Good guys?

because lots of girls like guys that are jerks. and they're not the girls that you should want to be with. I makes no sense to me as to why girls like jerks. just stay the way you are and you'll find a girl that likes the kind person that you are and they won't treat you bad like the girls do that date jerks

I think good guys only finish last in relationships when younger people (teens to early twenties) are involved. Younger people are more about having a good time and getting laid and nothing too serious. A girl wants a good guy when she's closer to setteling down. She wants a guy who's the better match for her at that point.

I don't think that good guys are always finishing last. I think that many people notice the "good boys", but maybe these guys don't notice who sees them either. Perhaps the "good boy" is looking at the "bad girl" (or the loud overconfident girl). Just as the overconfident girl is the centre of attention, so is the "bad boy" (or the overconfident guy) who has all the attention of the girls. Many girls I bet "notice" you, you just don't notice them. They could be the "nice girls", the ones that stick to the shadows, or wait for you to do something. But if you give all the attention to the overconfident girls, and focus your mind on the "bad girl" you will never see what is plain as day, right in front of you. The "nice girl" that deperately wants your attention, but you want the "bad girl" It goes both ways. . . the loud overconfident, controlling people get all the attention, whereas the "nice" people are overlooked.

That's because every good girl wants a bad boy. Girls like it when guys take control, which is what good guys don't do.

I agree with Shlei totally. A lot of it is just people not being ready. It's not just girls going for "bad boys". I have this good friend who is a guy. He just wants SO badky to be loved. He really wants marriage and kids and a happy family. Ok granted he is 30, but he's wanted that the whole time I have known him. . . which is like 15 years, lol. Ok maybe back then he didn't want marriage and kids, but even then he really just wanted to be truly LOVED. He's one of those rare guys who repeatedly says he can't have sex unless he is in love. I mean he is truly a "good boy". And girls treat him terribly. They say they want a good guy but then they dump all over them when they have him. But as twisted as it sounds, he does the same damn thing! He goes for all the wrong women & totally misses the "good girls" out there.

I had another guy friend back in high school who was the same way. . . always a "nice guy" complaining about how girls only wanted "bad boys" but he was always after the bad girls himself. And the few times he found himself with a "good girl" the tables were suddenly turned and he was dumping all over her and acting like a jerk. . . even though it was so out of character for him! I think the bottom line in both cases was not being ready for something "real". On both sides of it. Because yeah the girls weren't REALLY looking to settle down with a nice guy like they said. but neither were the guys! When they found girls who appreciated them, they became the "bad" ones. Or in the case of my friend today, he looks in the wrong places and I think it's the same thing. . . he's not REALLY ready for some reason.

Also as shlei said, you can make that choice. You can have fewer relationships with substance, or you can date tons of people without substance. It's your choice ultimately. And when it's really right for both of you, you will find a good girl who appreciates you. . . what you do with it is up to you.

I also want to add that I do see what you're saying and think some if it must be societal somehow. It DRIVES ME NUTS because my husband is a very very "good guy" type but he is not conventionally "sexy". He is not unattractive, but not a head turner either. I'm supposedly pretty attractive & have some other good qualities, so for the past 10 years I have had to listen to countless people making comments like "what is she doing with HIM?!" I've listened to friends, coworkers, etc. who tell me constantly that I deserve "more". And it infuriates me! Because what matters most to me (there are lots of other things that make us a good match though too) is what a good guy he is, but for some reason. . . . most people don't see that or don't put enough stock in it. And personally I find that upsetting and sad.

Because most people our age (late teens to late 20's older than that even sometimes) are not really looking for a serious relationship. They are looking for fun. Don't give up hope though. There are people out there that want a nice, balanced and amazing relationship. Relationships take time and effort. Human nature in general has a hard time with patience. Good guys may finish last in some cases but it is they who find deeper connections. The question is, would you rather have a lot of frivolous relationships or would you rather have fewer relationships that are more meaningful and fulfilling?

Simple. A lot of nice guys don't have a backbone; women love to run over them. Your question has been asked many times in the forum. Plenty of reasons as to why this happens, but reality is, women do want a confident, masculine type of guy. They are inherently attracted to that. Nice guys on the other hand, let themselves be used all over and well, women don't find that attractive; there is also the argument that women want to change guys. In other words, they think they are out there to help the guy a better person. So they go for the bad guys thinking that they will change him. Heh. Anyway, my own experience tells me that indeed is because nice guys are too wimpy; and I don't mean it in a fighting sense, but in a personality sense. For example, nice guys are always there to help a girl out fi they need somethng. Even though is nice to do that, girls find that to be a bit clingy.anyway, a good guy needs to learn the tricks of the bad guys, and then is all good! :D

That phrase is wrong. Good guys don't finish last. They never see the finish line.

If you consider a chick that has been screwed by every bad boy in college a woman you want to "rescue" or marry, then you truly are nice because I could never do that.

Women have a privy sense of undeserved entitlement. Theyy feel they can have fun while they are young and just expect some dude in the future to accept them when they are old and worn to make them their wife. And why shouldn't they? Men buy into it. Literally. Engagement rings, lavish weddings, expensive vacations. And for what?

Remember. Marriage was created by low status males that were tired of kings and authority figures having harems of 100's of women and in turn causing the loser dudes to never have sex their entire life. Marriage "leveled" the playing field by forcing monogamy, but it doesn't stop women from sneaking off to f*** the real men in the world.

So good guys to me are just the beta males in the world that keep society in order and the cuckholds that help raise other men's children and ex wives.

I applaud the nice guys out there.

The correct phrase is "good guys finish last when dealing with a particular kind of girl who isn't mature enough to have a relationship."

Some women are unable to see a good thing in front of them. Those women usually see the light after much agony (and a few kids). There's another saying that is far more dreary: "The good die young." All of these saying are, unfortunately, true. If you're one of the good guys, you shouldn't really be bothered by any of these. Just continue enjoying your life, persuing your passions and the right girl will come along.