How are fat/less attractive girls getting with fine guys? are the guys taking advantage of low self esteem?

nice personality wins out over looks every time. But initial attraction is solely based on looks. No matter how great your personality, a girl won't meet a decent guy unless she's got the goods.

Because some guys aren't shallow and actually value a woman for her personality.
So maybe you should stop being so shallow and insulting to other people, and you might become more attractive...

I've been attracted to women who aren't as attractive as I am... I like very rare personality traits and for some reason the more attractive women tend not to exhibit them. They also tend to be more appreciative of you as well because they feel really accomplished getting a guy like you. I've liked women of various levels of physical attractiveness. I am being completely honost with this as well so eff off if you think I'm BSing you.

Seriously, it has a lot to do with personality, a hot girl or pretty girl that is a bitch or thinks to highly of herself becomes ugly to me. If on the other hand she is not self obsorbed, friendly, carries a little extra weight or not as pretty,well, her personality may win her over a lot of guys.

Oh, and yeah, girls that are all that tend to be high maintence, a lot of guys get tired of that. A smart guy in the end will realize that looks fade and it is what is inside that matters.

I have to be honest. One of the biggest things a girl needs to be to keep my interest is to be secure in who she is. I would rather date a less attractive girl who was comfortable with it and didn't obsess over her looks than a hot girl who did. Whenever anyone obsesses over their looks to me it seems like insecurities that will manifest themselves in ways that will introduce a lot of unwanted drama into our relationship.

In other words, even more important than looks are:

She must be LAID BACK, DRAMA FREE, and MENTALLY STABLE. And when she obsesses over losing 5 lbs, or tanning, or stuff like that, then I would highly doubt she was those things.

that's rare.
Most guys prefere attractive girls over fat/ugly ones, even if the pretty ones have worse personalitites

I am not sure how many questions you are asking here...and any answer I give will get me in trouble...but I am already in trouble this morning...I even have Selfishstars after me...guys will go after the less attractive girls very frequently...some attractive girls have big heads which can ruin their personality..but a lot of times the males are just intimidated and feel more comfortable and confident...(isn't that what all you females say you want? confident) asking choice #2 or even 3 or 4 out instead of choice #1. As far as "fat/less attractive" as you put it...all depends on the male..remember: beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. For me, iwould prefer slender/less attractive over fat/more attractive...but I have a lot of friends that don't agree with that..

well I'd sure date a girl who was less attractive than me if she had a personality to make up for it :) I think loads of guys would.

Easier to go for a girl that isn't good looking. The good looking girls know they're good looking and they think beauty gives them some kind of rein to be bitchy, controlling and disgusting in general. I find the quieter ones tend to be nicer or more reserved.

beauty to you isn't necessarily beauty to someone else. we are all very different and it is no different when choosing a partner. beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)

I happen to think some big women are gorgeous. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

Your a bitch.

Why do you think that everybody thinks the same way you do? Obviously if he is dating her he likes the way she looks and her personality.You are so stuck up, I highly doubt that any guy will EVER Date you. Chances are if you ever get in any relationship, you will scare him off with your expectations and you digusting personality.

"Beauty is in the eyes of the Beholder". There also is this thing called a personality and obviously you have never heard of that with your low IQ.

Umm because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously the guy likes the way she looks or he wouldn't be with her. Maybe the girls have great personalities too. You just sound like a dumb bitch. There's someone out there for EVERYONE. Just because you think the girl is ugly doesn't mean the guy thinks she is. Your personslity is very ugly so maybe that's why you're not getting the guys...

Because all guys arnt as shallow as people portray.. Maybe you can learn a thing or two from these guys and stop judging base on looks!

I have seen this and usually the partner you might consider a 10 doesn't really think of themselves in those terms. They also are attracted to a look that you may consider a 4 but they do not.

I do believe all initial dating starts with physical attraction, but what each of us considers attractive runs the gamut. I do understand some of what you are saying but, really, most guys want to be with someone they consider attractive even for one night stands or FWB. In those situations they could really care less about your personality or a lot of other things, but they won't be able to sleep with someone they cannot stand seeing naked.

Oh, and I disagree that most men want beautiful women. Most men want women they are attracted to. A lot of guys will say that they would sleep with a beautiful woman but would never make her a girlfriend because they either think she would be too high maintenance or that she will eventually move on to another guy that they think could offer her more than they can. Some guys are completely intimidated by "beautiful" women.

The whole sugar mama thing, thankfully, most guys just don't want to live off a woman. Yes, some guys would be happy to have a woman support them, but most guys derive their self esteem from their work. They may enjoy having a woman they don't have to support but they won't stick with an unattractive woman for money.

Yeah, God forbid the "ugly girl" actually has a nice, outgoing personality, and that's why he wants her. Where in the world do you get the idea that she must be doing dirty sexual things with him and giving him money? I mean, seriously? That's a mean thing to think. A guy that's a 10 will have a lot of girls after him, if sex and money were all he cared about he could get them without having to get in a relationship with a girl he's not attracted to. There are plenty of hot girls who engage in slutty behavior, no attachment necessary. He clearly likes the girl or he wouldn't be with her, simple as that. He doesn't see it as "dating down". Men do have brains, they recognize other qualities in a girl that they find attractive. You make it seem like visual creature=basic creature, as if they can't see beyond looks. If that were true, it'd be really sad.

Besides, it shouldn't matter to you anyway. Why would you want to date a guy that would be with a girl only for nasty sex and money? His personality would be sh*t.

never seen that myself just the other way around...i found it interesting and that the guy isn't shallow that's all...