say to protect them is absolutely sickening. I can’t imagine what it’s like to get raped, have the courage to speak up only to be told “you shouldn’t have worn that/you could have said no/you will ruin his future” etc.

    People excuse rapists time and time again, and I really don’t know why? It’s the only inexcusable crime in my opinion. There’s no reason AT ALL why you would rape someone. Murder? Could have a ‘valid’ reason. I don’t condone it but I can understand why people murder sometimes. Stealing? Maybe you’re so poor your family can’t eat. I don’t condone it but understand why. Rape? What reason is there for rape? Lust? Nah. Bullshit.

    • "you shouldn’t have worn that" that's not a defense. it doesn't matter what she's wearing. "you could have said no" if she doesn't say no, or try to resist (which implies a no) then it's not rape.

    • oh yeah totally inexcusable. I agree

  • I’ve met women where the slightest touch like there shoulder will make them break into tears bc they “felt uncomfortable”. I also knew a girl who didn’t understand the difference in consensual and non consensual (her logic would have landed someone in jail.) But from experience I’ve been raped and sexually assaulted and I never wanted to speak to authorities bc I was scared of the cops and if they wouldn’t believe me bc all the guy has to do is say he didn’t and I don’t want a battle. If I get assaulted again tho I’ll just choke him till the end. But I’ve also met men who we’re assaulted (by other women) and it’s sad as well. I wish peace for everyone, just got to fight back.

    • "slightest touch like there shoulder will make them break into tears bc they “felt uncomfortable”." that's someone with reality problems, possibly due to trauma.. sounds like she's triggered. " girl who didn’t understand the difference in consensual and non consensual (her logic would have landed someone in jail.)" I have seen a few questions on here that fit that. Fortunately, her logic would not land anyone in jail because the police/courts would not prosecute. It raises the question of how many cases that didn't successfully prosecute were because of a woman's misunderstanding of what it means to consent or not? Also, raises the point that cases like that detract from the apparent validity of actual rape victims and make it harder for them to get the justice they deserve. Unfortunately, if you want justice, you do have to do battle. That battle sounds a lot less horrible than the battle in bed was. A friend of mine just recently went to court to prosecute a guy for sexually assaulting her and she was quite pleased with the outcome. Also, no. Don't choke him. Then you'll be assaulting him and you'll lose the moral and legal high-ground

  • They're both equally bad in my eyes.

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