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A combination of factors.We've seen younger people just saying meh I could just be doing something comfortable at home or work instead. Men in particular are not as interested in 'going out' or 'adventures' or travel as women are. Many men know they can count on having a laugh with their mates on discord and playing games.The internet makes porn highly available. But combine that with another point; the internet also propagates complaints women have and then feminists hammer it in with their rhetoric. MeToo was the most mainstream example of this, but the feminist and other social justice attitude had already been peddled for years. So to make the point: You hear women complain about something, maybe it's real, maybe she's playing victim, whatever, it doesn't matter. Of course no guy wants to be *that* guy, already the feeling creeps in that they would rather just not deal with that. Once in a while where a guy once might have made a move or done something with a girl, this time he does nothing and porn is there to pick up the slack -- or tinder-esque apps for more the minority of guys that are attractive and so inclined. Then you're also hearing complaints that men aren't doing what they're supposed to because of how easy is it to use tinder (yeah right) or porn. When you're hearing complaints about too much attention and complaints about a lack of attention, you're just going to default to not dealing with it and sticking with porn. 'Can't win, fuck it, jack off.'More gynocentric attitudes. There's no end to the belief that women are oppressed, we afford then all sorts of considerations and benefits that artificially put women ahead in the workforce and education and then proceed to ignore that because 'there's still a long way to go' even when men are so dramatically falling behind. There's the way men feel which is increasingly depressed, lost and left behind -- and because of how women's attraction works this works towards making more men unattractive. Then there's the way women feel which is (if all the articles we see of women voicing this complaint are anything to go by) "where have all the good men gone?" The point of contention being that women are demanding men be at least equal and ideally better than them if a relationship is to last. Meanwhile men are falling behind and no one cares what happens to them unless they are one of the 'good' men already. We disregarded men and elevated women to such an extent that we're now seeing the social consequences of it, yet still the faithful will turn around and drop the veneer of advancing beyond gender norms in order to berate men for their weakness and struggle to keep up in an antagonistic system.They're moments where they essentially find themselves chastised for their sexuality. And this is the millennial generation we're talking about. The men are exactly the products of that: They were told men and women are equal and no one said anything about having to do anything special other than be good and be yourself to make love and relationships happen, if not downright discouraged from gender norms. So they approach to life is with a mindset that women can generally take care of themselves. We'll all just be ourselves and find real love and all that mess. The problem is that the gender egalitarian mindset worked well: Men found themselves free and comfortable to play video games, jack it to porn, buy a pack of beers, hang with their friends and pursue hobbies all paid for by some low-mid tier job. Life was simple and good, there was a bit of an absence of women but that'll happen when the time is right, right? Welp, turns out no. Women aren't into that shit and were encouraged to be very career oriented and be independent and all that. Just like the egalitarian mindset had promised, women could take care of themselves (forgetting the support society afforded them) -- but it didn't change what they like in men.
So at the end of the day, many of the things that might have lead to having relationships and having sex are just discouraged. Why put yourself in an uphill battle trying to make things happen. Women complain no matter what you do, but even more so and to dangerous degrees (social media mobs and all that follows) when you take a more initiative-oriented approach. So just saying fuck that, having a wank and then playing some video games with the boiz seems more often a sensible choice... naturally it brings a little uptick in virginity.
So just saying fuck that, having a wank and then playing some video games with the boiz seems more often a sensible choice... naturally it brings a little uptick in virginity.I think you nailed it!
It's because feminism (both the "good kind" and the "bad kind") changed the expectations and broadened the possibilities for women - but men still largely have the same expectations as they did under the old system, without most of the benefits.Prior to feminism and the sexual revolution, sex mostly occurred in married couples, so there was pressure to marry and rewards for doing so (and many far beyond sex). But this also meant that married people were eliminated from the dating pool - they were no longer single - and so what happened is that a man who was a 7 usually ended up with a woman who was a 7, and a 9 ended up with a 9, and a 4 ended up with a 4. If you were a 4 (man or woman), you weren't getting a 7, because those 7s were being taken out of the dating market by other 7s. The pool of single, unmarried people was relatively small.After feminism, there was much less incentive to marry, and even less incentive to STAY married - so far more people are single. But that should mean all those single people are having lots of fun, casual sex, right? It turns out, that's not what's happening.Instead, all the single women, regardless of their own Social Market Value, are after the highest SMV men - and most can get them (for casual sex, at least), which makes many single women believe that they DESERVE those men and so they're not willing to accept any less. Of course, getting a RELATIONSHIP from those men is even MORE difficult than before, even for high SMV women, because those high SMV men have tons of options.But what about the other men - the majority, who are a 7 or lower? For them, it's nearly impossible to get either a girlfriend or casual sex (it's easier to get the former than the latter for most of this group). Remember, this is the majority of men, because SMV isn't an even distribution - it's a bell curve with standard deviations.As you can see, the majority of men - more than 4/5 of men, in fact, are a 7 or below. This fits right in with women rating 80% of men as "below average" in attractiveness.www.yourtango.com/.../women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-studyNow, not ALL women are out trying to (at LEAST) get some casual sex from the really hot guys (but a lot of them do!) - there are still some more traditional girls who will find a guy close to her own SMV - AS LONG AS, of course, he's willing to be in a relationship with her, which is reasonable - and have sex with him, but there are still a whole lot of guys who have few if any prospects because so many of the single women that would normally be in his range are only interested in the guys who look like Chris Hemsworth or Ryan Gosling or whatever 8+ guy - even if she's a 4 herself.And THAT is why more men are virgins today than before. The sexual freedom of feminism benefits high-value men almost exclusively and makes it even worse for the majority of men - AND makes it worse for a lot of women too, as they either can't get the hot guy's attention or are only able to get casual sex when she really wants a relationship (but isn't willing to "settle" for a guy at her SMV level).
Can I steal this for my next book?
It's not really mine to give - it's kind of collected and consolidated from several sources.
Oh gotcha !
I don't understand why women would downvote your response? It's backed up by facts! Why do you girls enjoy denying the truth that you are exceedingly over privileged in the dating world? And that us us men have it stupid hard?
It's always been very interesting to me. How men in West have far more options and choices to make when it comes to sex yet they struggle to get laid than more conservative places of the world where people often have limited choices to make.Could it be due to decision fatigue? It is just my little guess on it, I don't know either. It's so strange.
Its because of the commodification of sex.
Probably more like rejection fatigue.
They don't actually have more choices. There are more "avenues" to explore, but now even the sum of them is more barren that 'the old ways'. It's because for an event to occur and be counted it requires two yeses. So women in the west have more choices and when you're spoiled for choice the priority becomes higher value. This narrows the range of men they say yes to and since it takes two yeses to make something happen then women's decision is the limiting factor and that has become more restrictive with the presence of choice.So all those "options and choices" amount to shite. If anything it's just the feeble promise of *something, anything* that brings in the male traffic and that's good for ad revenue.
@AllThatSweetJazz you don't have choices? You can use online dating. You can date offline. You can get married through an affair. You can get an arranged marriage. If you don't wanna commit you can be with someone that is also like you and looking for sex. You can get into polyamory. Get a prostitute. To to the strip club. Date an older woman. Date a younger woman. Date a woman of any ethnicity or race of your preference.Tell me more about lack of options 😂Not just women, even men have higher values of priority. A lot of guys like you are taken today. What makes you think that you're anything different and you're incapable?Y'all just lack patience.
its cos no girls like us or want to have sex with us, we're jus not attractive
"You can use online dating. You can date offline. You can get married through an affair."These are examples of what I called "avenues" but my point was that nothing necessitates that those avenues actually yield results, and I was pointing out that women's presence in those same avenues restricts the effectiveness of those avenues for men to a great degree. And with prostitutes, most guys don't want to get with a prostitute, surprise. It's not just about sex. It's about relationships and real connections. Same with strip clubs. Not appealing tbh. So basically you listed off what is mostly *your* real options, they're not great for guys."Not just women, even men have higher values of priority."Not sure what this sentence means."patience"Hell no. Patience implies waiting and that is terrible advice for a guy. Only women say that because it's practical for them. This is not something we should be telling guys. I used to be extremely socially anxious and trust me that waiting is not practical. It's obvious to most guys that they shouldn't be doing this. As a guy you're forced to take an active role if you want affection in your life. You need to get up and go at it, not wait. But even that is made worlds more complicated by the sociopolitical climate at the moment.Since a breakup over a year ago, I've tried to chat it up with at least a half dozen girls I've met, no dice. It just becomes a chore. I've dating apps and whatnot years ago and there's nothing there. Rather than be anecdotal, more importantly the statistics tell us that "options" doesn't mean "results", not for men anyway. To reiterate, there's theoretically more avenues in the west, but that doesn't mean men get to make choices and have that amount to anything. Do I need to explain the two yeses thing again?
@Bigfappa so what can you really do about that? Am pretty sure there will be someone out there at least 🤷 there are millions of women around you.
@AllThatSweetJazz ok fine, keep pursuing women, no one is telling you to stop doing that. But what I'm saying is that you don't have to be so desperate. You're only 27, I've seen people who didn't marry anyone until they reached their 30's just because they were not finding a person that they liked and the patience was well worth it. That's what I meant. Don't lose hope.
Again, 'waiting' is not something practical afforded to me.But I have and I'm done with that.Sorry, but I doubt you have a real metric for what it's like.And what do you think the alternative is to 'patience'?What I wanted was far more positive, satisfying and meaningful experiences throughout my 20s and I don't think it gets easier to find something real and satisfying as I get older.But don't make it about me, the point was that this is what most men deal with in terms of options, choices and results. Things are getting measurably worse and all anyone offers in response to men is things like "don't lose hope." Excuse my bluntness, but we can't date your platitudes.
@AllThatSweetJazz "Excuse my bluntness, but we can't date your platitudes. "Getting some tail is now a platitude?I have heard it all now.
@AllThatSweetJazz I've seen the shittiest men getting married. You have no excuses.
@RolandCuthbert How is saying "don't lose hope" the same as "tail"?@CubsterShuraSo does the woman in that marriage have anything to do with it?Does a few examples mean the rest of the point falls apart? No.It's not about me nor who's fault it is. This is obfuscating.The original question was about why, but you offered an explanation about options. I challenged that perspective and now are you moving on from it? Are you accepting that you're wrong in this respect?
@AllThatSweetJazz I understood the explanation. But it made me feel like people are far too hopeless.
@AllThatSweetJazz I understood the explanation. But it made me feel like you guys get hopeless really easily.
I appreciate that you want guys to be hopeful. There are certainly a lot of girls (not just in this thread) that are utterly indignant at the prospect of a guy claiming that he has a problem external to himself in relation to women, even in part. But just telling guys not to lose hope doesn't acknowledge or address the issues. Sure, it's good to have hope regardless of what your circumstances are, but anywhere where we have to say that to people is an area where we should be trying to figure out how to not let people get stuck dealing with whatever issue it is.
@battooot you got any wise words?
@AllThatSweetJazz Well, the question was about virgin men. So I assume the goal was getting some tail.If your issue is finding serious relations. . . uhm dude, if men can't find a serious relationship wouldn't women have that same issue?
@RolandCuthbert To the first part, the context of the original question was about virgin men, but in reference to what you responded to, what you said almost seems like a non-sequitur.To the second part. No. That's not a necessity. But we do observe a growing demographic of women who do have that issue anyway, it's just that one does not necessitate the other in equal measure.
@AllThatSweetJazz Well, we are in two different societies. in America, there are more women than men. So at least when it comes to the U. S. women would probably have more difficulty than men.Maybe in Australia things are different.
@RolandCuthbert Even with more women than men, it's still not a necessity that women would have the same issue.
@AllThatSweetJazz Yeah, I am not understanding that one at all.In American society, no one talks much about a man who is single and of age.But when it comes to a woman?Like I said, maybe in your backyard things are different. But I can be single in American society and no one will raise an eyebrow. And I am almost 50.
@RolandCuthbert Even IF it's true, I think there's a plethora of reasons why people wouldn't pay attention to men, so saying that doesn't necessarily backup what you're saying. More importantly, nothing I'm saying is about people "raising an eyebrow" at anyone else. You're just going off on a tangent.
@AllThatSweetJazz I don't think I have gone off on a tangent. And I don't think you have thought through the point you are trying to make. You don't seem to know if you are arguing if men have less choices, which in America is an absurd idea as I have argued. Or if you are arguing the nebulous idea that men have more choices, but can't certain results which you seem to be vague about. If that on purpose?
@RolandCuthbert I believe I thought it out just fine. I was talking about the practical reality men have to content with in romantic pursuits and you seemed to be talking about social attitudes about men from others. I'm no sure if I'm misrepresenting your position because honestly just on a semantic level the thing you were saying just didn't line up to me so I'm not sure what you're trying to talk about, sorry.I thought I was stipulating terms well enough, but we can refine further if you like. To clarify I'll try using a bit of an analogy. I used the term "avenues", this things like dating apps or whatever else. These are "lanes" or "paths" or "streets" you can follow looking for romantic fulfilment. Then "options" would be the range of products in the stores on the street. In which case a "choice" would be making a descion that you wanted something and wanting to have it. Thus a "result" would be actually getting the product.So to communicate again what I'm saying. I don't know who has more options or whatever, because everyone just has a ton. There's loads of avenues to explore, loads of items to want and I'm sure they do want a lot of them. But when it comes to translating the "choices" into "results", that's where they face a problem.I'm saying that western culture and technology has intensified this and that the experiences of women are different in that the context is different as they are women and not men. The different sexes will experience unique dynamics. So yes, it's entirely possible for men to experience a problem without "women having that same issue."
I'd appreciate it if you continue this convo in private message. @rolandcuthbert @allthatsweetjazz
@AllThatSweetJazz Yeah, again, I don’t think you have thought through this very carefully. I understood your initial point, but you kind of modified it to talk about the “results” that men are trying to obtain, as though there is some universal goal that all men wish to achieve in Western societies. You see, I conceded that maybe in Australia things were just different. You refused that concession. Because I went on to talk about American society. To pretend that men have more difficulty finding meaningful relationships than women in this society is not really dealing with reality.What is going on in Australia, I can hardly hope to understand. I have never been there. So I can’t comment. But these universal statements do not reflect in anyway the type of society I have gown up in. As for claiming that experiences are equivalent, I wasn’t saying that men and women have the same experience. You seem to be talking about a “universal” goal, which is a “serious romantic relationship”. And if men can’t find a serious relationship with a woman, why on earth would I pretend that it would not be just as hard if not harder for women to find serious relationships with men?So again, back to this whole issue of “results”. That is really subjective and dependent upon where you live and the goals you have for yourself. These are not the same for every person or even every man.@cubstershura Mute the thread. How long have you been at GaG? This is common knowledge.
@CubsterShura I think I've made my point so I'll leave it be after this and mute.@RolandCuthbert"as though there is some universal goal that all men wish to achieve in Western societies. "When I say 'results' in reference to 'romantic pursuits' I literally mean anything you want that could be considered sexual or romantic from ONS to life-long relationships and everything in between. If it sounds universal that's because almost all guys are interested in something in that spectrum. So yeah."To pretend that men have more difficulty finding meaningful relationships than women in this society is not really dealing with reality."I disagree, I think it describes reality and the coach has been sharing but one article all throughout this thread discussing this issue. Maybe your life has been uncommon relative to most people's experiences, but just ask people on g@g, anywhere online or offline, I don't think it's at all controversial to consider women have an easier time pulling in guys than visa versa. The general tone you hear from people and the statistics is that this is the case and I think it's rather well documented at this point. And if that's not good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you other than you're just alseep."You seem to be talking about a “universal” goal, which is a “serious romantic relationship”"That's not what I defined as a universal goal, see above."if men can’t find a serious relationship with a woman, why on earth would I pretend that it would not be just as hard if not harder for women to find serious relationships with men?"Because it simply doesn't work like that. Do you think it's a numbers game? Is that the issue here? If 100% of women wanted something and 0% of men wanted that same thing, then it follows that all women are struggling to get that thing they want and men are not. Do you see how wanting different things means people can face challenges disproportionately?
"So again, back to this whole issue of “results”. That is really subjective and dependent upon where you live and the goals you have for yourself."Again, I made 'results' extremely broad because they are. See above. Even wanting nothing is a 'choice' you can make and getting nothing is an easy 'result' to achieve. Most people want something as opposed to nothing when it comes to sexuality and love. If it wasn't clear, that's what I'm talking about, not about career or whatever other goals you have for yourself. Anyway, all I said was in general women have a bit of an easier time succeeding in the realm of love and sexuality if they explore the 'avenues' and 'options' and make 'choices', etc. And I added to that by saying that modern society has exacerbated that.Done.
@CubsterShuraI don't even agree with the title of this thread. But if the title would ever be true, the reason is simply that men have become less manly and less brave.
@Battooot it's been proven statistically that apparently there are more virgin men these days and men are overall having a lot less sex than men had in past.
How far in the past? 1960's? or like the 1800's
and are those statistics taking into account how many fewer men were alive especially in the years during and post world war 1 and 2? and did they take into account the baby boom? and whether there are way more people alive right now that there was before or not?
@Battooot the statistics showed results in percentage. I read it long ago so I'm sorry that I don't remember exact details but a greater percentage of men are virgin and having less sex.twitter.com/.../1111607604348805120?s=19
Bad men ruin it for the good men.. so good men stay virgin. It’s good but it is depressing them. Because the bad men get the girls and good men don’t get the opportunity to get at least 1 girl.. so he stays single. And society has been harder on many people, not only on men!
Why do women consistently pick bad men?
Because good men don’t draw attention. I would personally go for good men.. most of time I’m with nobody because It is hard to find good people..
They don't draw attention? That is really interesting. Like what comes to mind when you say that?
i think when she's says bad , men she means confident cocky arrogant guys,and good men as the shy reclusive type,the "bad man" get more attention cos they approach and talk to the girl,the "good men" dont get attention cs theyre too shy and cowardly to approach the girl... they sorta hide in the shadows of society and go unnotiiced
@Bigfappa I agree but just trying to get her point of view as a woman.
Actually how bigfappa described. Good men are usually shy and they don’t show off. A narcissistic man is more likely to be charming than a down to earth man.. because they use these tricks to seduce women. Their tricks are softsoaping, heel licking and act like a slave for a woman. Women who like attention pay attention back to them. Good men don’t seduce but try to talk friendly. Their charms are hidden. That is why Women think that good men friendzone women.
It’s got to do with upbringing, culture and how society treats men. If you’re an introvert, you have bad luck when extroverts are adored. Sometimes they say players know the tricks how to get anything what they want. They’re manipulative and when they get anything from a woman, they break their hearts. This is why I’ve been very picky. At young age I knew which men were seductive, vile and dishonest in relationships. They’re too nice, too polite and too complimenting in the beginning. Their flirting style is revolting to me. Because it is too too much. I know after all the compliments and nice gestures you get a good beating, physically and/or mentally. In western Europe many men have begun to behave like pigs - I’m not gonna apologise for this. Because the society admires promiscuity more than normal relationships. good men don’t exist any more I get the idea sometimes or they’re afraid of rejection that’s why they never ask out... -talkin from experience.
Coach, you inspired me to write a myTake!Cell phones, social media, self-confidence, and losing your virginity! ↗
Sweet! I will check it out!
I think the main reason is a relative lack of decent-paying jobs for men
Despite the popular option of blaming men (for everything), I think its actually fairly apparent that the issue is women. To be fair I don't think its intentional at least in part, but you have feminism telling women to be the exact opposite of what women are and thus the exact opposite of what men are most attracted to. You have them pushing for relationships that cannot work i. e. "equal"(except they are not equal, he does more and invests more and is held to many standards and she is held to no standard), which goes against our biological inclinations and makes life harder (imagine a business where every worker is expected to be "equal" i. e. no one had clearly defined tasks or jobs to do, they where told to get a job done and that every one was responsible. How well do you think it would work? The answer is it wouldn't work at all. That's modern relationships, no one knows their role and so they argue over who should do what but on top of that they have biological inclinations so for instance women absolutely expect men to be bread winners BUT women also want to be breadwinners. This means that men have to now work MORE then women do (also why women are waiting longer to marry becacuse they do not generally speaking marry some one who makes less then them, this is making it incredibly difficult for men to get into relationships because the standards are raised up so high (and in this day and age women have all the advantages when it comes to acquiring jobs (from quotas and lower requirements to preferential treatment in academics and the workplace) which means they are more likely to make more). The other issue is hormonal birth control which alters their brain chemistry. Basically they become less attracted to masculine faces and more attracted to feminine faces BUT they become overly attracted to (pseudo)"masculine" behavior. This would explain the seeming increase in "bisexuality" in women and also the fact that statistically 70% of women have had rape fantasies and the largest consumers of extreme violent porn (gangbang, rape/forced sex, bdsm degradation etc.) are women. Its also been shown to cause women to have "higher standards" i. e. because they are less attracted, they want more extreme "male" characteristics like status, wealth, aggressiveness etc. which most men cannot provide (because on average men are average (also more then likely this is the reason why according to surveys women thought that 80% of men where "below average" in attractiveness.)). On top of that you have the increased promiscuity of women in society (or at least it is perceived to be as such), which is a turn off for men who are inclined towards relationships. In addition, you have the #metoo movement that pretty much stated that every man is a rapist, rules on campuses that state that when a woman is drunk and so is he its rape, when she is drunk and he is not its rape, and when she isn't and he is its still rape (him commiting it of course as we don't acknowledge female on male rape). You have guys being accused of sexual harassment over nothing (Anise Ansari had consentual sex with a woman and she accused him of rape (even admitting that she did not say no, that she went to his apartment with him etc. A MP in Canada was accused of rape by a woman even though the woman herself admitted she consented and even provided the condom.). Then you have the fact that all of this is a hurtle and potentially destructive to men (along with the complete absents of reproductive rights, parental rights and spousal rights of men and the issue of women being the primary instigator of divorce and beneficiary) for them meanwhile porn is readily available.This is why we are seeing this more then ever before.
I can tell you why I am, I think that would be much more useful than just giving my opinion. Grew up in an abusive and neglectful household with each divorced parent, spent my high school years very depressed, socially anxious and awkward, getting involved with the opposite sex didn't even cross my mind. I had very few friends.Started working out of high school in a business with hardly any young people, none of them being women. Realized I wanted a girlfriend, there was no way I'd get one and I was still extremely socially awkward so even if there were girls in my environment I'd probably weird them out.Once I started college I started browsing 'foreveralone' stuff on reddit, and later this led me to find the general manosphere, but MGTOW really struck a chord with me. I now realize that 75% of it is BS, but it's still good to know being alone is an acceptable choice. While that's my history, today I just don't want to spend any effort getting a girlfriend. Like... most girls my age don't interest me, many are out of shape, I don't want a girl that's had a bunch of casual sex, I feel like women have real piss-poor values, they don't have any cool hobbies or activities we could do together, all the women I meet are super left-wing and it's kind of gross... I get the sense that professional women look down on me. I've always been more of a romantic type so casual relationships are nasty to me. If I meet a girl I want to be her friend first, for at least a month before there's any romance. And in modernity you have to have anal by the third meeting or the relationship is a failure.But yeah... mostly because I'm too lazy to find and earn a quality girl, and I don't feel like the effort is worth the reward.I'm find hanging out with friends and rubbing one out to porn.
Actually, I don't mean to ignore your question, but what data supports the thesis? I've never see ANY data suggesting that there are more virgin men now than ever before.To be sure, things like traditional dating are down - mostly because social media has made face-to-face interactions less likely than they have been historically. There was a time when there was no such thing BUT face-to-face socialization, after all.Birthrates are down in most of the Western world, but there is a whole host of reasons for that. Indeed, that is the normal demographic pattern for man. Rising birthrates, leveling off and decline. Right now Africa is the youngest continent - does that mean there are fewer virgin men there or that fewer men are having more children? (The average family size in Africa is larger, for a variety of reasons, than in the West.)At any rate, on current patterns, the world's human population will level off in the early part of the next century and then begin to decline. Just imagine how many virgin men there will be then!Beyond that, within those broader trends there are cultural variations. Illegitimate births are also down - but that has varied across time as cultural attitudes have shifted. Ditto births to teen mothers and the like.Bottom line and long way around, I've not seen an data to support the thesis that undergirds the question. The funny part being, then, that the answer to your poll is "None of the above" and "All of the above."
Here you are coach world savior dude:Women have been trained and indoctrinated at a fundamental level since they were little that they don’t need men (although they depend on the male societal infrastructure to survive). As soon as a woman was relieved from the need of the individual man to survive, she was disincentivized to bond in relationships so that is the reason they fail so often so miserably. A woman still thinks she wants a relationship but that is due to an evolved reflex and so it is only driven by temporary bliss emotions. Women overestimate their smv because the media and gynocentric marketing have brainwashed them. The media and marketing also overuse men buffoons to tap into the female ego, which has damaged any respect women have for men. So women are toxic against men. Woman’s true innate nature has been exposed to reveal her evolved manipulation of man for his resources and the man has no other value beyond that. Her nature has also shown her to be a tree swinging promiscuous oversexed creature ready trade up as soon as a new better alfa comes along.I think many men are demotivated and turned off by the exposed elements of the new woman and probably simply don’t care about continuing the species.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying here... I don't think women overestimate their SMV because when a 9 takes them home and they are a 4 that is exactly where they believe they should be. They don't care if he was drunk with beer goggles. The next day they go after more 9's. Once they have bitten that apple they aint' going back to the grape.
But I am only an 8.9.
Looks like you are safe!
Women in general are more crazy via things like feminism and more men are getting screwed over by em now a days is a large variety of ways. I saw a news story a while back about one senator or something wanting to make it legal to send men to prison if they lied to a woman to get sex like if they said they made more money to make themselves seem more attractive.This law would have required the guy to show the woman his birth certificate, taxes, pay stubs and a bunch of other nonsense to not only confirm what he was saying but also his identity. Luckily it was never passed or ever taken seriously but still. You gotta ask yourself why would you put yourself at risk of getting your life destroyed or your reputation trashed when you could avoid it all and not have to deal with it. Like why would you risk having sex with a woman knowing that she could slap you with a rape charge and the courts would probably believe her. And even if you were able to successfully defend yourself your reputation would be trashed and you'd never recover from nor ever get rid of the fact that you got charged with rape even if your innocent. But it's not just that men generally work far more hours at far more labor intensive jobs and just don't have the time or energy to go out where you would meet a woman.I work a manual labor job all day and when I come home I am exhausted I usually take 1-2 hour nap first thing when I get home. And in a couple of weeks I am gonna start working from 6am to 6pm, 6 days a week with only Sunday off. Last thing I wanna do when I go home is go out and try to get a date or meet anyone. All I wanna do is sleep and drink. It's just a large majority of things.
Totally agree with this
Because most women no longer look for the well-dressed, elegant gentleman anymore. They love to be used and abused nowadays by pursuing the animalistic, slovenly, conformist “men” who sleep around simply for validation from their mates, rarely ever for love of the girl. Most women have lost their pure taste for men since the 1960s. The greatest men I know happen to struggle with women and are usually virgins, and so deserve better! The most disgusting men I know are typically popular, conformist, conceited, tattoo-infected, ugly, uncivilized fuckboys. Honestly, our generation is probably the slowest in some centuries, because too many women have become somewhat primitive again by breeding with these obnoxious, ignorant men instead of the majority intelligent gentlemen with the healthiest genes
Amen to that👏
I cannot disagree. This does occur for sure! Thanks for the well thought out comment.
Because there seem to be more weak men these days. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. Nothing turns women off more than weakness, and nothing turns them on more than strength. That's what women are really talking about when they say "confidence". Laugh off insults, stick to your guns on your opinions, face physical danger using fear to your advantage instead of letting it cripple you, make decisions thoughtfully and assertively... these are things powerful men do, and it turns women on like nothing else
Very good points!
- Both men's and women's standards have gotten higher. Less attractive men and women have become more picky, maybe more entitled. While the attractive ones are much more likely to be very arrogant. Humility used to be hotter than assertiveness imho.- Greater awareness (STDs, unwanted/forced parenthood, etc.)- Principles- And yes, the risk of false accusations of harassment and rape that can ruin innocent men. The awareness that the reverse will not be true for women (the absurd idea that women cannot rape men for example).
Furthermore (or in support of the first point); media (TV, movies, books, instagram, even music and video games) not only present idealized versions of partners we (both men and women) want, they suggest such people account for the majority. Thus, we are likely to either think "if I wait, the perfect person will appear (and soon)", or "none of these people will be interested in an average-looking guy/girl like me".
If that is true, I could see depression and low self-esteem having a lot to do with it. This generation is worse off than their parents and that situation affects multitudes of people, Male and female alike. It makes you want to go out less, do less, talk less, all these behaviors that make you isolated from the world, not meeting people in general, let alone women. However, I think it's not any higher or lower than it was in the past. Virgins are just more vocal because of social media and the like nowadays. We just know about it more especially with the rise of movements like incels and the like.
Just a lack of pursuit.You can't get what you don't pursue. But why are there less men pursuing women? I don't think it's so much that fewer total men are trying to pursue, but fewer guys are persevering. They give up or let one shut down stop them on the next girl. Just last night I saw this guy that clearly came alone and seemed to have a decent vibe. Hit on a girl and it didn't go anywhere. Effected his mood to the point he sat alone for the rest of the time I saw him, just not talking to anybody. I think a lot of guys do that. Just stand around wishing they would/could do something with a girl, but don't try either because of feeling inadequate compared to other guys, thoughts of past failure, or feeling discouraged in some way.
Toxic feminity. Guys have to do 90% of the work for a chance to get a girl. It’s constant triangles for men we get fed up easily. Were all fed up of approaching convincing for days for a date then maybe getting rejected. If your successful you have months of work to initiate conversation initiate the first kiss the first time of sex. Then if there are arguments the guy has to man up and approach to end the arguments. And even after all this she may break up with you or cheat on you. All that money spent on dates all that time and effort gone just like that while she did nothing pretty much and ends it without a second thought. She goes back to nothing being picked up by another guy easy. Men? Well we go back through all this effort for another maybe hence I just cannot be bothered I don’t have the stamina.
it's a lot of those reasons, and I'm not sure which is more potent...it's all the reasons except men's standards being too high, because oh good lord they are NOT, and you will know this by the amount of hypergamy chicks get away with these daysI think the main reason is women's standards are too high... they all try to fuck chad and get pump and dumped while the dudes they shouldda been with wait on the sidelines, and you know what? By the time that used slut comes around the mountain when she comes, LOT'S OF US ARE TURNIN OUR BACKS AND WALKIN THE FUCK AWAYand that's called having self respect. All you men who indulge women in their bullshit for a fuck, YOU are the problem.
There aren't more virgins, more men are being honest. It's more accepted to wait & people are generally more comfortable with sexuality. I waited til I was 18 and the internet wasn't what it is now. The girls in my life were supportive and informative. They taught me everything I needed to know & and the guys were the worst. What they did tell me was either bullshit or exaggerations & it always ended with the implication that there was something wrong with me if I wasn't active. Which almost of them actually were. Most of the guys I knew weren't virgins but they weren't really active. We make to big of a deal out of virginity and sex. This generation is redefining sex & intimacy. If nothing else more people are comfortable talking about their sex lives & there are more virgins owning it. If there are more It's because they lack social skills and opportunity. Few men are religious enough to stay abstinent
JayMichigan616, when I was growing up us girls had a saying the boys that are talking are safe the boys that are quiet about sex beware!! I always went to the boys that were quiet while my girlfriends went for the talkers... The saying was proven to be true!! We were all brought up with same values wait until marriage, but I knew I Never wanted to get married so why wait at all... My two Best GFs waited till marriage but one's husband did...
cause "breaking news" girls on tinder are not inclined to fuck you cause you've sent them a dick pick XD apparently that's news to the younger generation.
Why do you think guys keep sending them? Did they hear somewhere this shit works?
it's probably the thought: "hey i'd like to see pussy so they must like to see dick" xD
I guess it could be that simple LOL.
Yes, it's a projection. It's the same reason why some guys don't understand attraction. They project how it works for them, onto women...
@Truthatanycost how does it work for them?
Omg cause it's way way easier for any girl to get a guy to have sex with. Even fat or ugly, no boobs or huge boobs. Girls.If I want sex its easy to get guy to fuck. But if guy wants sex it way harder to find girl for sex.All the "sex sites" there to get guys sex (probably just take there money)
thats true and we all know girls only go for tall and handsome dudes and all the other ugly short dudes are left virgins u right about that
100% this exactly lol.
wow, a girl that agrees with my opinion, i dunno why 100 other girls denied its way easier for them when i brought up this fact, i guess they jus like to feel like a victim of something
@YvanKarma but respect to u sarah, this is so true
Girls are now much better educated and aware about the world, ave much more confidence in themselves, have raised the bar for men to achieve, and are increasingly more assertive and dominant in the relationship. Girls now choose who they want to be with or without. An increasing number of men find it difficult to cope with this major social change, and more and more find themselves left out in the cold.
God you're lost. That's 100% NOT the reason. Men are willingly abandoning women because the egos and emotions are too much too deal with. Look up how many women are crying that men aren'y chasing anymore.
@ronaldo75 not to mention a simple fact, the richest women in the world, is around the bottom of ocean. If this is about sex, If it was not for being married in a good sexual environment, I would buy all the women I would need. Sex as much as I want. Finito
You're so full of s**t loser!
@Lucina_Rose How can I be? I have all the beautiful women I want. I won't settle for second best. I rather not have, I love the envious looks I get when I am in public with my beautiful hot wife. I am not a desperado.
@Badballie I wasn't talking to you sweetie I should have clarified. Many of these female opinions are highly offensive and I can't stand the disrespectful. Don't mind her.
@Lucina_Rose thank you kind young lady. I appreciate you clarification.
a lot of people argue, and say, its because a lot of guys, lack strong, grounded masculine role models in their formative years growing up, being raised by single moms, but often times that's not the case, many guys grow up with both parents around, its just that maybe the Dad was not Alpha enough in the household.Because of that, it feels like, becoming a Man, or just a Real Man, is a process for guys, but for girls, women, transitioning in womanhood happens for them automatically without doing anything at all.
Because they want to. Plain and simple. I'm actually happy. As long as they get with the right kind of person. The rest is probably toxic and given on here, a good majority are.
"Because they want to"You have any data to show it's voluntary?
@ForbesMagazine You don't need data, its common sense. I'm a virgin by choice. People are virgins and nonvirgins by choice unless raped or medically inept to do so or able to make those choices. Anybody who is sexually healthy and able can have sex. It's not that hard. Sex is everywhere. How they chose to access it is on them. I believe in waiting till marriage so it's not my problem they don't want to wait either.
"its common sense."For explaining sociological changes? Absolutely not, he's talking about upwards trends of virginity, of course people choosing to wait is a factor, but you can't assume it's the main factor. There are a lot of involuntary celibates out there, they certainly didn't choose. How do you know they don't constitute a majority of virgin men?
@ForbesMagazine It doesn't matter, virginity is virginity, it's not a trend. The hookup culture is a trend. "There are a lot of involuntary celibates out there, they certainly didn't choose. How do you know they don't constitute a majority of virgin men?" As I said. It's a choice. They could have had sex with anybody or thing. Even if they pay for it. So it's ridiculous. Nobody owes anybody anything.
". They could have had sex with anybody or thing"Yikes, prostitution is illegal and hard to access for many; many women won't sleep with them, it's not as accessible as you think; it's called INVOLUNTARY celibacy for a reason. I never said anyone "owes" someone something. You're a lunatic, bugger off.
@ForbesMagazine And THIS is why you FIND A WIFE. Period. Not my period. How am I a lunatic? If no guy is going to wait for marriage like me, it's not my issue they can't get sex. I don't agree with prostitution. But it doesn't stop people, does it? Premarital sex is a sin. I don't need to bugger off. You do. It's my comment feed.
You're a lunatic because you're extremely bigoted, incredulous, and you substitute data with lived experience.
@ForbesMagazine oh please... everybody has a choice.
This question is about men. Most virgin men would be more than happy to change their virginity status.
It's not about changing their virgin8ty status, but the fact that their a virgin who if they aren't waiting till marriage to have sex or is physically and or mentally ill, and nothing is wrong with their penis or sex drive, 9/10x makes excuses since they won't wait. A girl is not a ticket to lose it to. A relationship is not an excuse to lose it. It's about building a relationship. And what they want is to lose it to a girl their dating for the sake of dating and having sex. That s all. It's selfish reasons and calls it 'waiting for the right one'.
I have no idea what you just said.
If they actually did it for self and was taught better, they would know to wait for marriage and get a girl who shares their values. It's really not that difficult. It's only difficult when you make it more complicated than it is. I'm a virgin myself, even I wouldn't use that excuse.
If you are not waiting for marriage to have sex, is not physically or mentally impaired to the point you are complete IMCAPABLE of having sexual relations, your making excuses. And nobody in their right mind is going go listen to a hypocrite when access yo sex is that easy. Like I told the other male user. There are prostitutes, right? People hookup at bars, college, and clubs, RIGHT? Whats the excuse? None. I don't agree with it. Premarital sex is a sin. So if they want premarital sex, nothing is holding them back but themselfs. Virginity is not something you toss way. But its their choice if they want too. Many are unhealthy mentally minded anuway but shake women for their issues. All say all women are hoes, when they think and act just like one. I'm not pitying these type of people.
There are many men who can't get sex from women but don't want to turn to prostitutes. Stop pushing it.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies I don't have to push it. It doesn't matter what they want. If they don't want to wait for marriage. Aw well. Nobody is going to stop their lives to toxic people. Marriage or Prostitute. Any girl who wants to is on her. Dating relationships never had a place for sex. People made it that way. So let them figure it out.
As I said. I don't agree with premarital sex anyway. It's their choice. They have options. Nobody owes them sex. Sex is a marriage and marriage is all about having sex. They have sex with somebody their not legally married to, they have to answer for that and who they end up destroying. That's all. I didn't make the rules.
I don't understand your point. There is more virgin men today because women are waiting til marriage?You really are making no point related to the question, even if you are right.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies No. There are MORE virgin men because they don't BOTHER trying to get somebody to marry and actually communicate with. They seek women to toss away their virginity to and think they're entitled. OR they keep going after women who they don't know [strangers] who obviously don't want virgin men. And the girls who are waiting want them, but the guys don't want the girls. Especially, if they're not sexually attracted to them, more so based on pornography standards. The majority are BEYOND picky and very unrealistic. Look at Japan, many of them have physical requirements for girls that it's unbelievable. Many can't appreciate a real woman. They just want boobs to touch, ass the squeeze and a vagina to poke in. That's all. Real men find wives. They just can't find a SUITABLE one. But they will never say their incels. A huge difference.
My point is there is nothing wrong with virginity be it for men or women and it should not receive shame. If they feel shame, that's their problem. They don't do it for self. They do it to people please society because they feel their not a 'real man' if their a virgin like a good few women feel their not a 'real woman' if she's still a virgin or unmarried. It's virgin-shaming.
Pretty sure men just like to have a lot of sex. And today there is more women than ever who like to have premarital sex and still there are virgin men. So it's not an issue of men not looking for wives. Because most men who can't find a girl to have sex with can't find a girlfriend/future wife either.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies Nope. They just want to screw. That's it. And then when its all said an done, and somebody gets knocked up, or they're FORCED to marry who they knocked up or take someone's innocence, then their pissed. Okay, you can't keep making excuses for people. That's why they get their just rewards. And women who have sex outside of marriage pays for it too. With men not wanting them because their not virgins anymore and their character of how they choose to have sex shows that. Again, it's a choice. It's only as bad if they can't get what they want. Women are less likely to be married to the guy they want if she is not a virgin of sleep around a lot, just like men are less to be considered just for being sexually inexperienced as a virgin girl. The point is if you don't want to do it's God way, deal with the problem. That's what I tell people. They could have had been with me, BUT they don't want to wait for marriage. Not my problem they can't treat good women like me right. That's how they lose them.
They're attitude and lack of knowing who is right for them and being appreciative of women is how many of them can't get one, let alone KEEP one. I'm not even that picky. Heck, I can't even say I'm picky at all. But I am not going to be used as some human sex toy. There is a time and place for sex. Sex is deep. It's not all about pleasure. Since they can't understand that, that's why they suffer more. Not everybody likes the idea of sex because nobody really knows how to have sex anymore. They have sex like animals and it makes others not desire that. Sex is not supposed to be like this.
You've lost it completely. Like to have a lot of sex = want to screw.Am I missing something?You're just pissed people don't want to wait til marriage. And keep God out of any discussion okay? Your belief is not an argument.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies I'm pissed? I don't even CARE! I'm happy as a virgin. It's not my problem they want to screw themselves up. It's not an argument. IT's FACT. Nobody likes it, take it up with the creator himself. That's all. At any time I can be with somebody. OUT OF CHOICE. I will not make an excuse for people who can't learn to grow up and make serious adult decisions when nobody has to hold their hand. Either they get off their ass and find somebody or sit their and sulk. That's all.
If they like the idea of wanting sex, MARRY. That's what a marriage is for. That's why society is all screwed up and people with mental illness and raping people. Nobody thinks anymore. People are too lazy to form proper relationships. It's a choice. They're not babies, they're grown ass men.
You're writing not so articulate essays so yes, you sound pissed to me.And getting married just so you could have sex, which is what happens a lot when people decide to wait, is, mildly to say, bad.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies Oh, it's bad when nearly 90% of divorces happen because people didn't wait for marriage to have sex, especially women who had 2 or more partners? They have study after study after study about it. And it increases with each sex partner, especially if they were cohabitating before marriage and lost their virginity before the age of 18. I don't have to write an essay. I write what I'm writing because you either DO know what I'm saying and took offense to what I said about it, or your unable to fully understand what is being said. If I'm pissed at anything, its people doing stupid dumb things, act stupid and then drag sane people like me down with their toxicity. It's like you people don't have a BRAIN anymore. What I choose to do with my life is nobody's business at that point. I'm just sick of all of the pathetic excuses when everybody has options.
People not waiting for sex til marriage is not the reason more people get divorce now. More divorces happen now because women, who are by the way initiators of divorce in 70% of the cases, have better means to live after a divorce, as they are less depending on the husband (not to mention they pass way better in most cases after the divorce).And if it happens that there are much more non divorcing couples who waited til marriage than those who didn't, it's because they never knew anything else.People who have hookups every Saturday hardly fall into the same cathegory as someone who's been in a couple of stable long term relationship and had premarital sex with their long term partner. Of course people who engage in hookup culture and casual sex are going to have failed marriages, that's not even a question. It says something about their character.Still. None if this is really related to the question asked.
The question was: "Why are there more virgin men nowadays?" The answer is not because they don't want to get married.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies Do you want me to pull up the scientific studies that show this? I have been observing and studying people all my life. And with the people I have in my life and living in my parents' dysfunctional marriage and see the breakdown of my own friend's marriages, I think it's safe to say I know a lot more than led on. ""Why are there more virgin men nowadays?" Like I said. THEY WANT TO. That's all. They have choices. This shouldn't even be a debate. It's their life, their choice.
If the girl they want to have sex with refuse sex before marriage and they don't want to wait, whose fault is it?If the guy the other girls want is rejected because he doesn't like her physical appearance, whose fault is it?If the girl the guy wants to have sex with won't because he is inexperienced, whose fault is it?If the guy has an opportunity to a One Night Stand and he doesn't do it, WHOSE FAULT IS IT?If the guy has money for legal prostitution and he doesn't want to be $20+ an hour for sexual services, WHOSE FAULT is IT?Nobody else's fault.
Yes please, I would love to see those.And marriage or prostitute isn't really a choice.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies Marriage and prostitution is a choice even if its life or death. Its a choice to live and sometimes its a choice to die. Nobody is forcing people to marry or to have sex. If sex is not consensual, its rape. Not that hard to figure out.
Why are you bringing up rape? Irrelevant to the question.Marrying someone for the sake of sex is just as bad as marrying someone because you accidentally made a baby in a casual relationship. Of course you aren't seeing this because what's important to you is to wait til marriage because God says so, right?I am waiting for that scientific evidence.
Here they are. Both articles, statistics, scholar reports, etc on premarital sex, cohabitation, pornography, etc. Yes, it all CONNECTED. Please be patient as my internet is wacky at the moment due to inclement weather. thefederalist.com/.../www.theatlantic.com/.../drzoeshaw.com/.../heinonline.org/.../ndlep18&div=7&id=&page=&t=1558544154ifstudies.org/.../waitingtillmarriage.org/.../www.yahoo.com/.../...s-divorce-risk-144722762.htmlwww.mensjournal.com/.../does-marriage-helps-you-live-longer-20140610
Okay no problem.
@GiveMeAllTheCookies I brought it up because you said that marriage or being a prostitute is not a choice.
I couldn't open some of those links, but what i find interesting here, and it's something I've already mentioned above, is that a couple of these articles mentioned a persons character as a possible explanation for this. As in, a person who is more likely to hook up is more likely to be unsatisfied in a commited relationship. It makes a lot of sense. Person who is willing to wait probably has such character that prioritizes commitment.Men have wanted to have sex with many women before marriage and with no commitment since the dawn of times. Nothing especially new there. Before when marriage was more or less only option you had as a woman, it made men have easier access to sex. Then came sexual revolution, the pill, feminism and here we are. Most people aren't against premarital sex. More than ever. So why are there guys who can't get it, even a hookup?Because they don't want to pick between marriage or prostitution is not the answer t
To that question.Men who have hard time finding women have hard time finding women in general, for sex, relationship, or marriage.
Those researches you posted make a lot of sense but they just aren't linked to the question.
As I have said before they simply have choices. It is nobody's job to be having premarital sex with anybody. They can't get a hookup because they don't even bother to really care about another person's needs and standards. All they care about is themselves, so what do you think they're going to get with the people to try to hook up with? People who are also going to only care about themselves.
It's not that is not linked to the question. It's a fact that people don't want to be responsible for the choices that used in making their lies but then blame other people for the choices that they refuse to even participate in but say they want so badly. It's really not rocket science. It's a simple matter of do or don't do. It's the same thing with me. If I so badly wanted that I have choices. I can either wait until marriage as God commanded me to. Or just pick any but I don't matter how to say handsome or not and just do whatever. Or pay for it to happen. Is that easy. But I refuse to stand before God let alone all myself and miss out on greater sexual experiences that you can only have as a virgin with another in a marriage. It's all about what people really want out of it. And as an old song goes, You Can't Always Get What You Want. That's why I only focus on what I know that I need in my life. And that is not a man who is not going to wait and share those experiences with me.
By people having more sex outside of marriage is it slowing down chances for people who actually want the type of relationships that they require. The difference between me and them is that I accept my choices and I'm okay with it. They can't accept their choices but they're pissed about it. That's not the child who is always upset because their parents tell him know about having sweet, but they want sweets now, instead of listening to the parent about them having sweets after they have their dinner. If not, they won't get sweets. Do you like spoiled children who are never satisfied with anything. So even if they do end up losing their virginity they still won't be happy. And that's just going to make the other person miserable.
I don't even think we disagree that much but yes, my opinion is not only hookup based, I mean all men in general. Those who would marry first would still have the question of sex solved, right? So if you can get a wife, you can get sex too. If you can get a relationship, you can get sex too, because people are all for premarital sex. So most of those men have troubles with women in general.
No. They have problems with women because they don't even know themselves. They can't learn to truly love and accept themselves as a version so they want to try to gain that love it except is by having sex. I noticed for being a virgin myself for over 20 years of my life. And being one has taught me a great deal that if I cannot love myself as I am I would not be able to truly love myself if I'm not. They have been shamed and degraded since the dawn of feminism. Since men were taking out of the homes to serving Wars that we should not even be involved in, and taking women out to work so that way they won't be any kind of used to a man since there's no stability at the home. It's all interconnected. And smart people knows not to trouble themselves in the modern way of living if they expect to truly succeed in life. It don't matter how much modern Trends have changed how we choose to pick Partners. It's all about what we ourselves Desiring and choosing to have in our life that will determine whether or not we will be successful or not. While the times and Trends have changed, the rules and Dynamics about Life Choices have not. And that's why many people are still in that same cycle because they still haven't learned those lessons. And until they learn this for themselves they will still be held back a grade. What everybody else is advancing in their careers and their family lives.
As a virgin*
Men want sex because they're full of testosterone, not because they don't know themselves.And they can't get sex easily because women get to be more picky about who they have sex with/date/marry.
Actually it's not because they're full of testosterone. It's because we have simply taught ourselves that if we don't have sex we will never be able to have true happiness. It all boils down to Plato and Socrates in Greek philosophy. The world believes in Greek thought. They don't believe in Godly thought. Women don't get to be more picky simply because we're picking. We're picky because we're taught that way. It becomes part of our genetics. And anything that we do our descendants will do.
As many times my father has been shut down by plenty of women, he still was able to have sex with over 40 + women including my sisters mother and my late mother combined. And he didn't throw away opportunities. He took them. He did it because again he was taught that and he is only 56 years old. He wish that he had known better otherwise he wouldn't have done it. He overall one of family life. He wanted to have children. He wanted to get married. But most of those girls did not want to marry him but they fooled around with him and other guys while they was with him sexually. My mother only had two sex partners her entire life. The one that gave her an STD, and my father who she married for 23 years. So it's all about opportunity and choices. Even for my close friend who is no longer a virgin. She's been dating since she was 13. She took opportunities with any person that showed interest and who that she equally showed interest in. When she made a decision to lose it as a young adult that was because of what she already wanted because she desired that so badly. Even though she wanted to wait until marriage to have sex. But her fear that she would never be able to do so drove her into those situations and she ended up making serious mistakes that now affects her entire life. She now looks at these things very differently. It's the same with me. I had opportunity since I was 8 years old. But I made a decision to not update because my mother did not want me getting it to 18. And most importantly I already knew and saw that I was not ready for that kind of relationship. But I also didn't reject them simply because of how they were looking. I rejected them for how they chose to treat me after I said that I only date a friend, and will only have sex in a marriage. They had plenty of opportunities to share that life with me but they did not want that. Just like I had opportunities to fool around but that's not what I wanted to do.
Actually it is due to testosterone. It's a simple scientific fact. Your father didn't have sex with 40+ women because he wanted to marry all of them. He had sex with 40+ women because he was horny and they were available.There is nothing deep about that
We as human beings are designed to be sexual because that is exactly how God made us. But there is an appointed time when he expects us to have sex and that is in a marriage. With those articles and statistics studies You Now understand why he made it that way for a reason. It is not our job to try to tell God what to do or how we choose to live our lives. He is the designer and the Creator, so he knows how these things work. We trying to think we know better than God and that we know more than him when we really don't. That's why every single day and every single year we always coming up with different studies and different trends that don't always correlate with each other. Because people sadly do not have an idea of what they're really doing into is far too late. We are human beings with needs and desires. But we must also learn to respect and honor each other. It is important that we all live Healthy Lifestyles because we all rely and depend on each other. And If all we're going to do is hurt and destroy each other then we really don't need to be around each other let alone be involved in things that's going to get us hurt or killed. If we were designed to be having sex with everybody and outside of marriage, we wouldn't be having STDs, we wouldn't be having divorces, we wouldn't be having to worry about children out of wedlock, we wouldn't have to be even worrying about dying from maternal deaths. We wouldn't be suffering but here we are suffering.
If pornography and masturbation are no problem, men wouldn't be having erectile dysfunctions, they should be able to experience sex the way they want to with whoever they wish, they wouldn't be so miserable or suicidal. They wouldn't have a need to molest or rape somebody, because it will all be natural. But why aren't these things natural? Because it was never designed to be that way. And instead we followed thought, and just like the Greeks and Romans have destroyed themselves, we are now repeating the same history and we are slowly but surely destroying ourselves. As much as abortion is a problem. It hardly puts a dent to the real problem with people that are still alive. I'd rather not make that future for myself or future descendants. It's not my problem that a man cannot get that. Because at the end of the day he's not the one that has to carry children and worrying about dying from his irresponsibility. Let alone my own. Men get that way because they are not put in women's shoes.
No he told me that exactly himself it was all out of choice. Because he hope that he will be able to marry one of them. Not because he was horning. He had said that if he was that wait and he could have had it his way he would have God forbid Ben rapist. Has nothing to do with this tosterone. We all got choices on how we choose to live our lives. Just because I have urges myself that doesn't mean I go screw any guy I see. Is having self-control. And a lot of them are not taught to have self control. In fact we were not even like this many eons ago. This whole thing is entirely new and it got worse over time. Many of them are hormonal imbalance the same way many of us are.
So you are saying your father has formed such a meaningful relationship that would lead to marriage with over 40 women during his life? What a joke. Sexual desire is very natural, what are you talking about? People who rape and molest and mentally derranged and they happened because nature ia not perfect.
And he knows plenty of other guys that are around his age that he grew up with and had went to work with that are the exact same way. They like that because they have interest in fooling around and they were taught that back in the 1960s and 70s. Back in the time with the pin-up girls and they were all taught that white women with blonde hair blue eyes have better sex. I know this because he told me about all of these growing up. He was fine pornography magazines in my grandmother's drawer and he sneak amount and that's how he got interested in sex. Besides the influence of my oldest uncle it would be bringing girls that he will be having sex with in my grandmother's apartment. Even once having sex in front of him. That's how a lot of these men get exposed to these things. Other than that if they weren't already taught that a little self-taught they wouldn't even worry about these things so much. They can't know these things if they weren't already exposed to these things. That's the same thing with us. We can feel all sorts of things, but if we don't know what we're feeling we're going to be doing any sorts of things without knowing which is correct and what is not correct. And lot of them are horny the way they are because they've been masturbating and watching porn all the time and it's making it worse. Like even what my father said. The moment that he experienced that the more that he wanted that. So these men have to make that decision for themselves whether or not is appropriate for them to be having that in their lives or not. Has nothing to do with science.
Yeah I consider it a joke too but hey he was married to my mother since the time of her death and that's just that. And he still feels connected to my mother for the last three years that he don't even want another woman anymore. I had never said that sexual desire isn't natural. I had Sip and said that there's a time and place for that. No, people rape and molest not because they are mentally deranged, it's because they are dealing with situations where they cannot release those urges the way that society says that we should. With enough Rejection it can mess with a man's mind. That is how powerful God had made man's desire for sex is. But his desire for sex should be that was his wife whom he loves. Instead men don't even have wives to really love and even if they do they don't treat them right. That's why are these men have such problems with women because they deal with attachment issues stemming from their childhood. They got studies on these things. It's because people don't want to take men seriously, that's why it's getting worse. And because women likes to mess around with a man's mind, don't even know what type of person that dealing with into that person snaps. Women have no full understanding of men. And they don't care to understand. So because women don't care to understand, that's why men are no longer give a damn. That's why they feel entitled. Because they are tired of being shamed for just being who they are: men.
No offense but that's a bunch of bullshit. Are you saying you never feel no sexual desire whatsoever? None at all?
I don't disrespect a man for his desires and wants. I don't give respect to how he chooses to get it no different for a woman.
I just told you that I have urges like any other human being. But just because I have that doesn't mean I go around doing whatever I want. I have self control for myself. Because I know that's not how I want to treat a person let alone how I want to be treated back. Is choice for me to be the way how I am. But I learn to have self control not pay attention to those things because there is more to life than these things. And I don't need more problems than what I already have for myself. It's you people who sadly don't have any self-control but then you complain about the type of problems that you deal with sexually in with the type of people that you got. And by me being by myself long enough as I have I can clearly see why, and I can pretty much see why the Bible's speaks about these things being true. A lot of you don't even know what you're really doing until it's too late.
I know you just told me you have urges just like anyone else. Which translates to: sexual urges are natural and out of control if we want them or not. Only how we react to them is in our control.So yes, men do want sex due to testosterone because sexual urges are what nature gave us, not what we have taught ourselves.
Call it BS, but I wouldn't be a virgin to way how I am if it wasn't. I would have been married at 13 because that's how bad my own body's desires was. But just because it's my body's desires that doesn't mean is my personal desires. My personal desires at one point in my life was to share that with a husband. But because nobody did not want that life with me what can I do? I had a choice as I said plenty of times before. I had a choice to stay by myself, or choose to fool around. I chose to stay by myself, cuz I wasn't going to have myself to be used and tossed away, and be looked at as a hoe. I wasn't going to have myself be sexually destroyed because others couldn't wait. I deserve the best kind sexual quality God had designed for us. It's choice go toss those opportunities away and then throw away partners and spouses because of so-called ' bad sex, when it has to do with the state of mind. So all of those frustrations and problems you guys have, has to do with your brain. And how you chose to condition yourself. So instead of sex being a positive thing to your life it's making you sick and miserable. And I have seen what it has done to my own parents. I rather be smart than dumb.
I don't think you really understand how sex actually works. Has nothing to do with testosterone. Testosterone can be there or not be there. But you can have natural testosterone or you can have synthetic ones. And with all the chemicals and pollutants that is in our food, water supply, personal care products, and even the clothes that we wear on our backs a full of synthetic hormones and we take them every single day along with drugs. Why do you think they are like that? Why do you think we as women are like that? Because we are not healthy the way we should be as human beings. It is how we taught ourselves because everything that we do is genetic. And everything that we do in our everyday lives is due to the genetic choices that our ancestors have meat that's been passed down from our grandparents to our parents and our parents to us, and if you have kids everything you and your sex partner or the baby's father does is passed down to the children now. That's why it's called a genetic/ generational curse. Not everybody have self control issues because if that's not already in them to do, they won't do it. And anything that is not natural and goes beyond human means is called a sexual dysfunction for a reason. It's a serious medical issue. They have natural herbs and supplements that helps regulate those things. The rest comes from how you choose to live your lifestyle.
Spiritual health is just as important as your physical health.
Can you for a second not focus on yourself and notice there are other 7 billion people in the world? Basically everything you wrote sounds like explaining to me and to others why you are virgin.As a virgin myself, I am the last person to judge someone for being a virgin, so get over yourself.
I don't Focus solely on myself. I'm speaking on terms of example. It's not about me judging, is the fact on what do you choose to do when your life and how do you choose to live it. Not how I choose to live it. I know my way of living is unconventional too many so I honestly don't care. What matters is what matters to you. What matters to the rest of the 7 billion people in the world? And out of 7 billion people in the world that are living what really matters to these men that are virgins? The answer is simply this. It doesn't really matter what matters to them. What does matter is the fact that they are virgins who has yet to lose their virginity for whatever reasons they haven't done so. And whatever those reasons are are none of our business. Just like whatever your reasons are for not having sex yet or what and are you going to have sex at all, is none of my business. The only person that has to care about your business is a future husband and a future sex partner. And the same applies for me.
I would rather that they stay virgins instead of screwing a life of over chasing skirt, and to be able to enjoy a feeling sex life than a miserable one and make it worse for everyone else. But it's not my problem if they don't take the initiative to go out to the kind of Life they really want. If they can't find that where they live then they got to be prepared to invest financially into moving out, and go beyond borders just to find that person. That's what they did in ancient times, why can't nobody do that now.
Men have been horny since forever. It was aggravated by chemistry in everything we take/eat/wear, but the fact is that they have always been horny, as testosterone is not only responsible for sexual urges.
Again you're still not getting it. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how when and why. Is all about self-control and what we choose to do with it. Is that behaving that way that's because again things that we should not be having in our bodies. They're really not like that at all and I have known men that are not like that. So all of that junk is actually a myth. And many of them have stable lives, and good sex lives. There are women that are far more hornier than men combined and I know that is due to genetics. So what's the excuse they got more estrogen than most who knows? At the end of the day it really doesn't matter. I won't use bodily chemicals as an excuse for a person's personal choices. If we're going to follow by that logic and we need to stop calling men rapists and dogs then, because that's discrimination. And will motivate them to actually be one.
The frequency of sex actually has to do with a person's genes, they have actually done studies on that including brain activity. That's why men think about sex every 5 minutes out of the day. But they say that they usually only do that after they already had experience having sex. I have seen and met guys if not just knowing my own male friends who don't actually have those problems. And that's because a lot of people don't even bother to ask these men those personal questions without shaming him for it. A lot of these men that you are describing that is always horny like that are actually guys who already have a dysfunction that they have not been diagnosed with yet.
Can you please take time to actually try to understand what the other person is saying instead of typing without end?
I actually understand exactly what you are saying. You're saying that it's okay for anybody that has sex outside of marriage and it shouldn't have to matter what anybody thinks about it. And the only reason why they're not having sex because they want to have sex the way they want to, and not because it's out of choice. I pretty much understand exactly where you are coming from. All I have said is regardless of what you're saying there is no excuse for why that is so. We both simply have differentiating opinions about how a person should have sex.
'' And the only reason why they're not having sex because they want to have sex the way they want to, and not because it's out of choice.''This line here isn't really clear. Could you retype?What you've seen and what you've experienced with a couple of your friends is pretty much irrelevant in the bigger picture of things. And the bigger picture of things is - after puberty hits, men start to think about sex a lot. They masturbate and watch pornography because they want sex. Not the other way around.And that desire for sex is completely natural and healthy. Is that the reason people should just randomly hook up? Of course not. Is that the reason men would want to have a lot of sex? Yes it is. I am not describing a man with a dysfunction, I am describing a common normal man you see around every day.Do you know why many of your friends are like that? It's because they are not the representation of male population in general. They are your friends who share similar views and opinions as you - it's why they are your friends.
Again that is not a normal common man because I have spoken to many men and not just my friends. I said that as an example. As I said before they want to experience that's the way how they want to. So if they don't want to wait for marriage for that, as I said whose fault is it? If nobody is paying attention to them photos ways if they are looking to have premarital sex, then whose fault is it if they don't want to wait? I simply stated the many choices that these people can have but they chose not to do. Cuz nothing to do about with puberty. They do what they do with pornography because they were taught that it's okay to do. If they badly want that all they got to do is wait to have it. I don't know why you feel the need to keep telling me that sex is normal and natural. We know that. But how people choose to do it is not. A normal man who had the right idea on how to approach this manner won't struggle so much with it. When it comes down to things like that concerning pornography and masturbation, it causes sexual dysfunctions. When their not sexually stable with one person who should be a wife, and they're messing around with multiple partners, it becomes a dysfunction. They have plenty of studies on that as well. It's something that so called experts, scientist and doctors refuse to tell people.
Again, it's how one chooses to get that. If men don't want to change how they are going to approach this matter then they will continue to suffer this for the rest of their lives. I talk to strangers in General on this matter and it's a lot different than what other people are saying. They are struggling to fit in this society that focuses too much on physical Pleasures instead of the needs of everyday human dance. Back then people had arranged marriages to fulfill this need. But since nobody really wants that, now it's on other people. As many times I have advise guys on how to date, actually have a proper relationship with women in general, many of them don't even want to hear what I got to say. But then complain about what they can't get. So if they don't want to listen and they have to suffer the consequences of not heeding to sound advice. If they care so much about looks, then they should not be too surprised if the other person is going to care about looks too and judge them based on their physical.
In those ways if they are*
We are creating ridiculous standards that are hurting these men and it's hurting each other.
I keep repeating sexuality is natural because what you're writing is making me do so. Men who are virgins are unhappy about it, yes, for some part because of society, but for the most part it's because they simply want to have sex. I keep repeating it because you force the idea that men are unhappy with not having sex because that's what they're taught, or it's imposed to them by society and whatnot.If majority of women in western world today wanted to wait til marriage, then your argument would make sense. But in a world where majority of women are okay with premarital sex, saying some men are virgins because they don't want to wait til marriage, just doesn't hold water.
I'm not making you do anything. It's very clear that you agree with premarital sex and I don't. And hardly even understand what is going through the minds of these men. Women are only okay with premarital sex because men with no longer waiting anymore. It doesn't really matter what you and I say I have spoken to a lot of these men before. And many of them only try to even get me to date them on this site because they knew I'm a virgin. And when I told him that I'm not going to do that, I get one or two male uses getting very upset because of the choices they chose to make. Because I rejected them on this site. So unless you're getting the same thing that I'm getting on this site, I don't really think you have the evidence or the weight to actually back up what you're saying. And out of confidentiality I would not name them on here.
It's everywhere. Sex IS everywhere. They can't pick one girl or guy to get laid to? Come on.
I don't have to force the idea is simply the reality. And that is their reality. If they want to change their reality then they need to get out of the comfort zone and do what they got to do. If majority of women are okay with having premarital sex with you a lot of them are, and we would not have this issue with a lot of version men. They don't want to be tied down to a whorish woman and that's a simple fact.
And sadly many of these men have the right idea on those levels.
As many of them have told me on this site and even on PM. A lot of them are insecure about their physical appearance, lack of sex, or the size of their penis, and even talking about their past. All these things correlates to who is going to have sex and who isn't. They're SCARED to not meet the sexual needs of loose women who care about size, sex frequency and how they have sex with them, or how it feels to them sexually. Or who can make who orgasm. That is the problem. They feel discouraged as the modern dating world of loose sex have discouraged me from bothering. We just go about it differently. If the other person is refusing to do certain things sexually, you can bet the other is left figuring out who would and won't recieve sex in the meantime. That's our world, that's our reality in 2019, thats how it goes. Men are just as picky and choosy who they want to share that lifestyle with today. I have more than enough guys asking me to date or marry them because of my virginity status as well as how I treat men and because I don't carry on like other girls do. I try to teach and tell women the same thing so they won't have to keep getting mistreated by the guys that they're interested in. But like other guys, they don't want to listen and blame me for shaving them for the choices that they chose to make. Every choice you make sexually will determine your fate and your future prospects.
Finally you're getting the question. Sex really IS everywhere. So why can't some men get even the lowest form of it, a basic hookup? Sex is sex whether it's a hookup or marital sex. They can't get any of it, the question is why.There are men who want to get married, and have all you are talking about, but they can't.There are also men who just want a quick hookup bit can't find it. The conclusion is, therr are many men who want sex in some form or another but can't have it. So why? Them not wanting to wait til marriage is not the answer.And if you haven't noticed, G@G is full of weird u stable people and those two men were probably some of those. Not really a bright example of normal man.It's pretty normal that men want women with not many to zero sexual partners. Your body is not something you should be giving just like that to just anyone.
And that's why I told you that the only place it should be done it is in a marriage. The point is again it don't matter why their virgins. I always got to the question. It is them not waiting as the answer. Because has everybody do what God commanded, everybody would have a partner. But tehybdont want that, so now their complaining.
Even if everyone did wait for marriage nowadays, same those men who have problems in situation as it is now, would have it then too.
They don't want that. No, it's not that GAG is fill of weirdos. It's the fact that they wish they can express themselves out in public that they can only express online. That's way. Becaus e if they expressed themselves then their a pervert or covert rapist or is harassing women. So very few harrass you on here. A good amount want a relationship but don't know how to get one even though it's as simple as dating a friend who equally wants to date them. But many don't do it. Same with girls. Many don't want to do it. And blame friendzone nonsense. Your not going to be capable with everybody. And it's the reality and truth they want to hear because practically everybody wants a harem of people to have sex with incase their not happy with the current choice. It's all selfishness. And poor mating decisions.
If they have the same problem? Do like how some ancient Israelite tribes did. Not rape and plunger. But find wives in other places. Get out and explore. Tell others THEIR looking for mates. And get others involved with the mating process.
No, G@G indeed does have mentally unstable people. I have had more than enough evidencw on that. A guy who has asked you, a complete stranger, to marry him because you're a virgin and then went crazy because you rejected him, has some crazy shit going around in his head and it's not because he can't express himself publicly.
Just like they do it with the bachelor and bachelorette. People actively putting themselves out there to find Mates. I don't agree with the show and how they do it. But the general idea is one of the many options they can try, or even speed dating. Or have parents do arrange marriages, or do a ceremony with many single and eligable maidens to dance and participate marriage proposals. It is so many things people can do to actually find people.
Actually. I said one or two. I didn't say all of them that contacted me. Then again. Is it not often said that how can you really get to know a person if you don't talk to strangers? Or how can you be friends if you don't communicate? Now you understand why I said I would never date a stranger.
And not all that connected me are bad guys. Some you communicated with yourself at least 1 time on here. They're just sad, and desperate for love. Something that they need to find within themselves. They come to me because I'm not judgmental like that as other females are. I don't shun them. I hear them out and treat them like a human being. They need somebody to talk to. I have no problem being that friend for them. We all need at least one friend/person to look out for us. Some just don't know how to do that without scaring a girl off.
I never really said you said all of them.Also I never asked why you don't date strangers. We don't agree on that either but oh well.
There are? It depends on the country maybe, I find it hard to believe that its true for America. I was recently made to feel like it was a defect I possessed. A guy laughed in my face and basically called me a liar when I said I was a virgin. Apparently one can be "too pretty/hot" to be a virgin. If I had to vote for myself I'd have to go with B
its cos girls are very hard to please, very picky these days, its incredibly hard to find a girl willing to let u do that if ur a man..., they love to reject,the only way u can make a girl wanna fuck u is if ur mr perfect, handsome, and have muscles
there's more virgin women to and this is why, with the advent of social media this generation are actuelly less likely to be social in the real world. along with under 25s having less sex they also drink a lot less dont do drugs to the same levels as previous generations and in general have 25percent less social interaction face to face
Once a woman reaches the age of 18 she is no longer tethered to her age group and thus can pursue men of means without fear of repercussions. Simply put the girls are all fucking older dudes. Its the Occam's razor explanation of that stupid study stating that young people are having less sex. People read the headlines and ignored the actual criteria of the study that showed men 18-25 (i believe, I forgot the cut off point 25 or 30?) are having less sex but no change in women's sexual encounters nor men older than 25's sexual encounters. One is to conclude that women are all fucking the same dudes... which has ALWAYS been the case!MGTOW is the rejection of marriage and long term relationships there's no massive push to avoid casual sex within MGTOW. #PumpAndDumpAs an aside, I recently got to witness a total hysterectomy procedure. And saw the... ESSENCE of what men strive for, KILL for, just sitting on the table... A Fucking meat sleeve. Perspective is a son of a bitch.
I'm sure there is more than 1 reason for this people spend more time on the computer playing video games and such , it shouldn't be a surprise that some of them have a hard time getting laid once out in the real world dating is also about looks and money , if your not good looking with a high paying job , a lot of women are now out of reach there is also a much smaller adult entertainment industry , many places don't even have strip clubs anymore , around here most are long gone , in some places the option to buy sex simply isn't available either
1. There are more men than ever before.2. STD fears.3. Lack of social training.4. Porn has created unrealistic expectations of how women should look and act.5. Sometimes it is morally based, i. e. Tim Tebow and guys like that who could easily score but are saving themselves.
More men are spiritually mature today than in previous generations. Women held them back and tried to get him to waste his seed prior to marriage.More men are aware how much it grieves the Holy Ghost to give up their virginity to an immoral woman who should be his spiritual help mate. Most women use men to fulfill her sexual pleasures.
I'm not a virgin but look at some of the female answers, that explains it. Women today seriously think they're the center of the universe. That shit is a turn off and honestly sex isn't the big deal women try to make it out to be. Yes it's amazing but in today's society having sex doesn't carry the honor it used to so men really don't put that much value on it anymore. Honestly some millennial bitch's attitude is and ego is not worth being in pussy for 20 mins.
Lots of people enjoy porn, including me, but I'm glad I didn't come of age in the age of internet porn. Not only is too easy, it can be addictive.
OMG you are so right. I used to have to sneak down in the garage with a skeleton key that creaked when you turned it just to get a peak at a playboy.If I had porn hub when I was 12 I would be totally addicted.
Amen, coach. Me, too.
Male discrimination and feminism play the biggest role. They made women evil. Men don't want to sleep with women who will abuse them one way or another. Male discrimination has put more men out of work. Women are not attracted to unemployed men. Women have increased their standards to a crazy level. About 90% of men are now undesirable to them.
Probably because they won't pay for dates
Haha omg... I see so many comments about women complains about my date. Wanted to pay and i felt it was my right as a women to pay. Or some crap so many others that felt (wronged) by there date paying so don't give me that crap
Dang girl!! No messing around
That's cool congrats... Keep that v card girl
@xkildy WOWZ is a sexual jungle cat dripping sexuality. Don’t babble such nonsense about her would ya?
@1828avaava1828 cool story
@xkildy thank you 😊 now you can go back to your Love life that is getting so bland because there are only so many ways to make love to your hand 🖐
@1828avaava1828 thanks deer but you don't have to. Eagle's don't fly with chickens. A boy can dream..
How come Men are still paying for the dates? Shouldn't the woman be wooing the man now?
@xkildy cranky and catty to much for me 😂 meow
Maybe liberal women will. What kind of lady are you courting a man, chasing a man around, paying his way your failing as a female and he as a man @coachTanthony
It used to be that women's only option was to marry. With each succesive generation women have become more and more feral. A woman now doesn't have to rely on a man for anything. And as such they can say " why would i want to marry a guy who's a 3 when i can f@@k as many 9 or 10's as i want"? On the flipside you have the guys wh are 3's that didn't have much options anyhow now have the choice of whalepigs or celibacy. And since all women are work, even whalepigs they just choose celibacy. It's just easier.
I wouldn't say there are more male virgins today than ever before. May be more today than in the past 40 or 50 years, but prior to the 60s many men were virgins until marriage just as woman were. Sexual Revolution of the 60s' and 70s' kicked free love for both genders. I only hear of guys on here saying they are virgins IRL only one guy (my nephew) admits to being a virgin, all the oyher guys 15 and over never admit to being a virgin.
I don't know how true this statistic is but if it is true, then there are a number of factors that definitely plays a role.The knowledge that there are more STDs than before is one thi most reasonable men will consider.
Also thinking about the consequences and responsibilities that sex brings is another. Yeah there are condoms but sex with condoms is rubbish.Self development in this day and age has to come first before one can create their own family.
There are more virgin men because there are more men than ever before. In the US the mean age of first intercourse is 17. I don't think that's changed much, so I expect the percentage of males who are virgins is no higher than it has been.
Apparently it’s harassment to try talking to that cute girl at the bar and oh boi if she’s drowning and I save her then I’ve automatically raped her even tho she’s wearing power armour maybe it’s the whole if I slightly brush against her in public she can claim I raped her and boom I must have
Dang u go to bars and ur 17?Drinking age is 21 in most states oh unless ur from I don't know China? 😂😂
Or Australia were the age is 18 but I have a fake ID
Ahh oki i see..Wow life must be really different down there lol 😂😂 😂 héhe..Its really called DOWN UNDER? 😂😂😂
Nobody calls it that
Then it must be an American saying or whatever 😂😂 😂
I don't think there's more male virgins, simply more male virgins that are alright with admitting it. It's perfectly fine for a man to be a virgin or to not be a virgin, it quite literally does not matter. As long as they are happy, why do we really care?
I disagree, men are shamed for being virgins more than ever. Being a male adult virgin is like being gay in the 70s or 80s
@HottHead I agree with this. In the past men were not nearly shamed as much for being virgin than today.
Well firstly, the statistics flat out tell us there's more male virgins overall. Kinda depends on age group and region of the world on average men lose their virginity several months sooner than women, but moving into early 20s it flips to more men staying virgins. Then if you consider other factors like overall sexual activity women are definitely higher. So men do lose it lik 0.3 of a year sooner on average but are less likely to sustain a sexually active lifestyle.Second, men *are not* okay with admitting it usually. People do not really like male virgins. No one cares about female virgins, if anything they're prized. Less sexual experience is generally an attractive quality in girls. You can see being on g@g that girls tell each other and themselves that guys like experience and don't like virgins. They're not being convinced of that by guys, I can tell you that much.
@Vicky_7402 Exactly!! especially to the dude who asking this question...
It’s so many different things that makes this up and some of the answers on your poll... changes in the nature of sexuality, fear of sex (doing it wrong), religion, porn, the shift of how men and women carry themselves... etc.
Where did you get your statistics? BC I think there are less virgins now, mainly BC back in the bad sex before marriage was very much frowned apon so most people got married before having sex, also with dating apps and teenagers being more promiscuous then ever I would think there are less male virgins in the world now Vs 20 or 30 years ago
Well assuming that survey is accurate there are more religious people then not and people are getting married later so that's probably why
Well probably but I want to know what people think without the info.
Oh what I said above then
is there? ... I mean how do we really know that...
Facts are facts. Multiple studies. Do I need to send a link? I don't post shit without research but hey let me know.
Nono you don't need to post links, I believe you... was just asking in general --> id assume its because our marriage rates are probably lower than what they use to be. Getting married young was a fast track to losing your virginity before 25 lets go to an extreme situation, roll back the clock say 1000 years, I bet everyone lost their virginity by 20 probably
Oh I don't know about that. That is probably when the brain was hard wired into men that approaching the wrong woman can get your head cut off especially if the woman belongs to the tribal leader.
And the correct answer is B by the way... according to studies.
Seems like with PC culture being more prevalent than ever before, false rape allegations towards men from women getting much more media coverage now and both male and female standards getting too unreasonably high in a lot of cases these virgin men are just too scared they won't get exactly what they want of they are terrified of backlask
Have you got data to sustain your assumption?The CDC statistics of 2008 are not really accurate, are they?
Anything from 2008 would be invalid I would think!
Institute for family studies has information on this. ifstudies.org/.../male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim
It is actually excellent news that more and more men refrain from having sexual intercourse before reaching a certain maturity.I see it as a direct result of the rising awareness of women and their opposition to male domination and sexualization of the female body for the sole purpose of male satisfaction regardless of the harm caused to women.I view it is also a consequence of the legal protection of women that feel that the law is finally acting and protecting them from sexual abuse and harassment.Men have perhaps become increasingly aware that taking what they want is no longer the way to go and rather than to be booked for a sexual offense, they rather wait and are perhaps more selective with their targets, preys or body counts.But perhaps, it is also a combination of moderation, porn consumption or even self preservation for marriage that a number of men see that they want to remain virgins longer.Consuming pornographic content does not impair masturbation and masturbation is not seen as being sexually active in the same way as having physical intercourse with a partner.
Could be LOL Thanks for the comments Yo!
No one wants to try anything or get framed for rape or hating women, especially since progressives really want to push that on children, push that on a 13 year old boy and he'll likely never touch a woman until he's of age and feels he has to
Women like to waste guys time and ghost them. So guys don’t really know where or who to put there efforts and eventually get tired of the nonsense. Or the guy doesn’t care, or hasn’t found someone lots of reasons.
Because there are more feminists, feminism is actually a disease
Get off your phone and go back to the kitchen
I already ate a bowl of tricolor penne and meatballs and tomato sauce, good stuff
Ugh. Selfish. You should have been cooking for your man instead of stuffing your face
Nah I'll eat as much goddamn tricolor fussili as I want
Oh you mean you wanna do what you want instead of being forced? You should thank feminism:)
I'm talking modern feminism you twat
Nope. You said feminism. Not "modern feminism" not "third wave feminism" just the whole thing
We really don't have as many issues as people make it out to be, third wave feminists just make up a bunch of bullcrap, yes?
Or she can thank herself for using her own brain instead of being told by a group of people how to think
Oh absolutely. Third wave is shit
Obviously I'm not against actual feminism, but the main kind of feminism today is that of the third wave kind, so I do not have to specify yes?
I said "is a disease" not "was a disease"
Thot be gone!!
Who? Me? If so, no u
You're the one that posts obvious butt bait
@Repa33 it’s hard to explain logic to That dough headed cocobat
Yeah, you, thot!!! Shoo! Get!!
Wait >:( you're that dingus that was all "uSE YoUR bRaIN" and then made me unable to respond even though I VERY clearly explained that that was just a misunderstanding because I did not know the expression?
No? But sounds like a good time lmfao 😂
Also you better be careful, I have a master degree in thot extermination, I studied the blade from the day I was born, I know 2000 different ways to spot a thot
Better extinguish yourself!!
Tell me where your hive is, today is the day I assassinate the thot queen
@1828avaava1828 Is this going to last much longer? I will get popcorn if so? LOL
I will make history, the world shall never be the same again
Haha just having meself a crack with this little dough headed lass
I will bring her to justice, bring her head to the monarch, everyone will be free from thotery for all eternity
You’ll do fookin nothing!! Keep trying
Tell me where the queen is or I'll take your snapchat filters, your thotic aura does nothing to me, I've become immune to your power
Your hive shall be returned to dust by ancient hellfire
Same old schtick...(shrug)...
No, this time is different... I AM THE REAL THOT SLAYER AND NO THOT IS SAFE FROM MY MIGHTY DRAGON TEAR DOUSED SILVER KATANA
Was that a sound of defeat? Lead me to your hive or suffer the guillotine
Dude you are killing my notifications over here with your board game lingo... can we shake hands now?
Aight, was just having some dumb fun
I think I found them under the chair!Yes I did!! It’s the marbles you lost!!
Sorry coach Tony! I
Hmmm you're rude >:/
All feminism is shit
@Tyffen ya I agree, women are out of control. They can be in the military and get paid the same as men and vote and hold government offices and talk back to their husband in public and get him locked up for domestic abuse or marital rape and everything. It's ridiculous. They have way too much power. Why can't they just do as their damn well told and be happy with keeping house and raising kids?
@Just-ConfusedThat's not how it works. Men and women work together (in different fields) to make the society work efficiently.Feminism is a cancer...
@Tyffen Wait so you mean you want men and women to just work together, in different ways, but overall each doing their part, equally? ... that sounds an awful lot like first wave feminism, Sir.
I don't really want women in the workforce... There are other ways of "working" than being a wage employee at a company or for the state.Women should do as they've always done. Work and build communities.
@Tyffen Ah, I see. Alright then so long as we understand each other. I've nothing more to say. :) Have a nice day.
You too... 👍🏻
Get a life misandrist loser.
@1828avaava1828 Take your issues elsewhere sadist. You don't represent or speak for the most of us anyway. Your male-shaming is an insult to you. Work on yourself.
Porn, Toxic Feminists, Security problems and rising anxiety.by the way most men/women choose to become either gay or Lone Wolf.Because it's much more easier and enjoyable.Being Lone Wolf gives you to improve yourself selfishly and being gay is gives to advantage of achieving sex much more easier. And if you're woman (lesbien) it gives you finding your soulmate.
Because women are less inclined to accept a man that isn’t exactly what she wants because why should she? There’s no reason. That means there are more men who don’t have women interested in them. And also, because people interact more online than irl these days.
"There’s no reason."But your phrasing implies that men would be accepting where women aren't, so there would be a reason in there somewhere. What do you think it is?
I would say MGTOW has a lot of reasons why this happend many girls are toxic as fuck and some dudes dont wanna deal with that ever in their life so they went MGTOW
Secondly all girls and i mean ALL of them no mater what age they are want tall and handsome chad dude They are not giving a fuck about avarage or below avarage 5'8 dude WE all know girls want some hot tall intimidating guy with big D to fuck her And not a kid Lets be honest about that because its the way it is And u can't deny it
Liberal morals of society and feminism has made it more difficult for good men to find a compatible partner. Regardless of their virginity or not, I think that is the reason so many more people are single these days.
Are there? Even the most socially inept men i've dated have not been virgins usually, they've at least managed one or a few one night stands from online dating. There are so many people out there who aren't picky so it shouldn't be hard for someone who doesn't want to be a virgin to lose their virginity.
All depends on a guy personality. If a person was teach to save their virgintiy for people that only love you. Or you just get any luck with some girls since they don't match up to your instested. Or their instested.
Yeah I've no idea... 🙄
there are not more virgins than before, there are just more people in general, the percentages of virgins are the same, all thats different are there are more people so more virgins.
Lol not even close but thanks for the comment.
wym then. do you have evidence tat there r more virgins?
The link is in many of the comments below.
There are many factors, it could be all of the above. Our culture isn't really a culture in the U. S. What I mean is we're concerned more about rights than functionality and harmony. So as egalitarian as we are making things to be while in the safest, most pampering world to ever exist, men are becoming less attractive to women.
instead of rights, I should say gender equity
well, no. it's just *rights*
You don't know much about history, if you think there are more virgin men today than ever before.
I heard women are more picky. But I’m not convinced numbers have changed that much
Women are demanding more, and many men can't reach their standards.
Pretty sure women are demanding less. Women back then wanted you to have a good paying job and marry them before you had sex
@Ursidae Less? They are demanding more because they don't need you. They weren't in a position to demand much of anything back in the day! They weren't the provider now they don't need a provider!
Women have always been the ones that get to decide who they get with. What you think courtship is like arranged marriages? Fuck outta here 😂
Trust me, getting laid is much easier these days. The issue is that more dudes have no clue what they're doing
@Ursidae You have no idea what you are talking about. Get educated man. Stop cussing, makes you look stupid.
Perhaps men now are just more honest and are more willing to admit being virgins. Or is it they just pretend to be virgins for pity sex? Oh well a girl's works never done, next...
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very true virgin lads lol
@purplepoppy lol ohh oki 🙄
If you don't yet realize you actually represent a tiny portion of the loser-female population, then I suggest seeking mental therapy. Or else you'll learn the hard way. You don't DARE expect males to honor or show you any interest with that hateful attitude of yours.
I don't think there is just one reason, but of all you said, I think is the one with more weight, new life style makes it difficult all type of relations.
The earth is overpopulated and it's reducing the biological urge for humans to breed on a massive subconscious level. All other reasons listed in this poll are just half-baked attempts to consciously explain the fact that there's so many of us and therefore it's unnecessary for us to indulge in the act that creates MORE of us.
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