^^^ Lol people who down-voted me are clueless. Most guys here just mention paying for dates. Well a lot of the time in today's society (at least here) people go dutch. So PLEASE come up with another excuse to whine about how 'unfair' dating is. Please. I dare you. We BOTH put in time and effort. Two people might do that in slightly different ways but that doesn't mean they aren't trying at all. If they aren't then they are boring and why the hell are you even dating them? And we BOTH can get our hopes up only to have them crushed. We BOTH can feel we wasted our time. If you feel your dating adventures have you shelling out far too much cash, then god damn it, don't date those people! "But I won't get laid whaaa!" *SMACK*Smarten the fuck up.
Oh and I've paid for guys on dates. So yeah... You guys can go shove it.
When I first met my now SO... we went to a concert. He won tickets. He asked me if I liked tacos. I said yea. It wasn't complicated, it wasn't effort times a million. He did and does plan dates. I always make mention of what I'm in the mood for... and often ahead of time. (Oooh. We need to grab Pho soon. Just phooooo!") Long after having finished the dating phase, I pay for things randomly. Insistently. But, money aside, I make it no secret that I do enjoy letting him lead. I like him having final decision. I don't object to the subtle nuances of our gender roles and I also don't abuse them.
I just take this post as pretty misogynist and I'm not one to cite that. It seeks to insinuate a negative viewpoint on woman as a whole. His problem wasn't that he didn't cater to her... but that he didn't even do the things a normal person would do for someone they consider a FRIEND.
So it was a dick move on his part because she assumed he would do everything? The fact is it is still expected for him to do all of this stuff despite women claiming they want equality and want to be treated as equals. That can't really be blamed on the guy, that's on the woman for expecting special treatment.
No. I said why it was a dick move. I didn't say all of it I just said he didn't even give her the same decency one would offer a MALE friend. That wasn't all gender thing... if he treated friends like that... is he really being a friend? So the proper contrast would have been for him to only do as much as one would do for a friend. Not COMPLETELY refuse to do ANY thing that might accommodate someone he wants to build a connection with. Would he make his friend pay? Yea. But he wouldn't be like "Ah man sucks for you dude." He'd have addressed it like "Really man? You forgot your wallet? You're such a flake sometimes. At least give me a heads up if you're gonna throw it on me like this. And to wait for the bill to tell me? You're lucky we're friends. This is a loan." And who gives their friend a single ride on one leg of the trip and immediately presses gas money?
So no, this isn't a gender thing. If ever in doubt as to whether it's a gender thing... watch it through that filter. Watch it thinking of the girl as a dude. Which parts were just unnecessary? Not because it's simply expected as romantic chivalry. And I specifically said that. You're being as bad as you guys claim feminists are now. It wasn't that he did those actions but the attitude in which they were done. No one treats a friend like that. Unless they're a dick.
But guys always pay for themselves? That's why I am confused, friends don't pay for their friends nor do they assume they would. Your pretty much on your own so why would it be necessary to let her know that she would be on her own if that is the norm? The only reason why there would be any kind of confusion would be because she anticipates not having to do those things. Except for the ride there, that one would be rather dickish if he had a car.
How am I being as bad as feminist? I am merely pointing out that she was expecting a special privilege and didn't get it and that was the root of the problem, the expectation.
Like I said... if it had been a friend he wouldn't have had the shrug attitude towards her the ENTIRE time. I didn't say he had to pay for her I said if his dude friend had done that... being realistic... he'd have reluctantly paid for it as a loan. I did NOT say she wasn't presumptive. I said in my own post that I always brought my own money. I was saying had his friend not had their wallet... he wouldn't have shrugged him off like that with such an SOL attitude.
But forcing the person to take buses, not holding off the movie time? Outright refusing to share the popcorn? Who in your group does that to each other, if anyone? Right. The selfish dick no one likes.
But what's more... down the line... we as sexes will never be equal when it really comes to it on relationships. There are a lot of things I do for my boyfriend that I don't do for my girlfriends. Fold his laundry. Stroke his balls and the myriad of other very sexually intimate things we do in the bedroom. Cuddle. Sleep in bed with him. Lay on his chest. Hold him while he lays on mine. All things I don't share with girlfriends. Among many. In terms of romance... equalize doesn't make full sense in a straight world. I date him BECAUSE he's manly and makes me feel like a woman. Because he has a soft place in him that he doesn't for his dude friends that he wants to keep me safe. I never asked for him to be like me or I'd scissor with a chick. But I don't. Because I crave manliness, not... asexuality. I do however admit that I have different views financially. I am of a provider mindset.
No, I don't need to submit him, but my compassion mixed with my drive to accomplish things in life and put my various skills to good use. And equally, I loathe the idea of burdening the one I love to feel the stress of 'doing enough' or 'earning enough' on his own like I'm not a grown adult capable of working, contributing and providing.
See what your describing is what most women describe, she doesn't have to be feminine, she doesn't have to try and please him or do any of the usual female gender role stuff, He on the other hand absolutely has to stick to his gender role, he has to take her on dates, initiate etc. He has to be traditional and she can do what ever she pleases. That's the problem, either no one is obligated to fulfill their gender role or both are obligated, anything else is exploited, hypocritical and sexist. Period.
you know... you are the first lady who types so much... was shocked with... the length.. lol especially in opinion...
Why 3 days in the woods (and not else where) will really expose all the flaws or the awesomeness?
@Cavewoman Something as simple as a 3 day sleepover is equivalent. Maybe just a day spent hiking. If he's a whimpering wuss or she's a bitchy kunt... it's going to get exposed over a day of something that is enjoyable to the average... but a torture for any spoilt brat that just wants to get laid or pull a manly man.
Plus they are activities that will require communication simply by nature... nothing is faked or "put on" as a show. It just is what it is.
That sounds awesome I've never thought of something like that before. I know what I want to do in the future, still kinda want to do some cliché dates though but that does sound cool
@D_Bone_Steak Thanks for explaining! :- )
@19magic It's best to go on cliche dates later with someone you know you like and are cool with than to end up going through a bad date... or worse, eventually finding out your date is a dancing monkey/sales-person, was fake, and finding out they were not what they made themselves out to be. in my opinion that is... but some enjoy a free ride, wine, and dine... ora chance to pretend to be what she wants in order to get closser to a source of booty.
@Cavewoman No problem :-)
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@An average girl puts in an average effort.Haha, well-said! This is logic, right? :- )
i applaud, not because the facts are their. Cause you spoke on yourself and not generalized all women in the sense.
alpha males dont pay for the giels food
the best answer, so honest. You are awesome
Nobody should pay for anybody else's shit, alpha or not. Someone should offer that when they feel like they want to, but neither party should expect anything.
I agree that their should be some sort of plan. The issue these days is that guys don't want to go on dates they want to just get a girl. Girls become attracted to guys they feel close where as guys go 50-60% for looks. Woman are much less superficial. Don't get me wrong tho. In my mind a girl does need to have C or D cups and or a nice butt for me to give them a second look.
but how can you expect to "get a girl" if you dont feel like dating. that is so contradicting and makes no sense.
That is my point, a lot of guys don't want to go on dates they want to just get the girl. It is a contradiction and it is why many guys fail.
listen to my words men are burnt out trust me
I'm burned out as shit by dating and all the heartbreaks, can't wait to find a good sweet girl to settle with.
Search "MGTOW" on YouTube.
@curiousperon lol those guys are dumbasses. You're young, don't let them pollute your mind.
Why are they DUMBASSES
Dm me if u can
@curiousperon he is right MGTOW is dumb dont fall for it
@curiousperon because they're blaming women for all their failures, that seems pretty immature to me. It's equivalent of a man throwing a tantrum because he can't get what he wants
Hold on hold on. That's not close to bring true maybe in the beggining of the relationship they do that, but later there's no chance that you guys are so nice to us. Hahahahaha
@Adwait77 you believe in marriage?
HOAAH , you believe in marriage?
That's a bunch of bullshit
@MrSelfless yes I do... married almost 8 years.
You are a rare case. 99% of all other women expect to do nothing
last date I was on, she hardly asked me any questions. hung out with my crush in a group setting over the weekend, she barely kept the convo going. where are the good ones?
Not online, as I've learned lmao
@Dude_91 the thing is, i met him in grade school and we kind of knew each other. It was easy to build rapport because we knew some of the same people from school. Another thing is, since he knew me he asked about things i already liked and vice versa. It's not easy for me to interact with a total stranger. We also started romancing each other on Facebook before meeting up. Good luck.
That's clearly not a typical case
Guys do most of those things too
@fsu19 i never said guys dont put in effort?😊 I know guys put a lot effort into it as well, but sexes do.
It's more of looking at things that guys do that women don't worry about which is usually money, making the important decisions, etc. What do women do that men don't worry about that makes the statement that men do more wrong?
@fsu19 who does more wrong? I don't think women worry more than men.
or how about how she paid for the bus lol
@19magic that too haha
the dude said take the free bus 4 blocks down. PAY ATTENTION!!!
She sneaked into the movie theater
Do you like Wendy's?
what country is this is wanna move where there's free buses
@19magic Exactly. lol
Practicality. MYYY mannn. Lol. This isn't a date thing... he was just being awkwardly stubborn to a point of callous.
What do you mean?
Scarlet is a lovely name, we're thinking Scarlet if we have a girl. Are you ok?
Yeah I'm fine, just having an early life crisis
It really is unfortunately. Very sad.
Actually its very sad. The emotional attachment has no part left after all that.
yep, this is actually a good thing
pros and cons
Approach youAsk you outPay for the dateCarry the conversation
girls can do all of that as welland gave to carry the convinced too
He didn't say women can't, He simply said that's what men do and that's what's expected of us.
No wonder she's inactive she gave such a stupid answer.
I did have a debate with a guy friend about this today. I saw a post in a different forum say they were a family of 3 living on 24k. From that alone, my guess could have been wrong but I was repulsed by the idea of that. Knowing they were probably struggling and she was just letting him do it all on his own and most likely at home all day with her own thoughts since they can't AFFORD for her to do anything else on that salary. We went round about it... him defending that maybe she provides 'emotional support'. No bc a woman connected enough to be emotionally sensitive to the man whom she lovvves like that would not be leaving him to figure it out on his own while she does jack sh**. We finally agreed that if it was truly matter of no effort, she was indeed trash and if there were underlying details that GENUINELY prevented her from it and nothing could be done in their situation... and I mean NOTHING... then maybe she was a good woman who might provide him with other support.'
My other guy friend used to tell me about his ex and the gifts he'd buy her. I asked if she bought him gifts too. He was like "She didn't need to do that! Her presence was enough for me. She was there." I was like "Then you too. They don't need gifts. Her relationship with you is good enough. She gets gifts when she can give them. It goes both ways. You're worth more than the gifts you give... and if a girl REALLY cares she's gonna want to give you gifts back or she ain't sh**.•
@BrighteyedAsh You're first guy friend has every reason to be disappointed. Emotional support doesn't help pay the bills and bring in extra money. I'd tell her to go get a job and double the income. 42k makes a big difference compared to 24k. Watching the person you "supposedly" care about and take no action doesn't come across as supportive. You're other guy friend... I don't know. I guess he just doesn't want to be lonely or whatever. Being there doesn't work for me. I value teamwork and being accounted for the same responsibilities. I don't want to put in effort while she just sits there and watches it's stupid. I think it's a superficial relationship, the guy is acting out of loneliness or desperation (in my opinion) and the girl is receiving all this materialistic shit and doesn't give them back or tell him to stop. That's why I don't like sugar daddy/sugar baby relationships that's what you're 2nd guy friends relationship reminds me of.
Damn bro nice muscles
@scorpioDude yup I'd like to get beaten by her.
fuck is y'all on, that's the shit girls be talm bout. y'all dudes on some weird shit online and be confused on why she ain't say hi back. get kninky when she gives the go
@10_Inch_Girl lmao chill , what's kinky in this? Lol
10 inch girl? u have a dick bro?
you just said wanna get beat up, fuck u mean?
dont worry about, worry why the ni🅱🅱a under you wanna get his ass beat by a chick
cuz he's into that freaky shit. calm down baby
@10_Inch_Girl No , I didn't mean that. Wait! It was just to appreciate your muscular body you achieved who can beat men out.
your appreciation is a little off my guy, you might wanna reconsider your flirty phrases.and I'm chill 🅱, also don't me baby cuz. i don't know u and u don't know me
@10_Inch_Girl reconsider your judgmental mind. I've already told you what I meant.
ni🅱🅱a you reconsider😂😂😂
just say nigga... like wtf lmao
@10_Inch_Girl I have nothing bad for anyone to reconsider.
other than muscle appreciation, idfk anything bout u.ni🅱🅱a i do as i please
by the way 10inch girl.. your dick is longer than mine
u should be proud
aight chill wit the gay shit
You're the coolest ever!!
yo chill out tho. ima hit yo ass 10inch girl
see now you doin too much😂😂😂
maybe I should do more then 😉😉
nah im cuul. you on some other shit
so basically your telling me. I have no chance with you
nigga you took an L in the first comment. fucks no😂😂😂😂 You smokin dicks
Okay Know you listen to me! I have a chance with every girl! that includes you! no why? because I'm awesome
fuck you ain't
bitch the door
how about I open your door tonight
@scorpion what's asf?
🅱oi you ain't learnin
English is foreign language to me.
what language u speak
@10_Inch_Girl Hindi Punjabi
i played a song like that on just dance 2014 i think. I respect your place bruh
up me and the girl r talking. go away
It's hard to get abbreviations , slangs , phrases , something double meaning etc..
we really aren't. im just gonna keep replyin to send screenshots to the homies cuz you on some other shit and iys funny af
@10_Inch_Girl Thank you!!
its all good selfies just be you
bro u have no homies. u a Lame
@10_Inch_Girl That's awesome
says the ni🅱🅱a tryna get pegged. get yah ass outa here
wut? yo talk normal. this is gag not the hood
make me pusky😂😂😂 fucks u goanna do on the internet
u used it wrong dh😁
im too origianl to copy
@scorpioDude you believe in married life?
i bet it took u 10 minutes to dind that damn emojicon didn't it
@10_Inch_Girl you believe married life?
u must be a black girl. because black people don't know how to stop talking
wtf NO! I DONT BELIEVE IN THAY SHIT!
woooooow you a bit rascist too. now i see why you like what u r now
yeah i believe it cuz people did it already. it just depends on if the person is ready too or not is the real question
I'm just playing 🅱🅱🅱🅱🅱🅱
@10_Inch_Girl I believe women should ask for marriage before they move in. Guys who take them seriously would always be ready for Marriage.
I guess that was the reply to my question right?
hmmmmmmm, depends on what they choose to do first. i see what you sayin though. it just seems like most of the times the closer a couple gets the more they find about themselves and they partner. she might not be a keeper like u though when she moves in. I don't know i havnt had much experience wit the shit to keep it a bean
getting married is stupid. it never works out. why waste you time
@scorpioDude Nah , I think it's good.
my type of girl lol
me? cuz im not sure if its me or the muscle chick
wow I'm looking at your profile picture and u r very beautiful
You're going to get into trouble soon.
maybe I like trouble bro
What effort do you put in? Trying to figure out which lipstick matches your shoes?
You believe in marriage?
well not something I strive for but I do want a sound relationship u?
I think when two lover wants o get married , it makes their relationship stronger.
I don't necessarily agree, no worries
Yeah no worries be yourself.
I don't have any, but thank you for pointing out that I don't have any. :-)