Does anyone else think that the Seven Years war should be considered World War one, and the Napoleonic Wars World War 2?

I mean if you look at the list of participants of the Seven Years War
On one side you have
Great Britain
British America
Prussia
Portugal (from 1762)
Hanover
Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel
Iroquois Confederacy
Hesse-Kassel
Schaumburg-Lippe
On the Other Side
France
French Canada
Holy Roman Empire:
Austria
Saxony
Bavaria
Russia (until 1762)
Spain (from 1762)
Sweden (1757–62)
Abenaki Confederacy
Mughal Empire (from 1757)
And the Napoleonic Wars
on one side
United Kingdom
Austria[1][2](1805, 1809, 1813–1815)
Hungary[nb 1](1809)

Russia[6] (1804–1807, 1810–1815)
Portugal (1800–1807, 1809–1815)
Prussia (1806-1807, 1813-1815)
Sweden[7] (1804–1809, 1812–1815)
Spain[8](1808–1815)
Sicily[9]
Papal States
Ottoman Empire[10](1806–1810)
Moldavia
Wallachia
Persia (1807–1812)[11]
Sardinia
Netherlands (1815)
Brunswick
Tuscany
French Royalists
Hanover[12]
Nassau
Bavaria
Württemberg
Tyrol
Montenegro (1806–1814)
On the Other
France

French clients

Spain[8](1803–1808)
Denmark–Norway[19](1807–1814)
Austria[1][2](1809–1813)
Ottoman Empire[10](1807–1809, 1810–1812)

Moldavia
Wallachia
Russia[6](1807–1810)
Prussia[2](1807–1812)
Persia[11](1804–1807, 1812–1813)
Sweden[7](1809–1812)

Co-belligerents:

Norway[19] (1814)

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  • So we've had like 4 of them already? Possibly more if you count other ones (maybe the cold war?)

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  • The Seven Years War should, undoubtedly, because not only did it involve Europe, Asia, and the Middle East, but also the United States and American Indians. It also has the added peculiarity of being the one conflict that began in the new world opposed to the old world, in the process bringing the latter into it. The Napoleanic Wars however is what I am uncertain about because technically it did not involve the new world. While the American Revolution/War of 1812 was still on the peripheral, the conflict did not necessarily involve the new world directly.

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  • Hmmm, it makes sense if so many countries were involved-but I think changing it now would cause more headache.

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  • D. I don't know much about the 7 year war.

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  • I'm an ancient history student but literally only interested in ancient history 😂 I know nothing about what you're talking about, dude

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  • Not really because they were all pretty much continental wars within Europe, hence not a "world war" because the rest of the world was hardly involved at all.

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    • 2mo

      Really, Cause both of them involved the middle eastern powers of the time and the Seven Years war involved American Indians heavily, and the war of 1812 between the U. S, and Canada and Great Britain if sometimes counted as peripheral part of the Napoleonic wars,

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    • 2mo

      But lets be Honest, the real reason that World war three can NEVER be allowed to happen is its pretty much a Guarantee that it will go nuclear and then we all lose.
      No one wins a nuclear war, everyone loses

    • 2mo

      Well actually Jxpxtxr it did affect the Chinese and Russians they were backing the communist Vietcong during the Vietnam war just like when the Chinese were backing the Koreans during the Korean war. The war really wasn't just the US vs the Vietcong is was really a proxy war agaisnt soviet SSR and it's allies.

What Guys Said 16

  • You are probably right but if you seriously think you can change what the war is called, go down to the ocean and take a whiz to try to raise the tide! :) (I know you aren't seriously thinking you can get the name changed.)

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  • It would be highly inconvenient to rewrite such important events purely for the sake of ascribing chronological order that no one would really care about anyway. The War to end all wars and the war against the Nazis are forever marked in history as WW1 and WW2 respectively - there is no way to get this out of humanity's psyche.

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  • And the 1918-1920 invasion of Russia by allied forces and others was a WW too:
    The various Allies are estimated to have sent the following strength of troops to the Russian campaign (from Wikipedia):

    50,000 Czechoslovaks[4] (along the Trans-Siberian railway)
    28,000 Japanese (later increased to 70,000[5], all in the Vladivostok region)
    24,000 Greeks (in Crimea and the Ukraine)
    13,000 Americans (in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions)
    12,000 Poles (mostly in Crimea and the Ukraine)
    4,000 Canadians (in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions)
    4,000 Serbs (in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions)
    4,000 Romanians (in Arkhangelsk region)
    2,000 Italians (in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions)
    1,600 British (in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions)
    760 French (mostly in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok regions

    source: www.criticalenquiry.org/history/polarbear.shtml

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    • 2mo

      I actually could see that considered as an extension of world war one,
      The U. S was there too as well in Siberia

    • 2mo

      Russia tried to prevent it by signing the Treaty of Brest Litovsk: it gave up close to half its European territory. Russian Poland, Lithuania and part of Latvia were ceded to Germany and Austria. The Ukraine, Finland, Estonia and the rest of Latvia were transformed into independent states under German protection. Bessarabia was to go to Romania and the Ottomans took the Armenian areas in the Caucasus.
      Germany just continued its invasion, and was later joined by the above.

    • 2mo

      in my opinion it's then that the real fundament for the Second Reich and WW2 was created, much more than with the Versailles Treaty.

  • I think the context was this war (1914 -1918) would be the "Great War" and the "War To End All Wars" so it was given the bombastic title "World War 1" but unfortunately that wasn't true and we had another "World War" just 21 years later.

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  • When op tags you in a question 😂😂😂
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbCPBdRI_I

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    • 2mo

      Okay, I'll remember not to tage you next time.
      and I need to see rick and morty

    • 2mo

      I don't care. It just reminded me of that clip... But frankly I didn't care much for this question

  • I suppose in that manner yes it could be considered WW1 and WW2.

    But then you have to compare your list to the list of countries in WW1 and WW2

    WW1

    Africa
    Algeria
    Angola
    Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
    Basutoland
    Bechuanaland
    Belgian Congo
    British East Africa (Kenya)
    British Gold Coast
    British Somaliland
    Cameroon
    Cabinda
    Egypt
    Eritrea
    French Equatorial Africa
    Gabun
    Middle Congo
    Ubangi-Schari
    French Somaliland
    French West Africa
    Dahomey
    Guinea
    Ivory Coast
    Mauretania
    Senegal
    Upper Senegal and Niger
    Gambia
    German East Africa
    Italian Somaliland
    Liberia
    Madagascar
    Morocco
    Portuguese East Africa (Mozambique)
    Nigeria
    Northern Rhodesia
    Nyasaland
    Sierra Leone
    South Africa
    South West Africa (Namibia)
    Southern Rhodesia
    Togoland
    Tripoli
    Tunisia
    Uganda and Zanzibar

    America
    Brazil
    Canada
    Costa Rica
    Cuba
    Falkland Islands
    Guatemala
    Haiti
    Honduras
    Guadeloupe
    Newfoundland
    Nicaragua
    Panama
    Philippines
    U. S. A
    West Indies
    Bahamas
    Barbados
    British Guiana
    British Honduras
    French Guiana
    Grenada
    Jamaica
    Leeward Islands
    St. Lucia
    St. Vincent
    Trinidad and Tobago

    Asia
    Aden
    Arabia
    Bahrein
    El Qatar
    Kuwait
    Trucial Oman
    Borneo
    Ceylon
    China
    India
    Japan
    Persia
    Russia
    Siam
    Singapore
    Transcaucasia
    Turkey

    Australasia and Pacific Islands
    Antipodes
    Auckland
    Austral Islands
    Australia
    Bismarck Archipelgeo
    Bounty
    Campbell
    Carolina Islands
    Chatham Islands
    Christmas
    Cook Islands
    Ducie
    Elice Islands
    Fanning
    Flint
    Fiji Islands
    Gilbert Islands
    Kermadec Islands
    Macquarie
    Malden
    Mariana Islands
    Marquesas Islands
    Marshal Islands
    New Guinea
    New Caledonia
    New Hebrides
    New Zealand
    Norfolk
    Palau Islands
    Palmyra
    Paumoto Islands
    Pitcairn
    Pheonix Islands
    Samoa Islands
    Solomon Islands
    Tokelau Islands
    Tonga

    Europe
    Albania
    Austria-Hungary
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Czechoslovakia
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Great Britain
    Germany
    Greece
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Malta
    Montenegro
    Poland
    Portugal
    Romania
    Russia
    San Marino
    Serbia
    Turkey

    Atlantic Islands
    Ascension
    Sandwich Islands
    South Georgia
    St. Helena
    Tristan da Cunha

    Indian Ocean Islands
    Andaman Islands
    Cocos Islands
    Mauritius
    Nicobar Islands
    Reunion
    Seychelles

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    • 2mo

      WW2

      1.1 Afghanistan
      1.2 Albania
      1.3 Algeria
      1.4 Argentina
      1.5 Australia
      1.6 Bahrain
      1.7 Belgium
      1.8 Bolivia
      1.9 Brazil
      1.10 British Borneo
      1.11 Bulgaria
      1.12 Canada
      1.13 Caribbean Islands
      1.14 Ceylon (Sri Lanka)
      1.15 Chile
      1.16 China
      1.17 Colombia
      1.18 Costa Rica
      1.19 Cuba
      1.20 Cyprus
      1.21 Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic)
      1.21.1 Slovak Republic (Slovakia)
      1.22 Denmark
      1.23 Dominican Republic
      1.24 Dutch East Indies (Indonesia)
      1.25 Ecuador
      1.26 Egypt
      1.27 El Salvador
      1.28 Estonia
      1.29 Ethiopia
      1.30 Fiji
      1.31 Finland
      1.32 France
      1.32.1 Free French Forces
      1.32.2 Vichy France
      1.32.3 Occupied France
      1.33 Germany
      1.33.1 Austria
      1.34 Gibraltar
      1.35 Greece
      1.36 Guatemala
      1.37 Haiti
      1.38 Honduras
      1.39 Hong Kong
      1.40 Hungary
      1.41 Iceland
      1.42 India
      1.42.1 Andaman & Nicobar Islands

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      1.43 Iran
      1.44 Iraq
      1.45 Ireland
      1.46 Italy
      1.47 Japan
      1.48 Kenya
      1.49 Korea
      1.50 Laos
      1.51 Latvia
      1.52 Lebanon
      1.53 Liberia
      1.54 Liechtenstein
      1.55 Lithuania
      1.56 Luxembourg
      1.57 Malaya
      1.58 Malta
      1.59 Manchukuo
      1.60 Mexico
      1.61 Monaco
      1.62 Mongolia
      1.63 Morocco
      1.64 Nauru
      1.65 Nepal
      1.66 Netherlands
      1.67 Newfoundland
      1.68 New Zealand
      1.69 Nicaragua
      1.70 Northern Rhodesia
      1.71 Norway
      1.72 Oman
      1.73 Palestine
      1.74 Panama
      1.75 Paraguay
      1.76 Peru
      1.77 Philippines
      1.78 Poland
      1.79 Portugal
      1.79.1 Portuguese Macau
      1.79.2 Portuguese Timor
      1.80 Romania
      1.81 Samoa
      1.82 San Marino
      1.83 Saudi Arabia
      1.84 Singapore
      1.85 South Africa
      1.86 Southern Rhodesia
      1.87 Soviet Union
      1.87.1 Armenian SSR (Armenia)
      1.87.2 Azerbaijan SSR (Azerbaijan)
      1.87.3 Byelorussian SSR (Belarus)

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      1.88 Spain
      1.89 Sweden
      1.90 Switzerland
      1.91 Syria
      1.92 Thailand
      1.93 Tonga
      1.94 Transjordan
      1.95 Turkey
      1.96 United Kingdom
      1.96.1 Channel Islands
      1.96.2 Isle of Man
      1.97 United States
      1.97.1 American Samoa
      1.98 Uruguay
      1.99 Vatican City
      1.100 Venezuela
      1.101 Yemen
      1.102 Yugoslavia
      1.102.1 Croatia

      As you can see the lists of countries involved and affected is much, much bigger.

  • No, because while they shaped the course the world took afterwards, they did not touch the entire world with their events like the First World War did. There was action in India, China and the Pacific during WW1.

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  • Problem is that it wasn't a world war, since there was no participants in Africa, there was no war over there, as well as in most of Asia, since there were no colonies over there. The reason Africa was a battleground in WW1 and WW2 was because European countries had colonies over there.
    I doubt if there were no colonies and no country in Africa decided to enter the war (or the Axis tried to take over Africa), we would call them World Wars.

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  • Basically, it was a world war by definition. Although it could be argued that thet war of Spanish Succession was the first "World War" and the Seven Years war the second one. Some would even say the third one since they count the war of Austrian Succession as a "Wolrd War" as well. Most historians/history students (at my University at least) would agree that the Great War wasn't the first "real" World War.

    The Napoleonic Wars are a little bit more complicated in that matter, since none of those wars really was of global scale. The consequences were, but the single wars themselves were not. Despite that, all great powers were involved anyway. So I guess it depends on how you look at it.

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  • That'd mess up all my textbooks, and that would be a bummer.

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  • What about when the time when Genghis Khan took over the world?

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    • 2mo

      You might be right,
      This brings to question what world war we are actually on.

  • The thing is, WW1 and 2 included every nation and were destructive to an awful lot of them, in these wars, while yes they included a lot of people, it was mainly focused around Europe in brutal, devastating wars, but nothing like WW1+2 because those two had a huge advance in technology on their side too, giving way to all new kinds of horrors.

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  • yes, it was the first world war.

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  • Not even close

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  • Don't know much about history

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  • In order for a war to be a real world war, it must involve all the continents, I think even ww1 and ww2 were not completely fit into the world war (Central and South American countries were not participating in these wars)

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    • 2mo

      Brazil declared war on Germany during WW1, same as in WW2. I don't know if other S. American country entered the wars, though.

    • 2mo

      @AleDeEurope Really? Thanks for the info, I never knew Brazilian soldiers participated in the WW1 and WW2.

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