In the US software engineers code?

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I live in Europe but here people say "software engineers dont code in Us just they are interested in project development" is this right?

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abc3643 | 1.1K opinions shared on Education & Career topic.

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No, but in a sense yes.
Because coders are expensive, it is often outsourced to India.

Basically, the attitude here is:
"If you want it done quickly and cheaply, send it to India.
If you want it done correctly, have a US coder do it."

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baconninjadc

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Completely untrue. I have been a software engineer for 20 years and I have yet to meet a developer that does not code. In fact if they didn't, I would fire them or not hire them

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"In fact if they didn't, I would fire them or not hire them"

That seems a bit shortsighted because the software engineering process is a lot more than coding and, if you've been a coder for 20 years, you'd know that.

For instance, there's the analyst and systems engineering aspect of it involving solicitation of high level requirements from customers and translating them into software requirements. That does not necessarily involve code at all.

On the flip-side, you have "V&V" - verification and validation - and you don't need to code for that although, for unit testing or code reads, then it is important.

I've been working in software-related work for decades and rarely do I do any form of coding. Mostly either throwing together an SQL query or writing VBA for a macro or tool. Yet, on a daily basis, I wallow in C code modules and am a basic C coder, if that. I rarely need to check the code except for doing configuration management and checking CRCs and version numbers.
baconninjadc

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I'm tracking. You're talking about the sdlc but my assertion stands I would not hire a software engineer that does not write code. The industry has largely shifted from the waterfall methodology towards more agile approaches. That's not to say that sdlc v&v impact analysis requirements management etc etc don't have place. my assertion still stands I would not hire a software engineer that cannot write code. And I would quickly fire one if I discovered that they could not. That might be because I'm in the agile world and that's where I've been for the last 10 years. I understand there's another world out there but from what I understand it's a bit of a dinosaur. People still evangelize it's benefits but I say thanks but no thanks.
abc3643

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Well, I work in avionics software which is more uptight (*) normally that most commercial software. We have to adhere to DO-178B because people get killed if we fuck up...

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... like with Boeing's MCAS system that crashed 2 planes.
That was incompetence at its finest.

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abc3643

"In fact if they didn't, I would fire them or not hire them"

That seems a bit shortsighted because the software engineering process is a lot more than coding and, if you've been a coder for 20 years, you'd know that.

For instance, there's the analyst and systems engineering aspect of it involving solicitation of high level requirements from customers and translating them into software requirements. That does not necessarily involve code at all.

On the flip-side, you have "V&V" - verification and validation - and you don't need to code for that although, for unit testing or code reads, then it is important.

I've been working in software-related work for decades and rarely do I do any form of coding. Mostly either throwing together an SQL query or writing VBA for a macro or tool. Yet, on a daily basis, I wallow in C code modules and am a basic C coder, if that. I rarely need to check the code except for doing configuration management and checking CRCs and version numbers.

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baconninjadc

I'm tracking. You're talking about the sdlc but my assertion stands I would not hire a software engineer that does not write code. The industry has largely shifted from the waterfall methodology towards more agile approaches. That's not to say that sdlc v&v impact analysis requirements management etc etc don't have place. my assertion still stands I would not hire a software engineer that cannot write code. And I would quickly fire one if I discovered that they could not. That might be because I'm in the agile world and that's where I've been for the last 10 years. I understand there's another world out there but from what I understand it's a bit of a dinosaur. People still evangelize it's benefits but I say thanks but no thanks.

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abc3643

Well, I work in avionics software which is more uptight (*) normally that most commercial software. We have to adhere to DO-178B because people get killed if we fuck up...

(*)
... like with Boeing's MCAS system that crashed 2 planes.
That was incompetence at its finest.

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Anonymous

Not at all. I work for Amazon and all the software engineers code. There aren't any people who design systems but don't code. Some of the Indian consulting companies seem to cling to that ineffective structure.

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Cryptic-Game | 131 opinions shared on Education & Career topic.

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Not entirely. Plenty of Americans do software engineering.

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Anonymous

Not true

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