Good points. However, you're giving genetics less credit than it should. Good genetics play a huge role in peeking sexual interest. There are a lot of social experiments and studies that point out that having good genetics give a great boost in attracting women.
Genetics are important, I'm not downplaying that. But it is true that men can still make themselves significantly more attractive by working on things that have nothing to do with their genes, and women are far more dependent on genes than men are.
Yes that's what they call "looks-maxing". And yes, men can get away better with bad genetics than women. Even though women can also looks max to some degree, just not on the same level as men unfortunately
Uniiiiit... "don't bother" sounds a hell of a lot like "don't make much effort, it ain't worth it", and that is a sure way to not maintain any relationships. It takes work, a lot of it. Love is not finite. It's fluid and changeable.
This is why I NEVER take dating advice from women. They have proven not to be reliable in giving men advice in this field. They say they want a nice guy but they themselves don't practice what they preach. I either take their words with a grain of salt or discard them all together
@AmandaYVR I never said don't court your woman. Once she's a girlfriend she'll get to enjoy the boyfriend benefits. "simps" give those boyfriend benefits and power over themselves and more selflessly to the pinks, who do not reciprocate.
@TruthBringer This is where we are different brother. I take advice only if they make sense to me. It doesn't matter if their gender is male, female, hermaphrodite or plant.
@Unit1 Well of course taking advice only if it makes sense is a good thing. Regardless of which gender. Because it's hard to find a woman who genuinely gives good advice, I tend not to search for it in women. I saw 1 woman who gave genuine advice and was Anonymous. It simply happens to be that it's more abundant to find men who give good advice. So I'm more prone to listen to men.
@TruthBringer To your credit, I agree, that the ones, who attract lots of pinks most likely give the best and most effective advises. I mean I won't ask a deadbeat broke dad how to become a millionaire, I'll ask the financial advisor.Women say that dressing up (most clothing stores don't care about men's fashion), applying the correct amounts of cologne (AKA hygiene, smelling good) and an adequate haircut (AKA grooming yourself) will make us stand out. To their credit they do have a very good point as well. I wouldn't ignore these.
@Unit1 Absolutely correct! And positive reinforcement from women when you have your grooming game and smell on point proves it aswel. This is also typical advice men give.
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@Nightowl26 Give this girl MHO. :)
@AmandaYVRYou have some good points no doubt.1st in my view is wrong, of course that is debatable but in my view, only limited vulnerability is fine for a mine to display in an exclusive and romantic relationship, if a man is as vulnerable as a man then the woman will eventually lose respect for that man.2nd, I believe that is true. In fact I believe nice guys don't stand a chance at all, they are not in the race at all because they are just too nice and only nice with no strong qualities.3rd is nonsense. 4th is very true. 5th is another nonsensical sentence and what people believe. 6th is again false.7th I won't comment on it.
But what about the money? 💰💰💰I do not see the word money or finances being mentioned 🤔🤔🤔
@Unit1 Maybe because you might be wrong in your stuck way of thinking and she’s telling the truth? So maybe there’s something you lack that women want instead of money that you just don’t want to accept? Not saying that’s the case but I think it’s a reasonable conclusion since you’re always asking about money yet there are sooo many loopholes in it.Anyways, @AmandaYVR great list. I think the only one to add is that we don’t like stuck up guys. Then again, it’s guys who have no confidence at all who say that we do. Same thing with this guy and money.
@Yads_Is_Back You should see my posts where I don't even mention the word *money*.
@serious The way that you can look at it is I represent a certain type of woman/girl in the population. I never said it is ALL women, but I assure you, there are many, many of us that think and feel AND ACT according to these. I'm glad you quantified some of it with, "in my view" and "I believe" because otherwise I would tell you that it's pretty audacious of you to tell me that my views are wrong. I'm sick of men telling us women/girls that what we say is wrong/a lie/inaccurate/the proof is in action, and all that other bullshit. We could flip the script on all you men too, you know. Sometimes it's just a fact, an honest statement, the truth. Anyway, we disagree. So what, who cares, that's life. You're male, 33, I presume single based on your posts, live in India. I'm female, 47, have been married for over 20 years, live in Canada. Of course we won't agree. Oh wait, except that I am very close to two other guys from India, and we do agree on many, many things, and I respect the shit out of them. So it's really about temperament, personality, character. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. But I can tell that you and I would not get along, with the way you communicate. That is also a fact.Thanks, @clampfan101, @yads_is_back, and you hush up, @Unit1 (jk, I know you're a dog with a bone. At least we speak frankly with each other and still respect each other. I consider that a success in gender relations, communication, and friendship.)
@serious Ah, my presumption was correct. I, on the other hand, have been in many relationships.I wonder which one of us has more experience to judge how others think."No, I have always been single and I wish to remain single for life. I wish to lead a loveless life.That is my choice, my free will and yes I have plenty of reasons for this. Nothing is holding me back but by choice I wish to remain single for life."Do you want to be in a serious relationship? What is holding you back? ↗
Hm, not sure if dog is a derogatory term here (AKA when angry women say that all men are dogs) or more like a homie type of implication ;) (pretty sure it's the latter :D)In any case
@Unit1 I think the word you're looking for is "dawg." 🐩
Right on :)
@Unit1 I was engaged to a man who I went through homelessness with on and off but I still loved him and stayed with him
@Gabboo Yes, I did hear of women's heroic stories of not leaving their man despite his life giving him the worst cards. You are not alone.
I think those points you bring up are half-true. There is some truth to them, which leads some people to incorrectly believe they are unbreakable laws of attraction. A guy who shows a soft side to a girl may win her trust, but for a guy to be vulnerable all the time and have no backbone IS a turn off. Large penises aren't a dealbreaker for most girls but they ARE a plus.
Some of these (1, 3, and 4) are mostly true.Vulnerability is by far a great weakness. Women say "Crying is the manliest thing a guy can do" but they leave out the ending of "only if I'm already attracted to him and it's only happening when I need it".You do need to be a bit more aggressive to get noticed. I'm not saying be a lunatic, stalker or rapey but you should put some base in your voice and be straight forward. Confidence may not be the most important thing but if you don't have it then you're not getting anywhere at all.
You guys have no nuance. Men are such bulls in a china shop sometimes. Jesus.I'm sick of talking about relationships. I try to make you guys feel better by supporting you and reminding you that there are women and girls out there who value you and character and substance over petty, trivial shit.But I'm tired. So forget it.
@AmandaYVR"I'm glad you quantified some of it with, "in my view" and "I believe" because otherwise I would tell you that it's pretty audacious of you to tell me that my views are wrong. "Okay, I know what I have written and that is how it is. I have expressed myself and irrespective to whether you personally agree or disagree my thinking and view doesn't change. I am not here to tell someone's view is right or wrong. I am here on this site to express myself and I have my style of writing and expressing myself and if you don't like it then don't read and don't respond which is your choice.
@AmandaYVR "I'm sick of men telling us women/girls that what we say is wrong/a lie/inaccurate/the proof is in action, and all that other bullshit. We could flip the script on all you men too, you know.Sometimes it's just a fact, an honest statement, the truth.Anyway, we disagree. "You are sick of we men telling you women?Okay so we men can also tell the same things about women, we men can also say that we are sick of women telling us things. This kind of argument won't result in any useful outcome. This can go on and on and is a waste of time.If you want to be sick then you can be sick of it. Great..We men can also keep telling about how sick we are of women who are always emotional and tell us men as to what is right and wrong.I am not interested in wasting my time in such topics and I am sure you also don't want to waste your time either.You can agree or disagree that is your choice.
@AmandaYVR" You're male, 33, I presume single based on your posts, live in India. I'm female, 47, have been married for over 20 years, live in Canada. Of course we won't agree. Oh wait, except that I am very close to two other guys from India, and we do agree on many, many things, and I respect the shit out of them."Okay, I am not quite sure what are you trying to say here? This is not relevant to my comment that I made on your opinion.I don't know if this is your style of writing and expressing. Fine.You have been married for over 20 years, that is good for you and its fine and I don't care about getting along with you at all. I never wish to interact with you or get along with you so its fine you be happy with who you are and the kind of company you keep.I am happy with who I am, how I am and with the life I have. I don't care about your life and what you do. You said you get along well and you respect the other 2 Indians you are in touch with, again that is good for you. I don't need to know it and you didn't have to mention this so I take it as this being your style of writing and expressing yourself.As I said I don't care whom you interact with on this site and whom you are getting along with or not. I never wish to interact with you so you need not worry about you and me getting along because that situation will never arise.Anyways yes from your attitude and the way you write it is clear to me that we will not get along well so it's fine.
@AmandaYVR"Ah, my presumption was correct.I, on the other hand, have been in many relationships.I wonder which one of us has more experience to judge how others think."Okay, good that you got your presumption right. Once again it is your life and it is up to you as to whom you want in your life and whom you wish to interact with and whom you respect in your life.I don't care about that. It is your life and is your choice.
@serious God your writing is bloated. So basically, you disagree with me. Which was my point from the beginning. You replied back to my comment, to tell me/us in excruciating detail why you disagree. (While I was supporting men, I might add.) So don't play your fucking gender manipulation games with me saying it's about me. You came at me. Look at that ridiculous wall of text.I've never liked you. I've never liked any of your comments, frankly. So I'm blocking you now because I can't stand wasting anymore time reading them. I don't know what your policies are on blocking but I suggest you do the same. We are done.
Gentlemen, this is a perfect example of a person who says something, but it doesn't reflect reality. Sweetie, if what you said was all true, then the manosphere wouldn't be growing more and more as it is today. Also, less men would opt-out of the dating market. let me give you a reality check:- Women don't like nice guys. Fact. They want a strong, dominant man they can perceive as an ALPHA (yes that term exists and it referes to certain crucial characteristics) on a subconscious level. Aka. he gives her the tingles and make her want to submit to him.- Women who wear provocative clothes do this for a reason. To fish for attention/validation. Just not from every man. But if you're showing off your body and telling me you're not doing it to get some attention, then I will leave you with a Dutch saying: "Maak de kat maar wijs". What you project out to the world is what you'll get. If you're purposely increasing the odds of unwanted attention through you clothes, then you only got yourself to blame.- Guys who are sensitive will get the pussy who has been drilled by the 'bad boys' in the woman's prime years. Nice guys finish last, sweetie. The only time I see a woman who gets with a sensitive guy is either because she wants to be dominant in the relationship, or she decided to settle down because her biological clock starts ticking.
@TruthBringer Seeing most women agree with my points and only one man disagrees I think your confused but seeing you aren't a woman, I'm sure whatever you've been told by other men has been so drilled in your brain that the idea that they were wrong terrifies you. I don't like "alpha" men I honestly think if a man approached me in public and said he was an alpha male I'd laugh at him, notice how most men won't call themselves alphas in public but will online because they know how dumb that it. But again if what actually women tell you about what they want in a man doesn't make sense to you then I don't know what to tell you good luck, "alpha" male :)
I don't like what Truth bringger is saying it comes across as harsh but the world is harsh and is not wrong. No not all females are the same just like not all men are the same.I must agree what women say what they want on a subconscious level is completely different. Women don't want nice guys they want a challenge. I caught a girl i was dating for 3 months fucking a so called friend 2 days after my dad died. Her excuse you're too nice and wqs not a challenge.Women want a nice guy as long as they're extremely attractive... We men want the same as well we're ust stupid enough to admit itWhat ever you think alpha is a lot of women seem to be attached or attracted to that douch bag type. What an alpha is someone who looks after his friends, family, himself keeps their life and loved ones above the darkness. Women find these men boring. The nice guy does come last. Why the hell would ( if i was attractive and I had attractive women throwing themselves at me would i go for someone who has no flare and is boring and is no challenge... I wouldn't want that till later until im ready to settle, so yes you do finish the race but you're not first) A lot of American pop culture has trashed a lot of the western world and has made responsibility a laughable matter. Im looking forward to the day when i go to rest. It will be like before you're born no nothingThe harsh reality is everything is a hierarchy and the top dog wins ( that doesn't mean i like it) and no its not a man made construct, its being the reality as long as life has existed. Th
Sorry about the mistake in the paragraph. Im writing this off a old phone
@Lj121200 You can agree with him if you want but I'll still stand by my statements I prefer nice men, the ones who actually understand women don't want to be treated like objects also it could be possible you both are just going after the wrong kind of women but it's not my business
Well im hoping one day i am lucky enough to meet someone like yourself 😊 whom i find attractive and get along with
@Lj121200 Good luck with that :)
@nerdybutlazy Hahahah girl, check out other comments of women and see the dislike ration from men on there. If you think getting a few pink likes proves your points over actual research, then you have proven to be ignorant. Many men including myself have experienced a great inconsistency between a woman’s words and her actions (when it comes to dating that is). So it’s not that other men have indoctrinated me as you’re trying to imply. It’s that I have seen and experienced it all myself. Plus I take research in account. The term “alpha man” is nothing more but a term which accurately describes certain characteristics in a man. It’s what the term points to, not the term itself. So if you don’t like the word “alpha”, that doesn’t debunk the existence nor the validity of it. And calling yourself an “alpha” ridiculous, that’s true. It’s something many men strife to ‘become’, but not always succeed. And nowhere did I call myself an alpha for you to assign that term between quotes to me. Someone must be stepped on her toes lmfao.Also, it’s not a matter of going after the wrong woman. It’s a matter of NUMBERS. Most women hate a boring nice guy. They want thrill. They want adventure and excitement. They want a challenge like Lj121200 has said. There is a reason why the manosphere and groups like MGTOW are growing more and more. And that's a bad indication. I''m not trying to convince you of my views. Because it's not relevant. I'm simply debunking your points so other readers (especially young men) will learn to do their own research and take things with a grain of salt. You do you sweetie ;)
@TruthBringer Please dont call me sweetie it's gross
@nerdybutlazy Whatever you like, sugar
@TruthBringer Oml stop it, can you just respect that I don't like being called these weird names
@nerdybutlazy Chill I was just teasing you
A lot of data out there contradict what you said. Looks are extremely important when it comes to attracting women. It depends on the rest of the factors that this attraction will be a sucess or not. But saying girls want average looking dudes is absolutely false. Women want the best they can get and interact with better looking men. The better your looks as a man, the better chances you have in attracting women. That's a fact and data + biology backs this up
Okay what do I know
Girls desire tall, handsome jocks for sex, they want nice guys for relationship. We know that. But we want sex more than relationships.
@godfatherfan You say I give men a bad name for speaking from a realist perspective and you use typical feminazi words like "mansplaining". I'll give you some time to realize the irony in your comment.
@TruthBringer you're literally explaining what a women finds attractive,, to a woman. looks are important when attracting a woman (duh it doesn't take an iq of 400 to understand) but what the original poster is saying is that in the long run, girls are totally fine with average looking guys with nice personalities. stfu
@___nik What you say is not incorrect. And yes, I do say what women find attractive because as a man who has been dating and is in a relationship (aka having experience), I got a good idea what women do or don't find attractive in a guy. And learn the difference between a woman who settles for an average looking guy and WANTING someone who isn't average. Plenty of data out there that show the better looking you are, the easier it is to attract women. The rest of the success is determined by your game, where you stand in life and personality
@TruthBringer oh my gosh you're missing the point again. you having experience with dating women does not actually EQUAL being a woman. THIS woman prefers average looking guys. i prefer average looking guys. i literally have no idea where your getting your "research" from but numerous studies show that girls look at a guys demeanor first, as opposed to men looking at a girl's physical attractiveness. i, personally, would much rather have a average looking guy with a nice personality than a gorgeous guy with a horrible personality. that's what the op was saying too.
@___nik You do realize she is speaking for other women and not just herself, right? That alone makes your point irrelevant. Also, my sources come from studies and social experiments covering hypergamy. There are also females like Wowwgirl who have covered this topic and why women prefer "bad boys" (this is between quotes for a reason). Looks (including height) is crucial when attracting women in general. Pointing to exceptions to the rule, does not disprove the rule itself. And plenty of women get with good looking guys with a horrible personality only to become bitter towards men later on. There is a reason why people say "nice guys finish last" and "women only want bad boys and assholes".
@TruthBringer what you're saying implies that average guys are completely uncapable of finding women, which is completely not the case. Me and my friends have dated both average and good-looking guys, and a relationship is more enjoyable with a guy that has a great personality, and average men can have one. What the op is saying is that women prefer a great personality to a chiseled face in the long run. In the long run, a great personality is the most attractive. what you're referring to is initial attraction, and any idiot knows that good-looking people attract more people to them.
@___nik NEVER did I imply average looking dudes are incapable of getting into relationships. I’m saying that the better looking guys will ALWAYS have an edge in attracting girls. Grabbing a girl’s attention itself is hard for the average dude. Why do you think there is so much anger around this topic from the men’s side? Women go for the top 20% guys. This includes looks wise. All women? No. Are average looking dudes incapable of finding love? Of course not. Will they have to put more effort in compared to a better looking dude? YES. And I’m happy you have mentioned that relationships with average looking dudes can be more high quality. This has a lot to do with a guy having to work for what he got while for a guy who gets something easy, he doesn’t value it as much nor is he willing to work for it.In the long rong personality > chiseled face. Correct. In the long run. When she hits the wall and decides to settle down after fucking the ‘Chads’ in her 20s because the biological clock is ticking.What you have to realize that men’s experience differs for women. ESPECIALLY online dating. Many guys get no-where because they don’t have the looks. So for them, it’s over before it even starts. I’m fortunate not to be in the same boat. But I see it happen around all the bloody time.
@TruthBringer and never did I say that a good looking guy is unattractive, and neither did the op say that!! what we are trying to say is that we find good personalities more attractive than a pretty face, and while being good-looking might score you better chances with a girl, that girl is going to leave you once she finds out you're a shit guy. the point i'm trying to make is, that personality is ultimately more attractive than looks are. sure initial attraction plays a role in finding a relationship, but women value what induces long-term attraction (personality) more. like right now, i could meet you in real life and you may look like a walmart version of lucky blue smith, but i'm not going to feel any romantic attraction to you because clearly our views and personalities don't mesh well. i might think "oh, that guy is really hot" but i wouldn't want to date you. there's more anger from the man's side about women not wanting to have sex/be in a relationship with them because society has constantly projected that women owe something to men when men do something for them. it's why incels happen. incels truly believe that women are shallow disgusting beings who only want sex from handsome guys, which doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of average women who could struggle to find a relationship if they solely relied on their looks, but that's not what happens since they go off of their personalities as well to win men over. Initial attraction < long term attraction.
@___nik In the long term, you must have personality as a man. Once again, being ugly will make things A LOT harder to even get a partner to begin with, regardless if your personality is on point. And over time, women have proven multiple times that a man who is better looking will get instant interest and their personalities get overlooked. Hence why (ONCE AGAIN) statements like "women only go for jerks and bad boys exist". In the long run, a woman want a personality which doesn't drain her energy because toxicity. But women are often overlooking red flag because Chad is so handsome. Here is a psychologist talking:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqB9vhR5bJcAnd I don't like using Tinder as an example as women on Tinder are often GARBAGE. But still, this reflects reality:https://youtu.be/MSq54f2JT_U
@TruthBringer for the 238490238th time you're missing the point. tinder is obviously going to have women going for handsome guys, since it's more of a hookup app than a genuine relationship app. since you won't listen and are so adament on your belief that women are shallow assholes who don't value personality at all even though actual women have told you they do, let me just ask you these two thingsdo you consider yourself good-looking?and are you in a relationsip right now?we'll argue from there on.
@TruthBringer also i have watched the first video you provided. first of all, that's not a psychologist that's a dating coach who's trying to make bank off of insecure guys like you that want a girlfriend but fail to get one because of their mysognistic tendencies. second of all, as someone who has thoroughly studied biology and how the human body works, women are programmed to pick up on demeanor first, then initial attraction. that study has numerous margins of errors, the most massive being that these women were not put in the same room as these men and they were not left alone to have actual conversations in real life, all that was done is that these women were given literal biodata and asked who they wanted to date. yes, of course they're going to pick the average to handsome guys with bitchass personalities, since they don't have to *interact* with them. give me real evidence that's not from a biased youtuber with his fake ass studies.
@___nik 1. The dude is morethan a dating coach. Clearly you’ve not watched any of this guy’s video’s and simply chose to push him aside as some biased dating choas just to be able to dismiss his data and knowledge since they don’t suit your own biased narrative.2. I got a girlfriend sweetie, had one night stands and romantic relationships in the past, so your shaming tactics don’t work3. Why ask me if I’m good looking and if I’m in a relationship or not and then say I’m “insecure” and unable to find a girlfriend? Struggling with some cognitive dissonance I see.4. Everything is “misogynistic” when it comes to calling out women on her their bullshit and hold them accountable for their own actions, so nice try again.5. Women pick up on demeanor, yet somehow we always see them go for ‘the wrong men’. Why Women Love Bad Boys ↗6. Tinder is not the only source of dating. There is real life dating aswel.7. The source was there to point out that women don’t just want average dudes when it comes to looks. Lovely how you discarded the second video I’ve shared where it shows there are women who go for pedophiles and Nazi sympathizers
@TruthBringer that guy is a dating coach, and i've literally looked into his videos and his channel. he has no official backing as a "psychologist" and if he were a psychologist he wouldn't just focus on "why women suck". like i said, i thoroughly studied biology, and he uses ancient tribal terms to refer to how women act today. It's not applicable because tribal ages were nearly 10,000 years ago and the human mind and behavioral tactics completely change overtime. we have evolved from this bullshit he claims. also, you can be good-looking and insecure, just answer the question. it's misogynistic to pretend that you know everything about women just because your dumbass read a few articles and watched. i can admit that women have issues to, like the sugar baby culture and how they get more support in court systems than men do, it's not fair and its wrong. however, what i'm gonna draw the line for bullshit is you, a whole MAN telling me, a whole WOMAN what women like. also, i literally said tinder was not a reliable source of dating and that there's dating in real life, you just reiterated my point I don't know what you were trying to do there. the second video was about tinder, and again, i'm saying, tinder is mainly for hookups. we're not going to date a nazi sympathizer and a pedophile. And that wowwgirl article is completely correct, i agree with her. you seem to be missing the point again, since she said, and i quote, "We Want Their Sperm Not Them." you are basing all attraction off of sex attraction, what i and the op are basing attraction off of is romantic attraction. yes, women pick up on demeanor first and if you are sooo keen on "research and studies" go learn about how the female mind is wired, outside of your "psychologist dating coach"i mean go pick up a mf textbook and read. you're the one struggling with cognitive dissonance, get well soon x
@___nik Lmfao I know what I know about women because of trial and error. I also see many patterns that many articles and experiences of other men in regards to women. I gain knowledge and inject them into actions and see what works best. And one of the major experiences is that women often say they want A, but end up with going with B. Acknowledging this doesn’t make one “misogynistic”. A misogynist is someone who hates women in every aspect and doesn’t take the time to get to know more about them. So that term is not only baseless and overused, but also part of a pathetic logical fallacy that targets the person rather than the statement in order to discredit the statement without needing to engage it directly. That’s called an ad hominem (aka shaming tactic).
@___nik If you compare Alexander Grace with many other YouTubers, he does NOT spread hate. On the contrary, he tries to understand both sides. He also made a video on the stupid shaming term called “small dick energy” and he loved it. And if you think I only check out his video’s, you’re dead wrong. Just because I experience and see women’s nature differently than yourself, does not make me a “dumbass”, sweetheart. On the other hand, it makes you look like a fool for not seeing that we men experience you women a lot differently than you think. at least you’re managed to admit women got problems. Same goes for men. And I’m not telling what you like. I tell what women in general like. It’s YOUR words against MY experience, against data and other people’s experience. So who am I going to believe, my knowledge and experience that has helped me be successful in dating and getting in quality relationships or some random girl over the internet telling me I’m wrong. Sorry love, I’ll stick to the former. I speak from the patterns I’ve noticed from both research and from my experience. And Wowwgirl was spot on to what women want. It’s the sperm of the bad boy, but not the bad boy’s toxicity in the long run. But it’s the BAD BOY that gets his dick wet AND the attention in the first place. Sexual attraction is a motivator, not the goal. And cognitive dissonance? Nice projection. Keep deluding yourself, sweetheart. You're not fooling others here.
@TruthBringer well if you truly think you are the utmost connoisseur of women and will not even acknowledge that all women have different preferences and think that all women want is sex, i'm going to leave this conversation here. numerous studies have proven that women do not look at sexual attraction first but look at demeanor and personality first, and once again you're psychologist youtuber solely makes videos on women's behavior and uses his study of the tribal times to make baseless claims of modern society. i watched more of his videos, he doesn't have good arguments and thinks that everything a woman does is to attract a male. your point that you are making contradicts the actual post, since the op said "we also much prefer personality over looks." yes, looks is a motivator, but what a woman ultimately finds attractive is personality, and more so than looks. many, many, many pieces of data and studies have shown this claim to be accurate, and you're a man on the internet talking to someone who has studied biology in longgggggg depths about how the human body and human nature is. nice try.you're exhausting and i'm done responding to you. feel free to think your way and i'll think mine. my prayers go out to your girlfriend <3
@___nik Putting words in my mouth doesn’t help you in one bit. Never have I implied tobe “the utmost connoisseur” of women. I have said this before and I will repeat it again --> My belief on female nature is reinforced by both experience, witness and research. And by the way, no where did I even claimed woen don’t look at the demeanor. I’m saying (so do studies) that LOOKS MATTER. And more than what you ladies give it credit for. The attractive men will confirm this and the unattractive men confirm this aswel. Hell women confirm this. Actually, Alexander DOES have good arguments. Especially when it comes to hypergamy. Just because you don’t like what he preaches, doesn’t mean he isn’t in the right. “Tribal studies”. Sweetie, we are all animals running on instincts and are driven by our biology. If you think we are objective robots running on constant logic, think again. Ever heard of the limbric brain, miss who studied biology? Or should I bestow some psychological knowledge from my past course at university on to you?What the OP said points back to what I have said. Since you keep backpeddling, I will repeat it --> Women often say A, but then go with B. So in other words, what women say must be taken with a grain of salt. Actions speak louder than words. And of course there are exceptions everywhere. We live in a world with billions of people. But in general terms, that has often been the case.And my girlfriend laughed and said she doesn’t need your prayers because you’re full of shit and she is more than happy to be with me (her words). But I appreciate your (illegitimate) concerns, sweetheart <3
@TruthBringer glad we can end the conversation here dipshit <3 science can literally prove your point wrong.
@___nik Awh, snowflake got trampled on her feelings. Funny you say that since since studies themselves point my points right. Now go live in your delusional world and leave the realist talk to the more intellectual people who aren't prone to turn a blind eye. Make sure the door doesn't hit you on the way out, love <3
@TruthBringer theargumentisover. carrd. co
@___nik Then why are you still replying? I'vealready had forgotten about this argument. Carry on aswel now, love <3
Why do you prefer narrow shoulders?
@Bandit74 i tend to find it beautiful, it's easier to hug them, and i have a smaller face so my face fits perfectly when i rest my head on their shoulders :)
You loke really skinny men? Seriously, why so?
@aieeazumui I don't know, i just find it more aesthetically pleasing :))
But wouldn't it be boyish and seemingly _ weak" for a man?
@aieeazumui no, not really. i think it's really, really attractive and i don't really care about the man being "strong," to me its not that attractive and i like it more when a guy has a realistic body type :/
If you don't mind me asking, what ethnicity are you?
Are you skinny built as well?
@Bandit74 i'll answer if u tell me why ur asking that? i'll let u know when u answer
@aieeazumui yep i'm a size 0
Wow. Cool. What's your height and weight?
@aieeazumui 5'5/ 165 cm and 98 lbs/ 44 kg
Your preferences are odd, but I have a theory that certain ethnicities are more likely to share those preferences than others.
That part about the skirt and makeup for real?
@ThisIsMyOpinion yes. 100%.
@Bandit74 im south Asian. i think my preferences have to do more w age then ethnicity, bc my entire friend group has a thing for feminine boys, and so do a bunch of people my age (that's why the femboy hashtag on tiktok is so popular)
Hehe, semi-femboy here^^, I do think also it's more common for Asian people too, more representation (the evil k-pop conspiracy mouhahaha, I guess it' stronger than Timothée Chalamet alone^^) and it's also likely much easier to perform for Asian guys than us whites, and even worse for blacks on average (talking both biology and patriarcal expectations of manliness). But you're right it's really a zoomer thing, I'm a millenial, 25y. o., and we are really precursors, femboys my generation are more on twitter and Tiktok is weird for us, the millenial femboy archetype is semi-accepted among the queers because its ties with former incels with autism recovering from the alt-right and not fully deconstructed, or being transwomen eggs, depressed shitposters with a loud voice cat ears, that can look weird and unsafe from the outside, more or less justified. I know on my side I am intriguing and interesting for quite some women, but still wouldn't get myself outside Okcupid and fetlife, looking for the bisexual queer softdomme type when my age and older, more often nerdy and neuroatypical, in your gneeration, ethnicity and social circle altogether, it's probably way more normalized already :)
@Kittyboy oh that's so interesting, i've never heard the perspective of millennials on femboys. i'm part of gen-z, so my generation is starting to normalize it and in urban areas young people find androgynous and feminine guys more attractive than the stereotypical manly man. that's kind of sad how it's still not entirely accepted by the millennial queer community :((
Hard to read but you sound reasonable (if scattered)
@Bandit74 don't listen what they say look at what they do. They are sifting and qualifying guys by saying things like these. It's all bs.
@Mamamialetmego Most women follow what other women do almost religiously - both in actions and in what they state. (Men may be the same I just pay very little attention to them).Very few have their own heads and use them to connect the dots (as in, what kind of person you end up with and what problems you self-cause by having these 'assumed preferences' as to how a man should be, should look and should behave, to be appealing).The big one is alpha types - those easily turn into abusers, or 'confident men' - who are much more likely to find another woman.Many women say they want a relationship but are in essence looking for sex only (except they will never admit to that or accept it if it is called that)
@Mamamialetmego wtf,, those are just my preferences why'd you project your own insecurities on to the things i find attractive.
@prince350 you can want to be in a relationship and not have sex too tho, I don't know where tf you got the idea that women just want sex from. a lottt of my friends are saving themselves for marriage and are in healthy relationships with emotionally-stable males, it's people who generalize all women to be objects that just want to have sex that turn problematic, just like what you did
You must be in a location much more classical and sane - I keep finding women who had a child or two, then divorced - blaming their husband, but really looking for a ticket to unlimited sexual variety while the father still pays the bills (North Eastern Europe).Where are you located to be in such sanity?
@prince350 i literally live in an urban city in America, the country ranked third highest in the world for divorce rates. most girls just want a good relationship, not sex, and if they just want sex they make sure they tell the guy. you must be an incel.
You must be triggered
@prince350 since you didn't deny that u were an incel and you act like one, i think i'm going to responding to you :)
** lmao stop responding to youi can't type
Bah - talk girth only if you are prepared to show off tightness in the same department. Too much banging and you are a slut, not a wife. Don't banalise relationships to biology (lest you are happy to receive anal sex regularly).Gentleness, completely. Ditto for honesty, humility (in women it us largely non existent for display purposes at least - most have been bullied by the media so badly they consider being a complete ass a prerequisite to engage in an interaction related to love)Looks means other women will find him attractive - and your point one negates thatGentle -
@prince350 Okay, incel.
@prince350 Educate yourself. Tightness has nothing to do with being promiscuous or having a low body count.
@prince350 Chill out incel. And learn some biology while you're at it. A woman's tightness can be changed by sexual history sure but it can also depend on how horny she is, if she's had a kid and how big YOU are.
I see I pressed some buttons - you started throwing mud. Now see if it sticks - to you.
@prince350 You know nothing about biology. You’re just throwing old fashioned ignorant bullshit
Triggered, triggered 😊.Talk about length or girth, then talk about tightness.I'm 10 inch and wide on a bad day, I just don't take hypocricy
@prince350 I don’t get “triggered” by incels who can’t even spell correctly. Don’t flatter yourself babe.
Maybe those are not that common but it's my opinion :)
" Men can't show sensitivity or they will not be seen manly enough"That's reality for men. Men who are in tune with their emotions are often perceived as weak either on a conscious or subconscious level. This results in women getting turned off. Women want a strong masculine man, not another "girl". "- Men can't act cute because it's too feminine". Depends on your definition of "cute". If a man only acts "cute" and doesn't show masculine traits most of the time, women will lose interest.
@TruthBringer I totally understand what you mean. But in my opinion, it would be better for a man to have those characteristics even if it does not necessarily attract most women. I think it is better for a man to be who he really is, and who he really wants to be, no matter the judgment and he will end up finding a woman that loves him the way he is. Same thing for women. At the end of the day, the goal is not to attract the majority, neither it is to please everyone and their expectations of how you should or should not be. Someone that is different, and unapologetically himself is a big sign of confidence and nothing is more attractive than that.
These characteristics should be ingrained in everyone, not just men. We don't want to live in a world of anarchy. A man should be who he is indeed. But he should also learn how to be a person who can attract women. A man's ultimate biological goal is to reproduce. And if his soft sided nature doesn't help him with getting women, then he has to change certain things in himself when dealing with them. If it were so easy to find a woman who will accept him for who he is, then the manosphere wouldn't be growing more and more. And less men would give up on dating.Saying someone should be themselves is dangerous advice. A man should IMPROVE himself and learn to adapt. Survival of the fittest.
@TruthBringer I do not agree and I think this logic is common for men and also why a lot are struggling to find true love.
@Iwasthinkingif My experrience and success in dating and that of other men contradict what you say. A man is MADE. Unlike a woman. A man should should work on himself and be on the top of his game. The more developed a man is, the more success he will have. So "being yourself" is dangerous advice. You should always try to become an even better version of yourself. With your logic, we would still live in the stone age. It's men who work on themselves who have proven to have success in the dating game.
@TruthBringer Dating is not a game, and you sound like the one living in the stone age. Good luck anyways :)
@Iwasthinkingif Unfortunately, we live in a time where dating IS a game. Especially as a man. And I'm suppose to live in the stone age while you can't even come with 21st century intelligence to denunk my arguments. Quite funny if you ask me. Keep deluding yourself, sweetheart. You will never know how dating is for a man.
This is a rare realistic opinion. Stable counts. Not being a show off conquest for your girlfriends (and then wondering why he went on to the next woman that was dying to show him off to her friends playing a sex and the city godess - a very typically female state if being out of one's mind)
@prince350 exactly and honestly it’s really not a rear realistic it just may count come off as if a woman needs a billionaire but if she’s stable and she notices a dude is slacking in someway with his job she doesn’t really need to stay with him. You can’t blame a woman finding the appeal of someone who is a doctor that can obviously keep a stable life compared to someone who is a manager at Walmart well that woman may be the CEO of a business or a dentist or whatever
Brother man... you sound like you're in the revenge stage of a break up, you ok? I know it's a good thing to get the anger out but maybe don't put other people on blast because you're hurting? If you need someone to talk to/vent to/yell at I'll listen. Otherwise good luck and stay safe
@Old_Golden My friend, nobody is angry. I'm simply passionate about this subject as I see many men including those in my social circle struggle and sufffer. Nothing about "revenge". I'm in a great relationship and my past breakups were not only initiated by myself, but are way behind me. I'm here spreading knowledge of what I've learned and experienced. Not sure where you got the idea of anger. That's your own incorrect interpretation. But I appreciate the nice gesture regardless :)
"Ever seen women go mad for male strippers?"I have seen a bachelorette party porn video with over 20 women in there and the stripper guy had a happy ending. He was muscular but not a hulk. Certainly not scrawny or skinny or fat.
dude u manage to get 4 dislikes and all from women tht means u had given some fact
As a guy who was skinny for the majority of his life and is now 'ripped', I get A LOT more attention from women now than I have ever before. It helped significantly in (online) dating. I never take advice from women when it comes to dating. I ask the fisherman how to catch fish, not the fish itself.Women never give genuine advice in this field
@strraku Whenever you see pink dislikes, you know truth the has been spoken. Women rarely face the ugly truth and this is a good indication that you're speaking it.
@strraku I'm fully convinced that women prefer men to be naive and stupid because it gives them more power over them. The women here are all talking absolute bullshit, every single one.
@TruthBringer As did I. My weight has fluctuated throughout the years mostly because of different injuries I've had. I've gone from skinny to muscular, back to skinny again, to muscular, to fat, back to muscular again. Each time I noticed the difference in the way women would look at and react to me. By far I get the most looks and positive reactions when muscular.This is why it's important not to take notice of what women say at all, and to talk to other men instead. If we're all noticing a pattern, it can't be wrong, no matter how much women say otherwise. And they'll argue until they're blue in the face that we're wrong.
On this thread alone, I've been called an "incel", "bitter" and "loser" by both females and male feminists. One 52 year old male feminist even reserved his comment slot just to shit-talk me 😂. All because I call out bullshit advice and women who are ingenuine when it comes to attraction. I've had plenty of experience in dating and am currently in a relationship myself. So many things I've experienced is what the red pill points to.
@TruthBringer That's all they have. That plus "you don't understand women" and "you're a man and I'm a woman so you should believe everything I say 100%". There's a difference between what they say they like and what they actually respond to in real life. The reason they call you incel is because they want to imply that your opinions are based on nothing, when in reality it's because you've noticed patterns of behaviour after dating a lot of women, the same patterns other guys who've dated a lot of women have.
@Anonymous Exactly. Yeah shaming tactics is an attempt in damage control. Their use of the 'ad hominen' logical fallacy is nothing but a desperate attempt to discredit everything a person said by discrediting the person making the statement. Only those who lack the intellectual capacity to come with valid counter-arguments go that route. It shows they have lost the 'discussion' .
Its probably guys that had bad past experiences that skewed their views on them.
If you look at comments a lot of girls are lying or just aren't aware of themselves.
@Mamamialetmego you just prove my point. I had bad experiences with younger women
Women (not all but too many) have a hard time distinguishing assholes from truly confident guys. A truly confident guy doesn’t feel the need to though other guys under the bus to make himself look better. But guys who do that often get ahead with women.
It's not the jerkiness that is peeking interest, it's the characteristics of the jerk that do the trick. If what you said is true, then people wouldn't complain that women go for "bad boys" and "assholes". Oh by the way, a jerk can get away with being a jerk is he oozes masculinity and is good looking. Some average or ugly looking dude acting like an ass will get his ass handed to him in the dating game.
@TruthBringer true. Ugly guy acting like a jerk = douchebag. Good looking guy acting like a jerk = alpha and attractive. However I’ve seen guys who aren’t jerks but extremely funny/good looking and confident pull the most. But that requires the best of all worlds which is partially determine at birth, at luck and at environment. Every girl thinks she “deserves” a guy like that but most of them don’t. They deserve what they put out in the world.
@guesswhoseback Very well said!
@TruthBringer I just wish girls would stop using the phrase “bad boy”. It’s very possible to be an attractive confident guy who turns lots of women without being a douchebag. This guy doesn’t have to throw other guys under the bus (he’s often friendly) or break rules or the law. He just does what he likes confidently. That is NOT a bad boy. But he also has very quick judgment to understand when to set people straight vs. not letting people get under his skin. This requires quick reflexes and quick thinking. Very very few people have that. Very few. But again he is not a “bad boy”. Also only the best women deserve him because he is the best. Average girls are not entitled to him A “bad boy” is a guy who acts like a piece of shit out of a deep rooted insecurity. Sadly women reward him for it. They can’t distinguish false confidence from real confidence. Or they DO know the difference but the adrenaline high they get from the false confidence still gets them wet. They throw all better judgment aside and chase their self destruction. When I was younger I used to get pissed off and frustrated at women who chase guys like this. Then for a brief period of time I acted like one. It worked, but it made me feel empty and even more disgusted with female judgment. It requires a certain mindset I just wasn’t born with. At the end of the day we can’t control how women think. If they want to dive head first in the dark pit let them. But what pisses me off and disgusts me is how our f*cking society keeps giving women a shoulder to cry on for their own shitty decisions. It makes me want to vomit. 9 out of 10 times the writing was on the wall about these scumbags. Your “feelings” don’t justify your own self destruction. You made your bed now lie in it.
@guesswhoseback Amazingly well put! You are absolutely right. Unfortuantely, women DO fall for the toxic jerks. And because of it, more men start to emulate that in order to have success. I have found out the hard way that being a good hearted guy who prioritizes a woman won't get me anywhere. It's the opposite that helped me get with women. Fortunately, I beleive to hold the good characteristics from the adventurous bad boy without taking the negatives. Which helped me tremendously in dating and finding a quality relationship. Don't forget that many women lack fatherly love and guidance. So they fall for the wrong dude easily only to regret it later on.But whatever.. We can't stop them from sabotaging themselves with their poor decision making skills. What I do is share my knowledge both online and in real life to (young) men. And I'm glad to say that I've helped some dudes in real life by teaching them about female nature. They did the work and eventually got in happy relationships
@TruthBringer as guys we need to be tougher about women who come crying to us about getting screwed over. At least 50% of the time it is their own god damn fault (in the western world). If she’s one of those idiots who chases assholes than just say “you got what you have coming to you” when he screws her over. Let them deal with the consequences of their decisions. If only the western world was just as tough on women as it is on men for stupid decision making then we would live in a much different world. Women would still chase assholes but many of them would wise up earlier about where it’s headed. These women aren’t “victims”. However women living in Muslim (and southeast Asian) countries live in a completely different category. I acknowledge that women are truly oppressed in those regions. But they should never ever be compared to what western women have.
@guesswhoseback You sir keep surprising me with your accurate insights. You have gained another follower. And let me tell you, as a person who has lived in the middle-east (as an expat), has traveled to Muslim countries and has Muslim friends around me in my own country, I can confirm that Muslim women in the majority aren't as "oppressed" as you think they are. Not every country is Saudi Arabia. They are much more conservative and strict there, but the general population of women there tend to be satisfied. And yeah, they aren't dealing with bullshit as women here in the west
@TruthBringer thanks man. While it feels good to ventilate I also realize that men need to take action because nobody is coming to solve our problems. I plan to live abroad for 2 months come January. I live in a very liberal state in the USA and it absolutely sucks. your insight is better than mine is about Islamic countries. I’ve never spent much time in one. But why is that Western women gain so much “freedom” and at the same time complain and act miserable? Greed. I’m really hoping
“ Don't forget that many women lack fatherly love and guidance. So they fall for the wrong dude easily only to regret it later on.” by the way that is true. You can thank feminism for demonizing fathers and saying “women don’t need a man to raise a child”. It starts this vicious cycle.
Yeah that's why they write extremely sexual comments under handsome, sexy male celebrities' Instagram photos.
@Mamamialetmego they are gay men behind a female account
That’s way better than having to guess how he feels.
I find that amazing actually if he's willing to be open like that it means he trusts u
@Lizzzzz288283 @nerdybutlazy You both literally contradict the majority of women out there. Men are learning that stoicism and showing lower interest is what peeks female interest. There is a reason why simps always end up with nothing and emotional men barely get second dates.
@TruthBringer You've really just been so bitter about dating that the idea that a man who isn't your idea of what a manly man is if they actually dated a woman and were happy wouldn't make sense to you. Some women like sensitive men, some don't, that's like saying all the other guys like girls with brown eyes but you said you like green... for someone named truth bringer, you are so oblivious it's sad
@nerdybutlazy Sweetie, if I was bitter, then I'll join MGTOW or whatever. Your logical fallacies don't work here. You're coming with exceptions to the rule which doesn't disprove the rule itself. My words are aimed at the general. I've told you before and I'll do it again: You stick to your wishful thinking and I'll stick to my experience, experience of others and actual research.
Hallelujah. A tempered voice of reason.This site needs more voices that are past their 20s. It's pretty consistent, with age comes wisdom.Good job.
Do not underestimate the power of looks. Plenty of data shows that looks can make or break attraction. The thing is, it's not the only factor that plays a role in attraction. at least not for higher quality women.
@AmandaYVR for what? Long term relationship or marriage? Yes looks matter less and personality more. For sexual attraction and lust no it's mostly looks and behaviors.
I did notice that when I was 18...
You'll find someone with that list of requirements with little problem. It's the insane women that cause everyone's drama.
I get the muscles part. But I dot get the not being healthy part lol.
@Paul09 Lack of a lot of muscle doesn’t mean someone isn’t healthy lol. Muscles don’t = health. Muscles = tons of training in a gym in order to appear that way.
Agreed with you? It's the cushion part which is unhealthy lol. Depending how much too.
Exactly. Girls virtue signaling to look cool and good. What they say just a bs. Look at what they do.
This is sooooo truuu
Women do like nice guys. But being nice is not enough. You ALSO have to have at least a few of the following traits to win a woman's heart: smart, funny, handsome, tall, wealthy, strong, adventurous, courageous, bold, healthy, physically fit, motivated, romantic, skilled, family-oriented, loves animals, good with kids.
You forgot dicks. We like guys who are dicks not too much but its gota be there just little bit
You're a nasty bitch giving the rest of women a bad name
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this guy is seriously funny!
Finally a woman who speaks some truth here
I’ve been with married women who had short husbands. First thing she told me was her husband is 5 feet tall. Lol. Some women are tired of small dick short guys
You will only find a fuck if that is your criteria
For sex girs choose tall, sexy bad guys, for relationship they choose average looking caring kind good guys.
You will find someone to obsess over - who will then beat you up after sex.
You will find a drunken fuck (who will then beat you up)
@prince350 ? I'm saying those things are not attractive. I don't know what you are saying
And punching you when unhappy, yes?
For someone who will beat you up, that's a good list of what you need.