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Don't ask, don't tell?

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hdashnau (Age:25 to 29)     When: 6 months ago
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Lately, I've seen a couple of interesting movies challenging the idea of monogamy. The most recent was "Un baiser s'il vous plaît" (the title badly translated to Shall We Kiss).

My boyfriends ex used to say "If you are cheating on me I better not find out." At the same time, this stance is the most foolish and the most brilliant. At first it sounded like she was being silly and sending him a message that he had permission to do whatever he pleased. But there is so much more to it. When you hash out exactly what the ex meant, its a sort of "if a tree falls in the woods but no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" dilemma. Assuming she never found out -- ie she got the same amount of attention, she was not introduced to stds, her partner was always available when she needed, and if she had kids they were also not hurt, etc...Would it really make a difference if her partner were with another man/woman? She apparently had decided, it does not.

Yet even when we are provided for and all of our desires are met, there is still something in many of us that demands monogamy. Is it that we are ok with the don't ask, don't tell policy but we cannot trust our partner-- That we think eventually we will find out and/or (for those of you who have seen the movie) that it will lead to the consequences in "Un baiser s'il vous plaît"?


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nymphoman
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nymphoman      When: A month ago
Not really sure if this is a question or just you giving an opinion.
But here's my take anyway.

I would never say if you are cheating on me I better not find out because that is indeed an invitation or just really badly worded which could easily be taken advantage of.
Mine is more "if your going to cheat on me then I don't mean enough to you so please let me know right away so we aren't wasting anymore of each others time!"
No excuses then, if she would still go ahead and cheat on me then I hope I WILL find out to get shut of her ASAP!

Cheaters always get found out in the end, not many grandparents out there celebrating their 50th anniversary with skeletons in the closet.
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Question Asker Why does being cheated on make you feel you don't mean enough to her (again keeping in mind the stipulation that she treats you exactly the same as if she weren't cheating, no stds, has same amount of time, etc, etc)? Do you feel inadaquate if she has another? Is it just thinking about another guy in her is too much for you to deal with and she should respect that it's uncomfortable for you? Not attacking just curious exactly what it is that bugs us assuming we are treated the same - A month ago
Answerer I am surprised you can't really work this one outm Nevertheless.
It has nothing to do with (for arguments sake lets say you cheated on me) if you cheated on me and nothing changed with you personally and you regretted it and it was meaningless to you, at that time it means that guy was more important than me, anything we have and worth gambling away.
If you truly loved me you wouldn't cheat on me, it would be impossible,
Conscience would kick in like it or not.
You bi..... sorry got carried away. - A month ago
Question Asker "it means that guy was more important than me, anything we have and worth gambling away"

Why does it mean this? Why do you all of a sudden feel less important? Why does it have to be a gamble? At the fear of sounding repetitive, I'm looking for someone to own up to how it makes them feel. I'm trying to hash out how (assuming you are treated exactly the same by your companion as you were before and nothing is lacking) we are still not able to tolerate this behavior. - A month ago
Answerer You have clearly never felt true love for someone otherwise it would be obvious to you, sounds like you have issues dealing with morality, commitment and I suspect waiting for answers that justify something you have done and don't understand the damage you have caused.
A broken heart, that's all you need to know, there's a reason its called that, it sums up that it feels like your heart got torn in two and no amount of tears, sorry's and begging will ever fix that.
A true love couldn't cheat. - A month ago

clevername
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clevername      When: 2 months ago
Well depends on your morals, and depends on your culture. There is no real answer.
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jincuj33
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jincuj33      When: 5 months ago
This is a very interesting idea. My ex-girlfriend must have used some kind of reverse psychology on me because I never wanted to cheat on her. Here is what she did: She told me I could have sex with other girls while we were still dating, but if we were engaged or married then it would be off the table. Of course, she knew me well enough as a person that I was unlikely to cheat on her in the first place, but that's besides the point. She psychologically freed me from the idea of monogamy while we were dating, and it was extremely gratifying. In return for this "gift," I wanted to respect her and show her I appreciated her by not cheating on her.

It might be worth noting that she had had sex with a couple guys before in past relationships, but she was my first. I think maybe she felt that if I had sex with a couple of girls while we were still dating, that I would be less likely to stray if we got married in the future, when more would be on the line since I had "gotten it out of my system." The only condition was that I wear a condom and I must tell her in detail about any sexual encounter.
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l-hedoniste
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l-hedoniste      When: 6 months ago
When I was younger, a much older girlfriend told me, "Frankly, I find monogamy neither necessary, nor realistic." Not only did she blow up my myths about monogamy, but she also taught me something about approach: get it out, tell it straight, and they'll deal. Or not.

That's my problem with the "don't ask, don't tell" approach. While certain things in a relationship can be fudged, whether or not a partner is monogamous isn't one of them. This isn't going along to get along; this is a basic lack of candor with oneself and one's partner. If the partner was okay with nonmonogamy, why the pretense?

If the ground rules of an affair is that you remain committed to the wife and family, and you bring nothing home your wife won't enjoy--a common enough arrangement, by the way--then you SAY THAT. Not only does it end the sneaking around, but paradoxially, it can make a relationship more sound; by resetting the boundaries of the relationship, you reaffirm that you still *have* a relationship.
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Question Asker What do you think about Simple-Simonettes comment "A discussion of our reactions are just assumptions - some of us may be able to deal more than we thought. It all depends" Is it possible some might say "I find monogamy neither necessary, nor realistic" but when a new partner comes along, they are not able to deal with it? In your case, were the specifics of what was ok hashed out? Did you discuss the result if one changed their stance on monogamy? Or if either developed strong feelings? - 6 months ago
Question Asker Reguarding "If the partner was okay with nonmonogamy, why the pretense?" -- I think she was ok with nonmonogamy as long as it didn't affect her own relationship and she probably felt like if she said be "go for it" that her boyfriend would have and maybe neglected her in the process. By saying make sure I never find out, she's implying her relationship better not suffer if he decides to go with new partners. - 6 months ago
Question Asker I think the difference between spelling it out as you suggest and implying is that she couldn't account for all the ways she might be affected, so the "make sure I don't find" out covers all bases. But it does seem a bit flawed because if he did begin to neglect her because of new partners, she wouldn't know about the new partners and would be examining herself trying to figure out what she did to cause it. - 6 months ago
Answerer "What if someone changes their mind, gets jealous, freaks out, etc?" So what? She found a guy whose babies she wanted to raise. I adjusted. The trick, again: get it out, tell it straight, they'll deal.

If you honor someone enough to be totally candid with them, from the beginning to the end, then a relationship doesn't need many other moving parts. It's only when you set limits on candor--be candid, but tell me what I want to hear=don't ask, don't tell--that you get into trouble. - 6 months ago

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Littletad      When: 6 months ago
Sure, go ahead and do that "Don't ask, don't tell" policy. But keep in mind that eventually your guilty conscious will give in, especially if you find out this guy is actually worth keeping and perhaps marrying.

The idea of monogamy has become such a joke in today's society that many are perhaps more willing to "never want to know" rather than exactly finding out. Sad really.
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Question Asker Can you elaborate on the "guilty conscience" thing? I think you might have a good point, but I'm not completely following you. - 6 months ago
 

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babyjj      When: 4 months ago
I think monogamy vs polygamy is a touchy subject. A lot of other countries of the world practice polygmy. Although, the funny part is that most countries are still dominated by male presence and unfortunatly polygyny is mostly practice. This is when men can marry multiple partners but woman are restrained to one husband. These are more favorable in the countries they are practiced in such as africa which are poorer countries. This is done by means of protecting the family and securing the family.
North Americans on the other hand have taken these ideas and screwed them up.. In North America we live for ourselves and no one else. People in this country are selfish. The idea of polygamy is not thought of here for securing a family, increasing chances of survival, etc.. The idea here is that " I don't have to sacrifice my humanly urges"..
This is sick. polygamy and cheating my friends are two seperate ideas and two seperate events. To be frank, here in America, the land of freedom and dreams. Polygamy could not exsit due to selfish nature and your left with cheating.
Women don't let yourself be cheated on your worth more then that. As well men or women if you think this is ridiculous, just don't get into a relationship. Its that f***ing simple because whether you like it or not monogamy is practice, accepted, and the standard in this country.
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Simple-Simonette
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Simple-Simonette      When: 6 months ago
Though I cannot condone my husband cheating, I honestly would not want to know if he did. I feel it's because I'm a coward. I don't want to deal with anger, the draining of energy trying to come to terms with him messing around behind my back. I don't want to question what we had for 10+ years and turn the microscope on myself to figure out what it was I was lacking to make him stray.
I had an ex I know who cheated on me, but he would never admit to it, even after we broke up. I remember finding out about it from someone else - the way I felt about myself before I knew he running around and the way I felt after those damning words left the mouth of the one who informed me. Confident to devastated. Loved to betrayed. I felt stupid beyond words.
Yes, it's selfish. Yes, it's lazy. Yes, I am being a coward. But I like the way my life is and I don't want to deal with all the changes that come from kicking his ass and throwing him out. I would rather live my life in blissful ignorance to have things remain the same.
My husband understands the way I feel - he disagrees. He would want to know immediately - only if to get revenge. But if you have a slip up, would you want to throw away everything that you built for one night of weakness?
If he was a serial cheater, I know it would force me to react - I'm not one to play second fiddle to a mistress. But if it was just something that happened, never to be repeated - he can keep it to himself. Take it the way you want - I'm too old and too tired to play avenging wife.
Life has taught me this - we can only deal with so much ... I don't think I'm strong enough to come to terms with the fact that my husband doesn't love me if that were the case. That might change in the future, but right now that is beyond my capacity to deal with.
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Question Asker Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your answer. I think you make an interesting point about serial cheating and its relationship to the propensity of reaction. There is one thing I'm still curious about in your relationship and I'm not trying to change your mind at all, I'm just curious -- Why would you feel like your husband doesn't love you if he were to be with another partner? What aspect of our nature makes us feel that way? - 6 months ago
Answerer I understand we all have different ideas of love, but I took the time to find someone who feels the same way as I do. Love equates faithfulness and devotion, compassion and consideration. I feel him cheating means that he no longer loves me because that's the way he would feel if I were to cheat on him. This is something that was discussed prior to the "I do's", so I will hold him to his word. - 6 months ago
Question Asker I see your point!

When you said "I feel him cheating means that he no longer loves me because that's the way I would feel if I were to cheat on him" it reminded me of a conversation we had in my psychology course back in college. Some of the classmates suggested "guys seek out new partners for the curiosity and experience of the new encounter where as girls seek out new partners because they are unhappy with their current relationships" Interesting stuff! - 6 months ago
Answerer Oops, you misquoted me. I said " ... that's the way HE would feel if I cheated on him."
It is interesting. Remember as well, different people have different definitions of cheating. To some everything that leads up to intercourse is okay, while with others a meaningful look is as bad as having sex. I guess we only know what we are willing to accept when it happens. A discussion of our reactions are just assumptions - some of us may be able to deal more than we thought. It all depends ... - 6 months ago

Reeses-pieces777
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Reeses-pieces777      When: 6 months ago
there's arguments for both sides to support monogomy and to support polygamy.
i myself, a complete monogamist. I've been brought up with values that are instilled in me deep from my mom and slightly religious upbringing
but I'm not a hardcore religious fanatic, I think

it's just a movie
movies aren't a good example of what we should idealistically follow as a form of moral guide...most of the time...because they are not real. they're just movies
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xxangel1990xx
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xxangel1990xx      When: 6 months ago
Nope sorry all I got from that was your bf's ex giving him permission to cheat. There is no more to it apart from her not wanting to deal with any upset from her boyfriend cheating on her. If anyone cheats on me I would defo want to know so I can dump him and make him wish he'd never met me. Cheaters are scum. I would never say that to my boyfriend and basically allow him to cheat aslong as he doesn't get caught. I mean, what kind of crap is that?!
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Anonymous User      When: 6 months ago
That's follish. I want to know. Sorry but in the age of HIV/AIDS and all these other STDs, ignorance isn't bliss, it may cost you your life. If a guy doesn't love me enough to stay faithful and honor our relationship I would want to know so I can leave him.
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