Guys who get friend zoned take partial blame for not making that they have interest. They sit there, being the "nice guy" and then whine and complain that their lack of initiative isn't working in their favor. Honestly, some deserve to be friends zoned. If you're gonna be that passive in getting the girl I'm sure that'll fare well in a relationship. *cough* As for the rest, it can be lame as hell but some need to realize that not everyone that you like will like you back. I've been in the same boat so I can empathize.
As far as "mean," you're doing two extremes here. I'd rather a woman speak up to a guy who's being a user. Too many silly girls fall for that crap because of the bs spewed in the media and chick flicks, making them believe that these jerks are really wounded souls and they need some nurturing. The reality is that they're d***s and have found a way to work the system to their benefit. Why them refusing to deal with this asinine bs makes them crazy makes me wonder what's going on with your logic. You WANT them to put up with the jerks or not?
And if you want to go into an entire thing as to what makes women crazy? Read George Carlin's book, "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?" He has several pages, listing everything that women have to deal with and he empathizes why so many go "crazy." Society is still very beneficial to males generally and that combined with the increase of selfish douchebaggery (on both sides) and the media assaulting girls as soon as they can comprehend, it's no wonder you see such ridiculous behavior. I'm also seeing quite a bit of bs on the male side as well from being bombarded by media influence. A lot of immaturity and lack of taking responsibility for ones' actions. Way too much entitlement going on out there with each younger generation (both sides).
Some females really do need a reality check and I put them in line when they behave like a stereotype. But if you think about all the contributing factors? Yeah. Not surprising that females get pegged as crazy. There's so much selfish bs that society has conditioned men to be from birth. I know not all guys are like this, but it sure as hell exists. I've seen some amazing examples in the past year, and wow.
As for the guys who continue to whine and play victim to the bs from these girls with issues, wake the hell up and learn to filter your choices better. Most of the complaints I see on here are guys falling for some idiot chick and tolerating stupid bs. Oh girls fall for the bad boy? You wusses fall for the bad girl. It happens on both sides. Instead of letting your ego get all butthurt, why don't you just learn from these experiences?
As far as what they want, every one is different. Try asking them and getting to know them. If they end up being a stereotype and confuse you, find someone else. It's that simple.
we want a balance. not too little, not too much and even then it depends on the guy. the thing about women is you just never know. if a guy acts nice and friendly then I think of him as a friend. but if I'm really attracted to him and/or have a crush on him, then I'll just keep my feelings hidden but want to be more than friends. if a guy is mean to me then I'll be mean to him back. if a guy tells me he just wants to have sex then I don't consider that mean, as a matter of fact I'm glad he's honest and not playing games. I may or may not think he's an a**hole or a creep, it depends on the guy and how he says it. there are just so many variables that its easy to see why guys don't always understand women. I just read that back myself and was like damn lol.
It's got to be somewhere in between. Yes, we do want a nice guy BUT we want a nice guy who wants us. So you have to be a good guy who also shows interest. If you're just a nice guy, then we don't think you want us and we won't be interested in you either. If you're an a**hole then we just won't like you at all.
Guys do the same thing too...why are you guys so stupid to ask someone out like that anyway? Obviously if you're in the friend zone, then they only wanted to be your friend and you're just an a**hole to them then what makes you think you deserve a gf?
haha well if you don't wanna be in the friend zone just tell her you like her..we don't wanna hear "i just wanna have sex" we wanna be loved and cared for.. we wanna be treated with respect and we wanna feel important not just a rag doll.. we might be crazy and difficult to understand but so is everyone else in this world.. you gotta learn and mature and evolve in life..
I only friendzone guys I see no potential in as a mate, I don't friendzone all the nice guys. I prefer dating the "nice guys" to the d***s, because they're better for sustaining happy, healthy relationships. :) I friend zone the idiots.
That's where the power of asking her comes in. Dude how the hell am I supposed to know what 5billion other chicks want let alone what I truly want. If you want a direct answer you can ask her questions like um I don't know "what do you want from a relationship?"
Really? Dude. Tell a girl you like her. Then be yourself. If she thinks you're an a**hole then it won't work out. If she thinks you're okay then maybe it'll go somewhere. The same goes with you for her.
If you're gonna try and find the universal balance between "nice guy" and "bad boy" then you're not going anywhere.
theres a fine line between being too nice and being an a**hole...i love a guy who's nice but fun and spontaneous who I can have a good time with and who can make me laugh and just enjoy being with and also someone I'm able to be by myself around...those are the best...like, its sweet for you to occasionally open a door or you know, be a gentleman but running to the door to catch it etc is too much sometimes makes the girl feel like you don't think she can take care of or handle things on her own...like I could open the door just fine but the gesture is nice on occasion if that makes sense but I love a nice guy I don't like a**holes
When females want a relationship, women want a guy they're emotionally, mentally and sexually attracted to a guy that they can bond with AND have sex with ... just like men. However, sometimes girls blame a guy being "too nice" when what they really mean is they aren't attracted to him in some way. Girls are raised to be kind to everyone and try to make people feel good about themselves, so they often hide behind platitudes hopeing that they don't have to feel guilty for saying "I'm sorry, I'm simply not interested."
They want a hot guy who has the acting skills to pretend to be nice to them (doesn't take much).
They don't give a sh*t about personality till they're starting to calm down and considering settling down. Then the nice guys would shine, pity is by then they've been turned into 'chauvinistic pigs' by the very women that turned a blind eye to them. It's a wonder how we survive as a species.
Lol this shots actually true, lol if you let girls make all the decisions then your boring and girls won't like you (my step-sis broke up with her husband because of it) and if you give them no choice then your an a**hole ad egotistical etc etc, basically women are insane and you have to find a perfect medium just to make them happy for a ill while
It comes down to challenge. The girl is not going to think of you like that if you are continually eating out of the palm of her hand. If she feels like maybe you are too good for you, or are a challenge to get, then you become more desirable. It's really not that craycray if you think about it. I'm sure there's a handful of guys right here that have been uninterested in a girl who was interested in them, because there was no challenge in getting her.
"What's the logic?" <-- focusing on this question is your problem. There is no logic involved. You can't "prove" a girl in to liking you. Relationships are a formless, constantly evolving cloud of emotional exchanges. Logic doesn't work inside the cloud. Just get familiar with the cloud, the way it works, feel it in your gut. Then you'll know what to do.