Haha that's the basis for a comedy sketch right there, a zionist jew dating a "neo" nazi... There's nothing new (neo) about "Nazism"; "Nazi" was a term coined by Winston Churchill to defame the name of *National Socialist Democratic Workers Party* - the fact that a love for ones people and blood is conflated with being a totalitarian war monger, should only then make people realise that it was the warmongering liars that won WWII...The victors write history... And all those other cliches.
I'd probably be in the same boat.
as long as they're moderately left i wouldn't give a shit.unless they're bitching about political shit all the time.
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smh. clearly you don't care about bringing our nation together... NOT!!!
Somehow, I doubt you're the one doing the choosing.
@creampie99 And the current administration and Republican leaders, like McConnell and Hatch, do? Let's wake up please.
Haha bigjake I was thinking the same thing.
It's incredibly naive of you to say that people who are not educated on the issues are moderate on centrists. We know what the issues are, we just actually have our own opinions instead of getting swept up in mob mentality.
@jimyee The vast majority of people don't have extensive political education. The majority of people also tend to be moderate, opposed to far right or far to the left. Putting my own experience with moderates aside, which definitely doesn't reflect an especially educated group, these are simply the realities of a modern social and political climate. We discourage discussion of politics and most people do not think about politics much or possess the knowledge or understanding that makes the issues digestible in the first place. So this is less about "they are like this because they are moderates," and more of an inconvenient truth about how the majority of people in general tend to function. Admittedly, I do tend to find/think that the more educated the person, the more leftist. However, it is possible to be very educated and moderate. I'd say that looks worse to me, but that's beside the point really.
In my experience extremists are the least educated. They're easily manipulated into blindly following the most controversial things they are told to. They're rarely rational, that's why they're are called extremists.
@jimyee And I would disagree with your assertion that moderates uniquely have their own opinions, because I'm pretty familiar with centrists and repeating rhetoric without understanding an issue more in-depth is very common. People tend to be moderate because that's what society conditions them to be. The framework of American politics doesn't even make allowance for equal coverage of opinions or open discussion, especially as far as leftists are concerned. The vast majority of moderate liberals I meet in public have no clue what I'm talking about when I mention leftist theories, socialism, or hell, a lot of them don't even firmly understand what capitalism is. This is, arguably, a large part of why they're centrist liberals.
@jimyee Personal experience is valid, but thinking objectively is important to understand reality. Do you actually think the vast majority of the American public is very educated in politics and the issues surrounding it? If you live in some bastion of political and philosophical brilliance, please let me know so I can visit! Because I've only ever lived in very very liberal cities and I have not found this utopia. Sounds like home. But logically, if we know that most people are moderate/centrist, and we also concede that most people are not interested in nor educated in the function and issues of politics, then it would follow that "the majority of people are moderate and not very educated in these issues" is a rational and accurate statement. That makes sense at least?
Typical extremist. Hiding behind "anonymous" and typing forever while stating basically nothing.
@NYCQuestions1976 lol If you think I haven't said anything here, that just kind of proves my point really. Oh well, we leftists are pretty used to moderates not listening. What else is new? Pretty much how we got in this situation in the first place, but meh.
I read and understood everything that you typed, crystal clear. It's arrogant presumption on the part of every extremist... both on the left and the right... to think that they know what's best for at least 80% of the population that are generally reasonable and can figure things out on their own without drooling balloon headed fools telling them how to live their lives.
@NYCQuestions1976 I'm not going to argue with you on who knows what's best, nor was that mentioned in anything I posted (even if I do feel that way, yes). My post mentioned the fact that most people are not very educated in politics, because they aren't. To argue otherwise is absolute delusion, only further proving my point. Most people will tell you *themselves* that they don't like nor do they understand politics, so I'm not exactly sure what you two are arguing about. Literally both of those statements - that the majority of people are moderate and uneducated about political issues - are undeniably true. Like what exactly are you arguing against in my initial post? Or are you just emotionally triggered right now?
"(even if I do feel that way, yes)"Exactly. You FEEL that way. You THINK you know better. You don't. Everything you posted implies that unless you're a narrow-minded leftist lunatic, educated or not, you don't know what's best for the masses or even yourself as an independent individual. That's both disturbingly and humorously laughable.No emotion being generated here... just facts. Emotions are the weapons extremists use to whip people up into an unnecessary and inappropriate frenzy. You'll get no such reaction from me.I've won many arguments in my lifetime... both here and elsewhere... because I have facts on my side. So if you're looking to engage, I'll be more than happy to intellectually destroy you at every twist and turn. If not, I suggest you stand down... because you're swinging above your class. 👍
@NYCQuestions1976 My feelings have nothing to do with facts, which again, are that the majority of people are moderate and also uneducated about politics. You haven't produced any facts, only emotional reactions to facts. I guess you think most Americans are political scholars then? That's fine, your prerogative... Too much emotional projection happening here for me, though. It's not conducive to any kind of real conversation and I don't like when I'm clearly trying to reason logically and someone only makes emotional personal attacks. You can't reason with people like that. Have a good night, both of you!
@NYCQuestions1976 lmao @ "I've won many arguments in my lifetime... both here and elsewhere... because I have facts on my side. So if you're looking to engage, I'll be more than happy to intellectually destroy you at every twist and turn. If not, I suggest you stand down... because you're swinging above your class."You clearly have no clue what you're talking about and you're obviously emotionally triggered. You aren't fooling or intimidating anyone and you look like a hostile "lunatic" yourself. Couldn't find a logical leg to stand on or actually counter my point about most people being uneducated about politics, so you project your little feelings into the conversation and then try to tell me you're intellectually superior? Where? lmao. Again, good night.
No, you're swiveling and tap dancing on and around your point. I read everything you posted three times. Under the guise of "moderate people don't care and/or uneducated about politics", you're implying that unless you're a leftist, you're uneducated OR once you become "educated", you'll be a leftist by default... and that's incoherently stupid.I do give you credit for not backing down. Most extremists dial whine-1-1 and request a wah-mbulance to take them to the nearest safe space. Well done, but you're still blatantly wrong. Good night. 👍
@NYCQuestions1976 You said: Under the guise of "moderate people don't care and/or uneducated about politics", you're implying that unless you're a leftist, you're uneducated OR once you become "educated", you'll be a leftist by default... and that's incoherently stupid.First of all, I didn't *imply* anything. I specifically said that I do find there to be a trend in more educated = more leftist. However, it is not (nor did I say or imply) that it is a hard and fast rule. Can you read? I literally said, "I do tend to find/think that the more educated the person, the more leftist. However, it is possible to be very educated and moderate. I'd say that looks worse to me, but that's beside the point really." So not only did I not imply that ONLY leftists are educated, and that there are no moderates that are educated about politics, but I very directly SAID, in words, that this isn't true. Step out of your fucking emotions and learn to read and reason clearly.
You're dancing around the point actually. The point is that most people are not educated about politics and are also moderate. Getting upset by that objective fact is you being emotionally triggered. My feelings dont matter. Those two statements are true. Whether or not I think them being more educated will make them leftist or shit rainbows is a side note. The main point is that if you're moderate and not very educated/invested in politics, which describes the majority of people, it will be much easier to date across the aisle. Pretty straight forward...
Uh oh! Dropping F-bombs. Typical of someone losing an argument when their drivel is eviscerated."However, it is possible to be very educated and moderate. I'd say that looks worse to me, but that's beside the point really."Making an absurd comment and then quickly trying to sweep it under the rug. Nice. Again, believing that one who is "educated" should somehow automatically be a leftist is the epitome of arrogant presumption.The only thing you mentioned and eluded to in your original post that's even remotely accurate is that angry sex is fantastic. Extremists on either side are carnival rides in bed. 👍😂
I love how the most well thought out answer (regardless if I agree with your politics or not) gets the most shit. Kinda supports the idea that many are unintelligent. Which I understand was not actually what you were saying. But people are too unintelligent to figure that out.
@NYCQuestions1976 the only real issue with this particular statement is claiming because she said a naughty curse word that that somehow equals defeat or something. Which is complete nonsense and if someone else said it you wouldn't think twice. You'd ignore it or say it's just part of the dialogue and to get over it "you triggered leftist snowflake". But the second she or someone else something its appears to be you who is triggered.And who cares anyway? You two will never agree. She has repeatedly said the same thing over and over again and you argue with her, then she repeats her premise (again) and continues to go down a never ending hole.
@SirRexington It has nothing to do with simply agreeing or disagreeing. I will never be a pacifist when confronting ignorance.
@NYCQuestions1976 nor should you. But I'm saying both of you appear to be ignorant of each others points. So it's redundant really.
@SirRexington I agree with what your stating when it's a simple difference of opinion. However, the foundation of her posts are flawed and not based in fact or reality. She's basically stating that anyone that's not far-leftist is generally ignorant and uneducated. Meanwhile my point, in actual reality, it's the extremists on BOTH sides that are not only uneducated, but also intolerant of the general public and more likely to be physically violent because of their irrational intolerance.
@NYCQuestions1976 right, but she has tried to explain your misconceptions about her original point. That's why I'm saying all of this is a waste of time
@NYCQuestions1976 Id argue that moderate Americans are objectively far more violent than leftists, due to their domestic and foreign policies. there's no comparison for the violence allowed and committed by the policies that moderates favor. Leftists are overwhelmingly non-violent and when we are violent, it's usually for good reason. It's also interesting to consider where violent criminals are in their politics, if you really want to try to see "who is more violent." I don't think you'd like the answer though. Do you have statistical evidence that leftists specifically are more violent than moderate democrats? Last time I checked we get stereotyped as the hippy commies in the corner talking about anti-imperialism and pacificism. The idea that we are now suddenly the most violent is kind of hilarious to me somehow. Fix your politics that ignore or condone the murder of millions and then come talk to me about how we are more violent.
You're the majority, not the morally or logically superior. There's a difference and you seem to forget that.
@SirRexington lol True, it is a waste of time. You're absolutely right. This is why politics is important to me in dating. I try to stick to my own kind in that sense. Much less of a headache and I don't have to be bothered by the other person's moral character or world views. Compatibility is underrated, I tell you!
So the single failing thread you're choosing to hang on to as the foundation of your losing argument is that moderates have more blood on their hands than the far-left and far-right? Are you serious? That is absolutely and patently FALSE. Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, among many other fascists, communists, imperialists, dictators, and other extremists in recent history are responsible for over a billion deaths worldwide while representing not even 20% of the world's population. Bringing up body counts in a sad and futile attempt on your part to save face in a losing effort is an extremely distasteful hobby.
@NYCQuestions1976 well i disagree with her reasoning for moderate Americans committing crime more because she said, and she's right about this part, that the majority of Americans are in the center. What we have to look at is the driving factor. Moderate leaning citizens of course would not commit acts of violence in the name of centrism. But because there are so many, it appears that they commit more crime.However, I do agree with her understanding that centrist politicians in power have in the long term, committed many acts of violence internationally and domestically through my imperialism disguised as interventionalism and our war on 3rd world countries, absorbing all the resources of those countries and supporting those countries dictators.
@NYCQuestions1976 This is going to unfortunately get you in trouble with your intellectually superior claim. 1. You do realize all the harm and murder that has happened under capitalism? It sounds like you don't, which may be an education issue that I can't possibly resolve for you (not do I care to, you're an emotional volcano). 2. You aren't comparing dictators though. You are making an argument about American politics. So my comparison and critique about moderates, for now, is restricted to that example. In American context, there's really no context for arguing that leftists are more violent than moderates. Even globally, I would disagree, given the violence and impact of slavery, colonialism, and foreign policy, in addition to neglectful domestic policies. Gosh I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over on very obvious points.The totality of damage that has been accomplished by the far reaching capitalist empire is pretty deep. You seem too eager to dismiss that.
@NYCQuestions1976 3. I dont put leftists and far right extremists in the same category, which is why I specifically challenged you on the leftist example. You only combine them because its convenient to your argument because far right extremism is notably horrible. Not really an honest argument, especially when you're hell bent on attacking my group. I'm leftist, so if you're going to attack us, do it correctly. 4. I seriously encourage a thorough research into American foreign and domestic policies alone to understand our critique of moderates. You really can't understand our moral issue with your camp if you dont understand politics. These issues are far too serious and influential/problematic today for you to conveniently bring in outlandish comparisons to Hitler.To me that doesn't sound like someone who understands or cares enough. Like most moderates, as I said before.
@SirRexington Thank you! It's so ironic to hear moderates arguing against dictators when their moderate leaders are in bed with them and have been since early American history. These same people who are obsessed with Russias role in the election dont know that we have purposely sabotaged democratically support leftist leaders in other countries, even to the point of assasinations, for our own economic gain. I hate to be that condescending person but the minute you try to pretend moderate liberals and centrists are above evil dictators is the very minute I can tell you are yet another uneducated moderate. It's also an easy defense without actually understanding the contexts. For example, Hitler was not an extremist of his time in the fringes of German society. He was actually loved and respected as one of the establishment politicians and played a huge role in German infrastructure and policy. Even comparing him to hippy ass leftists with no power makes no damn sense.
Just because you don't "like" that I pointed out that both extremists sides are violent, doesn't make it any less factual. It's foolish false folly to think democracy and capitalism are responsible for anywhere near the same amount of world misery as communism and fascism.I have more to add, but I'm a full-time single parent and I'm busy. For now, enjoy some basic leftist math:Communism + passing of time = lack of toilet paper. 👍
@NYCQuestions1976 I completely disagree capitalism hasn't caused the same misery. It just does it under the guise of freedom and advancement.And no, communism is the overabundance of resources being produced and available to all citizens. So by definition, your statement is false. But again, I'm not a communist, I merely study politcal science and have an interest in communism, as well as free market is.
@SirRexington No, it's the even distribution of goods, regardless of supply and effort... usually with others footing the bill.
@SirRexington I didn't state there's no misery or very little misery from democracy and capitalism. Even if the "misery" was even (which it's not, just playing Devil's Advocate), you're still talking about only 20% of the public (extremists) causing the same misery as the rest of the planet.
@NYCQuestions1976 If you honestly believe that, then I'm even more certain now that you don't have an extensive understanding of domestic or foreign policy. Capitalism has arguably done more harm because of the sheer reach of empires and the exploitation of people throughout the third world, in addition to inequity at home, slavery, genocide of native Americans, and structural oppression masked by this delusional romance of meritocracy and "freedom." And as rexington and I both pointed out, moderate politicians support alliances with dictators as well.And tbh I also don't believe you know much about communism either. Your rhetoric sounds like the people who actually believe czarist russia was better for people than communism. Delusion, ignorance, no facts and probably no concept of history or understanding of WHY the communist revolution happened in the first place. Seriously, all shade aside, you should read about the conditions that people exist in that lead to communism.
@NYCQuestions1976 In addition learning about the oppressive systems that lead to communist revolution, you should also explore the international context. One of the major reasons for Cuba's lack of resources and need to ration goods was *the US embargo on Cuba.* So in additional to sabotaging elections of democratically chosen leftist leaders for our own benefit, we also have the power to sanction and block trade. If you're literally being crippled economically by a global world power, you don't think there are economic consequences? The ignorant moderate who believes myths about the inherent inferiority of communism believes the narrative sold to him, without question of foreign policy. Once you have an understanding of the impact of our foreign policy, you can begin to understand the reach of capitalism and the harm it has done, and the ironic twisting of reality that your leaders feed you to keep you in line.
So for all your talk of intellectual superiority and how you win debates, we have: inability to admit that most people are both moderate and uneducated about politicsCan't admit that leftists are not more violent than moderates, and refuses to acknowledge any difference between far right and far leftIn the middle of a discussion about American political actors (moderates, far right, and far left) and violence, you reach all the way to Hitler and Stalin to back up your point, because that's somehow relevant Have the audacity to try to downplay the extensive damage and reach of capitalism, demonstrating that you probably don't know what capitalism or how it functions, let alone how our policies negatively affect people all over the worldAnd you think communism is the boogey man, and don't seem to understand the context and additional factors that have contributed to a variety of specific conditions. It's all communism.We're just in awe of your brilliance, let me tell you...
@Opinion owner can I personally message you?
Over typing nonsensical rhetoric does not make you correct in any way. Extremists are more violent then moderates because they strive for goals not based in reality. Frustration breeds contempt for the masses.Your counter in support of communism is comparing the Soviet Union and the tsar system. "This evil is better than that evil." Great argument. Yeah right.Besides being violent, communism encourages mediocrity. The system values productive members of society the same as those who choose to polish their couches with their asses.Unlike you, I have a career, I don't have time to continue for now.
@NYCQuestions1976 I have a career. You're just bad at arguing with facts, lots of assumptions and nothing to back it up and you conveniently side swipe specific points to fit your narrative. I'm curious to hear how you answer this question:1. can you define communism and explain why communism is evil to you? 2. Can you explain why the majority of people preferred the USSR if it was just as bad for the people as czarist Russia? In detail, I'm curious why you think they supported something allegedly as evil as what they revolted against? Why do Russians actual lament the failure of the Soviet Union if it was just as bad for them as czarist Russia?And 3. What exactly do you think the Soviet Union was?
@SirRexington I don't know if that's a good idea. I might accidentally get some feminism on you and then what happens? :'(
Over typing your nonsensical rhetoric does not make it any less factually incorrect.The majority of the Russian population did not "prefer" the Soviet Union in 1917. You make it sound like a taste test between Pepsi and Coke. They were revolting against the czars. The Soviet Union didn't even exist until its creation post World War I. The population had no idea what they were setting up and getting themselves into... and for all their hard work, wound up with decades of Lenin and Stalin, who would go on to imprison and slaughter millions of their own people."Why do Russians actual lament the failure of the Soviet Union if it was just as bad for them as czarist Russia?"That makes no sense. Both those events happened nearly 75 years apart. I highly doubt there were millions of people left over from 1917 to complain about 1991. The only people who actually lament the fall of the evil Soviet Union are liberal extremists who have no concept of actual reality and KGB goons like Putin.
Off to the gulag with you!!! Fucking Zionist-funded thinktanks and their lackey's, like you, is what's corrupting all forms of geo-political discourse...And don't waste your time calling me a trump supporter, he's just as bad.
@FreshOutaIdeas All politicians are embarrassing gigantic slimeballs... regardless of their party, politics, or beliefs. Perfect example: Just wait for a few months when all the Democrats will be falling all over themselves to support Trump's nationwide infrastructure bill. The same exact Democrats that have been yelling for impeachment. Also, why do you think Trump campaigned for Republicans in Senate races, but did absolutely no campaigning with any of the Republicans in the House races? He needed Democrats in the House for the infrastructure bill. Trump has also been very vocal about Pelosi becoming Speaker again instead of one of the new far-left Democrats because he knows the far-left (and the far-right, for that matter) won't get the infrastructure bill passed. Now I happen to support the nationwide infrastructure bill... but that doesn't mean all the politicians that are involved and will be involved aren't slimeballs. 👍
I agreed with you every step of the way until you said liberals use socialist rhetoric. That's always baffled me whenever there is a "socialist" running the Dems shit on them just as much as the republicans.
From what I can see most people are fine with dating someone who has different political views, but not far right trump supporters or sjw liberals.
Well, sometimes your political views speak volumes about who you are. It happens, maybe it's just an extremist thing, but it happens.
Just like AlienParasite said, you would not see a jewish/black person dating a neonazi. We can all get along, as long as people are not too much of an extremist.
An opinion being "just an opinion" is an incredibly unintelligent thing to say.Opinions are the direct reflection of your intellectual capacity and your personality, opinions are de facto what you are.There is nothing more objective to base your interest in someone than their opinions.
Damn. I’m liberal but I know where you’re coming from. I think you’re talking about the far left. The extremists. Which even though I consider myself a liberal, It doesn’t mean I agree with everything the left stands for. There are things that I agree with on the right side as far as immigration. I think both sides have their ups and down sides though.
Lol. Have you listened to any of Trump’s rallies? It begins with hatred of anything liberal, and then gets worse. He openly supports violence against liberals. He has even promised legal support to people who commit violence against those who disagree with him. He is always adding derogatory names to call anyone who has a different view than his. And by the end of the rally, he has his cult screaming against anyone who disagrees. And he labels those who commit violence against the left as “nice guys”. He has promised one ridiculous thing after another (remember Mexico will pay for it?) and then is cheered when he claims it really happened. It is hard to communicate with a group that refuses to believe its own eyes.
a lot of liberals came into his rallies to cause violence but make it look like it was his supporters. It has literally happened. He has never openly supported violence agianst liberals or anyone, that is a lie. And so many liberals openly say they want violence agianst him and republican staff in the white house. And they harras many republicans. And yea mexico supported the wall. I don't know why that is rudiculas to you
damn. there's a lot of downvotes on this thread. Run to your safe spaces, lefties. :D
I will say this though, there are two types of day leftists. The economic left and the SJW left. For instance, most socialists or Marxists can't stand postmodern leftists because their cultural ideology is rather incompatible. Marxist blame SJWs for not focusing on the real issues and SJWs blame Marxists for being too rigid.
And fascists like me hate all of them and see them all as ignorant wretches and think they should all be socially conservative and economically centrists.There are 2 types of right wing. The traditional right wing which I used to be and the alt right which I now am as I see radical action necessary to stem the tide of degeneracy that flooded our western civilization.
@Exterminatore you are a rather scary human being. And I do not say or even think that often.
You left wingers keep pushing me further and further right. Eventually I’ll make my way completely around the left right circle and end up a communist as I’ll have no further right I can go as of right now.
@Exterminatore well I'm not an SJW, they are counter productive to the socialist movement and their deconstructionist views take away from coming up with rational and historical truths that can help us actually form a solution to modern capitalism. I support family values as that is an integral part of the social aspect of community and im not a communist either because I believe and support the idea of a market.
Would you consider yourself a minarchist, not to be confused with monarchist, or a fascist?
Like seriously, because of all the SJWs and ultra left wing retards fascism is coming back in Europe and America. I’m a moderate clerical fascist. I don’t support racism or genocide or any such thing but I do support a government that will step in an end degeneracy and will stabilize the economy and will foster traditional values and will crush feminism and reinstall patriarchy and will bolster our military and will end the chaos and disorder of modern society.So yeah, count me a fascist.
I’d settle for a theocracy as well.
I know the dreaded “F” word scares people, but I’m no genocidal maniac hell bent on waging wars of aggression. I’m just a guy whose had enough of the nonsense I see around me from women complaining about an imaginary wage gap to guys turning their penis inside out and living as a woman and people applauding his as brave to an out of control welfare state to open borders.
Look up Oswald Mosley’s question for fascists. I agree with most of what he says. He was a British fascist.It’s not all evil most people think of Mussolini and Hitler when they think of fascism, and yes they were fascists but I like the political system and governmental structure, but not the wars of aggression and genocide and other vileness associated with them. I love freedom as well, but freedom without restraint becomes slavery to vice and pleasure, so since most people don’t like self control and won’t apply it, maybe a more authoritarian system is the answer. I think so. Maybe some options need to be taken off the table. Like gay marriage and feminism for starters.
I’ll look up the definition of minarchist.
@Exterminatore so, you are a Muslim? Because you sound exactly like a Muslim societal system.I must be real though, if the only reason you are this way is a reaction to SJW postmodern diversity, then that's rather immature and id strongly suggest developing ideas for yourself. I've traveled all along the political spectrum, at one point (very briefly) being an anarcho capitalist.If this is not merely a reaction to certain leftists then please ignore my original statement.But i can also assume (correct me if wrong) that you aren't a free market warrior and that you support order and safety rather than individuality and freedom?
I’d advocate a more Christian version of sharia law. I’m a Christian. It’s in part a reaction. I’ve always been a moderate conservative but now moving further right.Yes I value order and safety above all else especially above individual liberty and freedom and individuality.
No dude, fascism by definition is oppressive. And you can't support freedom and not choice. You realize your ideology genuinely is evil right? Based off what you mentioned, I'd kill you in a heartbeat if any if you tried to implement any of that. It violates human and natural rights.
Like I’d advocate jail of fines for adultery, eliminate porn access, ban homosexuality, gay marriage, and transgenderism, reinstall school prayer, ban all religions except for Christianity, Judaism, and allow atheism. I’d ban feminism and restrict the press and freedom of speech from teaching these things as “good.” I’d stop the socialital conditioning which seems present in most tv shows and movies, I’d close the borders, make all illegals here citizens and heavily fine them for entering illegally. It’s cheaper than deporting them and will help balance the national budget.
It’s not evil. Applauding people cutting off their penis as brave is evil despite the growing suicide rate and evidence these people are committing suicide due to realizing a huge mistake and suppressing such evidence is evil. Murdering children in the womb is evil.Caring more about you being a good person instead of a free person is not evil.I don’t think people ought to be free to do these things.
@Exterminatore wow, I can't tell if you are a troll or not.
Fascism also tends to be defined by its enemies as opposed to it followers and is often confused with Nazism, which is different. I dislike Nazis greatly.
I often do troll, but this I’m dead serious about.
Fascism is often conflated with narcissism as well. It has nothing to do with narcissism.
See you’re disturbed because you value freedom greatly, and see my views as oppressive.I value order and see liberalism as degenerate.
@Exterminatore fascism is described for what it is. Don't fall for the same deconstructionist bullshit SJWs do where everything is subjective and based on personal experience. Fascism is oppression, you have admitted that. Nothing you have said is better or less worse than Nazism.
I have no problem with oppression, the question Is what’s being oppressed? As of now I see the oppression of traditional society. I find that oppressive.I’d be overjoyed if I woke up tomorrow and it was 1950 again minus the racism.
@Exterminatore and don't see them as oppressive, they objectively are. And i have a right to be distributed. You are advocating for horrible things, that part is not subjective. Also, I'm not a liberal. Liberals believe I capitalism, i do not.
So I do like freedom, but only in a society where the people apply self control as opposed to applauding every degenerate behavior as “unique”.
@Exterminatore no. By definition you do not believe in freedom. There is no getting around that. It's societies job, not government to preserve order.
What horrible things? Stopping people from inverting their penis and making a mockery of marriage and ending man hating feminism? What’s so disturbing there. Promoting and allowing those things I find disturbing.
Right and society has failed. Since we all can’t seem to handle freedom properly... then maybe we need a far more authoritarian system to curtail and disincentivise immoral behavior.
PM me. We can carry on there as opposed to blowing up this thread so badly.
@Exterminatore no, the horrible things is promoting a religious dictatorship, limiting speech, imprisoning people for their sexual partners and banning expression. You can't say freedom is less important than being good, because then you aren't free to be good. You are forcing behaviors you yourself decided to asign as "good". I hate feminism, and the transgender movement is hurting society but we can't just lock people up or take away their rights. Nor should they be allowed to take away yours. And that right is to individual happiness. When you attempt to take that away, you have forfeited yours.
At first I would try to avoid giving my opinion to avoid arguments and blocking
You do realize there's a difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration, yes?
@NYCQuestions1976 see. it wouldn't work out with someone like her because she is not getting the bigger picture. trump is not against migration
@OpenWine the thing I find is even though I technically am categorized as left because I'm a left libertarian, I tend to be more right wing immigration issues. Really puts me at odds with other leftists. Though I don't know too many anymore. But i have spoken to many in forums and the social democrats tend to be tougher and less leniant on Immigration than other leftists.
@SirRexington @OpenWine I think both parties are deliberately vague when it comes to distinguishing between legal immigration and illegal immigration.
@NYCQuestions1976 literaly I think trump is not even in any of those and just doing what he thinks is right. like even the right wing does not agree with him on certain things or trys to slow him down. trump can also be leftist of some sort.so my conclusion if we go back to dating is that for me Trump seems like a dude that you first need to get to know his personality and give him a chance so he can show how awesome he actually is and in that regard I feel the same about myself since the feedback I got is that people who don't know me think I am a douche fag and people that do well complete opposite. I would argue with the girl if she brings a political topic because it may be that she just doesn't get my point, girls like argueing do they? 😂
@OpenWine I think Trump is going to suddenly find a lot of support from the Democrats (if only temporary), because in a few months, once the newly elected House and Senate are in session, he's going to being pushing his nationwide infrastructure bill.
lol not all liberals are like that. Its just the sjws you see in the media. I'm a liberal and I take my life seriously. I go to church and am not sleeping around or doing drugs.
The "liberal lifestyle" as you put it, is definitely not what you describe. I'm a liberal, but I'm also voluntarily a virgin, I'm also not into drugs, and though I am agnostic. I'm able to accept people of any political background and am to joke with them.What I'm trying to point out is that being liberal is about caring about such things global warming, health care, economic stability, the minimum wage, and immigration issues.Now being a liberal ALSO means different things to different people and some are further to the left then others.As it is I've heard and seen similar yet also somewhat different phrases from "liberal" people, who also have a misguided idea of what the "conservative lifestyle" is.What it comes down to is to many people believe what they see, hear, and read, on sites such as Facebook, Youtube, and in the news.Where it's usually the most outspoken extremist types who are painting the image of what one lifestyle is over the other.
@JazzHands How are you a liberal then? The liberal platform is against your lifestyle. If you believe in God, doesn't liberal promotion of abortion and removing religion from all public spheres worry you? If you don't sleep around, you still believe in teaching young children who are not even thinking about sex yet all about what sex is in public schools? It seems you are actively supporting people in destroying your lifestyle. Makes no sense to me.
@MScifiwriter Being celibate at 43 sounds pretty liberal to me. That is not normal by conservative standards but its not surprising by liberal standards.I've just never met someone who was a liberal who didn't act like it.
@bamesjond0069 :) I get the feeling that when you say, "I've just never met someone who was a liberal who didn't act like it." you might be thinking of those who are more prone to flaunt their politics. Sort of like the two images the OP of the topic posted. Because I've meet a lot of people whom I could never have guessed one way or the other what their political stance was. Even now that I live in a "conservative" city, there are still a good portion of "liberals" here and there who live in the city. That I only discovered were liberal once talking about politics, well it was more like we tripped into the subject of politics. I don't go around simply bringing up politics. Especially not in today's climate. :)
@bamesjondoo69 As I said before, all the points you use to define liberals are only the beliefs of sjws. The majority of us are calm people. I do believe in god, and don't believe in abortion (only in cases of rape). I do believe in giving children the appropriate sex education around 7-8th grade, but NOT on the gender binary bullsh! t because its not actually factual. What makes me more of a liberal is that I believe in immigration (not ILLEGAL immigration) and think it should be easier for immigrants to come to the US. I also believe that there are still racist people in America and that the court system is not fair to black people. For example the dallas police officer who shot a black man in his own apartment but was not taken into custody 3 days later, or the police officer who shot the black security guard, or Trayvon Martin. Examples of prejudice include permit patty, barbecue becky, hallway hillary, cornerstone caroline, that couple that drove a van and yelled threats at a. . .
@ bamesjondoo69 threats at a little black girl's birthday party. My problem with the republican party is that they claim that racism doesn't exist, or if it does, it is not big enough of a problem to affect anyone. However, there are many examples of prejudice/police brutality going on. Also I don't like how republicans have enacted bills that disenfranchised native americans in North Dakota, are in favor of enacting health care bills that don't give a shit about disabled people, or allow insurance companies to deny healthcare to people with preexisitng conditions, are generally in favor of solitary confinement in prisons, don't give a shit about homeless people and say that it is their fault, rather than looking at some of the tings that might have caused the homelessness, like growing up into an abusive home. I could go on and on but I don't want to bore anyone. Anyway, thats why I am a democrat (and a lot of other people are) even if I have a "republican" lifestyle.
@JazzHands I understand but do you really prioritize disenfranchisement of native Americans over abortion? I dont agree with everything any party is for but I prioritize it by life and liberty and then anything else which clearly puts me in the conservative republican camp, liberty over racism, life would make pro choice immediately knock out any candidate off my list of acceptable politicians no matter their stance on other issues. Tbh you sound more like a independent or moderate over a liberal.For example: This is the republican stance "What makes me more of a liberal is that I believe in immigration (not ILLEGAL immigration) and think it should be easier for immigrants to come to the US." This is the republican party platform, the democratic party platform is for open borders.You really sound like you sit on the fence.
@bamesjond0069 I see what you mean. I do kinda sit on the fence, but I've been identifying as liberal because of my beliefs on police brutality (and I've been a bit too scared to adopt the independent label). Maybe I need to rethink all of this...
@JazzHands But do you sit on the border fence between the US and Mexico? LMFAO
those arguments :D man I must be bored