Why do some people believe they are still straight even if they get attracted to trans or have some thought of experimenting with the same gender?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"I'm a guy and i tried it with another guy but i'm straight" "I'm straight but my" girlfriend" is trans.

Is the word "straight" becoming diverse? I thought it was "straight"forward.

[OneManOnly01]

They are not women. They don't even look like women. Being attracted to someone knowing that they are a trans 'woman' is gay

[Dchrls78104]

It's the art of deceiving oneself with false reasoning.

[CheeseMonster]

If you are attracted to women, and someone looks, acts, and thinks like a woman, then... why wouldn't you be attracted to them?

If you are attracted to women, but decide to try something with a man anyway... that doesn't change what you're attracted to. It's kinda weird to do stuff with people you're not attracted to in my opinion, but I'm not gonna stop you.

Why do you care anyway?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It has anything to do with having thoughts and straight people know they are straight and shouldn't have the thoughts of trying it with another guy. And for your information most of the time when straight people find out theyre transgender, all that attraction will disappear. What i'm still saying is that those people who contradicts themselves are just not straight. If you ask me why i care then why do you even care about my question?

[CheeseMonster]

You asked. I'm on this site to answer people's questions. Do you know you don't have to act exactly according to your attraction? I don't like green beans. I could eat them anyway. Maybe as a challenge, or not to be rude, or if they were good for me. Any number of reasons. Now, sexual activities are different from eating food. And I don't think there are any very good reasons to act against your attraction in that area. But still, you could do it. Having sex with a person does not make you sexually attracted to them. Hopefully, being sexually attracted to someone is what led to you having sex with them. But if a person says that's not the case, then I find it's easiest (and makes the most sense) to believe them. And about trans people, it doesn't matter how many straight people are attracted to them. I'm sure a lot of straight men aren't attracted to women with horribly disfiguring scars either. That doesn't make a man not straight if he does find such a woman attractive. I'm sure a lot of straight men are attracted to women with long hair. That doesn't make a man not straight if he does not find such a woman attractive. Does that make sense to you? Or did I not explain it well?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then this site is for asking questions and im here asking questions because I care about ideologies getting ruined by delusional folks. No have no reason to make thoughts about green beans unless you're trying to like green beans even if you don't. You may also be doing it if the food is served with it because you don't wanna waste food. However it's different from saying "i don't wanna waste virgin males" because you don't need sex to survive but you need food. Anyone can "do it" even if they don't want to but my question clearly said "have some THOUGHTS of experimenting with the same gender" I even gave an example in the descriptions saying "I'm straight but my "girlfriend" is trans." That would mean they know they're trans but still attracted to them anyways. So it's like they knew "she" was once a man. Even if that woman is ugly to that straight man, that woman is still a woman to that straight man. The thing is that there are just many competitions in this world because of how populated we are now with many pop cultures going on. Going back in cavemen time, all women were ugly and they are women. Not trans.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

ugly by todays standards i mean. But still capable with men and populated anyways.

[CheeseMonster]

Clearly if they're still with them knowing they're a trans woman, they still see them as a woman. No problem. Clearly if you do something, you have a thought about doing it. I don't see how that makes any difference at all.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Seeing a rainbow mashed potatoes will make you think it's ice cream and you'd eat it because you think it's ice cream but it turns out to be not what you expected so that's the problem. In your mind, you're thinking of ice cream just like a straight man would think it's a woman not another man in his thoughts. But knowing it's a guy and having him in his thoughts wouldn't make him straight.

[CheeseMonster]

Knowing they *were* a man. And no, that wouldn't change it. He's not dating them 5 years ago. He's dating them now, when they're a trans woman. Again, sex is not exactly the same as eating. People are not exactly the same as food. But to put it that way, men and women are made of almost entirely the same raw materials. And if a person looks/acts/etc like a woman... why does it matter that a couple "ingredients" are different? If they "taste" like a woman, then a man who likes their "taste" likes women. It makes no sense to say that a man likes potatoes because he likes what looks and feels and tastes like ice cream, but he knows used to be a potato. He clearly likes it because it is like ice cream. So, he likes ice cream.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Knowing about it and he's completely cool with it than that something else other than being straight. But you did compare it to food in the first place. It's also the same as running on to ice but didn't know it's fragile and water is underneath. You were not expecting it that's why you do it but if you knew from the start you wouldn't do it. But if you really say it is different from food then why are you using "ingredients"? You know some people would stop eating something if they knew it was something they didn't like only a taste like something else. Because they were never meant to be compatible with it. You can never change anyone's preferences and sexuality and if you say that doesn't make any sense then you cannot see how it doesn't make any sense because it's all subjective and maybe you should speak for yourself because most straight people think the way i do. Which is why in surveys, there are a lot of them who will never date transgenders. Putting a colored mashed potatoes in a cone can trick someone into thinking its ice cream. The point is ice cream is what's in their minds not potato. Just like saying when mean is what's on their mind not a trans man, but unless they find out it would change a lot how that person views that trans person. You weren't reading what i said properly. If it doesn't make any sense then it doesn't take a genius.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If you ask them why they can just say it to their sexuality as a straight answer. If you can't understand what its like then speak for yourself

[CheeseMonster]

Yes, i know. I'm saying food won't be a perfect example. It can still be a useful example. "You know some people would stop eating something if they knew it was something they didn't like only a taste like something else. Because they were never meant to be compatible with it." This is true for some people. But not for others. That's all I'm saying: it isn't an issue with sexuality, it's an issue with preference among people of the same sexuality. Maybe it would help to remember that it is the "woman" part of "trans woman" that is attractive to straight men. Naturally. It just comes down to whether they like the "trans" part, and that's not a sexuality issue. It's more likely a values or world view issue. Because "trans" is not *part of* your gender. It is how you *became* that gender. "Cis" means you were born that way naturally. "Trans" means it happened later and by your own effort. To stay with food, would you say a man who likes to eat ice cream because of how it tastes and how it was made, likes to eat ice cream *more truly* than a man who likes to eat it just because of how it tastes? Does the second man not truly like to eat ice cream because he cares less about the process of how it was made?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So therefore i need exactly what you did and useful as an example because it is still a useful example like what you said. However if you say it is useless because it is different then you're just contradicting yourself. Then yes if that's how straight people view transgenders and you agree with preferences and then that would make sense and you know a reason to most straight people is because they are not real women to them and majority of straight people would have that in mind. Unfortunately nobody likes a brutally straight honest answer that's why you won't get not answer to most people. Again it doesn't take a genius or read it again because if i have to say it i'm just going to copy paste it. The explanation is already right there.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also do you not understand what sexual preferences is? It has everything to do with a sexuality and sexual orientation. It is a preference because a straight man can do it with other man if they have no other choice or being forced to do it even if they don't want to but the thing is it's just not their preference.

[CheeseMonster]

Now I'm confused. Did my reply get deleted? Did you see it? I only initially said food wasn't a perfect example because a lot of food requires completely different ingredients, and all people have basically the same raw material with just a few differences. That's all. The way you used it was fine. I just didn't want it to get taken too literally. Of course sexual attraction has to do with sexuality. But not liking trans people has nothing to do with sexual attraction. You don't not like trans women because they are like women (because you like women). You just don't like them because you care about *how* their body became like a woman body. And that is not a sexuality issue. Sexuality is determined by what gender you are sexually attracted to, not by what kind of medical history you are sexually attracted to.

[CheeseMonster]

Preferences matter. But non-gender preferences don't matter to your sexuality. If I prefer black hair to blonde hair, that doesn't affect my sexuality at all.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I replied twice and i never deleted any of your replies. So therefore i follow your logic and if you say it now perfect example then neither is your example is perfect. Many people have their own criteria on what they consider things to be but this is the point of view of majority of people which makes it the default. You cannot compare genders to anything else because anyone can just say it is something unique. Actually a reason why people don't like today transgenders is because they don't believe they are not gender who they believed to be. For my case i'm not ashamed to admit that i don't like to date transgender women because i don't think they are women at all despite the transition happening that why there's so many straight people who degree that they are not real women to them. So the history does really matter the law of nature doesn't lie. If you believe that they are not women then ok that's just you but majority of people would beg to differ otherwise which is the default. You can't be considered straight to a lot of people. Unless we divide straight into two categories, straight and super straight which already happened but we all know it's just going to trigger a lot of transgenders. But you just like to complicate things and look for long words for different straight people. If you want to talk about hair, that has nothing to do with gender so it doesn't have anything to do with sexuality but transgenderism does. What's ironic is that you've giving your examples but when i do the same thing, you're just going to say it's not a perfect example to defend. It just makes you sound like a big hypocrite. But really if you say it is not a perfect example, then there is no perfect example if that's the case that would make gender unique to anything compared.

[CheeseMonster]

You're right, there is no perfect example. You used the example just fine. I never said you did it wrong. I never wanted to invalidate your examples. They work well. No issues with that. No problem with any of your examples. My problem is I don't understand why if I saw someone as a woman, and I was attracted to women, so I am attracted to them... why am I suddenly gay if I find out they were born a man? I'm not attracted to their body 5 or 10 years ago before I even met them. I'm attracted to them right now. And right now I think they're a woman. YOU may disagree that they're a woman—a majority of people may disagree that they're a woman—but it's MY thoughts that determine MY sexuality. And if I think they're a woman and therefore they're attractive, how does that make ME gay? How does that make *any* man who actually thinks that gay?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That's because you consider them as a woman but that's just you. If you say its perfectly fine to use example it's like this. Someone scientifically transformed urine into grape juice. I can say i love grape juice but knowing it was once a piss, i would stop drinking it even if it's clean and potable. I don't view it as a grape juice, i still view it as piss. I'm not saying transgenders are piss but i can say men are piss while women are grape juice because i just find men bullshit sexually. That may also be the case for a lot of people. And if for you if you don't really understand why it doesn't make sense to you, i can just simply say we don't have the same sexuality. You are just like saying "i don't understand why gays like other guys. Women are hot" yeah you'll never will because you're not gay. Just like you never will understand that point of view because you are not the kind of straight person we are.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

But really do we still have to separate straight into different categories when those who are only attracted to cis genders make up the majority? Because it only trigger a lot of those SJW as we make a new term for those majority. There's no need for it because that's the default. Unless you do want Super Straight to be a part of the LGBT community despite it being the majority while you're kind of "straight" isn't.

[CheeseMonster]

I'm not straight. Listen. You don't have to make a new sexuality based on whether you think a trans woman is a woman or not. Because whether *you think* someone is a woman or not doesn't change your sexuality. What is your sexuality is whether or not *you are attracted* to who *you think* is a woman. Just because one person think trans women are men, and another thinks they are women, doesn't mean the two have different sexualities. If the one is not attracted to who they think is a man, that's straight. If the other is attracted to who they think is a woman, that's also straight. You can have *your beliefs* on who is a man and who is a woman. And I can have mine. And neither of us will be attracted to transwomen, because you're straight and don't think they're women and I'm gay and do think they're women. That doesn't make you any "more" straight than it makes me "less" gay.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If that's the case then you don't have to decline the fact that people who are still attracted to transgenders can't be considered straight. Because like what i said, a main reason why most straight people wouldn't date transgenders is because they aren't the opposite gender to them because if they do it anyways, they wouldn't consider themselves straight. It actually means that way unless you just wanna make things long and complicated. You're a reason why super straight exist to make things simple. If you say we don't have to, you also don't have to be in denial about it. "That doesn't make you any "more" straight than it makes me "less" gay." <-- do you even have any idea that's also a part of your belief? I can simply say just because you believe in that doesn't make you any more correct. Majority of the population would beg to differ other wise which is AKA the default and we don't have to adjust for you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

In short, you tell us to adjust for them. Ok sure let's make super straight but then you're just gonna say we don't have to make that label. Kinda proves you can't just make up your mind

[CheeseMonster]

Holy shit. Straight= attracted to opposite sex. Yes? Straight man= attracted to women. Straight man who thinks trans women are men= attracted to women. That's WHY they are NOT attracted to trans women. Straight man who thinks trans women are women= ALSO attracted to women. That's ALSO WHY they ARE attracted to trans women. You can think trans women are men. That doesn't make you straight. I can think trans women are women. That doesn't make me straight. What makes you straight and me not is the fact that you are attracted to women, and I am not. That is ALL.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Swearing doesn't exactly prove you anything. If you have nothing else to prove but only to get butthurt anyways then you don't have to engage in an argument. Yes they are attracted to opposite sex but most straight people wouldn't consider trans women as women which why they're not even attracted to them in the first place no matter how many times they call themselves women. Anyone can be attracted to something what they thought it is but knowing the truth will just change anything. Anyone would like to cuddle with a teddy bear that seems innocent enough not knowing there is a bag of acid inside of it. You know what you just said over and over again doesn't make you more correct. What facts still stands is that most people will still agree with what i said. Most of the time the only reason why people just like to consider trans people as the gender who they believed to be is just to respect them and try not to get them offended but their sexual preferences begs to differ otherwise. You only want to consider them as straight because you believe they are the gender would they believed to be but that's not the case for most of us You know i can also say you can think transwomen are women but that doesn't also make you right. That doesn't mean tactic is over the argument and it's getting old and I've heard better.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That "doesn't mean" tactic

[CheeseMonster]

That was frustration. I'm not straight, so you're not offending me. I've been trying to say what I started saying in simpler or clearer ways, because you have not yet understood what I'm trying to say. I understand what you're saying—or I think I do. I will try and say back what you're saying to see if I got it right. But once I do understand what you're saying, can you try and say back what I've said to see if you understand it? You're right, at this point it's getting old and we're both just repeating ourself in different ways. Is this the jist of what you are saying: "Because the vast majority of straight people see trans women as men, it doesn't matter what the very small minority thinks, they are men. So, any man who is attracted to trans women is attracted to men, and that makes them not straight." Or have i misunderstood or missed something?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And lastly, you do say you are not straight so why are you speaking for straight people? Your group doesn't want straight people to speak for them but you're doing it. The fact that you don't understand why just proves you don't know any better. After all you're not straight it for the same reason i don't understand why gays like guys. But it's not like it actually matters. On the other hand you are making super straight a very big deal. You don't like the fact that people are trying to split it into two but at the same time, you like to confuse straight people as someone who also dates transgenders. What's funny is that you call it "pride" but you're making a big deal if we try to categorize those minority as if it's something to be ashamed of.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yep you did misunderstood. Showing your frustration in an argument just doesn't make things any better for you. Appealing to emotions is a logical fallacy

[CheeseMonster]

Hey, I've been out for less than 2 months, don't lump me in with everything that's been going on with the movement for decades. I'm not even part of the community. The reason I care about this isn't because it applies to straight people (it applies to ALL sexualities, following your logic). The reason I care is because you're trying to drag trans issues into sexuality issues, and they aren't the same thing. They never have been. There is enough confusion around *your own* sexuality when you're trans and people keep conflating sexuality with gender, and I would like to try and cut down any similar confusion around the sexuality of people who are attracted to trans people. It makes even less sense to mix up *their* sexuality over other people's gender.

[CheeseMonster]

What did I misunderstand?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You're making it sound like you do and you cannot blame anyone for mistaking you for it. Just like the fact that you care about it. Trans issues had anything to do with discrimination against france people but where's the discrimination part about speaking the truth? I never said they are bullshit but i just give a valid explanation why we never date them and you cannot force anyone to date them by just calling them discriminatory. You just proved what you're really misunderstood. If you ask me again that i can just copy paste my the last sentence.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It could be worse like if we actually execute trans and demonize them a lot but your main issue is when someone just dont considers them the gender who they believed to be? Talk about first world problems.

[CheeseMonster]

Did I say you had to think they're what they claim to be? Did I say anyone had to think that? No. That *still* has nothing to do with sexuality. You're the one saying straight men can't see trans women as women or else they aren't straight. Which *still* doesn't make sense.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If that's not the case and why do you care so much? You just really said it yourself. The reason you care is because you think i'm trying to drag trans issues into sexuality issues when what i'm doing is just giving your reasons why straight people don't really think they are the gender they believed to be. You have no point making accusations about me unless you just want me to think they are what they claim to be. Yes i'm the one who said that straight men can see transwomen as women otherwise they aren't straight which doesn't take a genius. I explained it over and over again only for you to get frustrated i'm just repeat what you said over and over again. But what fact still remains is that most straight people would agree without notion otherwise even if it doesn't make sense to you because you are not straight after all. You don't really have to care unless you want to decide what our sexuality should be which would make your sound hypocritical if you don't want your sexuality to be controlled by anyone.

[CheeseMonster]

I can't do this anymore. Maybe English isn't your 1st language or something. But clearly there's a block somewhere and we aren't going to understand each other no matter what either of us say. I have done research on trans people, and talked to those who don't and who do think they are who they claim to be. I have also done some research on sexuality, and talked to those who do and who don't include trans people in that discussion, and who do so in different ways. Maybe you should try doing some research on this topic, and look at a vatiety of sources yourself. I can't answer your question any better than I already have. But I'm sure people smarter than I am and better at writing could.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah you can just act yours anyone of having a bad grammar and attempt to dismiss anything why you don't really have to do that from the start. I'm also done some research and surveys about sexuality. What's happening in our society today is that people just getting so offended so easily that most people sugar coats in an interview. Many people had also talked about it and maybe you should also research that one. People who say "i won't date them because the it's not my preference" and most of the time it can be responded with "why?" And also how about you research on super straight to know what it truly is? If you cannot answer any of my question then you have no other points. You're not forced to aregue with me anyways and you know why i'm not complaining it's because i know how to debunk that agenda.

[CheeseMonster]

Just keep asking questions. Have a nice day.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you can also keep dodging everything and have a nice day. One more point, if they cannot give an actual reason why they don't date trans women, you can differentiate women and trans women and you will see it involves the opposite gender. And you can ask them why they don't date the same gender and you will know

[awkward_author]

Straight just means you're only sexually and/or romantically attracted to the opposite gender. Trans women are women, so he'd still be straight. Regarding experience with other men, some people experiment and realize it's not for them. If this is the case, and he's attracted to women, that would make him straight.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"Have some thought of experimenting" having some thoughts of experimenting is never in a straight person's instinct and straight people know they are straight. If they are having that thoughts then that would indicate they may be asexual

[awkward_author]

People who are asexual don't experience sexual attraction. Straight women experiment without being labeled as queer. Why can't men?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Trans women are not born women. They are still in fact biological male and straight people only get attracted to the opposite gender that is biologically born as that gender. That doesn't remove the fact that trans women were born male. Which is why most as in like 90% of straight people don't date transgenders

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I meant They maybe asexual who don't know about it because the opposite gender didn't work for them. And how do you know straight women actually expirement? You there spying at them? It goes both ways by the way

[awkward_author]

Trans women aren't cis women, but they're still women. Straight men can date them without being labeled as bisexual or gay. Granted, you can argue if she's pre-op, he might lean a bit toward being heteroflexible. However, if she's had bottom surgery, he's just straight.

[awkward_author]

I don't spy on women. I've just heard about it happening.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Only by how they label themselves they're women. But people who don't date them have their sexuality that can't lie to them. They call themselves women but but straight men even if they don't say it out loud aren't women to them. And the fact that most people are straight just makes that view the default.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You hearing it is just doesn't prove anything. It's an anecdote

[awkward_author]

If you want to believe that, it's cool. I don't care as long as you're not actively being anti-trans. However, I don't think anything constructive can happen if we continue speaking, so I hope you have a nice day.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Trying not to get anyone offended, you can't get straight answers why straight people don't date transgenders. If you want honesty, it's because they aren't the gender they believe to be for them like 100% of the time in their minds

[awkward_author]

I'm not getting into the science behind why trans people are valid because, quite frankly, you're not worth it. All I'm saying is as long as you're not negatively impacting other people, you can believe whatever you want. If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And as long as they aren't negatively delusional and entitled against those facts is also the question

[OneManOnly01]

@awkward_author Trans women are NOT women period. You're a moron if you think anyone can change into male/female whenever they want

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"you can believe in whatever you want" I just missed that part. Just like you can also believe earth is flat. It's more than just a belief but it's a delusion

[Twalli]

If the trans person has undergone full gender transformation, then they're a guy if they have a penis and a girl if they don't. Doesn't matter what they were.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That maybe your opinion but most straight people still wouldn't take them which is still saying something. Deep in their minds, they can't say it but they will never be the gender who they believe to be to most people.

[Twalli]

I just don't think I would care if she looks female and lacks a penis, as far as I am concerned is a female. This holds true even if she wants to transition into a guy. Granted if she wants to be with me she'd have to not undergo the transition, but that's just me. The penis is what determines it for me.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So many in polls saying they wouldn't date transgenders Would you date a transgender/transsexual person? ↗ Should straight men be shamed or forced into dating transgender women? ↗ More would say no but here's something with more views. More and more people get shamed for not wanting to date a transgender which is why "super straight" exist but many still gets triggered because they're not the "oppressed minority". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=191d2iCBfik If they're the majority then that would mean trans people are not the gender that they believe to be to most people which is the default. But if you say it's just you, then that's just you. Most of us begs to differ.

[Sabretooth]

gay men are not attracted to trans. I had a long debate with another like you until I advised him to go a sex game called ''WVM'' and have Shauna be trans and show interest in her dick... as you can see: Why do I get made fun of for dating a transwoman? Would you do the same? it was very productive. I address femboys, as well.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

No matter how much you try to convince me nor anyone, I'll never find dicks attractive even if its from a "girl" because dicks are dicks which makes him a dude for us straight people no matter how much they label themselves. Most straight people wouldn't

[Sabretooth]

me and the other 2 felt the same way.

[Sabretooth]

you're like Indoctrinator... difference being that you are aware. you didn't come here to another's perspective.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You know there's a reason why we have been wired the way we are and has nothing to do with brainwashing but common instinct. They can label themselves as much as they want but they can never be the gender they believed to be to most people in the world. Of course saying they are not real women or men or just going to often them that is why you don't get straight answers as to why straight people don't they transgenders. Because in the inside, they just don't consider them to be the opposite gender who they desire which is a part of their sexuality. Before you say i am an indoctrinator, why is that even the case for majority of people in the world? That's the evidence and one need to get brainwashed to see it

[Sabretooth]

that's another person I debated with.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It doesn't matter and i don't know any of those person you debated with. But what i said still stands.

[Sabretooth]

guy who was just like you. seems to me that yourself are attracted to them and you hate yourself for it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That is your assumption. You know how easy it is to make assumptions just like it so easy to assume you maybe on drugs that's why you can't think properly

[Sabretooth]

it's easier when you've learned to pick up on certain things. again, you didn't ask for any fresh perspective. you came here for validation. you getting all defensive is a tell.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just like assuming i am picking up on certain things. If you really think i am getting all defensive maybe it's because i have a point. You don't have nothing else to prove but make assumptions which makes you seem insecure on these facta

[Sabretooth]

and that's projection.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then i'm not being defensive but i'm also "projecting" it's also easy to make denials like you do

[Sabretooth]

it's not gonna get any better for you from here.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then neither do you because you have been proved a single thing just yet but instead you jump to that conclusion. What i said still stand and your assumption has no connection to it.

[Sabretooth]

I hope at some point that you can be be honest with yourself.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And i hope you stop doing drugs and actually think once in a while

[Sabretooth]

I hate drugs... caused me nothing but grief... I paid the price for my parents.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then i can also say, i'm not attracted to the same gender and sex biologically. I'm only attracted to cis genders. But you know it just backfired your logic. I can just accuse you of being defensive at this point just like what you did last time.

[Sabretooth]

again with the projection. just stop.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You don't even know how to finish what you started but there you are telling anyone to stop. You just proved how hypocritical you are.

[Sabretooth]

all you're doing is proven me right. at this point, no one would believe that you're not attracted to them. this is just clownish.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you're proving me right that you've been doing drugs that's why you can't think properly. That's why you jump to conclusions so soon.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yeah and "no one would" as if you know everybody. You just think you know anyone better than themselves. So following your logic it proves you're doing drugs and hallucinating.

[Sabretooth]

so defensive... not exactly the mark of security.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you've been defensive over something you did done against you. "You don't have nothing else to prove but make assumptions which makes you seem insecure on these facts"

[Sabretooth]

all you have is projection. at this point... you're only burying yourself. your accusations hold no weight... hardly worth even reading... I'm done here.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then all you have is just an assumptions and you're just burying yourself. You have no real reason to make assumptions unless you're just really insecure by those facts.

[Sabretooth]

just more projection. that's all you have.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then more assumptions are all you have

[Sabretooth]

a secure man would have no need for all this.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

A secure man wouldn't be so delusional and make presumptions of someone like what you do. A secure man knows when their logic gets backfired.

[Sabretooth]

a secure man doesn't need to spew bullshit. but this is pointless. all you're gonna do is project and defect. I'm done here.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Take your own advice. And see if you're really done or you're just too desperate to keep coming back now knowing how to eat your words. So yeah accuse me of projecting and deflecting when you've been "projecting" I'm attracted to them then accuse me of deflecting. Ok how about if I say you're on drugs who needs to stop just to be fair? Or you wanna continue being a big hypocrite?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also just saying you're done making you magically correct is not how things work on this world. Just for your information

[Sabretooth]

you're only further proving my point... it's not gonna get any better for you... but, I'm thinking you get off on being humiliated. you've lost. be a man, accept it, and move on.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you've further proven my point about how much your logic got backfired. Like how desperate you are right now, all you do now is say you win without any further elaboration like that's how it works. You just said you're done like a while ago in attempt to cower away but you're still back anyways. Do you not know what you're saying?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

So how about you go be a man and accept the fact your logic is backfired?

[Sabretooth]

it hasn't. wishing something so doesn't make it so... you've nothing to base your accusation on.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you wishing for your win doesn't make it so. You had nothing to based on your association on either so you tell me to accept your accusation about me and be a complete hypocrite?

[Sabretooth]

no. I could... but you'd only project. there's no point. goodbye.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then i could as well and you only project.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Just following your logic. I guess someone here doesn't know what "good bye" means. It's no brainer really. You need to have one to understand what it meant.

[Sabretooth]

goodbye, sad clown. I'm done done participating in this side show... I suspect that you'll do well on your own as ''The Man Who Talks To Himself''.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then leave and cower away. What are you waiting for. I'm not the one who's saying im done here. Other than backfiring your own logic, i still have more points to present instead of cowering away like you. If you like to say i'm ''The Man Who Talks To Himself'', why are you still talking here? If i'm talking to no one, then that means you're a no one lmao. I mean you said it I didn't.

[Anonymous]

They are in denial.