As a woman who understands men, and totally tries to open up lines of communication so that men are understood by women better, and so that women understand that men due really feel unappreciated most of the time, I appreciate your opinion on this. Sometimes men perceive women as playing games, when in fact it is the inability to effectively communicate. Not all the time, but sometimes. I agree about the hook ups, I am not sure if the younger generation really know how to effectively date. I feel sorry for them.
@miamigirl1970 I feel it's a communication deficit and they aren't taught. A lot are discouraged and depressed by the whole thing.
Dates def unappreciated...
Thanks for MHO.@miamigirl1979 you're welcome. I do think it's a lack of communication too. Either that or it's bad communication with hidden messages, I. e. wanting the guy to try harder or playing the waiting game before replying to a text. I prefer girls who are straightforward but they seem rare these days.
What is it that she is not doing?
kissing, sex, telling him how she really feels about him, making an effort to see him or talk to him, treating him with the same respect her treats her. ... etc the list goes on but these are the most common, no girl owes any guy sex or even to like him i understand that, but dude if you wanna be asked out, picked up from your home, taken on a date, paid for and treated with respect , in a romantic way and want to feel like the best girl in the world at the end of night , i believe we can both agree you have to put something on the table as well.
@IceCubedude That's more than reasonable :) Do women just not do that or something?
sadly many women dont, fortuantely i never actually took a girl on a fancy date lol so i never had to worry about that , but i will tell you about a situation that happened to me.this girl is not attractive , she is slutty, had sex with many guys and 3 of them being my friends, she's easy as simple as that, iam much more attractive than all of my friends or any of the guys she had sex with, she knows it, i know it and all the girls i know do too, i tried sleeping with her once and she didn't want to go past 2nd base, i tried asking her out after a couple months (we were both busy) but suddely she started demanding i take her somewhere and buy her an expensive birthday gift, and treat her like a boyfriend (whenever i see her, hug her tightly and talk to her like a boyfriend would) it all sounds like normal teen behaviour except... when you think about it and realize she beded at least a dozen of men who never had to do any of that you start to see the problem...
@IceCubedude You need to take better girls out, js:)
lol yeah thats why i cut contact with her and moved on she is good for sex not for actual dating a relationships, good girls are hard to find these days plenty of men i know suffer from the same problem as me, plenty of hoes and no enough quality girls, and the hoey ones are asking to be treated like how a good quality girl would be treated...
@IceCubedude On one hand, that's guaranteed sex but on another she's the town bicycle.
@IceCubedude @asker Sex and kissing isn't a big deal to me at first, but to me, it's about whate IceCubeDude said after, the treating with respect, texting or calling, making time to go out, have a real conversation... you don't really find this in many women. I don't know if it's because they have so many options nowadays, and thanks to social media their egos are bigger than ever, but it's like they don't feel they have to put any effort, like guys will still come to them if they don't put any effort. That's why I don't really bother going out on dates anymore, cause girls my age just want the attention and to be treated like a princess.The example you gave is something I've seen a lot. Girls who easily sleep around with every guy, but when a better guy comes around, she thinks she deserves him and demands a lot from him. That's why I don't seriously date promiscuous women, cause they act that way, and I don't like that.
i really can't wrap my mind around the way some girls act, i have been trying to figure out for a while why when i meet girls who are obviously slutty and sleep around they suddenly turn good girls and treat me like boyfriend material... iam like "wtf? what iam doing wrong" and here's the thing iam not doing anything wrong lol i just have this efect on girls...
@IceCubedude Yeah. I don't wanna sound bitter or be like "all girls suck", not at all, I know for a fact that there are plenty of girls out there who are amazing and would be incredible gfs, the problem is finding them xD Like I said, guys are tired, tired of putting the effort for a woman who slept with a guy that the only effort he put on her was walking up to her and asking for sex. Also girls who date multiple guys at a time because they're not "serious" yet, so they date 5 guys... I personally put my all for one girl while she's dating 4 other guys? Not gonna happen.I was super close to get serious with this girl who said she wanted to love me and all that crap, but then she told me that one day she fucked a dude who was just straight out of jail -_- I told her it was over and she said "why? I didn't do anything wrong, it was just sex". Are you fucking kidding me? I was so astonished by that answer, I started laughing.It's a sense of entitlement.
Good girls do exist my friends are dating some, i have relatives who are good and pretty as well so iam sure they are out there but as you said , finding them is getting harder each day , i have no idea where to start even lol.and yeah some girls are straight out unrleasitic and entitled, they feel its their life and body so they are free to deny a guy they want easy sex while giving it to a guy who they dont see a future with because he was hot or simply they couldnt catch feelings with such a guy.a girl i dated once rejected me, she fell for an aggressive guy who she claimed seemed safe and she could never fall for somone like him but she did, i turned into a little bitch, i improved physically a lot and ignored the hell out of her, a couple months later she was all over me, even giving me massages and touching me here and there and flirting with me, she even messages me sometimes.you have the right to do what you want, just dont expect others to approve.
@IceCubedude I'm still feeling grossed out and baffled that the one girl fucked a guy who just got out if jail and wondered why you were offended! I'd be offended too:/
it wasn't my story but yeah i agree thats just wrong on so many levels lol, and she's wondering why he broke it off...
@IceCubedude She's a thot lol.
No many women do not do that and feel the rest is "owed" to them for sharing their time...
Thanks for mho
A factor for sure...
Maybe you're right lol. I'm just curious.
I see way too many guys on here claiming MGTOW or getting mad about paying for a date. IRL i have not once run into any guy like these that i see on here. I could speculate as to why the difference, but it'd only be speculation.
I think it's just lack of class and social comfort but I'm trying to see if it's more.
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What if she asks you out? I understand the money situation.
i have no problem going on a date and asking a girl out, even buy her a small meal or some dessert but nothing expensive as i lack the money, after a few months of dating and seeing she's actually worth it , i will start making an effort to buy her more stuff and take her on better dates.as for her asking me out, i dont mind i will gladly go out with her it could result in a relationship or not, depends on how much i like the girl but either way iam still not really buying her anything expensive or taking her somewhere fancy or acting super romantic, its too much effort to do this for every girl you meet in hopes of her liking you.
and as i mentioned , some girls will make guys wait and actually work for something they gave others for free, the hard working guys can be hot and smart but for some reason the girl decided she wants him to actually work hard to get her which if you look at it from a logical standpoint is a waste of time and effort.
Ok. That makes sense. Does not have to be expensive. Women just like getting out of the house lol.
lol yeah we all do and i did go on cheap dates so iam pretty sure that plenty of women aren't going to make a fuss about a guy not taking her to a fancy resturant but they again you have some who want to be treated like princess... but in all honesty, why should any man who doesn't know you or know if you're worth his time make such a commitment and put so much effort from day one?as a guy i have to approach girls and iam cool with that, i am also cool with the fact that i've gotta be romantic, buy them stuff and lead the way , but i also expect girls to be worth it.
How do you know if they are worth it if you don't take them out? Girls put clues out there when they really like someone.
Usually dates are how people get to know each other i understand that and its probably better that way. but still, you can tell a lot about someone from being around them or stalking them on social media/ asking about them , for me a girl is worth it when she is attractive to me, nice, caring, doesn't have to be a genius but smart enough and not naive, not slutty or sleep around , respects me and comes from a good backround.i went out with a girl once who was fluent in french, she would speak half the sentence in french and the other half in English which was so annoying, she also acted like she's super hot even though she was barely a 7, and above all that she would flirt with other guys and dress really slutty... one date was enough.
I'm fluent in French lol:) She was irritating. That's reason enough Yo☆
i like smart girls with talents and skills but please dont remind me every 5 seconds what you can do lol
No one likes that lol. Bragging is unattractive.
yeah i agree even guys who brag are annoying as well
They don't need to spend a wad if cash ir keep picking up the tab. They just need to ask her for coffee or something once.
Well eventually they will want you take them to a fancy restaurant or at the very least spend something somewhat expensive on her.
You mean she should take the initiative and ask the guy out? Wouldn't he be put off?
She can either ask a good guy to go on a date with her or she should change her selection process to allow a good guy to approach her. Because up to now , she is attracting only bad guys. So change in the selection criteria could help her find a better match.
What if she offers?
Then they'll somehow be emasculated. I don't know in real life guys still take girls out on dates lol. Although the advent of dating apps has definitely watered down the number of dates between people. In days gone by, you used to get to know someone in person THEN ask them out on a date and find out more intimate things. These days you ask all the intimate questions via text and dates turn into hookup opportunities.
Good to know, ty:) Makes sense!
They used to bring you flowers. Now they just want to give yoi dick pics lol.
Lmaoo they could send u a bouquet of dick pics
I've brought flowers and been accused of being a player type v just saying thank you. Like shit, I could've not spent 50 bucks and kept you interest? Better yet, me bringing flowers made me seem shady. Awesome... women are killing this dating thing more than men!
@Paultripp Probably true
That's classy bringing flowers.
Yep, was the third date too. Not like I was just trying to buy her or something...
@Paultripp She isn't very bright then...
I think it's more certain women being used to not being treated well anymore, so when you do it you stand out. Unfortunately not often in a positive way, or they think u don't have anything to offer, so you bring flowers...
@Paultripp How sad! If a guy doesn't treat me well I figure he's no good, the opposite.
So dating has stopped being enough fun and so much work? Why is that?
Wow, now women have to produce ROI- I am so glad I have been married for so long.
@miamigirl1970 well to be honest with you i like the people that i spend time with to invest just as much as i do in the relationship. I would like to surround myself with people who are positive and constructive, not passive agressive and destructive.Why would i ever date such a woman?I know what i have to offer and i know who is worthy of it. Those who cannot return the favor of my kindness are not welcome on mu doorstep.
@Blitzkrieger, I agree that both should invest in the relationship equally that is for sure. I know that both young men and women these days can be full of drama and destructive behaviors. I hope I never have to worry about that dating again. It is wise that you are so sure of yourself, confidence is a great thing, and I am sure you will do great at finding someone who both gives and takes. Best of Luck
@miamigirl1970 thank you that is kind of you :).
You are most welcome!
Yes, it's totally fun:)
A lot of there aren't being asked out either.
What guys like and what girls like differs a lot.
What are guys iso lookswise when it comes to girls to date? I see ugmos being asked out sometimes so not sure you are not joking around.
YOU think they are ugly. Guys think they are hot.