they can also get a prenup if they do not agree with the pre-established rules.
DIvorce laws are awful and totally skewed towards women.. But Its better to divorce someone you fell out of love with and see you are incompatible and a total waste of time with, then sticking through the marriage. Might even be better for the kids to not see their parents fighting.Nobody wants to get divorced, but nobody knows how a marriage is going to be 10-20 or even 5 years down the line. You don't know your partner that well until you live with them and interact with them nearly 24/7 outside of work. Sometimes you can do your best, but they could have a baggage or addiction they can't let go of.. or make really dumb decisions and you or they fall out of love
There was a guy who had no money so his divorce didn't include getting money. Then 20 years later he's successful and his x won a lawsuit so he now had to pay like 250,000 or more. 20 fucking years later, just goes to show men shouldn't get married.
Yeah, my first marriage was just stupid, oh the decisions we make at 18. I want me my girlfriend on base and more money each payday! That turned a trash fire into a dumpster fire, then after discharge and picking up contracts it was sprinkling money kindling on that dumpster fire to a house fire.It was a group effort fuck-up, honestly when the divorce was over it was probably the happiest we had been in our relationship before walking out of the notary and never talking again. So yeah, 100% agree, think more before you get married and why you're doing it before whining about the divorce.
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I’ve always wanted to marry but that debt crap scares me. I’ve worked very hard and always thought before acting to ensure i never go into debt. The fact that their debt would get thrown on me makes it understandable as to why many fear a legal marriage/certificate 🙈
@DizzyDesii You are only responsible for the debt they incur during the marriage, not the pre-existing debt.
Yea but that scares me too. Im saying i dont wanna be reaponsible for someone elses debt in general. Like it makes you feel sorry for spouses whose spouse secretly gambles and gets into debt. Then you both owe it back
@DizzyDesii In Florida, there is an exception to the rule of equal splits of assets and liabilities when one spouse has engaged in gambling or an addiction (alcohol, drugs, QVC, etc.) that results in a wasting of assets.
You're confusing alimony (money you have to pay your former spouse) with child support (money you have to pay to take care of your children's expenses).
@MrOracle you are right! thanks for pointing that out. English isn't my native language; we have a similar word that, legally, means child support.
@mistixs That is correct. But it's not worth it if the marriage doesn't last.
A broken heart can be extremely detrimental to one's health.
@Jamie05rhs I agree. That's discussing divorce, though, not marriage itself. Marriage itself has benefits. I was responding to @JackSmy who said "I don't see a point to marriage!! I don't see ANY BENEFIT, AT ALL, for the man?" Obviously divorce is a different topic. It has drawbacks and I'd rather remain unmarried than get married and get a divorce.
@mistixs Thanks. And I agree with you as well. (Why do you think I haven't gotten married yet?)But I think that's kinda what Jack meant. He also is wary of divorce.
Especially if the kids have their primary home with the parent who wasn’t working after divorce.
And more so if these money was made during the courde of the relationship.
Also this is referring only to wealth/possessions obtained during the marriage, not before the marriage.
If you've ever been through divorce, the whole "before" part is completely irrelevant. The only way around it is that your property is community property, so you can sell everything you want to keep to a friend for a dollar, have a contract, then have them give it back after the divorce. Debt is an asset that can be split.
@Arabella_Rose So he is making $180,000, and she is making maybe $30,000, WITH TIPS, at the hair salon, and after five years, they divorce. So she is entitled to half of the $180,000, each year, that he earned, when she earned nearly nothing? WHY?Probably the BEST REASON for guys to NEVER MARRY!!
@JackSmy she is entitled to half of the (180k+30k) = 210k upon divorce. When you file taxes, you both file married filing jointly. The government sees both your income as a whole because you are both 1 ENTITY. When you're married, you don't have your own net worth. You and your wife's net worth is YOUR net worth.
@JackSmy and quite honestly, a man who is smart and capable enough of making 180k can do wayyy better than a woman who makes 30k per year.
@Arabella_Rose Two things, on your posts, but the most important, first! Why do you just assume that a guy making $180,000 wouldn't, or couldn't find a TRUE LOVE, with a lady that maybe does work, at a hair salon, and maybe makes, $30,000 a year? Do you imagine he is too far 'above' being with someone, like that?Maybe she is a register clerk, at a grocery store, does it matter? How can anyone know who they fall in love with?Money doesn't mean shit to me, except having just enough to get by.The second point doesn't really matter, I guess.
@JackSmy Its kinda like saying the CEO of amazon or investment bank dating the bathroom janitor. Usually guys who make that much money are highly educated and highly accomplished and will want a woman who is also educated and somewhat accomplished herself. Like there are leagues for looks, there are also leagues for education / accomplishments.
@JackSmy But if you chose to marry someone who works a minimum wage job over a girl who actually can make a decent living, then you deserve to lose half of your assets upon divorce. Nobody told you to marry someone with a terribly low net worth
@Arabella_Rose So you assume all guys are like that?
@JackSmy I have worked with professional , very educated men at investment banks / accounting firms. I can tell you that the more sophisticated and educated he is, the more likely he will seek out someone who is similarly educated / accomplished as him. Highly educated men usually have little to nothing in common with folks without an education. So even if he does not judge her based on her lack of education, they will end up having difficulty getting along and relating to each other. If you're saying that the man making 180k a year is uneducated, knows little to nothing , average joe then he would be fine dating a bathroom janitor.
@JackSmy As much as people do not like to admit it, there is a hierarchy ranking. Having a prestigious education / career DOES get you more respect and others will see you as in a higher league. Its kind of like dressing to impress. Would you respect someone with a dirty shirt , ripped jeans and a baseball cap more than a well dressed man with a tailor fitted suit, shiny shoes, gelled hair?
@Arabella_Rose I know what you are saying, I know the stigmas, the stereotypes, but how will it EVER change, unless some start the change by believing and not accepting being treated as less, because they are not making a lot of money.It starts small, and simple. Today, I was just starting to drive away from a gas station, and a black guy, in torn jeans, looking ragged was walking across the exit. I stopped and waited for him to pass.He said "thank you, my man!" like it was something special, to just respect him, walking there? I didn't understand.Just because someone makes a lot of money, or drives an expensive car, doesn't mean anything to me. It's the PERSON, and WHO they are, that matters!
@JackSmy ok. so you're saying that looks don't matter? money doesn't matter? We, as a society, tend to unconsciously judge people based on their looks, money, the way they dress. Pretty girls are always going to get more dates than ugly girls. It doesn't matter how great of a person the ugly girl is, she is always gonna get less dates than the pretty girls. You will always respect a man with a tailor fitted suit over the black guy wearing sagging jeans, and over sized t shirt. You will always see the billionaire mark cuban as "higher up" than a bathroom janitor. People like to claim that they are not shallow or judgmental. But its human nature to be judge.
@JackSmy Imagine if you owned a small business, you are looking to hire a worker. One well qualified interviewee walks in with an old t shirt , baseball cap, and dirty sneakers. Another well qualified applicant walks in with a nice fitted suit, shiny shoes and ironed shirt, nicely combed hair and impeccable manners. You're likely gonna hire the one who dressed well and made a good impression on you. Its nothing but just the truth.
@Arabella_Rose LOL!! WTF? I'm trying to say positive things, and tell you that I don't think like MOST, and you keep arguing for the limitations!!"If you argue for your limitations, you get to keep them!"Yeah, looks matter, to most; yeah, skin color matters, to most; yeah, a criminal record matters, to most; BUT NOT ALL!!!I have hired in two different companies, and the resume looks WOW!! Then at the interview, they SUCK!!! Someone comes in, and yeah, the 10th resume, and we are desperate, and they interview like WOW!!! Why didn't you put all that in your resume?That was the person we wanted, but their resume didn't get them the interview, that got them the job!! It was they way they presented themselves, in the interview, that closed the deal!That's maybe why I am saying all this!! Some look good on paper, but SUCK, in reality!! Some look weak, but they are the REAL THING!!
@JackSmy hun, what I'm trying to say is: we all unconsciously judge people based on the way they dress, the way they look, their accomplishments, their intellect, their status. Of course you would speak to a CEO differently compared to a maid right? This is the precise thing that I am trying to emphasize to you. We ALL judge unconsciously. Its human nature.
@Arabella_Rose Yes, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! But I am asking you, if you can accept, and be part of the CHANGE, and CHOOSE to see beyond the stereotypes, and see the PERSON, rather than being stuck in the rigid DOGMA, that is going nowhere, and helping NOBODY!Can you UNDERSTAND THAT? :) : )
@JackSmy Often many people think that we can choose to not judge, but trust me, it is human nature for us to judge people. And frequently we do it without even us knowing it. If you were to talk down the street with a man with sagging pants, hands in his pockets, dirty t shirt, and face hiding in a dark hat. You will probably find yourself tense up or be more cautious versus to walking down the street by a man were dressed in a button up shirt, and tie right? This instinct to " judge" is developed in all humans in order to protect ourselves. Intuition is also developed through life experience and judging. Have you ever had moments in your life , where you just had a gut feeling that this person is a bad / creepy person but you can't precisely pin point why you feel this way? Well you are judging this person based on your intuition.
That’s a stupid statement. Back then, there were never retarded laws like this. Just makes women gold diggers then.
NO it doesn’t make sense for assets to be split, it’s a fucking divorce! After the contract breaks, there’s no equal, what’s mine is yours.
And women who make a high salary have a harder time finding suitable guys since their dating pool is limited. So you shouldn’t blame the guy for finding someone who makes less than him.
What the fuck? Blaming the guy for marrying someone with a “low-worth”? Your personality is low-class and you’re a total gold digger. You’d get rich from divorce.
@modelUN242 well if you do not want a gold digger, then date women who make similar income as you. Don't make 180k , marry someone who makes minimum wage then cry when they take half your assets upon divorce. If you looked for a woman who made at least 100k then you won't be crying as much. Or if you don't want your assets to be split, then never get married. Make good choices in life.
You do know women who make a lot of money could quit their job once they settle for that rich guy? Or take maternity leave and then decide that they prefer to be a housewife instead. a lot of rich guys have housewives.
@Arabella_Rose everything you said is complete and total horseshit. first the ceo of amazon jeff bezos did get divorced and she got over 20 billion dollars of his stock. she was never a billionaire until she divorced him and second he got his startup money from his mommy and daddy and a bunch of millionaire investors so you're complete lack of knowledge is astounding. Also i've seen what you call educated investment banker men and most of them I've dealt with were complete morons and completely useless. i've had the same amount of knowledge as those pinheaded saps with the exception of options trading which i can't stand so that argument gets null and void. also i myself am a college grad which is a completely useless degree something i can now officially wipe my ass with (the worthless piece of paper as a degree) whereas the woman i love was homeschooled and holds no more than a ged. you really need to educate yourself before judging people. because i can tell you 99% of everything you spewed off holds no validity.
@Arabella_Rose i'm actually glad you brought that example up about the jeans vs suits because when i was an applicant at a business i talked to the owner and on his desk he had two piles of resumes and applications one pile was his reject list and the other was his possible hiring list. guess which was bigger. his reject list and do you know what he did with that list right in front of me? he threw it right in the garbage right in the trash can in front of me. and majority of those people on the reject list had suits on not ripped jeans but well dressed button down shirts ties shoes dress pants etc. not to say there weren't applicants in that reject pile who weren't wearing jeans because some of them were but a lot of them were dressed in suits or dressed nice and still got rejected. so you're assumption was flat out wrong about the suits vs jeans. also i can tell you for a fact that in this world it's not a matter of what you know or how you dress but who you know when dealing with business and who you know will get you a lot farther then what you know or how you're dressed
@Arabella_Rose and also i would treat a janitor with the same amount of respect i would a ceo because i've seen and dealt with some pretty dumb fucking ceo's in my day who didn't know what the fuck they were doing on the job. i've dealt with dumb bitches like vicki hollub ceo of occidental who was a complete fucking screwup and the only reason she still has a job was because of a stipulation made by myself, carl icahn, and other shareholders at an semi annual stock holder meeting (except buffett) that the board of directors and especially the chairman of the board will leave and be replaced but the ceo stays which pissed not only myself but a lot of other investors off. also another example of an incompetent ceo was Brian Krzanich the biggest screwup intel ever hired. it got so bad he had to be fired and put on the never to rehire list. then his successor another incompetent screwup bob swan was just as bad but not nearly as bad as brian. So just because you're a ceo doesn't mean you're a good one and sure as hell doesn't mean you deserve the position you're put in. Also look at kathleen kennedy the biggest screwup at disney and only has her power for 2 reasons. 1 she's the only female exec there and firing her would be bad pr and 2. she only made the billions because of the star wars brand on her fuck up disasters she had coming out but when she wasn't directly involved with any of the projects they were successful but when she was they turned out to be a complete and total disaster.
@Arabella_Rose and i've seen janitors who had more brains and business skills then ceos themselves in my years of being an investor in various multibillion dollar corporations
@Rob17792 You just sound like a jealous bitch with your rant.
@modelUN242 Rich men tend to marry other rich , well educated women. This is because rich people tend to be above average in intelligence, attend top colleges, and very ambitious. So these rich guys tend to be surrounded by other similar, very smart people. If you attend harvard, there is a good chance all your friends will be ivy league material. It is likely your wife will also be very smart. If you work at an investment bank as a billionaire, you will constantly be working and surrounded by around other ambitious career women. Your wife will likely be a career woman. People tend to marry those who they see daily in their social circles. And rich successful well educated guys tend to not want to marry maids or bathroom cleaners. They are aware they are well above their league. why would you marry someone who cleans poop , when you can get a woman who is smart, well educated, ambitious, has accomplishments?
@Arabella_Rose sorry i completely worded part of my response wrong. the stipulation to keep that fuckup vicki at her job was agreed to by myself, carl icahn, and other investors. the stipulation was brought to us and other investors by the potential new chairman of the board who originally gave that screwup vicki her job as ceo and in order to bring him back as chairman that stipulation had to be agreed upon by myself, mr. icahn, and other shareholders to get the old chairman of the board out. and when mr icahn tried buying the company the cunt vicki used the poison pill and in case you're not familiar with the poison pill it's a term used when a ceo thinks one or more or a group of investors or a hedge fund firm plans on outright buying a company the poison pill diludes the shareholders value of stocks in the company giving the stock holder less power by adding more shares to the company diluding the current value of the stocks.
@Arabella_Rose bottom line just because a person dressed in suits and is a ceo doesn't mean shit when they're complete fuckups at their job and somebody who holds no more than a high school diploma and works as a janitor can have more brains than a ceo of a multi billion dollar corporation who can run it to the ground
@Rob17792 ok. so just walk into your job interview with a dirty t shirt and ripped jeans and dirty unwashed hair. nobody will judge you. everyone will want to hire you with that outfit
@Arabella_Rose actually yes i have walked into jobs with jeans tshirts etc and yes i have gotten hired by multiple companies and i've also turned a lot of companies down because the owners were incompetent morons who didn't know what the fuck they were doing or how to run a business
@Rob17792 you can only get hired with a dirty t shirt, ripped jeans, and ratty hair. Go to a top investment bank where people earn billions, security won't even let you in.
@Arabella_Rose when a store owner who's in his mid 50's divorced a couple of kids sitting at a cubical running the company to the ground by not hiring the appropriate staff and taking personal calls on company time about the gardener repaving his lawn and backyard yes i have turned the positions down after being hired. or when another owner works in a slightly bigger cubical and doesn't know how to work the software of his own company to schedule me for my start times and doesn't know how to follow through with getting the proper background checks and paperwork done on time or in an appropriate time and pays shit nickle and dime shit then yes i too have turned down positions like that as well after being hired especially with all the half assed stipulations they try presenting to me after i get hired.
@Arabella_Rose actually i have gone to top investment banks with ratty hair and jeans and tshirts as you put it and they did let me in and to name a few td ameritrade, fidelity, charles schwab goldman sachs shall i go on?
@Rob17792 Well you can certainly walk into your job interviews wearing a dirty t shirt , ripped jeans, matted hair. Lets just see how it goes. If first impressions do not matter at all. haha
@Arabella_Rose lets see i been in bank of america citizens bank santander bank all talking to investment people and i been in these places also with tshirts jeans and ratty hair as you put it not in suits etc
@Rob17792 by the way you write, i can tell you have never worked at any place else other than maid service.
@Arabella_Rose and every single one of those multibillion dollar companies who i mentioned had at least a few incompetent morons running it at one point and when they seen my portfolios they were impressed by my business investment strategies
@Rob17792 well if it were so easy to get into those investment companies, why aren't you in it?
@Arabella_Rose right that's why i only gave you a shit ton of personal life experiences and examples. i'm doing responding to your pettiful troll bullshit because at this point i can tell you're just a pathetic attention seeking troll and i'm threw wasting words with you
@Rob17792 you barely know how to write, why would i listen to you?
@Arabella_Rose i don't work for any of those companies for 3 reasons 1. i do all my own investing 2. i never bothered getting any series licenses 3. all those licensed brokers became reduced to call center agents so why waste the hard earned money getting a series stock broker license when all they do is answer phone calls and do the same exact shit i do without the license for free and without wasting hundreds of dollars getting all those series licenses
@Rob17792 so why are you still angry and hating on rich people? you certainly don't sound happy that dressing up nicely in suits will gain you more respect than wearing a dirty t shirt.
@Arabella_Rose wtf are you going on about? i never said i hated rich people or angry at them and dressing up in suits means nothing just as dressing in jeans means nothing
@Rob17792 i never understood why you had such an angry rant.
@Arabella_Rose i never had an angry rant. all you been doing is making wild inaccurate inexperienced comments and opinions with no validity to back any of it up
@Arabella_Rose all you did was make wild and inaccurate assumptions and comments with no real life experience to back any of it up
@Rob17792 you were angry, hateful too. your rants are posted above and most are even unreadable.
@Arabella_Rose The only way for you to become rich and successful would probably be sucking the top positions off, that’s what my bf’s mother probably did. And she’s also Asian.
@modelUN242 the key to riches is through an education. Unlike someone like you who can’t even survive university
@Rob17792. Only a poor man would hate on the reality that we all respect a well dressed man over a homeless looking man.
@Arabella_Rose Good luck getting to the top sleeping with the top men.
@modelUN242 At least I am gonna get to the top, unlike someone like you who married a broke man, struggling to feed your kids, can't send your kids to college, staying stuck in a sexless marriage with a husband who can't walk.
WOMEN* get it too much.. new phone trying to get used to it, sorry 😅
Hopefully we are not Grammar Nazis over here. our demonic system has produced another messed up system it's called The Red Pill mgtow movement and I can't even shake my head fast enough. The Bible says God hates divorce because we ain't built for this you see all those one bedroom single room hi Tower buildings being built downtown everywhere people not living together no more you can see this more polarized in Japan people just die alone absolutely tragic.
@yofuknutz You make a good point.
"(also including sex, cooking etc...)"That would be more comparable to alimony (when one partner continues to give some of their income to their partner after they're broken up).This question is discussing a division of assets that have already been obtained during marriage, which would be more equivalent to splitting child custody (the kids already exist so the parental rights are evenly split).
@mistixs ah. Thanks for the clear-up. I guess I'll shut up then.
No other partner decided to do that of their on free will... nobody forced them to do it and woman should stop acting like weak ass pussies in court.Why should other person have to pay the price for your judgment?earning is not male responsibility in 21st century and neither are woman !
@AlphaGhost If it’s agreed that one stays home and makes no money, free will as it be, they shouldn’t leave with no chance of stability WHOEVER it may be. It’s not a gender focused solution.
Nope its usually never agreed woman automatically assume that and sit on their ass, anything like stealing 50% of men wealth should be allocated as clause in marriage certificate which men have to agree to like its in my Religion.Islam leaves amount to be decided by both parties at marriage and its integral part of ceremony, where can have anything if other person agreed to it and we are doing it for like 1400 years now and nobody ever had problem with it. It even gives extra security to woman cuz its literally written on marriage-paper (also 1400 years old) with both parties signature and signatures of 4 witness, so men can't complain and run away from responsibility otherwise court will automatically transfer his personal property worth the agreed money to woman.Its not West vs East thing, I personally believe its better solution as compare to ripping men-off cuz he can't complain after this and our marriage laws are far better as compare to you guys, like Gov will automatically extract property out of husband and transfer it to kids... you can't kid of one mother over another or divorced spouse.
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@AlphaGhost my point still stands, I don't know what you were looking to prove but my opinion hasn't changed. thank you for the conversation
and it's because of women like you i chose to not marry when i was younger
@Rob17792 He was the one who spoilt things. I got what I was entitled to..But even if you are not married it can cost if split
The word they're entitled to see how that works. So how do you spoil things we'd like to know
@yofuknutz My ex husband worked away a lot, staying in different hotels.Seeing different women a lot of them prostitutes.It was only until I saw all the condoms on suit case. I became suspicious. and when we had sex he used a condom, I knew he had been up to something.He eventually told the truth he had picked up a sti.So I got myself checked out and it came back clear.He moved out and moved into his apartment he used when in London.The settlement, was I got this house and a allowance for lifeWhich was agreed in the prenup.
I agree it is subjective. Not every marriage is the same. Personally I'm not gonna leave my wife broke if she isn't the one that makes the money. I'd give her some assuming she wasn't a gold digger that planned it all along. I'd help her with connections etc etc. But I don't have bad break ups so that is part of it.
@TrainingDay yeah I think there’s too many factors like children compensation. Like in the beginning you did love this person at one point.
There is an extra law that protects your goods
thank you my thoughts exactly!!! let her keep whatever she makes and earns and let him keep whatever he makes and earns. the only time anything should be halves is when the couple are together