Which one of these men would you pick for a One night stand? please select your number 1 and give your ranking in the comments?

[Tonytoutouni123]

Imagine no one would ever know you had sex with that person. So you couldn't „brag“ about sleeping with a star. Also, it’s just a fantasy. No need to be ashamed for picking the prisoner..

[CourtneyJane]

#2's pretty hot, I'd do him.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Has your taste in men changed greatly in your life so far? Who would the 20 year old CourtneyJane have chosen?

[Tonytoutouni123]

———-?

[CourtneyJane]

I tend to like more mature guys now compared to when I was 20. Back then I would've chosen D or E easily.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Why not Dan Bilzerian? 🤷‍♂️ Whats wrong with him? You do not like his looks or what is it?

[Tonytoutouni123]

He looks very manly, doesn't he? I thought he'd be popular with you girls.

[scubalassie1]

Dan...

[Tonytoutouni123]

Ok nice, and can you explain why? Remember it’s just a ONS, so you would not benefit from his wealth and extravagant lifestyle.

[scubalassie1]

Yes, I can but I choose not to.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Haha funny

[bourgeisenafied]

I look like Dan! We should meet!

[McMillanD]

Best to worst
D
B
C
F
And I would not sleep with the others simply because I don't like them as people.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Thanks for your opinion

[CurLyF]

OMG Collin Farrell. He just kind of exudes very sexual vibes, like he's good at it. And is very sexy. Honestly I've seen the photos of the convict before but I don't find him attractive. Sure his eyes are pretty, but otherwhise meh. Even if he wasn't such a villent convict I wouldn't sleep with him. But hey it's all about personal preferences :)

[Tonytoutouni123]

@curlyf Ok thanks for your opinion 🙂

[Jbreannx_x]

Numbers 1-2-4 & 5 I think they are very attractive looking. Tbh I probably wouldn't be comfortable with a one night stand in the first place. But I dont really know which one, hypothetically if your just going by appearance... maybe 2 or 4?

[Tonytoutouni123]

Why not Dan Bilzerian? 🤷‍♂️ Whats wrong with him? You do not like his looks or what is it? He looks very manly, doesn't he? I thought he'd be popular with you girls.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@jbreannx_x?

[Jbreannx_x]

I'm not attracted for some reason... He might be someone's type. I'm afraid of men, people in general. But his face looks a lot like my great uncle's so that could be another factor.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@jbreannx_x You are afraid of men and people in general? Why is that 😮? You are afraid of like every person, or just some men?

[zollo]

G. if only for the goat. None of these men are really who I would pick but I do love animals sooooo... XD

[Tonytoutouni123]

@zollo Haha ok I see. Thanks for your opinion! Can you give an example of a man you consider very attractive?

[zollo]

off the top of my head someone like kurtis conner is attractive not just because of looks but personality. Personality and looks go hand and hand with me, that's why I tend to shy away from really muscular dudes because they're usually more popular and mean.

[diamond567]

I wouldn’t do it with any of them because I wouldn’t have sex with a man I barely know or don’t have feelings for but the only exception would be with Henry Cavill but he isn’t on the list.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@diamond567 Is it, that you just don't feel any sexual attraction towards someone you barley know or do you consciously decide against having one night stands although you sometimes find guys hot?

[diamond567]

@Tonytoutouni123 At this point I wouldn’t have one night stands with any guy no matter how hot they are

[Tonytoutouni123]

@diamond567 Thanks for your opinion

[diamond567]

@Tonytoutouni123 You’re welcome I say that because I haven’t had good experiences with guys before

[Tonytoutouni123]

@diamond567 Sry I have forgotten to answer. You only had bad experiences so far? In what way were they bad?

[LittleTurtleDuck]

None, I don't know their personalities so I can not decide.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Do you only feel attracted to someone if you know his personality? What about ONS?

[LittleTurtleDuck]

I have no physical attraction until I've got to know their personalities.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@littleturtleduck I know it's been a while, but I have a very private question (if you don't want to answer here, feel free to write me a dm or if you don't want to do that either, just ignore the question): Do you masturbate? And if yes, is it that you only masturbate thinking about people you know the personality of? Or is it different with masturbation? Do you for example also masturbate to porn (where you don't know the personality of the performers)?

[AmandaYVR]

I picked Clooney. Not exactly sure why he's in the mix. He's not a criminal, or immoral, nor has a bad temper. He was known as the consummate bachelor who would never settle down, but he married a very strong and accomplished women, so he is no longer the model for men in this regard. I know in general of his political views. His father was a professional journalist with high standards for himself and his son. I see no problem with any of this. My choice is based on character. But I also think he's very attractive. So, easy choice.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@amandayvr „My choice is based on character. But I also think he's very attractive.“ And who would you choose if your decision was based on looks alone?

[AmandaYVR]

Most of your questions are based on attempting to deconstruct the idea of the 'bad boy' and his appeal. So are you sure this one is based solely on looks and nothing else? Because that is a less interesting question. And I want to make it clear to you that many/most women do not choose men based solely on their looks. We are much more holistic in our approach, and even attraction.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@amandayvr Haha yes I am in generell interested in deconstruct the Bad Boy phänomenon but after I got your answer, I was just curious to know which one is more attractive in your eyes, simply based on looks. Yes I know that looks are only part of a man's appeal. With a woman, looks aren't the only thing that matters either. But women are generally less arousable by visual stimuli than men are.

[AmandaYVR]

Well the Meeks guy is obviously very good looking (he remind me of my second boyfriend.) But if you lined up Clooney next to Meeks, and neither were famous and I didn't know anything of their identities or histories, I bet you Clooney would look warm, friendly, approachable, and the Meeks guy would again look like he had a chip on his shoulder (he always looks that way from the pics and vids I've seen) so again, I'd pick the nicer man. Who cares who I/we think is better looking? It's almost irrelevant.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@amandayvr Thanks for your opinion.

[BilyanasBeach]

George Clooney even though I don't do one night stands xD

[Tonytoutouni123]

Why not Dan Bilzerian? 🤷‍♂️ Whats wrong with him? You do not like his looks or what is it? He looks very manly, doesn't he? I thought he'd be popular with you girls.

[BilyanasBeach]

I didn't know him and it seems like there wouldn't be any real connection. I see him as just this materialistic/egoistical maybe even narcissist type that would treat sex as if it's an award rather than a way to connect with a person, an experience. When I try to imagine having sex with him, I think he would treat me like I'm a sex doll (It's just an assumption of course, but he has hundreds of women, he probably does treat them that way, it's more believable than him forming a special connection with each of them). While Geroge Clooney, who is much older than me, I think would see me as this young inexperienced girl and be gentle and passionate even if it's just a one time thing, and I find him more handsome too :) But I have too much respect and appreciation for his wife to think about this any longer xD

[Tonytoutouni123]

He is definitely very materialistic, but not narcissistic at all. He treats every woman well. But I see what you mean. He definitely wouldn't form a real connection with you. But that's kind of the exception for a one-night stand anyway.

[aWes0MeNeSs]

Yikes, I seriously hope nobody picked #1...

I don't do one night stands and couldn't care less about celebrities (and want nothing to do with criminals), so my answer would be none of the above.

[Tonytoutouni123]

In fact he is currently the 2nd most popular 😅. Number 2 is currently the most popular. Ok then just choose the one that looks the most attractive even if you wouldn't have an ONS with him.

[aWes0MeNeSs]

Ew, yuck, are you serious? Lol! To be honest, I'm not attracted to any of them, though.

[Tonytoutouni123]

i read that a lot of women paid money into a fund to give him a very good criminal defense after his very attractive mugshot was posted on facebook and went viral with many comments from women who wrote how hot he looks. Because of his popularity with women he got very well paid advertising deals while still in prison which made the judge release him from prison earlier because he had this very good chance to make something out of his life without being criminal again. When he was released from jail, he got in a relationship with the daughter of a billionaire and broke up with his wife. And nowadays he earns a lot of money as a model himself. Life is not always fair 🤷‍♂️. Can you think of an example of a man who is your type?

[aWes0MeNeSs]

That's disgusting! And I'm not really sure, to be honest. It's been a long time since I've even found myself attracted to someone. When I am, it's always after I've gotten to know them and they always start off as just another guy, so I really don't know if I have a "type" physically or not.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@awes0meness Ok thanks for your opinion!

[aWes0MeNeSs]

No problem!

[CrazyGirl2]

No one night stands, period! But just who I think is more attractive… Colin Farrell.

[Gotcha_Writer10]

None. Not my type.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Can you think of a man who is your type?

[Tonytoutouni123]

@gotcha_writer10?

[HartleyB]

Either the German rapper or the body builder only if they are submissive and up for bdsm, which I think the body builder wouldn't like tbh but it would be hot to dominate a man that big just saying

[Tonytoutouni123]

i honestly suspect that the german rapper would also want to take the dominant part at sex but i wouldn't have guessed from your profile picture that you like it if the man is submissive. Is that you in your profile picture?

[Porcelaine]

#2 looks hot.

[Porcelaine]

You picked visually appealing guys, so I hope you realize if they choose him, its for their looks, not for the crimes they did in the past

[Tonytoutouni123]

It definitely has a lot to do with his looks that he is so popular with women. But i do not think it is just that. Do you think it is all about his looks and has absolutely nothing to do with his prison past? Honest answer please. Do not worry, i will never behave like him anyway so you can be honest :)

[Porcelaine]

I am 100% honest when I say its his looks and not his prison past. Especially since his past includes abusing a teenager. I guarantee you, out of all women who were attracted to him, once someone tells them what he went to prison for, 90% will run away and never look at him again. You must be surrounded with very dysfunctional, low self esteem women to believe girls are attracted to this shit.

[Tonytoutouni123]

I know for sure that he is unattractive for most girls as a long-term partner. But I believe that moral standards are irrelevant when it comes to short-term mating. And I also believe it has nothing to do with low self esteem as sexual attraction is caused subconsciously

[Porcelaine]

No no, what you said is that his violent past made him MORE attractive for a hookup. Thats still a big no

[Tonytoutouni123]

A woman here has already confirmed my guess

[Tonytoutouni123]

But no worries. I am definitely not going to be violent haha

[Porcelaine]

''A woman''. Not the rest of the women who voted and responded. Why are you selectively picking that one answer which agrees with you, and ignore the rest which say something else?

[Tonytoutouni123]

She was the only one who answered me when I asked if it was attractive. Another said she didn't care what he did. She didn't answer me when I asked if it was just irrelevant or even attractive. I admit that this one answer is not meaningful, because I would need many more answers for that. But I believe that aggressive and selfish behaviour has been evolutionary advantageous and therefore attractive to women. I have also read a study that confirms that women prefer a man who is aggressive, not for a long-term relationship, but for a one-night stand. Especially on their fertile days. It was about a sub-form of aggression, which is called "appetitive aggression" in German. Unfortunately I did not find the English translation. But it describes someone who feels good about causing physical pain to others (like probably Jeremy Meeks). Over 1000 women participated in the study. So it is statistically relevant and it was certainly not only women with a low self-esteem. Appetitive aggression (e. g. beating someone up out of lust) was probably evolutionarily beneficial.

[Porcelaine]

Oh my GOD, NO!!! Agressive and violent are not the same thing. You are trying to find some deeper meaning into something so simple, and you end up twisting it by making criminals seem attractive based on their criminal past. One girl is enough to trigger you into believing that majority of women feel this way, and after that you go into an evolutionary analysis. Just NO. It was ONE answer. One night stand with someone agressive means that he is someone who will just have his way with her, be unafraid to express his sexual desire for her and just go for it, that is what is meant by aggressive sexually. Not agressive violently. That word has many colors, when a person is agressive in career, they know what they want, go after it, are ambitious and motivated. When a person is agressive sexually, they express the desire to have sex with them openly, there is nothing romantic or subtle about it, they are not shy in bed and know what they are doing, that is a fantasy for some girls. When a person is agressive in a physical way, that is negative, violent and abusive. Noone wants that, not even for one night stand, unless they have low self esteem or some other mental issues.

[Tonytoutouni123]

ok I can see that you have a very different point of view 😄 I'm glad that you argue so strongly against it, but this one girl who wrote that Jeremy meeks is attractive not only because of his looks, has little to no impact on my opinion. I read the study weeks ago before I did these surveys here, and it definitely did not mean aggressive in the sense of sexually dominant in the bedroom 😂😂. It was about a fictional scenario in which the woman was asked to rate a soldier who had just returned from a war on his attractiveness in terms of a one-night stand and long-term mate: there were 2 descriptions of men. Both descriptions were exactly the same (same character traits, same hobbies etc.). The only difference was that the one man was written to mean that he fought to defend his country and to defend his family, but that he did not feel "joy" in killing the enemy. In the other case, it was written that killing the enemy gave him joy. One half of the women got to read the 1st description and the other half of the women got to read the 2nd description. The aggressive man was preferred for one night stand to the other, whereby the differences were very large, especially when the women had their fertile days. The other man was preferred for a long - term relationship. What I have to admit, however, is that in my opinion the study was not carried out well, because the women were told that the soldier had fought against Al-Qaida terrorists and that they had planned more attacks in Germany. As I said, it was fictitious. So, in my opinion, it is no longer unnecessary violence against innocent people, but against very bad people, and it only served as a defence. So maybe I'm wrong in assuming that unnecessarily violent behavior is attractive to women for an ONS.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Nonetheless, there are a lot of other socially negative traits that are undoubtedly attractive to women: - Extreme arrogance is definitely attractive. - Studies often show that women are attracted by what is called the "dark triad". These are: narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Which means: very selfish and very exploitative. "Other people don't matter, only I matter“ - a lot of women, when asked why they go for bad boys, say that they love rebellious behavior. Because it's so "courageous" to break rules. That's bullshit. If a rule/law is stupid, break it. (Although sometimes the sense of a rule/law is not immediately obvious but still exists). But simply breaking laws on principle to show how rebellious you are is stupid but unfortunately attractive.

[Porcelaine]

😱😱😱😱😱😱🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 I could argue on this all day, but there is clearly no point since you believe random questionable studies. I am a woman and spend time with a lot of different women, the only ones who are actually attracted to any of these traits are either immature or emotionally damaged. So I dont know what kind of bullshit studies you read, there is a study on almost everything, and you can find several studies on the same subject with different results in each. You have blown all of these out of proportion, some of them have certain appeal, not all of them combined, and not extreme like you described. Extreme arrogance? Def no, arrogance is annoying and not to be mistaken with confidence. The dark triad? Extremely selfish and exploitative? Others dont matter only I matter? Can you honestly put yourself in the mindset of a person who would think this is hot? These studies are done by lonely men who think they have figured out why women dont want them. I do agree with rebellious behaviour, but that has nothing to do with courage. Its more the spontaneity and acting out of emotion, out of strong desire for something. people who describe breaking the rules as courage are children. And you are young too. This is why you so easily buy into these hollywood cliche stereotypes, but if you observe women in the real world, not g@g or studies found online, you will see that healthy mindset is attracted to positive traits, and girls who like things you describe end up in therapists office crying.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Believe me or not. They were really serious studies and I did not select them selectively, but read every study on the subject I could find. At least as far as narcissism is concerned, there was 100% agreement and absolutely no doubt that it is attractive. It was not only men who did these studies but also many women and there are always several researchers involved. And the men are certainly not all just lonely men looking for reasons for their failure. I could always see a picture of each researcher involved. One of my pages from which I take my studies is researchgate. net. But I admit that I may have exaggerated with "extreme". Strike that extreme. I claim arrogance definitely looks attractive, but only if the man is not a loser. He's gotta have some kind of superiority and success. If he is also arrogant, then women are totally attracted to such a man, much more so than if he was just self-confident instead of arrogant. I also think that many women are perhaps not even aware that they like arrogance. "some of them have certain appeal, not all of them combined, and not extreme like you described." Okay, I'm very curious now. What negative characteristics can appear attractive?

[Porcelaine]

I'm sure some of those studies were legitimate, but I'd still love to take a look to see how exactly they were executed. Because I firmly believe no more than 5-10% of women would find it attractive. No more than this. So if study finds that it's attractive, does not mean it applies to all women. Like foot fetishes. Proven to exist often, but not all men fantasise about feet more than the boobs. "but only if the man is not a loser. He's gotta have some kind of superiority and success" There you go. So if arrogance was so attractive, it would work either way. Confidence is sexy whether the man is broke or not. Big boobs are sexy whether they are on a waitress or on a lawyer. So if arrogance was an attractive quality on its own, it would not need assistance of other qualities. And you asked me to name some negative qualities that could be attractive. Well that could be a long list, but each could also depend on circumstances or mostly on the person who likes them. So I will not list any as I again don't want to give an impression those are attractive to the majority. And actual attractive qualities don't need special circumstances. A nice genuine smile will work on anyone.

[Tonytoutouni123]

"So if study finds that it's attractive, does not mean it applies to all women." yeah, I think so too, but unlike foot fetish, it applies to the majority. But since this character trait is socially undesirable, many women often have a problem admitting it, or do not want to admit it to themselves because they find it unpleasant and do not like arrogant behavior on a conscious level. "So if arrogance was an attractive quality on its own, it would not need assistance of other qualities." I think that's oversimplifying. There are also things that only work in combination. Arrogance signals that one is convinced that he is superior to others in certain aspects. If he is really superior he is attractive, and arrogance increases the attractiveness. But if someone is obviously a loser but also an arrogant person, the woman sees through this person and realizes that the arrogance is not justified and is only meant to hide his own weaknesses. Then she has no interest. Arrogance is a piece of many that is supposed to signal superiority. On its own, however, it is ineffective because it is then untrustworthy. In combination with other attractive qualities it confirms the woman in the assumption that a man has a "high value". „And you asked me to name some negative qualities that could be attractive. Well that could be a long list, but each could also depend on circumstances or mostly on the person who likes them. So I will not list any as I again don't want to give an impression those are attractive to the majority.“ Then just name one negative quality that could be attractive to you under certain circumstances. I will definitely not try to acquire this quality, but am curious.

[Tonytoutouni123]

„A nice genuine smile will work on anyone.“ I am very sure, the complete opposite is correct. In terms of liking someone personally you are 100% right. A genuine smile makes a person way more preferred as a platonic friend and probably also as a long-term mate. But it kills every sexual arousal in a woman. So the happy and friendly looking guy is definitely not be picked for a One Night Stand. I again have to refer to a study that proofed this. The study figured out that women prefer a friendly looking guy in a photo as I said as a platonic friend but a „bad“ looking guy for sex. According to the results of this study, even a shameful looking guy looks sexually more attractive than a friendly looking guy.

[Porcelaine]

Oh my god, you are so deluded. You read one questionable study, misinterpreted it completely and now you are going so far with it making other claims that you think relates to this study which was never even accurate. There are also studies that show ground up spiders cure cancer, not all studies are worth reading. Please do not read retarded studies from men who pretend to know what majority of women are attracted to, this 'study' is only going to bring you to desperate mentally damaged women it actually applies to. I dont know exactly which study it is, perhaps you should send the link here, because its either bs, or it has some valid points but you are misinterpreting it to fit your agenda and going waay too far with it. I am surrounded with women all the time, met hundreds of them, they are vocal and do not hold back with their views, I watch their behaviour, I've been on G@G for years asking these type of questions and you are way off with your claims based on one study, experience with one girl from your friend, now trying to claim its majority of women when even your poll results dont prove the same.

[Porcelaine]

"many women often have a problem admitting it, or do not want to admit it to themselves" so now you are so sure of this, even women who say no to this, its not because they have a different preference, its because they are not honest with themselves..🤣👌ok dude. "I think that's oversimplifying. There are also things that only work in combination. " then next time you make a bold claim like this, make sure to point out the combination, since arrogance on its own is a negative trait. And I still think you mistake arrogance for confidence. Confidence is super sexy, the more confident, the better, arrogance is just childish, and its something people look past, it does not increase attractiveness even if they have the goods to back their arrogant claims. This is why confidence is better. A guy can be as you say 'loser', not great looking or jobless, if he is confident and knows how to talk to girls, he can still get them, while arrogance will just look pathetic. One negative quality I might find attractive? Maybe a bit hot headed. Simply because those people seem more honest and just pour out what they're feeling, so I don't have to pry it out of them, like some guys keep their feelings inside. So even as a negative, it shows positive traits, open and raw emotions. And you completely misunderstood the smile comment. A nice smile, a good loud laugh can be very sexy. There are different kinds of smiles. Some can be shy and bashful, which would suggest friendliness like you said. But some smiles can be confident, flirty, seductive, a good smile can make a girl weak in the knees. So when girls see a bunch of photos and choose friend vs one night stand. Its not the smile vs no smile, some smiles have that sinister look in their eyes like they're picturing you naked. While a serious and mysterious looking guy can just look dull.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine I have now read the original study instead of a report on the study. The study was done by a woman and a man. What I was wrongly claiming (because a report claimed that) was that looking "bad" or arrogant was the facial expression that was most attractive. Nevertheless, there are a lot of studies that prove that arrogance is attractive. Not only because it signals self-confidence, but even more than that. This study compared the facial expressions: Happy, Pride, Shame and Neutral. Pride seemed to be most attractive on men. However, happy was by far the least attractive expression on men's faces. For women, by the way, it's the other way around. I still think your statement: "A nice genuine smile will work on anyone." is completely wrong. This is the worst way to look at a woman if you want to look attractive to her. It's better not to look at the woman at all than to give her a nice genuine smile. "experience with one girl from your friend, now trying to claim its majority of women" No no no. My opinion isn't formed just because of one girl. I've seen something like this 100,000 times in my life. That was just a perfect example because the woman told him straight to his face. That woman helped my friend a lot. As far as the bad boy topic is concerned, you only have to go through life with your eyes open to see that it is definitely true.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine Last week I talked about this topic again with another friend of mine who is extremely popular with women. He confirmed me and told me that it is definitely beneficial to be a bit of an asshole. He said that he used to treat women like shit and that I cannot imagine how many women were crazy about him back then. He's not like that anymore. He currently has a girlfriend that he loves and is faithful to. But during his "bad boy time" he had 2 very pretty girlfriends at the same time and he also cheated with other women. Although the women found out about it quickly and were very sad, neither of them left him, but tried even harder to please him. He also often wondered why women always took a special interest in him when he barely noticed them and for example almost never wrote back in text messages or was even partly impertinent to them (for example he just didn't show up on a date once). And before you say that I would generalize again, this is just one story of many. Back in high school, it was usually aggressive assholes who bullied others who were popular with women. I've often heard it's because those guys are considered cool. But nobody would have considered them cool if they were unpopular with women. But because they were popular with women, they were considered cool and they got respect from other guys, which in turn made women consider them even more attractive.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine "[...] when even your poll results dont prove the same." What do you mean? "so now you are so sure of this, even women who say no to this, its not because they have a different preference, its because they are not honest with themselves..🤣ok dude." I claim that they are not 100% aware of what exactly it is that makes a guy attractive to them. Simply because attractiveness arises subconsciously, I believe that women don't know whether they find a bad boy attractive because he is confident, adventurous, strong, masculine, etc., or whether they find him attractive because his bad behaviour appears attractive to them. "then next time you make a bold claim like this, make sure to point out the combination, since arrogance on its own is a negative trait." Arrogance is not negative! It is positive depending on the context, or at least neutral but never negative. If a man is a leader, women consider him attractive. If he is also arrogant, women consider him even more attractive. So arrogance in this case is positive. If a man is a loser, women consider him unattractive. If he is arrogant, it probably won't do him any good because the woman is convinced that he is a loser. Maybe he is lucky and a woman suspects that he is really successful and does not realize that he actually is a loser. However, at least his arrogance doesn't harm him, as the woman finds him unattractive anyway. So he can't lose anything. So in any case it makes sense to act arrogant. I agree with you that confidence is much more important than arrogance. But the combination of both works best (for a short-term relationship)

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine First you said, "A nice genuine smile will work on anyone." And now you're singing: "some smiles have that sinister look" Sinister look is exactly what I mean! A man looks especially attractive if he looks evil or sinister or whatever you want to call it. I don't speak English very well, but according to my translator bad and sinister means something very similar and when I google "sinister look" and go to google pictures I only see evil looking figures. You are basically telling me that there are also ways to look bad with a certain way of smiling, namely sinister. So you agree with me, it's all about looking bad or mean or evil or sinister or whatever you want to call it. I firmly believe that evilness simply fascinates women. And I can't blame women for that, because evolutionarily it was certainly beneficial.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine I cannot send the link of the study about men being unattractive when they are happy, because i am not level 3 on GAG. But the study is named: „Happy Guys Finish Last: The Impact of Emotion Expressions on Sexual Attraction“. You can find it through google

[Porcelaine]

''I've seen something like this 100,000 times in my life'' oh please. You're 23. You haven't seen it even 50 times. I will make a poll about this, as I know from experience and spending time around girls how disarming a good smile can be, vs dangerous or mysterious looking no fun dude. And I will make sure to add which one is sexually appealing. Women KNOW what attracts them consciously or subconsciously. And if you're picking stories from high school bullies vs unpopular guys well that is just a silly example. They are too young and stupid, are not allowed to drink or drive, so they do not represent majority of adult girls. They might like the loud obnoxious guys in school for their confidence and because they make the whole class laugh, but this does not even relate. Arrogance is negative, period. Whether he is successful or poor, that is an offputting, women repelling quality. I said sinister SMILE, not just sinister. If your English is not right then the translator will not do you any favors because what I meant with sinister smile is different than any other sinister expression. Sinister smile in a very specific way, is when the guy is lusting after a girl and picturing doing dirty things to her. There is nothing evil about this, but it is arousing since any thought of sex is arousing

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine
''I've seen something like this 100,000 times in my life'' oh please. You're 23. You haven't seen it even 50 times.“

100,000 was colloquial. I have not counted, but of course it will have been much less than 100 000 times.
How many there were depends on how you count. If I only count the people that I know personally well, it was definitely less than 50, but if I also count every time I saw one of these guys with a hot chick in a club or in everyday life, then it is definitely more than 50.
In any case, there were so many that I suspected quite early in my life that bad, morally wrong behaviour somehow attracts women. Fact is, most women say that they are attracted to this type of man. Not only in the studies I have read on the subject, but also in my poll: Does every woman feel sexually attracted to bad boys at least in one phase of her life? ↗

Unfortunately I have to doubt the 40% of women who claim that they do not find this type of man attractive. One woman mentioned that she does not like men at all and therefore voted against Bad Boys. Another one says that she is asexual. And with the other women I unfortunately have to assume a dark figure, because many women (for whatever reason) think that it would be morally reprehensible to find bad behaviour sexually attractive or do not want to admit it for reasons unknown to me.
There are tons of videos on YouTube of street surveys where women are asked if they prefer bad boys or good guys and most say bad boys. It's especially extreme when the polls take place at night in front of a club when the women are a bit drunk (and therefore probably more honest). Then it is something like 85%.

I know that you think my idea that some women don't tell the truth (either because they lie or because they are not aware of the truth) is absurd, but I have good reason to believe that:

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine
I recently read this study. I will summarize it for you briefly: (here is the whole study: www.researchgate.net/.../...-sexual-attraction.pdf

Women were presented with 4 descriptions of men and were asked the following questions:

Q1. Would you like to hook up with him at a party?
Q2. Would you like to have a relationship with him?
Q3. Would your friends like to hook up with him at a party?
Q4. Would your friends like to have a relationship with him?
Q5. Would other girls you know like to hook up with him at a party?
Q6. Would other girls you know like to have a relationship with him?

Here are the 4 descriptions:

„Boy 1. He is a funny bastard. He seems disinterested in girls and can’t even remember their names after hooking up with them... In fact, he laughs at his friends who act like that... by that point some girls want to be with him again, and he disdains them persistently. He is not as sensible and good as his friends are, but his strong temper makes him somebody interesting to be discovered. Lots have tried to. He is someone to be rescued. He has a difficult personality.“

„Boy 3. You want not to like him but his hypnotic eyes will hook you. You will probably be just another girl he’s been with but most are not ashamed to admit they dream to be the one to save him. Despite the fact that he has touched them without consent, they believe they can change him. He’s totally the hottest boy. His personality is scary, but it will make you drool.“

„Boy 2. He is the boy every girl dreams to be with for the rest of her life; well-mannered, courteous, respectful of every- one. He knows how to treat girls as queens. He cares and is attentive. My friends say it’s a pity he is not manlier.“

„Boy 4. Open and friendly, he makes girls feel comfortable. He’s nice, funny, dedicated and makes interesting conversations. He is the good-hearted guy that mothers love.“

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine I think the study is poorly done, as Boy 2 is described as unmanly, it is obvious that he is unattractive to women. Besides, Boy 1 is not really a bad boy. However, "Despite the fact that he has touched them without consent.“ shows that boy 3 is a bad boy. But I'm not even getting at that. It's not about which one of these guys is good with women, it's about something else: Most women have claimed in Question 1 that they would prefer the "good guys" (boy 2 or boy 4) for a hook up. However, in Question 3, many more women have said that their friends prefer the "bad boys" (boy 1 and boy 3) And on Question 5, the vast majority of women answered that other women they know prefer the "bad boys". "The observed trend is that the more distance there is among female participants themselves and the subjects for whom they are answering (their friends or other girls), the higher the percentage of positive answers for either hooking up or having a relationship with the boys with violent behaviours." In simple terms, most women say that they themselves rather would hook-up with good guys, but that the other women prefer bad boys for hook-ups. But since most women say that, it can't be true. 🤷‍♂️ You know what I mean? So I guess that women (consciously or unconsciously) do not always tell the truth when they say that they prefer good guys for a hook-up. Once the situation arises that they meet a bad boy in real life, some of the women who deny it will find the bad boy attractive and hook up with him.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine
"They are too young and stupid..."
They might be young and stupid, but they already have a functioning sex drive and are very drive-driven at that age. That's why they are actually the most important group of women that I have to ask about the bad boy topic and whose choice of sexual partner I have to interpret, because they are most likely controlled by their sex drive and I want to find out what is most attractive to women in purely sexual terms.
I believe that many women at the age of 40, for example, of course still have a sex drive, but are no longer so strongly influenced by it and therefore often consciously decide against the bad boy, although he is still most attractive to them from a purely sexual point of view.

"Arrogance is negative, period."

I'd like to believe it, but unfortunately I must strongly disagree.
Just now, I read the following question on GAG:
Is there such a thing as "tall guy addiction" or is it just a girl thing? Am I normal? Have you had similar experiences? ↗

(Please skim this question briefly)

Although the subject is a different one (namely body size), it becomes obvious that the female questioner finds this one bad boy extremely attractive:
"He was a dick, but still I was so "addicted" to him and would do everything he wanted from me [...]"
She says quite clearly that he was arrogant:
"He was so arrogant and never texted me back even though I sent him like 1 million text messages!"

This is one of the 100 000 times in my life when I feel that being arrogant, being a bad boy or an asshole and so on is more attractive to women than being a humble (but still confident, assertive, extremely manly and so on) good guy.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine Are you really saying that this woman is just an exception? Or do you really claim that this man would have been equally attractive to the woman if he had been humble instead of an arrogant dick? The woman has already confirmed to me elsewhere that this is not the case. I asked her: "which guy appears sexually more attractive: the Good Guy or the Bad Boy. Given that both are equally good-looking, confident, assertive, manly, dominant etc." Her answer: "Sexually speaking the bad guy obviously" The body size and the confidents were the reasons why she became interested in this bad boy. But it was his arrogance that made her "addicted" to him. Confident makes a man attractive, but additional arrogance greatly increases the attractiveness even way more. "I said sinister SMILE, not just sinister. If your English is not right then the translator will not do you any favors because what I meant with sinister smile is different than any other sinister expression. Sinister smile in a very specific way, is when the guy is lusting after a girl and picturing doing dirty things to her. There is nothing evil about this, but it is arousing since any thought of sex is arousing" Yeah, I know. But it's still noticeable that the term "sinister" came to your mind when describing a sexually attractive smile. One associates sexual attractiveness with something sinister/evil. Okay, maybe I'm overinterpreting that.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine I have read all these studies and registered on GaG and done polls to finally understand the bad boy phenomenon. I will probably never fully understand it, but it is enough for me to know that most women find bad boys most attractive (from a purely sexual point of view). No good guy in the world can make up for the advantage a bad boy has with women through the fascination of his evilness. Unless: He plays the bad boy imagine to women. For a very manly looking good guy, who dresses like a bad boy, it is a breeze to get women into bed by creating the impression that he is a bad boy. And if he wants to marry one day, he will choose one of the 15% of women who do not suffer from the "bad boy syndrome".

[Porcelaine]

@the study. Dude... this study was performed on SECONDARY SCHOOL STUDENTS. it means girls under 16years of age. I already stated girls who actually are into the bad boy type are either really stupid, low iq or really young. Girls at that age still get their pigtails pulled by their schoolmates "without their consent" and they think that shows the guy likes them. Girls at that age have crushes on fictional characters, anime characters, they watch movies like Twilight and fall inlove with the vampire, but then they grow up and laugh at how silly that was. Show me a study performed on women AT LEAST over the age of 22. I have to remind myself you are only 23 years old so your observings were clearly of girls who are still underdeveloped.

[Porcelaine]

"I believe that many women at the age of 40, for example, of course still have a sex drive, but are no longer so strongly influenced by it and therefore often consciously decide against the bad boy, although he is still most attractive to them from a purely sexual point of view." Oh hell no. Do more reading on sexual drives in women. Most dont even have it at 16, guys are the ones who peak sexually at late teens. Womens sexual drive grows over time, peaks in 30s or 40s. And no the bad boy is not the most attractive to them sexually because he never was lol. When women grow out of the magical thinking phase and become adults, not necessarily at 18, but then they are sexually attracted to someone who they think is good in bed. And that is usually someone who looks confident, has a good body. Not violent.

[Porcelaine]

@the question with the tall guy. Again, posted by a clueless 18 year old. And she never stated she liked him for his arrogance or bad behavior, she stated she liked him IN SPITE of that. Once a girl falls for a guy she is willing to overlook many flaws, do not mistake her for liking those flaws. She said she had a crush on him for a long time, which means she did not actually know him personally if he's a good boy or bad, just was attracted to his looks and made up a fantasy in her mind. And the way girls fantasise is usually him kissing her, him touching her, looking into her eyes and smiling... not being arrogant and not texting back. So they finally met at the party, she did not say he was arrogant before he got her into bed, and from my experience guys do everything the girl wants to get sex, tell her they love her, buy her dinners, give her compliments to get her into bed, only after his true colours show. So at the party I bet he was very nice to her, smiling, they got along well and had chemistry, which led to them making out and having sex. She says only after that he turned into your stereotype. And you should know girls literally release a chemical in the brain after having sex making her have feelings for the guy. Its very true when they say girls have a clear head before sex, guys do after. So in conclusion, she liked a tall guy, they got to socialize at a party, had sex, the sex messed with her brain and turned crush into a full blown obsession. The ''bad boy'' qualities showed up the day after and they were not what attracter her to him. This can only happen to young, unexperienced girls or low iq ones. But again, you are 23 so 18yr olds wanting to hook up are probably your target audience. Go ahead, try the bad boy routine to get sex. It will not work on girls who have grown up or got smarter.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine

"AT LEAST over the age of 22."
I admit the students were too young.
But at the age of 18 at the latest, most women are old enough to stop falling in love with vampires and go to clubs to get laid. From then on it counts for me whether they like bad boys.

"I have to remind myself you are only 23 years old"
Actually, I'm only 22 😉

"And no the bad boy is not the most attractive to them sexually because he never was lol."

If not the bad boy, then who?
I believe you when you say it's not the case with you, but it is with most women. In fact, the majority of women in my survey admit this and in YouTube videos the result is usually even clearer.

"Most dont even have it at 16"
So you're telling me that most women don't have sex drive during their first time?

"Again, posted by a clueless 18 year old."
She definitely has sex drive at that age and I bet she'll still be into bad boys in five years.
I hear it quite often: "Women like bad boys when they're young. But once they get older and they've fucked enough with them and had their fun, they don't want bad boys anymore, they want a good guy as a husband."

Trust me, no good guy wants to hear that 😂

"And she never stated she liked him for his arrogance or bad behavior, she stated she liked him IN SPITE of that."

If I had just read her question, I would have gotten the same impression. But unfortunately, that's not true.
I had the following conversation with her (you can prove it in the comments of my question if you want: Is it true that women find a man attractive as either a long-term mate or a short-term mate, but not for both? ↗

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine Me: "If a guy can make you laugh, does it make him appear to have less sex appeal to you than a "bad boy" who looks more mean and who isn't humorous?" her: "Sense of humor is a plus definitely. However, the bad guy usually is more interesting. There are lots of other factors though like looks. Me: "Isn't that a contradiction? If I have a sense of humor as a man, I don't seem so interesting. Isn't that a definite disadvantage? I'm just asking about the purely sexual attractiveness. Not about which of the two types of men (humorous Good Guy vs. Criminal Bad Boy) is more likeable! So which guy appears sexually more attractive: the Good Guy or the Bad Boy. Given that both are equally good-looking, confident, assertive, manly, dominant etc." her: „Sexually speaking the bad guy obviously“ me: „Do you know what it is about the bad guy that increases his sex appeal? Is it his arrogance?“ her: „I think so“ I think her answer is very clear and leaves no room for interpretation. „So in conclusion, she liked a tall guy, they got to socialize at a party, had sex, the sex messed with her brain and turned crush into a full blown obsession. The ''bad boy'' qualities showed up the day after and they were not what attracter her to him.“ No no no. Definitely not. Such cases do exist, but it is not the rule and it definitely was not the case with her. „It will not work on girls who have grown up or got smarter.“ I have a different opinion. We will see..

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine "Trust me, no good guy wants to hear that" Except me! I don't give a shit about what the truth looks like. I just want to know the truth.

[Porcelaine]

''But at the age of 18 at the latest, most women are old enough to stop falling in love with vampires and go to clubs to get laid'' at 18is when they START going to clubs since that is the age they are legal to go in and order drinks 😁 university age, 19-24 are usually the years to get clubbing out of their system. And they might not watch twilight anymore, but upgrade to vampire diaries or true blood. Not as silly, but still juvenile and they love those vampires too. ☺ ''In fact, the majority of women in my survey admit this and in YouTube videos the result is usually even clearer.'' I want to see all of those. ''If not the bad boy, then who?'' In the most generic terms someone good looking, confident, not afraid being himself, dominating, fun but still kind and respectful. Bad boys only attract low self esteem girls, or immature ones. What you wrote after that about 18 yr olds and your conversation to that particular 18yr old girl I will not read, because I already stated they do not represent all women. They dont even know what they really want yet or who they are. What an 18yr old gets aroused by is totally different to women who are fully developed and not just experiencing the world through brand new adult eyes with lvl1 experience.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@porcelaine
„What you wrote after that about 18 yr olds and your conversation to that particular 18yr old girl I will not read, because I already stated they do not represent all women.“

So you think that this woman will be more "mature" in 5 years and will no longer be into arrogance and bad boys? I don’t think so. It lasts at least until she wants to marry

„What an 18yr old gets aroused by is totally different to women who are fully developed“

So I understand you correctly that most women find bad boys sexually attractive at the age of 18, but that this changes later on?
At what age do you think it changes for most women? How old were you when it changed?

„I want to see all of those.“
The videos I watch are usually in German, but here are some in English:
I guess when they are a bit tipsy they are often more honest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9TlP-nkRyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMxJ8HYk5Ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8CyOBw3lck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgzcDeFnG0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElK1983mcPc

[AlienParasite]

Beign completely honest, none has the type of face that makes me feel attracted... I don't know why but I like more boyish-cute faces. But I'll take the exercise as, "have a night stand with one of these men or we will kill your parents".

Now, continuing with honesty, didn't read and just looked photos first. Looking just photos, the first guy was more attractive to me. His facial traits are model like. BUT then I read... and even felt a shiver. Because of who he is I couldn't be comfortable.

So, from looks and who he is, the German Rapper (2) would be the choice, because I don't like guys more than 10 years older than me, I don't like guys with too much muscles, I don't like guys who beat people or commit crimes and a dude with many girls turns me off a lot.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@alienparasite Thanks for your opinion 🙂

[SSam23]

Shindy

[Tonytoutouni123]

Thanks for your opinion!

[bigmisssunshine]

I don’t do one night stands so I don’t know.

[Tonytoutouni123]

Ok then just choose the one that looks the most attractive even if you wouldn't have an ONS with him.

[bigmisssunshine]

None of them are my type 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Tonytoutouni123]

Then can you give me an example of a man who's your type?

[bigmisssunshine]

Sam Heughan

[Tonytoutouni123]

@bigmisssunshine Ok thanks for your opinion!

[DizzyDesii]

Im not into one night stands but Colin Farrell has always been bae 🙌 and then George Clooney

[Tonytoutouni123]

Ok I see 🙂 thanks for your opinion.

[menina]

Honestly none of them 😂 But if I really had to choose I would pick George Clooney. Why? As far as I know he's not a criminal, he looks human, he's not a rapper, not German and he never beat up a woman.

[Tonytoutouni123]

I was about to press "I like it", but what is wrong with being German?

[Tonytoutouni123]

And what is wrong with being a rapper? 😅

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina

[menina]

I don't like Germans nor rappers.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina: How can you dislike a whole nation of people? Have you met every German in the world to say you don't like us? We are 82 million.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina: Don't you think it's a coincidence what country you're born into?

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina: Have you had bad experiences with Germans or where does your attitude come from?

[menina]

Yes , something told me that you were German. No, I haven't and I know Germany is a populous country.

[menina]

What do you mean by coincidence? I was born in Angola.

[menina]

I know Germans are racist, I know that many black people died in Germany. They were killed by white supremacists. I also know about a German man who had an affair with an Angolan woman, killed her and their daughter.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina I mean that you don't get to choose where you're born. It might just as well have been that instead of being born in Angola, you could have been born in Germany. Would you call yourself a racist then? That doesn't make any sense, does it? I don't think just because you are racist that everyone from Angola is racist 🙂. "I also know about a German man who had an affair with an Angolan woman, killed her and her daughter" Honey, just because you've heard of one evil German doesn't mean that all Germans are evil. There are evil people in every country, right? "I know that many black people died in Germany. They were killed by white supremacists." Ok listen. You know nothing at all. I've read a lot of stupid stuff on this platform, but you really outdo everybody else by far. You know google. de right? You can easily check, that what you are claiming is not true at all. You have an internet access and can inform yourself. Believe me, whoever told you anything about Germany lied to you. Why do you think black people are being killed in Germany? Why do you have this absurd idea? There are very few murders in my country. We live all in peace ✌️

[menina]

Well the odds of me being born in German would be really low, unless I was white. And obviously if I was German I wouldn't call myself racist. No racist does that. Also, it seems like you think I'm racist... "There are evil people in every country, right?" - Yes, there are. But I've heard about too much about Germany. "but you really outdo everybody else by far." - So, now you're calling me stupid? "Why do you think black people are being killed in Germany? Why do you have this absurd idea?" - Because Germans don't like black people.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina" Well the odds of me being born in German would be really low, unless I was white. And obviously if I was German I wouldn't call myself racist. No racist does that. So, it seems like you think I'm racist...“ What skin color you have is just as much a coincidence as your country of origin 🤷‍♂️ Yeah, I honestly think you're a racist. You think I'm a racist, too. The only difference between me and you is this: You call me a racist although I've given you no reason to think that. I have never been racist in any way, and I never will be, but still you insinuate that, just because of my country of origin, I have no influence on it. Just because you've heard that Germans are like that. I, on the other hand, think that you are a racist, but not because you are from Angola or because of any things that are coincidental and over which you have no influence, but because of what you write. That's the big difference. You can only call someone racist if they have done or said something that is racist. Racist is not 100% the right word to describe what you are, because you don't have anything against skin colour in general. At least you haven't said it that way yet. So it could be that you have nothing against white Americans for example, but only against white Germans. So you are not necessarily a racist, but you are as stupid as one. Instead of skin colour, you judge someone by their country of origin. It's basically the same as what racists do. "There are evil people in every country, right?" - Yes, there are. But I've heard about too much about Germany. " Who told you anything? Not everything you are told is true honey. It could be that you were lied to. 🤷‍♂️

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina "but you really outdo everybody else by far." - So, now you're calling me stupid? Yes, and I'll tell you why: you do exactly the same thing a racist does. You don't judge a person individually, but on the basis of something that the person can't influence and that say absolutely nothing about his character. It is very important for you to understand that you have to make the effort and judge each person individually by his words and deeds! People are different!! In Angola, you must have met people in the course of your life who are completely different. I bet you know people you like and people you don't like at all. So you see that people are very different. For the most part, they are certainly good people, but if you are honest, it is impossible to make a statement about the character of the people from Angola that applies to each one. The people are too different. It is the same in every other country. There are people like that and people like that. The people are very different. Also in Germany. But the absolute majority is not racist. "Why do you think black people are being killed in Germany? Why do you have this absurd idea? - Because Germans don't like black people.“ Why do you think such nonsense? There was a black boy in my school class. The rest of us were white. This boy was liked by everyone. It doesn't matter what color or country of origin anybody is. Only character is important!!!

[menina]

Do you want an answer from the stupid one? Or there's no point because I'm racist and stupid?

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina Let's not forget that it was you who first insulted me as a racist. If you hadn't started it, I wouldn't have called you that either. But in my opinion, we can skip the childish part and move on without insulting.

[menina]

But you were the one who called me stupid.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina Exactly, right after you called me a racist.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina I'm not here to have an argument right now. I just wanted to show you my view of things, and I hope that you can perhaps understand and no longer think that all Germans are racist. If thats still your opinion then whatever

[menina]

I don't want to have an argument either. I was just being honest and I had no idea that you were German. I apologize if I offended you.

[Tonytoutouni123]

@menina No problem. I also apologize. I hope very much that I could change your impression a bit and that you no longer think that all germans are racists, even if you heard that. There are definitely some racists in my country. But the people are very different. Me and none of my friends and none of my family members are racists. I like black people as much as I like white people. And I hate all racists as much as you do!

[menina]

No problem. :) I have a good impression of you. And if you're saying that you're not racist, nor your family nor your friends, then I believe you.

[Tonytoutouni123]

😊😊

[menina]

:) :)

[I_make_me_anxious]

None of them

[Tonytoutouni123]

Then who is your type?

[Tonytoutouni123]

@i_make_me_anxious Can you think of an example of a man who is your type?

[I_make_me_anxious]

I’m more attracted to tall black guys that don’t have criminal records (and no it’s not cause of their dicks so don’t even ask)

[Tonytoutouni123]

@i_make_me_anxious Hahaha I wouldn't have asked that anyway.

[311WasAnInsideJam]

Stop inviting me to your questions

[Tonytoutouni123]

I invited you to three questions 🤷‍♂️. If you don’t like them, instead of posting this under this question, you could have written it to me in private or just blocked me because your comment doesn't interest the other people here and doesn't fit the subject.

[311WasAnInsideJam]

I'm just making a request here. I don't DM people and I don't block people.