Did you know there are trans people who want to go back to being straight?

[ManOnFire]

Apparently this is called trans regret. A video about it showed up in my YouTube feed like a week ago and I watched it. There are trans folks who years later regret getting a sex change, and this one 'lady' in the video was saying that trying to turn back into a man would just not be the same and that the new penis wouldn't even feel as good as the real thing.

There were other videos on this subject, I had no idea it was that real.

[DaveJord]

I didn't know a person that did then wanted to come back, but I don't doubt it. See the way its being promoted these days, they sell it to young people like its going to solve all their problems. And honest it won't, it will just create all new problems for you, and once transitioned its not like you will ever be able to go back to who or what you really were before, as nature intended. Even if nature intended you be a boy trapped in a girls body, that's what nature intended for you... so love your self as nature intended.

So I may be a victim of my generation here. And sure young can say I am arcane in my beliefs, but simple facts are this was a none issue throughout the millennia of the human race. I mean up until about what 10 or 20 years ago if you were born with a penis then your a boy... no questions asked, nothing you can do about it, so get over it and move on with your life.

So again, in my generation I was raised to believe that I should love who I was born to be penis and all... and that believe that we should love ourselves for who we are was reinforced across all levels of society. But know days if you don't love yourself, that's cool just resort to scientific manipulation and medical mutilation of your own body. That is what these LGBTQ types will tell you, that it is 100% natural and okay. When in truth its not 100% natural, because if it was humans could change their own sex within a state nature without medicine or doctors. So its absolutely not natural, when is 100% dependent on nonenatural processes and medications.

So as I have often said, we can not discount the possibility of mental disorders... and I have always promoted the concept that if you want to transition there should be some legally mandated counseling to go along with it... these people have to be educated that hacking off your penis will not solve your problems by itself... in reality it could cause you or create a whole new set of issues for you. And if you were not in the right mental state to love yourself prior to transition then you might really have greater mental state or emotional state issues after.

Now abortion is not legally protected anymore as of last week, but when it was women had to have mandatory counseling before doing something that could not be undone. I think transitioning should be the same way... I am strongly against making something illegal when it means limiting free people to make choices for themselves. So I would never say it should be illegal.

But personally trans gender and transitioning is an medical abomination to me. And there will always be people out there like me, who will never accept you for being what you're not. Nor should you ever expect us to, because if you were born the way you were in the wrong body, then I was born the way I am in the right body and there ain't shit none of us can do about that and I ain't buying the bullshit. I was born heterosexual and I ain't going to change the way I think or feel, I was just born that way... can't help it or prevent it.

So don't transition and think everything will be better, and all your problems will go away. Just because you can change your body, doesn't mean the rest of world will change for you... and after transition you may find yourself in the same world you were born into, but now in a body not equipped to deal with it as nature intended.

[ManOnFire]

"When in truth its not 100% natural, because if it was humans could change their own sex within a state nature without medicine or doctors." - This says everything.

[DaveJord]

👍 I replied to enough of your posts to know you'd like that. Straight truth, I try to keep it real.

[ManOnFire]

A lot of good points in your whole view.

[genericname85]

well... those people who suffer from gender dysphoria don't have it easy. most of them end up suiciding and the suicide rates in those that did transition is even higher than in those that didn't.

i think it is a terrible and damaging act of our society to "normalize" this sort of morbidity. i am by no means making a negative value judgement or promoting hate against those people. we do have to understand what it's about and see things as they are instead of being told "you don't know shit, cause you're not trans" or nonsense like that.

it's a disease. there's no cure (as of now). there's only ways to deal with it and instead of letting missguided morons tell us what to do, we should have an open and scientific discussion on hostructure and regulate society in such a way that society as a whole is not effected negatively while still allowing to compensate for those peoples needs up to a degree.

my unpopular opinion is: physically altering the body of a person with gender dysphoria by surgery did not have a beneficial long term effect on anyones life. you're free to show me the evidence to proof me wrong. but that is my opinion on this as of now.

it is not possible to become the other gender. and in my opinion it's best to try and come to terms with this instead of deluding yourself into thinking that you are the other gender.

[Floopa_mouse]

https:// whatweknow. inequality. cornell. edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ "We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings. We found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm. As an added resource, we separately include 17 additional studies that consist of literature reviews and practitioner guidelines." The evidence is extremely overwhelming. Being transgender is a mental illness characterized by gender dysphoria and the only cure is in fact, to transition.

[genericname85]

@Floopa_mouse i looked at the meta study design and i have to critique what you just concluded from glossing over the overview. look at the meta study design and the definitions. study design: Participants: Adults who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, who have transitioned gender, or who self-identify as transgender Interventions: Any medical service that affirms the individual’s self-identified gender identity; a relevant medical service was any service, treatment, or procedure indicated for the treatment of gender dysphoria in the accepted expert Standards of Care for the Health of Transsexual, Transgender, and Gender-Nonconforming Individuals maintained by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (version 7, 2011) from the study design it is obvious that they just threw everyone into one big pot. those that "transitioned" in this context can mean anything from: "they went to therapy and just mentally adapted the other genders identity" to "full on gender reassignment surgery. considering they threw all those people who "just" got psychological caunseling into the same pot, it's not surprising that they find improvements in mental health. so considering that "The evidence is extremely overwhelming. Being transgender is a mental illness characterized by gender dysphoria and the only cure is in fact, to transition." is right and i agree. but this statement does not separate gender full on reassignment surgery from mental identity transition. we only had reliable gender reassignment surgery that actually makes the genital look and feel somewhat comparable since 1999 so i highly doubt that there's any robust cohort studies looking at long term quality of life outcomes. when it comes to the surgery, we simoply do not have "overwhelming" evidence for it's benefits.

[genericname85]

a big issue is really the long term regular survey of those with the surgery. cause it is not rare that after any anticipated life changing event the life satisfaction goes up. we know this from family sociology. young families will have way more life satisfaction when they get a child. but over the course of their life, that satisfaction actually drops to beneath the levels of people that do not have children. the main difference is: we have a huge pool of data for the research of families. not so much with gender reassignment surgery, cause that's a quite rare thing to begin with.

[DaveJord]

@genericname85I 💯 support this.

[DaveJord]

@Floopa_mouse Your 💯 correct... I know medical professionals who more or less treat it as a mental "wellness" issue... "wellness" because they don't like to use word illness due to the negative stereotypes. Theses people do need wellness assistance, but medically and scientifically... you can alter your body, but you are what nature says you are. @genericname85 Is correct, the assumption that the quality of life for transgenders post transition is vastly improved is a bad one, which requires more comprehensive study. Because the challenges ones faces pre and post transition are completely different. Simply put, one does not cut off there own penius and reattach it to look like a vagina and have all their issues go away... they just develop into different types of issues. They were not happy with who they were before transition, became fixated on transition, and now after transition still have to deal with being who they still really are. With or without their penius, they still are a women in man's body... what are true mental and emotional effects of that? Not much study is out there on that, or it's mostly has not been made apart of social context or dialog. We want to pretend we are doing right by them, but are we truly?

[genericname85]

@DaveJord no we are most definitely not doing the right thing. but the wrong thing (gender transitioning tratment from hormones over psychopharmaka to full on surgery are a VERY profitable buisness which is probably the sole reason why it's even done. because there's litterally only studies that show that the long term wellbeing effects of those having the surgery are worse than those who didn't. i mean it's only logical. we don't help annorexics confirm their false body perception supporting them losing weight till they look like a concentration camp survivor... we don't positively reinforce any sort of body dysmorphia but rather help people mentally deal with it. why is it that we don't do the same with gender dysphoria? well. cause you can sell hormones to these people. it's a predatrorial health industry profiting from the sick and keeping them sick so they can continue to profit. that seems to be what it is.

[DaveJord]

@genericname85 I think you are not realizing that I agree with you.

[genericname85]

@DaveJord i do :D i was not negating or denying what you said. i was just extending it. there are studies out there and these studies seem to find that the surgery actually has quite a negative impact with participants having crazy high suicide rates. and when some scientists want to "show" that the surgery is "good", they just do this bullshit that i pointed out in that study which was provided by @Floopa_mouse. i just wanted to emphasize that it's not enough to just quote a studies headline to make your opinion. it's important to critically read and understand. because if you don't do that, then science has no value.

[Screenwriter]

You're talking about a tiny percentage of a tiny percentage of people.

This is what I expect happened. This person actually had OTHER issues and used the transitioning to mask the real cause of their life dissatisfaction. Also, perhaps they didn't get good therapy. You're supposed to go to intensive therapy for two solid years: before you start dressing and living as the other sex: meaning at least once a week.

This is a BIG and EXPENSIVE commitment, but you're changing everything about your life! It is worth it to do this and to be HONEST and probing about your reasons FOR doing so. However, humans are HUMAN and often aren't honest about their motivations. They can't see the forest for the trees.

In the case of the very few trans people who regret transitioning and have gone through extensive surgery, this is very sad. But, granted this is few people and as time goes on, we hope it will be fewer and fewer.

On the other hand, there has been a push for people to transition earlier and to have puberty blockers... These are options that a very young child would be deciding and people change from age 10 to 20 and 30.

I would exercise great caution on transitioning, weigh therapy heavily and recommend that no one PERMANENTLY physically transition before age 21-25.

Living as the opposite sex for 2 years after the initial two years of therapy would be part of the caution to use. So, say an 18 year old, age of majority, wanted to transition. He would do therapy until age 20, at the end of that therapy, hormone therapy would start and living as the other gender would also.

Hormone therapy is reversible. So is living as another gender than your biological birth gender. After two years of hormone therapy and living as a woman or man, as the case may be, a young adult would have a good idea of what was involved. Only after four years of this hard emotional and physical work should anyone consider removing or altering sexual organs, BECAUSE THIS IS PERMANENT and no one should have regrets after all the work that was required to get to that point...

I have misgivings about puberty blockers. There is little information on the safety of these medications for children. If a child wishes to cross dress and assume a different name, that's fine, but the child needs therapy with a psychologist who specializes in transgender choice.

The bottom line is, there is no rush when transitioning. It should be a cool, calm choice achieved after longterm therapy and serious thought.

[ManOnFire]

"However, humans are HUMAN and often aren't honest about their motivations." - Facts.

[Anonymous]

Ya it’s very real and sad, this is an unpopular opinion but I believe we are meant to have the bodies we are born with, yes some people do genuinely enjoy being the opposite sex after a transition but you must really just not identify with being the gender you are but take years to make sure that it isn’t a fleeting feeling or something you are glamorizing. Just like any other surgery everyone Should have the right to do it but it takes years and a deep understanding of the risks to be able to follow through knowing you won’t have regret, personally I feel it’s better to accept yourself as you are first then think of it in terms of is it an improvement you need to feel happy overall.

[slatyb]

Meant to? That implies that we are a result of conscious design for some purpose.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Did you know that trans talks about gender, and not sexuality? Lol. 🤡

[RolandCuthbert]

haha!!!

[Daniela1982]

But gender IS what the sex of a person is. Anyone can call themself whatever they want to, but it does not change the fact that you are either born male or female, and nothing in between. Next people will be wanting to call a hamburger a veggie burger, which it will never be, no matter what you wish or think.

[ManOnFire]

@Daniela1982 Same thought.

[lofii]

What's it like being mentally ill?

[RolandCuthbert]

@Daniela1982 And what difference does that make? We talked about this when I created a take called, "What are masculine traits"? If being masculine is just about my penis, then it is a joke.

I don't want to be forced to accept transwomen as men. Because they don't act like, the don't embody being a masculine, they don't value manliness. . .

So what good does it do to try to make them be something they do not wish to be. If women decide to reject them, that's on women. Maybe they become a different category. But stop pretending they are something they are not.

This take was about defining manhood.

What Are Masculine Traits? ↗

[BillyBalls]

If gender and sexuality are two different things, why do trans people need to modify their bodies.

[ManOnFire]

@BillyBalls Also good point

[Smoke-n-Growls]

Omfg people. Gender =/= sex. They CAN be related, but not necessarily. The human experience is really fucking weird and not at all uniform.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@lofii you should know.

[StormMistress]

@BillyBalls Simple. They want to best replicate the sex their gender aligns with. Ie A transman’ gender is male so he will seek to transition his feminine body to better reflect a man’s one. And vise versa.

[Mac-One]

@StormMistress It is much easier for a "born female" person to live and be accepted as a guy than it is for a "born male" person to live and be accepted as a woman; even without any physical bodily changes.

[WindAtMyBack]

The only post-op tranny I know did have regrets. I knew her before and after the operation. About a year after the operation she started regretting it. It didn't have the effect she thought it would have. She blamed a lot of things on her gender. But her problems weren't her gender, so changing didn't solve her problems. She was still who she was before but with different parts. Nothing changed but her anatomy, and it's not even possible to completely change that.

[Emiliamazing]

So, regardless of how you look at individuals who opt to make the transition, it is a large decision with a lot at stake. Like any major decisions, there will be those who wish they hadn’t made the choice. This happens every day to all of us, in a variety of situations. It’s not surprising to me that this happens. Think about how many people get divorced or have other life-changing circumstances occur.

[Daniela1982]

Thats why transitioning shouldn't be allowed until the age of 21.

[ManOnFire]

Good point.

[DaveJord]

Age 21 and professional counseling should be part of the process to ensure they really understand the serious long term consequences of the what they about to do.

[Daniela1982]

@DaveJord That is something that is usually overlooked but I agree with you. It should be mandatory.

[melaniecutie9]

21? Are you transgender?

[DaveJord]

@melaniecutie9 Nah, sorry I am NOT! I know a few medical professionals that "treat" or provide medical services to transgender community, and these medical professionals make out very well financially providing essential medical services to trans genders. But me personally, I am not hip to this trans gender thing. I know people get passionate about it, but I am 100% heterosexual and very confident and secure about it and myself.

[Lliam]

I've heard that some who "transition" realize that they didn't achieve their goal of being the opposite sex. They didn't get what they were promised. A trans-man is no longer a man, but neither is he a woman.

After full medical transition, they gradually come to the realization that it was merely cosmetic and that destroying their genitals had been much worse than pointless.

I think people should accept the way they are born. It's only people with privileged attitudes who think they can have whatever they want.

This recent use of pharmaceuticals and plastic surgery should be halted. As far as I'm concerned, it goes against the Hippocratic Oath. It's immoral but VERY lucrative.

[LittleSally]

Yes, of course. This puts the entire movement in question for me.

[lilyanony1]

Yes I've heard of it.
Yes I'm aware of the statistical damage.
In all honesty I think it's important for people to mind their business on this subject.
These things can seriously mess up your career if you voice your opinion too loud.

[ManOnFire]

You would need to have evidence that the post is actually slandering trans people and even using harsh terms in it.

[lilyanony1]

You'll be surprised... Just posting it you're effectively asking of a contraversial opinion. I hate how modern society has become!

[ManOnFire]

Same. That you can’t ask a question without groups wanting to "cancel" you. It's just wickedness.

[lilyanony1]

21st century doom!

[Sour-rose]

Yup. I did. I know of a... trans woman who was like in her 40s and regretted that surgery. So probably why I'm rethinking of becoming a man... Don't know if it's all cracked up to be.

[DaveJord]

You should love yourself the way you are. I hope you find peace of mind and happiness.

[Mac-One]

@sour-rose As a "FTM" person you have a real advantage over an "MTF" person. You can easily pass and be accepted as a man without any genital or other bodily transformations as long as your breasts are not too large. The lack of a penis is not a noticeable or disqualifying feature in any circumstances.

[Mac-One]

@sour-rose Also, the lack of noticeable body and facial hair are not disqualifying features for being male.

[LovingLoverReturned]

She knows...
And I know she knows

https://youtube.com/shorts/6zwI3UVwQvY?feature=share

[LovingLoverReturned]

I was Talking in 3rd person 😆 .. but only to quote a song.

[ManOnFire]

Lmfao.

[LovingLoverReturned]

@AngelaStephens blocked.

[LovingLoverReturned]

Do you know the song?

[ManOnFire]

I do not, no.

[Artemio_the_Grateful]

Whats your point?

[StormMistress]

Um trans isn’t a sexuality…

[goodgirlsteven]

thank you I have been trying to explain that

[StormMistress]

@goodgirlsteven lol I know like most people who simply look up the difference between sex and gender will get that very quickly.

[Faith18letsgo]

I think the trans community is to medicalized. Use the pronouns people tell you to use. Let them wear the clothes they want. Sleep with the people they want. No question. But permanently alter their body for gender norms? I’d give it a long hard think.

[BillyBalls]

You are right in saying people can live the way they want. However. the trans nonsense is pushed on young kids who can't process the concept of gender at their age.

[DaveJord]

@BillyBalls Your wrong they actually can, which is why they shouldn't be schools trying to get to these kids before the reach puberty and start processing it for themsleves... they need to indoctrinate the young.

[Faith18letsgo]

BillyBalls I think most young kids are right on the money about their gender and also should be allowed to explore different pronouns and sorts of expression.

[Berethor]

Yet another proof that it's madness.

[Bratsondanielle]

The whole lgtqbcdrfg2k+ idiocy has gone way way WAY TOO FAR

[Cassie88]

Yes, I knew about this.

[Tamera952]

Yea, big whoop — it’s called Detransitioning — & your question has an error in it — you said going back to ‘straight’ — this implies that they’re unsure or questioning their sexuality, when transgendered people are in fact trying to figure out their gender.

[RolandCuthbert]

Er. . . yeah.

?

[Smashingdoozy]

Go back to being straight? Sir transgender isn't a sexuality. Detransitioning is more common in the early stages, before SRS. It's estimated that less than 1% to 8% of people detransition. So a pretty low number.

This is why it's important that people seek therapy and go through all the motions to make sure that this is exactly what they want and need.

[Agagagagaga]

Seek therapy? Why would you call people mentally ill?

[Smashingdoozy]

@Agagagagaga perhaps you are unclear of the process in which a person has to go through in order to start the process of medically transitioning?

[Agagagagaga]

I’m familiar with it but I don’t know why you’re saying they are mentally ill.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Agagagagaga where did I say that?

[Agagagagaga]

“This is why it's important that people seek therapy and go through all the motions to make sure that this is exactly what they want and need.”

[Smashingdoozy]

@Agagagagaga so you don't know the process of starting medical transition...

[Agagagagaga]

It’d be wonderful if you could elaborate on the nature of the therapy you alluded to, since you say that people need to “be sure that this is exactly what they want and need” with their own personal identity.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Agagagagaga the process of getting to a medical transition usually requires you to talk to a psychologist or other mental health expert for a mental health evaluation. They confirm you have gender dysphoria and guage your understanding of the process and what's involved. What you want to do etc. Most people have 2-3 visits before being allowed to start hormones. Most never go back which is where I think a lot go wrong. Check ups happen regularly to make sure their hormones are at a safe level but mental health check ups are not required which I think they should be as it is a rough process and can be quite lonely at times. I do understand why they aren't, our country sucks with healthcare in general let alone affordable access to mental health care. But actively seeking therapy or even a longer time in therapy before getting hormone therapy could solve some of the issues with detransitioning.

[BillyBalls]

If transgender is not about sexuality, why do many Trans people have the need to physically alter their bodies?

[Smashingdoozy]

@BillyBalls because their bodies represent their gender. Sexuality is just who you're attracted to. That doesn't change...

[DaveJord]

@smashingdoozy I agree they don't put enough emphasis on mental health aspects of the issue, and discount other treatments before wanting to rush into treatments. I know of 16 year old kids, who have read everything there is to read on the internet about transitioning, and assume their experts because they heard all the arguments and so they know what to say and how to get around the psychologically. And of course being teenagers they think they got everything figured out, but lack perspective and can't honestly grasp the depth and true consequences of what they are doing. Because from a very young age they have been indoctrinated into this believe system, for some even before puberty. So honestly we as adults should be careful about how we talk because being trans gender is not all unicorns and rainbows. Its not about all the people you see on TV in the streets during pride month waving flags, smiling and jumping around, like its a party. Its really tough and hard thing that hurts a lot of other people who truly care about them, and love them for who they were born to be in the body nature gave them... even if they don't like it, its what nature intended.

[Smashingdoozy]

@DaveJord "Its really tough and hard thing that hurts a lot of other people who truly care about them, and love them for who they were born to be in the body nature gave them... even if they don't like it, its what nature intended." you can cut that part out and the indoctrination. Don't act like other people are victims from someone else transitioning. That's ridiculous.

[slatyb]

It’s no surprise that people sometimes have regrets. Katy Herzog wrote an article about this and got a lot of hate.

https://www.thestranger.com/features/2017/06/28/25252342/the-detransitioners-they-were-transgender-until-they-werent

I have no patience for people who want to cancel facts they don’t like. I see no difference between the conservatives who want to prevent discussion of ugly historical truths, and the far left wanting to stifle any discussion that suggests that the world is more complicated their latest slogan. .

[DaveJord]

Hell yeah, damn dems pandering to LGBTQ will cost the because this shit is getting insane

[Tamera952]

@DaveJord “pandering to lgbt” …. huh?

[DaveJord]

@Tamera952 Yup

[slatyb]

@DaveJord Pandering to LGBTQ? How exactly? Nothing I wrote should have given you the idea that I would support that statement.

[DaveJord]

That's cool... you don't have to support it. You said; "I have no patience for people who want to cancel facts they don’t like. I see no difference between the conservatives who want to prevent discussion of ugly historical truths, and the far left wanting to stifle any discussion that suggests that the world is more complicated their latest slogan." And my comment suggests that I have even less patience for those who cancel facts, or pander to gain votes... or promote things for political gain. I mean I self identify as a millionaire, but nobody is making it easier for me to live a millionaire life style I can't afford. Now if you do or don't support that then that's your right... but doesn't change anything for me. This trans gender is something to me that has become more complicated that it is, because simple scientific facts are being over looked or canceled out. Like born with a penis makes you man... you can lie to yourself and the world, but you are still what you were born to be. A man who wants to be a women, even though you know your biologically a man and science can only allow you to take the delusion so far, but simple facts are what they are. So quite trying push it as part of a political agenda.

[Sevenpointfive]

a trans person is trans for a reason. that's gender identity.

"going back to being straight", well that was a choice that was made by that person to experiment. sexual preference is not identity. it's easy to confuse the two but they are mutually exclusive, thus the need to reverse