They are being more selective, actually more like women when choosing a partner. Modern guys who can afford to own a nice home, nice cars, holidays abroad 2-3 times a year etc no longer want a stay at home housewife who will get bored and screw the gardener or pool guy while the kids are at school and he is at work and then decide that she no longer loves him, the relationship has lost its spark that they should get a divorce, that she should keep their house that he's still paying a mortgage on for the sake of the kids, that she should get alimony, that as its a joint savings account that she has the right to completely empty it, that she should get child support unti their youngest kid is 18, along with half his property investments and savings. She wants full custody and the courts to be on her side so she fakes a domestic abuse incident by precalling the police before assaulting him that way when the police arrive they take him away to jail and when he gets out he's served with a restraining order and divorce papers.No these guys are smarter in 2019 and expect a woman to offer more than a warm meal at the end of the day and what's between her legs.
Out of the mouths... reality.
Sooo scarily and profoundly correct. Like anything else, it is a risk assessment eith absolutely no risk controls available to lower the consequence, (which you so aptly described). The liklihood is also out of his control and only in his would be partner's control. Not all women are like that... but the law says they can be if they want. Simple as that.Would you buy a house knowing that in the future, there is a 50% liklihood that you will lose it? Is it a safe low-risk investment? Nope.
@Grobmate a lot of men have turned it around getting alimony from ex wives who earn more than they do. Some call it MANimony lolhttps://youtu.be/Ct0coD722zEhttps://youtu.be/Wu1csxDmT0s
Lol oh for sure. But it would be so small an amount of men who get that than the number of men who are devorce raped.
@Grobmate men aren't as ruthless as women can be. My older brother was able to get alimony from his wife but then he played it smart, pretended he didn't know she was cheating and planning a divorce and gathered up evidence, started moving some of his property into my dad's name, give my Dad his savings to look after, emptied their joint account, took a career break and prempted her and filed for divorce. Because he had no money, job or property she had to pay the legal costs, she wanted to keep the house so had to buy him out which she had to reportage the house to pay and of course she had to pay alimony. He got joint custody of my nephew and she was on the hook for child support too. She was livid as apparently she thought shed get alimony, full custody, child support and for him her to get the house even though he was the one paying the mortgage.
Wow very very smart Man. Ohhh I wish I had been a wiser man back then like him.
@Grobmate it's hard to think clearly when your emotionally devastated.
Particularly when there are kids involved 😞
I think it's the fear of widespread feminism and rejection, men are vulnerable to women's claims in court of law without much repercussions for the women accusing them of certain allegations. So to put it simply, men are backing away from marriage and things related to it because women drive men away using various scare tactics or simply not taking approaching men well.
Well you ain't wrong. That is definitely on the minds of most men!
The juice is not worth the squeeze. This is a slightly old article but you get the point.www.lifesitenews.com/.../young-men-giving-up-on-marriage-women-arent-women-anymore''Fewer young men in the US want to get married than ever, while the desire for marriage is rising among young women, according to the Pew Research Center.''
That juice can be expensive and dangerous! Good link.
I think you have to look at this by income quintile. I see a lot of instability as far as income goes for a lot of people, which for men makes them less marriageable. I'll wager that the higher one goes up income quintiles, the more likely men are to be married.
You say that as if a woman can just snap her fingers & guys will marry her. Lots of women have undervalued themselves in the marriage marketplace.
@hahahmm: You can find some "inefficiencies", but women are the gatekeepers in most cases for both sex and marriage. They are pickier than men and there are men willing to marry most women.
They used to be but lots of guys are now saying ‘no thanks’ and not begging for anything. Think about how women have high body counts & zero (or close to zero) shame about it. So they lowered the price of vagina to zero while shouting ‘equal rights’. It’s having unintended consequences for them now. I saw a video where a feminist said, “I’m so liberated that I’m useless (in a relationship)”.From my pov any guy who has something to offer knows he’s the prize these days. Number of guys who don’t is shrinking fast
Not to mention alimony
I actually think it's the reverse or at least double tailed. A lot of the higher income guys definitely do not want LTR or marriage. Why risk a large part of your wealth when you have so many options open.
It's a known fact that men don't want to hold up their side of a commitment unless they can afford to do so. So I agree. But on the flip side... many men once they accumulate some dough they tend not to want to give half of it away if shit goes sideways. So having said that... many women are also now making a ton of money but they aren't stupid... they don't date down from their current lifestyle... the smart ones always date up! This is where Men screw up. They usually date down and then when the shit hits the fan they lose half their shit. Men are now wising up to this! So my suggestion to men is to always date up so that kind of crap doesn't happen to you.
@coachtnthony, for all the equality Public service announcements, men & women don’t think the same & are not mirror images of each other. The kind of guy who is content living off a woman’s resources is not anywhere near as common as women content to live off a man’s resources.
@hahahmm Uhhhh okay. I don't disagree. Am I missing something?
@hahahmm: This isn't the be-all-and-end-all on this topic, but I'm posting it as a starting point for further discussion. www.bls.gov/.../...-and-educational-attainment.htm
@coachtanthony you seemed to be implying that rich women are smarter so they marry up but like 99% of wanted women marry up
@hahahmm Okay you are right we agree. Men are dumb and marry down? No?
@coachtanthony, if he marries a disloyal woman he’s dumb. But it’s impossible to know for certain at the start.
Have an opinion?
Younger guys today don't want an LTR or marriage because you can do either of those by texting.
There are many reasons for this. I went through a stage where I thought the same way.Firstly I think that today, much of the dating culture is pretty toxic. I'm not sure whether it has to do with social media, online dating and things of that nature, or just the culture in general. People in general I think are just less loyal, less trustworthy, more focused on superficial attractiveness. Thus finding a good partner is hard for both men and women.Secondly I think that hook-up culture just makes it easier for some, and harder for others. As a guy in today's culture, if you're confident you can get laid regularly without having a serious relationship. If you're not that confident then you really struggle. This creates problems for each.I went through phases as I grew up. At first I was the typical "nice guy" who would always get friend-zoned. Then I learned game and got a lot better with women, so I've seen this from both sides.Guys who get laid regularly tend to see a lot of things that make them distrust women, things that other guys kind of think they know but don't know for sure. One thing that happened to me a few times was that I'd meet a girl, we'd get to like each other, maybe we'd end up having sex. Then I'd find out randomly that she had a boyfriend, which had I known before I wouldn't have pursued her.Another thing that would always happen during the phase where I was only looking for casual sex was that I'd end up speaking to the girl about previous relationships. They'd tell me that they never had sex outside of a relationship, that they prefer to take it slow, that they've only had one or two partners. During the "nice guy" phase I believed that stuff. However then I'd reveal to the girl that I wasn't looking for anything serious. Then they'd maybe leave if they weren't interested in something casual, which was fine by me as I was looking to avoid misleading them into thinking I wanted more. Others however would maybe call me an asshole, tell me that they weren't that kind of girl, and all that stuff. After a while though they'd carry on talking to me anyway, and they'd become interested, once they felt safe enough to do so. I think they only did the above to avoid being slut-shamed. Then we'd get into that conversation again and I'd find out that actually they had many more partners than they said they'd had, they'd had one night stands, fwbs and all that.So it was like they put on an innocent act when they thought I wanted a relationship, as a way of making me think they were these innocent "good girls". But most often this just wasn't the truth, and once they knew I wasn't looking for that, and that it was safe for them to reveal these things to me, they'd show their true nature.I didn't have a problem with them having previous experiences. I didn't give a shit. However, this showed me how willing many of them are to lie about their pasts. I can understand why they do, but still nobody wants to be lied to. Everybody acknowledges that many men lie to get laid, they won't acknowledge that many women lie to keep a man around. This naturally made me become sceptical of any woman I met when I was interested in something more long-term, because while I was always honest about my past I wondered if she was.Some "nice guys" know this instinctively. Maybe they never become the guy she wants casual sex with. They know that these women will have sex with certain guys while young, then marry a "nice guy" when they're older. Guys naturally just don't want to be the guy she settles with because it kind of feels like they're second best, so those guys will avoid marriage.Then also husbands aren't portrayed as cool in our culture. On TV they're commonly portrayed as bumbling buffoons ruled over and brow-beaten by their wives, who are always somehow smarter than he is. This probably has some effect too.
To be honest its a lot to do with how the socioeconomic landscape has changed over the past years. People are brought up to be more egocentric. Women are being brought up to believe that if the man don't act right then they can leave his ass and take half his life earnings too... I think its genuinely sometimes more about her revenge then it is about her rights... it's a little twisted sometimes and all men can empathise and feel for that guy. On top of that there are even some girls who prefer being single mothers and will even opt to take the kid away from the father. All these actions are egocentric at the core... the people are only thinking about their own gain and that leaves us in a dog eat dog situation. So when a guy confronts such a landscape... the optimal way for him to navigate through it and make it out alive is to just think about himself... earn money... get rich.. attract the best women... not get attached to them... and repeat the cycle... essentially this behaviour in men is for self preservation. This in essence makes the backbone of the MGTOW movement. I personally don't prescribe to these ideas... because end of the day I know that the only way forward is for both men and women to cohabit in peace and unity... and also I have desires to be a father and invest in the generations to come... that's just my personal goals and ideals in life..
Most women that can plan on taking a man's money through divorce would rather go to college or find some other means of making a living. We don't usually get married to divorce but life throws stuff at us and divorces happen. If a women has given a guy childern and spent the years being a traditional wife then she may not have the qualifications or education to make a decent income after a divorce. If a woman is leaving a man for something like abuse, a affair, lawbreaking, or is being left against her will she might take intentionally for emotional reasons.
@dandeliondesire1 70% of divorces are initiated by women. Common reason being irreconcilable differences.
What reason would a guy have for wanting a relationship when women are constantly giving it (sex) up for free. Men like women, they go after women.. have sex.. no longer interested. If you like a guy, get to know him first, because the more he has to get to know you, the more likely it will be that he will stick around longer, after sex, there will still be a connection keeping him wanting to see you.
I tell it like it is
God bless you, ma'am.
I have never shied away from LTRs or marriage, but apparently women only put me in the deadly 'Bermuda Triangle', called 'The Friend Zone'! I'm NOT looking for friends!Sorry for sounding bitter, but all I hear is "you'll make a great guy for someone..." I call B***S*!*!!!
Dude that is the worst... I feel ya man!
@coachTanthony. Thanks Bro!
Most of your questions are centered around men being a victim of women
That isn't true at all. Most of my questions are about Men stepping up and not complaining about their dating life.
Well you can disagree and be butt hurt or you can show me some proof of what you are saying?
You're already proving my point. I said I disagree and now you're carrying on.
Okay you win... now GET LOST SQUIDWARD
Such an original insult. Just because you have a bunch of sheep following with this victim mentality doesn't mean you're right. Cheers
I don't know what it is.. but I am starting to like you :+)-
I took a look at about 40 of his questions and I don't see any victim mentality. Most of his questions are merely asking for our opinion on something dating related. Perhaps this is why you didn't provide any examples...
@Truthatanycost I appreciate you doing that my man. I am way harder on Men and their own excuses... believe that! Much love!
@Truthatanycost are you his sidekick? I've gone through his questions.
@miss_savanna-dry but somehow cannot name a specific question with details on your argument. I was just starting to like you too. You blew it!
In every question there is a bunch of sheep complaining about how women are evil and only want mens' money and only go after looks. I stopped following you already a week ago for this reason. I thought this question was interesting until I saw your poll, and then it clicked about the other questions that annoyed me with all these incels standing together. I remember one guy bitching in one of your previous questions about how shit women are and you commented "you definitely showed them 👍" . I'm not blind. Look at your poll. Look at all these sheep. They all gather at your questions down voting all the women, pathetic.
Girl most bald men are bitter
@coachTanthony I don't know if your question are all about men victimization or not. But I agree with Miss when she says that this question is about that. When I cliked it I was expecting some very different options. "They see no value in LTR or Marriage" fair enough I was expecting that. "Toxic Feminism and Hypergamy have shackled the psyche of today's man" come on! You really can tell me this is not about victim mentality with expressions like "shackled the psyche"? Is this even a thing? And then hypergamy! Oh lord...
Beats me but I also don’t want to feel rushed a lot of my friends are engaged right now! It’s pretty early and I see toxic relationships. But I get a lot of guys that just want to hook up or be friends with benefits and I’m not going for that bs.
What is LTR? Cause unfortunately they listen and focus too much on what the media says, what feminism/feminist says, looking to much at the bad and never the good in marriage, been hurt/brunt in the past and assume that's all thats ever going to come to them in relationships cause they haven't taken the time to heal, want women to accept any and all men without wanting to accept any and all women and just be happy with the bare minimum, etc. There's this idea that women just want to get married to ruin a man's life and that is further from the truth. They blame women about the unfair advantages in the court system when it comes to divorce and child support but they aren't pointing at who is giving these advantages which is who? Other men sense most of them run the court system. Most women want marriage for companionship and children, pretty much the same thing they want, but they want to believe women don't want relationships or marriage cause if they did then then most of them wouldn't be asking for divorce. But they don't do the research and look into why these couples are divorcing, most women aren't getting married just to divorce for the hell of it. The main reason why women are divorcing their partners are either because 1. infidelity 2. lack of communication/arguing over income. I have not ever heard a woman say, I want to marry just to end up divorced later on in life. Never. I am engaged and I want to be married for life cause I love the man that I am with. Also men today tend to think women wanting a man who is financially responsible is hypergomous or being a "gold digger" when in actuality that is something as a man you should want for yourself. You should want to be financially stable so you can provide for your future wife and children, so you won't be stressed out, worried and arguing over money. That is the last thing any couple should fight about or separate over. Now I understand there are women out there who really are materialistic but men are just as materialistic as well, we see what money and power does to the heart, soul, and mind of a man. Some of the most greedy companies on the face of the earth are ran by men yet they want to run with this idea that only women are the ones who are the lovers of money. I see men asking for a woman who is wife material, someone who will love him, cook for him, have his children. They want that 1950's area woman back but they don't want to be that 1950's area man that allows that. And yes there are women who fight against that, but for the most part women do want a family and a husband they can take care of.
Hook up cult also plays a roll into this as well, people just want to have quick relationships with no strings tied.
LTR stands for Long Term Relationship
Women initiate most divorces and they are for financial reasons. Sounds like women are gold diggers. Most women seem to expect the man to provide and pay and plan for dates, yet don't have the idle school values like cooking and cleaning for the man. If a man wants those things he is often viewed as sexist while the women is viewed as strong and empowered for knowing what she wants.
@nathanp97 valid point! When I hear that girls are about to get married but are incapable of boiling an egg it makes me wonder how they heck they believe that they are ready for marriage.
If you can't boil an egg, whether you are a guy or a girl you probably shouldn't get married yet. If you aren't someone who seeks the traditional gender roles, you don't have to follow them and I think that is fine, but if you want someone who does you have to to. At least that is my logic
70% of divorces are initiated by women, and common reason is irreconcilable differences. That's 50% of what men worked for gone down the drain then.
Fuck all you haters, your the reason why girls like this are so rare
@No_Archons and what reasons would those be?
My God, 3 men and 1 woman don't want to be financially responsible people before and after they get in relationship? says a lot about people in our society. We are constantly complaining about poverty and struggling to meet ends meet, why would you as an individual wouldn't want this for yourself first and then your family? Like I don't get this, women you should want men who can protect and provide for your family, men you should want to be able to protect and provide for your family... someone make it make sense here cause im lost.
The problem is you are kinda saying that women aren't expected to help provide. A women wanting a man with a job before marriage and kids is fine, but if you don't have the same then you are a hypocrite. Women aren't expected to cook and clean anymore, so guys shouldn't be expected to be providers and protectors. + the economy isn't that great, so having both work would be best. Perhaps women don't care about what is best for their kids.
@nathanp97 A lot men do expect or want women to still cook and clean, I see it all the time my man so that is a lie. And how is a woman not providing? She provides you children and a comfy home for you to return to.. anyway i never said a woman can't or shouldn't work. She can if she still wants to. I don't care either way, I would work or be a stay at home mom if i have kids. Yes the economy isn't that great, which is why im saying you should want a partner who is financial stable.
That is fine aslong as you are financially stable too. Some guys may want a stay at home wife, but they are seen as sexist, while women who want a man who can proved are often seen as a women who knows her value and what she wants. And there is a difference between someone stable and dating only rich people.
And you don't need to be financially stable while dating, as long as you can be before marriage and kids.
Just as toxic feminism and popular media has created a generation of egotistical women that do not want children, family, or traditional marriage, it has created a generation of men who have soft spines, who are horny manchildren, unable to support their potential wives. Who would prefer to get high and hook up over bear the responsibility raising a family.You can blame it on the cultural and social degradation that began with the Free Love movement in the Vietnam War era
No one should go after a LDR they're doomed to fail and honestly don't ever seem like relationships but friendships. I mean I guess marriage isn't for everyone but that's just something you should ask about early on to see if you want the same things.
LTR not LDR
@Ursidae Sorry I read it wrong then the same goes for what I said about marriage.
Because we have been taught to always look for something better, even when its not there. Its like the old saying, the grass always looks greener on the other side.Instead of being content with a partner and enjoying being with that 1 person, a lot of people keep looking around to see if they can do better.
Im in a LTR and plan to continue being in one, but I have zero plans to get married. Luckily I met a woman who agreed with me on that.
Congrats my man!
I say it's feminazi extremist. There are other reasons of course like not seeing the value in it. I mean it's a risk to get married with 50% of them ending in divorce. And it's so much easier to just break up with everyone taking what they brought in than paying to divorce and splitting the assets despite who earned them. Even I as a woman don't see the value in getting married. But I still see value in exchanging vows that has nothing to do with the government.
Wrll said and spot on^
If you don't forcefully convince guys to marry in their early 20s when they are still quite dumb it becomes less and less probable they want the hassle especially if there is enough sex and stupid entertainment around. What changed is that women are not "required" or willing to marry by their early 20s anymore. By the time they want to settle down a lot of guys don't really give a shit about that anymore.
I am in a LTR and I like being in LTR (never have been involved in anything casual). Problem I have is not with LTR but getting married. Women let themselves go and don't make effort in their appearance from what I've noticed. My cousin's wife was pretty now she is overweight. I hope this wouldn't be a problem because I only date girls who live healthy lifestyle and put effort in appearance. I've also seen guys complain about their wives stopped having sex with them. 90% of people visiting prostitutes are married. But that aside main reason I am reluctant to get married is what would happen to me after she wants a divorce. I lose half my assets I would've worked hard for, lose my kids, probably house too. Courts in UK are not different from US, and favour women. Few years ago there was divorce case that ended up in House of Lords. Courts had rejected her appeal to take half her husbands assets but House of Lords awarded her half her husband's assets, and that she had gotten used to certain "lifestyle". Prenups are not legally binding in UK unlike America, despite recommendations to government that make prenups legally binding, few years later government still hasn't done so and doesn't seem like it intends to. So prenups have legal weight but not legally binding. Few years in marriage if she wants to jump ship for whatever reason its fine by me. But why should I lose half my assets I would work hard for? I feel and its just my perception and just giving my thoughts. More of responsibility to make a relationship work falls on men, its simply easier for women to leave a relationship no matter the reason, they face no repercussions. 70% of divorces are initiated by women.I am interested in LTR, I do want to get married. But I also fear the consequences. Hence the dilemma if one should get married risk being so high if the marriage fails.
Simple.For what reason a man should get marriage?Why is the prime reason for marriage.You desire to get married, but do you deserve to get married?Ask yourself. The answer is clear.
In my opinion our generation sees a lot of divorce. I personally have. I hate it. My own parent divorced. After seeing all that carnage its real scary thinking about working for something so much and just losing it. Like losing half of your material belongings, or just feeling like wasted so much time. Honestly thats why Im in no rush to have kids, family or even too motivated to stay in my own relationship. I feel I've worked too hard for my stuff and knowing I can lose it all scares the hell out of me. I dont want to have to start over again.
For me, it's not that I think all women are bad and that they all will want to get a divorce. It's just the fact that it's a very real possibility that makes one VERY CAREFUL in choosing a mate. So that's why people like us are taking it slow and not rushing into things.
@Jamie05rhs I mean you right. I didn't mean all girls are bad but yeah shits scary.
Thanks. And yeah.
Marriage: a legal contract that Rob's a man of everything when the woman divorces him.Feminism , metoo, etc.And from my own experience, women want to be treated like royalty , yet do nothing to deserve such treatment.The last time I complained about my needs not being met, I got chewed out. And then got chewed out again when I didn't fulfill her needs. Why even bother if this is what a relationship looks like.
I am willing to go after it. But I understand in todays society, most young women dont desire an LTR or Marriage. This in my opinion is a huge problem for women. It makes them waste their prime years, in useless flings where they pick up trauma. This trauma they drag into these LTRs and Marriages, thats why Divorce rates have been high since the Sexual revolution of the late 60s. Less sex=longer healthier relationships
We aren't getting married cause it isn't something that's pushed on us we have freedom to pursue higher educations in fact it's expect of us at this point. Women of previous generations often rushed into marriage but now we can take our time and be more selective. P. S what crappy sex are you having?
I don't think all men are giving up on long-term relationships or marriage. There are some out there who is either looking or waiting for one to happen.
Nobody said all men.
The problem why both, men and women, unwilling to do LTR or Marriage would be part of the social media algorithms that can put us into division. Especially when it comes to such viral meme terms like "friend zone" for example, which that's misogynist. All in all, I think social media is one of which that can hurt or damage our friendships and future relationships.
Well I think the entertainment aspect of social media keeps us in zombie mode and cuts our masculine drive down to a point where we now lack the energy to even care.
By the way, Facebook is not really a Zuckerberg problem. It's more of a capitalist problem because of the big money.
I don't think it's a generational thing so much as guys have just realized what they have to loose financially (not just in the short term either, but for the rest of his life) if there's a divorce, and the divorce rate is higher than it's ever been. I've heard some guy's lives are completely ruined from a divorce, where they are working 3 jobs just to get by because the ex is taking all the money and he's left with very little to live on. Who wants that?
Divorce legal robberyMarriage = Last modern legal slaveryThere should be a warning sign of marriage but there isn't! Because that would blow up the whole entire purpose of marriage.images.mysafetysign.com/.../...-symbol-is-2101.png
They have no male role models (when I grew up only had one person is school from a single parent home and they were bullies and outcasts). TV has devalued men and husbands (as I grew up shows showed men how to treat people with respect and they protected women; men were portrayed as needed in the home and hero’s; now they are made a joke and stupid). Movies show men having sex without responsibilities (as I grew up shows showed men protecting others and self-sacrifice for others and they protected women; now women are better fighters than men in movies and the hero’s, the only men are bums and bad guys). Schools have neutered little boys with drugs if they are active boys. Parents have over protected boys making them girlish.
It sounds like a guys, man's parental upbringing, has a bigger impact on his social interactions, dating life, more than the other way around
Maybe because society has put a lot of weight on their shoulders already and they don't want the extra responsibility? 🤷♀️I mean a few years back a guy had basically 2 expectations:•Find a job•Find a woman to have kidsNowadays there are a lot more• have good grades• get a high paid job • buy a car• be successful• they have to be soft to women, but tough in general because they are males• they are heavily judged by gender stereotypes and role models• women have more expectations• a marriage has more needs in our days• they have more interests of their own which they may have to give up when they commitP. s. I am not saying this are MY expectations, I am just listing facts I have picked up.
A few years back people didn't look down if a man showed up to ask a girl for marriage if he was covered in stains and his hands were dirty from work. He was a good working man. Full stop. Now if he doesn't show up in a suit and well groomed all hell brakes loose and people start to judge each little detail.
I wouldn't say men are unwilling to be in LTR. I know plenty of men my age who are in long time relationships, marriage on the other hand. I have several reason why I wouldn't want to get married.In divorces women are more likely to get everything Child custody mostly go towards womenMen are expected to give up 3 mouths of there hard earnings for a ring that could easily be rejected
Yeah, fuck all that ring bullshit. Everyone knows jewelry stores are a capitalist scam. My brother is a welder. I'll just pay him to make her a ring.
Uh they haven’t? Women are the ones rejecting. Have you forgotten that You men get on your knees and ask? Not us?
But we're not asking.
Because culturally now you don't have to be married or have a family to be considered successful, man or women.
Same for relationships.
That is incorrect on both counts. There is still plenty of stigma.
It's not incorrect if that stigma is no longer pushed by the majority of population. This particular generation especially. "When are you gonna get married and have kids" or "who are dating" is no longer the first thing out of everyone's mouth at Christmas party's. Not to mention it's been a while since that's the only thing that makes you successful.
It only looks like that when you are 20. The older you get the more obvious it becomes in social circles and even the workplace. Having a stable family is still very much a mark of success and being a responsible person, especially for men.
So you think all the successful older bachelor's have people asking them when they are gonna get a wife and kids? Maybe his mom asks that because mom's ask that shit regardless of age. But last I checked a wife and kids doesn't change how successful you are. That's an old and quite frankly a useless way of thinking.
No. Your boss will and judge you by how stable and motivated they think you are when considering you for for further advancement. Married male friends will judge when they consider if you will get invited for dinner. A lot of women will become suspicious of your character. etc,
What age group are you referring to? Also maybe I should have left out "considered" in my post. Simply because "considered" and "being" are two different things. I do think the stigma is a lot less than it used to be but yes of course having a family is still seen as only real way to success to some people. How your perceived and how people look at you depends on who your around, thier values and beliefs etc. My point is you don't have to have a family to be a successful individual. Regardless of how others see it. Nothing wrong with being single, and if you have a great job, your accomplishing things and your building yourself than you are definitely a successful person. Regardless of age or gender. How some people see you is going to be different in some cases like you said.
that is correct !! i don't undrestand why you got downvotes though oO wtf is wrong with these dudes?
@sarahburberryy I don't know they are probably older, our parents generation put more value on having a family by a certain time than our generation. Otherwise who knows lol
It is true but they can at least state why they disagree instead of downvoting like an army of angry sheeps lmao
I honestly wasn't expecting much else lol
I don't want to get married later in life for a few simple reasons:- I don't see the point in marriage. If I really come far with a girl, I can share a home with her. What's marriage going to add to that? And moral reasons don't mean anything to me when it comes down to marriage...- I'm not the most romantic type and would like to stay just that.- Divorce is a pain in the ass when it comes down to it. The chance for divorce on itself is pretty high anyway.
Only the low value men do that. Good men are still getting married.
Not true. Lots of great guy remain single without whining about it. Look at Elon Musk, one of the useful men on the planet. Still unmarried.
try figuring out what benefit is in that for a man. it's mostly cost. little benefit. that's why.
in world where a woman can't survive without a man that provides, marriage is vital. in a world where women earn more than men, it's pointless.
I think there's a lot that goes into this one, but in my eyes, I think the big reason why is that it is easier to have your freedom and sex with whoever you want over staying monogamous with one person who you may not feel the same for over time.Plus, one big one I hear a lot of guys bring up and that I agree with is that the courts in divorce crucify men and favor the women regardless of the situation. Kids? Gone. House? Gone? Finances? Gone. You leave eviscerated. It's easy to say just find a woman that fits with you best, but that is very difficult. Things change and the risk tends to outweigh the reward for most people nowadays since both men and women are more than capable of being independent and not needing each other for basic stability that was sought for back in earlier years
Because a normal "get married and pop a bunch of kids" life isn't really norm anymore and it's cool. I'm glad getting married and making babies isn't everyone's end goal.
Goodbye whites, hello third worlders!
I don’t agree with that. In my opinion it seems like they just have different priorities. They go after romance later in life because it is the smartest way to go.
1) They don't2) Those few who do either just want sex rather than love, or are too butthurt about women rejecting them so they hate women now.
It all above and it social media that make younger adolescents not as mature and just like to play games. I don't have time for play game. I am honest from start.
If you wait until the age of at least 28, you statistically will have saved yourself one divorce. Marriage is a business transaction and it’s not worth it because of the risk and loss of assets.
Two different things. In case of marriage they might see it as a problem in case relationship goes wrong.In case of not going after LTR, it's probably either because they hold a bad conception of women due to past experiences and are wrongly making a gender generalization and/or they either have depression and low self esteem and feel love is not for them or they don't deserve it. On the other hand they could be promiscuous and not enjoy beign with the same person for too long, so LTR don't fit the necessities and personality of this last type of men.
Toxic Feminism and Hypergamy.But all of the above really.
According to me there are many reasons-Failure of marriage and monetary loss (biggest one), being previously rejected which gave them a complex, simply not willing to commit to one person
No idea. I don't know if all this fear of marriage is an USA thing, but I am starting to believe it is. I don't see anyone alse complaining about toxic feminism and hypergamy. Feminazis are a tiny portion of population and hypergamy is a gold digger thing, not a women's thing by the way. About the other stuff. Women still need us, as much as we need them. Rejection hurts everyone, we all need to deal with it. Men can persue love and career at the same time. About high expectations and marriage having nothing to offer... Well personal expectations are very different. Find the person, that thinks about someone that looks like you when they masturbate is part of the fun. Marrying or not that comes down to personal goals. Nothing against who doesn't do it. I just find it so odd this fear of dating some guys here have.
Marriage is a bad deal for men. https://youtu.be/-A4Nbo-iAgY
And some women use kids as pawns.
What do you expect when men are being vilified at every turn by Main Stream Media if they don't show allegiance to the right type form of dogma, are ridiculed in sitcoms and adverts, etcThey see no benefits in either LTR or Marriage but a whole lot of deficits, so they do a risk analysis and decide its not worth the grief and decide to focus on their own careers, when they are happy in their careers they will look to start LTR or look again at Marriage but it will not be with women of their own age,
You make a good point, sir. So you think people like me (a male millennial) will end up marrying women from a younger generation?
@Jamie05rhs Its a more than likely outcome, unless you're blessed with finding someone you're compatible with closer to your own age, its not impossible just rare.
Thank you for your insight. I will take that into consideration.
For me I am afraid of being rejected. I haven’t asked anyone out in a while even though I like someone right now.
I'd rather a long term relationship of marriage. The problem is finding a decent woman among the fraternity thots that dominate my age range.
They are... just not as many doing it as there used to be. There are many reasons why and you had some of them in the poll...1. Change in method of finding a man https://youtu.be/adZaEaH7DTQ2. Probably the most open, honest and well put together explanations I have seen.https://youtu.be/rlvMAS_20K4Covers my 2 cents.
Which age range are you talking about?My peers, around 35-40, i think are looking for that.
The current generation is Generation Z - people born from 1996-TBD. People our age are considered Millennials or Generation Y (1977-1995)
Personally I feel like it is a combination of things but what makes me put off marriage is that I am supported by our current society to become something other then a wife. Don't get me wrong I don't believe that men have a lower worth then women it's more so that modern women are just starting to be seen with more worth. We feel empowered to pursue educations, careers, and take our time finding partners because we aren't expected to rush into marriage like previous generations. Women and men are equal and there are men and women with undesirable qualities. The thing is women in previous generations often settled for men with undesirable qualities because we didn't have very much choice in the matter. In modern times we are speaking out and saying we won't settle for this treatment anymore. Men shouldn't have to settle for this treatment from women either however many of you will and already have but I guess the world just had a sick sense of humor.
But women do settle for undesirable men. You just have one-night stands with them so that way you can enjoy their hot bodies without having to deal with their undesirable qualities over the long term. Because sex doesn't require a relationship anymore.
@Jamie05rhs yeah but a one night stand isn't marriage or a relationship so they aren't effecting
They aren't affecting what?
Can't really speak for my whole generation, just myself. In my case I'm broke and happily celibate, so I have no reason to pursue a relationship.
Apart from the fact that monogamy is not natural to human beings, I would say, because marriage is a trap and a prison. Limitations squared. Nothing wrong with LTR in my opinion. Many polyamorous relationships are long-term.Ultimately though, the problem with marriage is that is gives a false sense of ownership over another sovereign human being. It entails making promises one cannot guarantee (and should not be expected) to keep. How can one know how one will see things x years from now? And what's the deal with all the toxic emotional concomitants, jealousy, hurt, anger, blame? Yes, the problem is that you can't just walk away. I mean you can, but it makes you think you can't and it works on most folks resulting in bitter, frustrated lives.
You're missing the point. The beautiful thing about marriage is precisely that is IS a permanent commitment. If you're not into that, fine. But a lot of people want that very much.
@Jamie05rhs I get your point and I'm sure there is such a percentage. The question is how much. Half of marriages end in divorce, much of the remainder separate, and many of those that stay together only do so due to kids of emotional dependence and because it's too late to look elsewhere, not because they're still happy together. They few that are together and are happy have probably not been together that long. Very very few indeed stay together and happy after, say 20 years. If I had to guess, I'd say probably around 1%. And you know what, I bet they'd be just as happy without that piece of paper all the same.
It's not about the "piece of paper" lol. That's just for taxes.
@Jamie05rhs It's not about anything to do with marriage either. It's about love. You don't need a ceremony or a ring to love.
Well, it's just that there are different definitions of the term "LTR" depending on who you talk to.
Even though all of them may very well be based on love.
I think there are plenty of people out there who would value LTR. Often times these are the same people who haven't been in a relationship yet.
My experience is that i got outcompeted and then got used to being single.
Long story short : because it's hard to find a woman that's worth it.
Hypergamy for sure, it's definently a real thing in first world countries.
Who gives a crap anymore the babybomers have already doomed us
I don't know about the others, but I would like to find someone worthy enough to marry. And do it.
Im not but I just dont have any luck in that part of my life and probably never will.
Not old enough to think its necessary. You were young once. Although I must say it's more so now
Because it's too much one-sided work. They just sit down and wait. I got better things to do
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