You are not a hypocrite like most women that only want gender roles that affect them to go away
I wish I could drop myself back into a 50s lifestyle, be the typical housewife and the epitome of women's gender roles. I guess I want different things than most women nowadays. And I think a lot of women have trouble seeing the other side of things, for example they hate being objectified but will spend HOURS discussing which guys they think are hot, objectifying men probably more than they've ever been objectified. The door swings both ways, but you wouldn't know that if you only ever go through it in one direction. That's where your gender roles thing comes in, and I absolutely agree with you.
It is most women. I know tons in person and look at most of the replies by women saying guys should pay
That is because they are party girls that feel entitled. In this day and age I think it should be Dutch treat - each pays for their own meal. That way a girl doesn't order steak and lobster on the guy's dime while he can only afford to buy a modest meal for them both. Now if the guy insists on paying for it, that is different.
A lot of times guys insist because they know most women are fake pretending to be ok with paying. So guys feel obligated. So you are saying most women on GAG and in general are party girls? Cause that was your response after I told you most women on here and most women I knew offline expect men to pay
Respond to my latest reply please
Is there no response cause you know I'm right?
If they expect men to pay then they are just cheap, users, and entitled. Avoid them. Real women are not afraid to pay their way and don't expect men to pay their way when they are both enjoying a date. In fact, I think it would be fun to take turns planning a date and then the planner pays for the date. That way it is not all on one person's dime all the time. That is not dating, that is being a leech.
Don't you realize that you represent a minority percentage of women though? Most women expect men to pay.
Well they are just feeling entitled. They only want to be equal with men when it suits them. When it comes time to share expenses on a date it doesn't suit them.
MHO right here for speaking the truth! Thank you sir~
@Cynicaldreamer Actually, it is simply a sarcastic reversal of the poster's opinion, and I think both statements are gross over-generalizations. Yes, SOME women have a selfish entitlement mentality and SOME think buying dinner means having sex later in the evening but MOST of us do not walk around with such insane attitudes.
Most men I know and I don't even expect sex if we pay. We just think it is dumb in 2020 for men to still pay for everything on dates
@Cynicaldreamer I am guessing you only want gender roles that affect you to go away
OlderAndWiser - you got that right ! a man takes a woman to White Castles for a meal and then he acts like she is his sex slave and slave for the rest of his life ! ya right ! no way ! Thanks
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Most women expect men to pay for every single date with her
I guess myself and other women I'm friends with are not like the women you have encountered then. I would also be more than happy to have this discussion with someone during the date itself. Obviously the guy would probably not bring it up bc it might be a controversial topic, but I'd be happy to.
He asks you to help out you would probably get mad and not date him again. That is my point. Most women only gender roles that affect them to go away
Wrong, in fact my opinion said the exact opposite. Reading is fundamental and you sound very sexist.
I am not sexist. I would be sexist if I think it is the woman's job to cook. Most women on the other hand think it is the man's job to pay for dates. So who are exactly the sexist ones?
Most women offer to pay but most are taking it and get mad if the man expects him to pay. And most won't date him again
Hmm I wonder why women down voted your answer?
@chris_987 lol right!
Thank you guys who are upvoting 😂
Do you agree most women only want gender roles that affect them to go away?
So you saying most women are goldiggers since most want men to pay for most things in the relationship?
And women have mouths too, they ask men on dates too.
No. I’m not saying most women are gold diggers. If I meant that I would have just said that. Man, people on this site really like to do this. Read what is there, not what you imagine to be there.
You are saying don't go for golddiggers but the thing is most women are the way I describe. Most want men to pay for most things.
I don’t think that’s true at all. You don’t even know most women. Maybe just most of the ones you’ve met. But that’s different.
Most women I have known and friends known, etc and I hear it nonstop. Most women are that way. Most want men to pay for most things.
I always hear it nonstop from men. Most women are that way.
I disagree but you can thank trad can ideals for that. Men are supposed to be the providers and most men like that idea until they see a woman e joying having shit paid for her.
Why is it his responsibility?
yo who downvoted my shit 😂
How often do you invite guys out on dates?
I ask because men are typically expected to ask, and I hate this idea that since men ask women out, they have to pay. Like, you make us responsible for asking you out, and then since we're asking we're responsible for paying.
@devilman666 I can't tell for sure, cause most of the time it isn't planned but spontaneous, otherwise I sure ask the guy out if there's somewhere i'd love to go or an event that interests me and would like good company.
Fair enough, sorry if I seemed rude, I appreciate your comment.
Most women only want gender roles that affect them to go away
Lol you can't be serious with this statement. Of course many women would adhere to that standard. They're in favor of not having to ask because of the way the dating game is.
Nope. Plenty of women ask now, more than ever before and it’s increasing.Again, don’t ask if you don’t want to pay.
You're right, but it's going to need to increase a lot more before it holds any water. More than plenty of women still use hints and want men to pursue.
I don’t think it matters honestly. I think the reason it’s an issue now is due to men realizing the inequities they faced decades ago. They just didn’t care at the time since they had unfair privileges over women.
So, from a biological standpoint, do you feel it resonates with you for women and men to be 50/50 on initiation? Or deep down, you feel like you'd still be more naturally attracted to a man who pursues you?
I think that whoever likes the person should ask them out. But for me, if I make the move, I become disinterested in the man.I'm not incapable of doing it: I'm not going to pursue the man. Some women love it. Good for them.
You only gender roles that affect to go away, I am assuming
Nope. You’re likely one who does that though.
You think it is the man's job to pay for everything on dates, and to approach, etc. but if a sexist guy said he thinks it is females jobs to cook you would probably get mad. And no I don't think that. I think all gender roles are dumb in THIS DAY AND AGE
Got a point there. lol women do get mad when you bring up the kitchen, but men aren't supposed to question paying or making the first move or their either broke or a chicken. haha. I've never really thought of that one.
@wmasters exactly. That is what I am saying. Most only want gender roles that affect them to go away. I know more guys than women that think gender roles in general are dumb. Most women are only against what affects them. You see how she is not responding? She knows how most women are hypocrites in this matter and she is clearly one too
What do you not understand? You ask: you pay. Period. That has nothing to do with gender roles.Why would I get mad? I just wouldn’t be with him. Now do you have anything else?
Women hardly ask though because they want men to pay for everything and because they are afraid of rejection. They take advantage of the gender broke thing. O bet you think it is guys jobs on general to pay on dates
lol i think you spoke too soon. she right back in the ring with ya lmao
@wmasters I bet she gets mad when mad when she hears men saying they think it is the woman's job to cook, clean, etc
Asked: You’re making assumptions. Just because no woman asked you doesn’t mean that plenty aren’t asking. Social norms are changing but it’s slow.It doesn’t matter. Whoever asks should pay. Get over it... lol
Women hardly ask any guy directly. Hints are not included. Most are chicken to do so yet call men chicken , that are afraid of rejection. The irony.
Again assumptions. Plenty of women do: it’s just not enough to satisfy you. Get over it.
You probably get mad when a sexist guy says though that women should be the only ones cooking and not men. And no I don't think like that. I am not a hypocrite like women with this topic
No. I don't. Why? Because they're moronic... lol. You clearly get upset when women say they don't want to pay. Why are you projecting your issues on to me?You're irrational. Not all women are the same. It doesn't matter if some women want to pay or not. The point is that times are changing and more women are paying than before. What is agreed upon (or should be) is that whoever asks should pay for the date.
Look. Just don't date. Any man that makes sweeping generalizations about women will likely be a detriment to women. So don't do it. :/
If that is your standard then women need to start asking men out, this idea that societal norms demand men ask and that whoever asks pays, it is the same as saying that society demands men always pay.
You clearly can’t read. Women do ask men out. It’s just not enough to satisfy you. Get over it. :)
Most women don't ask men out, very very few women ask men out. This is like me saying, "men do cook and clean, just not enough to satisfy you. Get over it.". I refuse to just get over it, it is sexism and I won't just ignore it. Women like you only want equality when it helps you, when women earn 75 cents for every dollar men earn, women scream and shout. When men pay for 75% of dates, women just think it's normal and men should get used to it.
Get over it. Women are asking but social norms are slow to change. It isn’t sexism. The point is that it’s not happening as fast as you like.Who cares? The point is that more women are opening up to the idea and THAT is good. I can only see the trend increasing. All you bitch about is the negative aspect of it.Even so, if someone doesn’t want to ask-man or woman-they don’t have to. It will be detrimental on the man though until more women ask. But it’s not there yet.So get over it because it’s getting there.
"Womens actions are detrimental to men, but get over it" how about you shut the fuck up? Nothing changes unless people force it to change. If men roll over and accept this then it will continue, we need to speak up and call it out for it to change. Women like you need to ask men out more often, and unless men tell you that, you will never change.
All you're doing is bitching and whining. That's what it sounds like. There's no acknowledgment of how women are pushing against the social norm, just a "Why do I still have to go and ask women out?" That's all it is because it's not sincere: it's a selfish desire stemming from your lack of sex and inability to get women.Men aren't the cause of women asking by the way. It's Feminism telling women that we should pursue what we want and have a choice in what we want to do/be/have in our life instead of it being socially constricted.Here's a game plan for you:Develop your brain a bit more (it should be done in 2 years since men's brains don't finish developing until 25).Get the fuck over it. Easy peasy. 🙄
@devilman666 Lol aye you stalking me devilman? 😂
@wmasters don't flatter yourself, I wasn't even responding to you.
How does that change what I said
What you are saying is that men basically shouldn't date. Don't you realize only a minority percentage of women are ok with paying on dates? I bet you even think it is the man's job to do it yet you get when a guy thinks women should apply gender roles?
I don't know what percentage of women would be okay with paying, but what I'm saying is: if you don't want to be taken advantage of, don't let them.I don't believe in gender roles
Mindwipe - you are such a liar ! I do not want it all either so you are a liar ! however most women do want something from a man that you do not have and that is love ! did you find the right size magnifying glass that you and your woman need to find your pea sized penis with yet?
Haha! Unjustified insults, that's novel!
Lightning8 - your just jealous because man has not made a magnifying glass strong enough for anyone to use to help you see your pea sized penis with ! ha , ha , ha
ConFed - well put and thank you ! I hope you are wrong and that chivalry never dies
I would hope it isn't but now if days with only a select few it lives on if I ever get to the point if kids of my own it will be passed down to best of my knowledge
Why are you deliberately going out with men that are sugar daddies
I am rejecting them as you can see.
It's not my fault that they want me.
Only thing sugar daddies want is sex for money, there are plenty of girls that want that so you don’t have to
Dude I'm a virgin and I don't approach them. They come to me.
I know I’m just warning you, your probably not one of those girls that will give up everything for money, but true love is more important than money
But you’ve had a boyfriend before?
That's because that's the way you choose to view it. Also, it's not how it's always been, of we lived in medieval times then I could purchase you as a bride without ever meeting you, let alone asking you on a date.
@devilman666 If we lived in medieval times my father would make the marriage arrangements and believe me he would've better than you.
But my point is that things change, this rule that men always pay for the dates didn't always exist. Our society is moving towards equality of the genders, so why shouldn't this change too?
@devilman666 because most women don't want it to change. and as long as jerks chase them, they're gonna just settle for one, thinking they can make certain other guys jealous, get burned, then blame all men and say the guys who aren't approaching them are pussies. I'm sure the ones who aren't approaching are just tired of the ego games. Women walk around nowadays acting like they could care less about men, but get frustrated when the guys that they want aren't pursing them. They want it both ways. It's bad in the cities. Maybe the suburbs are different.
I agree with this point. Many women think they can have their cake and eat it too.
If you agree it is dumb how most women only gender roles that affect them to go away why do you think it is the man's job to pay on dates?
It’s not a job. This custom only works if a man enjoys paying and believe me many do. If you don’t, then don’t do it. It’s about what you feel is the right thing to do. But there are, of course, consequences to every action.
They aren't offended, they just know how most women fake pretend to want to pay.
You are projecting your opinion on other men. Thinking that they also think like you while that is so far from the truth.
Just because he insists on paying doesn't mean he wants to he is obligated to because he knows how most women are
I bet you only want gender roles that affect women to go away. I bet you get mad when a man says it is a woman's job to cook
Lol gtfo. How many times do we hear women say "I wear makeup for myself". "I wear this because *I* want to wear it". "I don't dress for men".What you're saying is actually very backward and demeaning as it implies women are nothing more than objects to serve as a man's eye candy. But once again this is an example of a woman demeaning women when it suits their argument. You spend effort in your appearance because you don't want people to think you're unattractive and therefore not accept you. That is all on YOU. Don't try and act like some man who owes you nothing needs you to look nice for him.You're the type of woman that men don't want to do anything for. Arrogant and entitled. The only women any self respecting man pays for are women who don't expect it.And if you want to look a man's appearance. Let's say a man spends 8 hours a week exercising, let's say he earns $60/hour. That's $480 a week of his time, + supplements, + gym memberships. A man's clothes can be just as expensive as a woman's. His watch can be just as expensive as any woman's jewelry. Unless you're attracted to fat lazy men who take no pride in their appearance (which I guarantee you're not, in fact I guarantee your standards are ridiculously high based on the bs you've written here), you have no basis for thinking your appearance makes you worth more than the man you're seeing.
@Kkaos “8 hours a week exercising and he earns $480”? Where the fuck is the correlation? Don’t try to act smart for the sake of acting smart kiddo
@Kkaos I would thumbs up this comment if I could
Oh please! Makeup and all that are just part of doing business. If you don't want to spend money and time to look nice, just the same as just going to work, then go on a date looking like a hag and see if you get a 2nd. Sometimes you need to make an investment to reap rewards. * rolls eyes *
@Kkaos I agree with you. Don't feed the trolls.
Answer the question. I bet you get mad when men say they think it is the woman's job to cook yet you think it is the man's job to pay on dates
So you don't pay for dates?
If I have/want to I will but, generally, I'd split the bill or pay for my own meal. We're adults and adults should pay for their own things.
When is it you don't pay for your own stuff on dates?
When he offers to pay or if I don't bring enough money for some reason.
Actually, it's not the way it always worked. In medieval times the man would pay the father a sum of money and marry his daughter without a single date.Just because this is how we do things now doesn't mean it's right, why should we be forced to continue this tradition?
@devilman666 The man still paid though lol 😂
@Renae_85 yeah, because he was purchasing you. Do you want to go back to that? Men paying for dates is only a thing because most women didn't work until the early 1900s, and then after that more women worked but usually lower paying jobs. It was a sign that he could and would provide for you, now women can provide for themselves, so this tradition is outdated. Unless you want to be a stay at home wife, you can pay your half of the damn bill.
You represent a minority percentage of women
I bet you get mad when sexist men say it is the woman's job to cook yet expect men to pay for every single date. Like I said, women only want gender roles. that affect. rhwm to go away.
Well it is what it is
So you agree on the hypocrisy that most women only want gender roles that affect them to go away? Don't you realize the hypocrisy? How can want expect equality and want all gender roles to go away if most are hypocrites? How can you expect more men to respect you?
I don’t expect anything from anyone. No one is forcing you to take them on a date. Don’t if it affects you so much.
So you don't feel shameful for being a hypocrite and only wanting gender roles that affect you to go away?
You having no shame shows lack of reapect
I honestly don’t mind paying if we’re in a relationship but if we’re dating & he is the one pursuing me then I believe he should pay. I don’t understand how that is disrespectful.