honestly I think what's holding people back from staying in the UK is the damn weather. Its ATROCIOUS lmao
Also yeah I'm American and once I get my degree I'm probably moving to Mexico or Panama. If not there than maybe Cambodia or India. haven't decided for sure yet.
Without a graduate degree*
You can see the divide in the comments here…
what field did you decide to get into? whats the income looking like over the next 10 years for you if you dont mind me asking?
@OddBeMe just saw I was pretty early lol. @t-8900 I went into social work but I knew what I wanted to do and where the money is within the field because a lot of people make pennies. Within 10 years I should be touching 6 figures if not way before that since I’m already at a comfortable amount and I haven’t started to add on into private practice yet.
thats swell! keep at it.
@t-8900 Mrketing, journalistic photography. Wish I took more business classes. But future seems bright for industry, if antivaxxers go away…somehow.
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Do you think it takes half an hour to produce a big mac?
You sound sane.
Why does mentioning college awaken such anger?
Conversely, when people are told that they need to go to college anyway, so they should go for what they love without (consideration to whether they'll be able to get a job); that's a bigger problem. Because if I go to college for an intellectual pursuit without any kind of plan, I can land myself into that life crippling debt just like you were saying, but combined with the resentment of being denied the opportunity to follow my dreams.
Tuition loans are a bubble that we need to deal with. But on whole, a college grad will have so many more avenues for money-making. And tuition loans are usually pretty good, less than 10% interest.
one of the biggest reasons why kids in america are so poorly educated is because we have an overall lack of respect for education in our country. This is why there is a saying the toughest jobs in the world are teaching and nursing. When you're forced to teach a room full of kids who won't listen to anything you say , you're not teaching instead you're babysitting.
@nella965 You're absolutely right! 💯
Get a trade. lol Learn on the job. Get better pay as the years go by.
Corporations, maybe. But not every career path is working for a corporation. I'm trying to get into the hotel industry. Before you can become a manger you typically need 3-5 years at the bottom before getting that position.
that's even after you get your General Manager's Business degree
@t-8900 I think you what is more important are your references and gaining skills on how to deal with difficult people. Focus on those rather than just to sit there until your 3-5 years is up
I mean I started customer service when I was 14. I have that down. I just need my degree and I can go to high end hotels. I'm not looking to work a Motel 6 I'm looking to work for like a high end luxury hotel near a beach resort.
@t-8900 I have seen hotel managers without degrees but just certificates
Maybe with an associates and certification I can do it. Would be nice. I would love working in Miami or Houston or one of the Tropical Resorts. It's a dream anyways lol.
I make six figures and i don't have anything what you describe so... this idea that you think you need that shit is stupid. I do have a trade that is needed.
@ManHater nobody wants to do trades. the work is unsophisticated, dirty, harsh physical labor. trades are jobs for folks who couldn't do well in school.
Actually, you are right in some form yes. Some blue collar jobs are very manual labour but there are many trade people who have very specific skills. Steam fitters, Pipe welders, Plumbers, Electricians, Elevator tech's, Boiler makers. These people and more make the world around you work. This is why we make 50-100 an hour. Even when I am on the pipeline I bill my hourly rate and my rig rental so I clear about $150+ an hour but those are dependant on contracts. Even working nuclear we are put in school for a good month before we do any work. Of course we get paid to sit in the class room to learn how to do the job. So I don't think you really understand those men and women who make every day life easier for you princess. However I'm more than happy to make $4000.00 a week take home. Did you know I was paid $2000.00 a week take home to sit on my ass for a whole 2 months in doing nothing at a nuke station. Why? Because they need a pipe welder on standby. They can't just call joe blow down the road auto repair to weld pipe. No I'm sorry that is not how it works. It take's skill and knowledge.
@ManHater you can make around the same amount of money in software engineering, sitting in an air conditioned room on a cushy chair. Its a comfortable environment, its not dirty or physically laborious. You get much more respect doing professional jobs too. Trade work is not something people can usually do until older age. Most are forced to retire early. There is a reason why no young people are entering trades. Plus trade work as a rookie doesn't pay anything.
@ManHater you only make a lot of money in trades if you own your own business. Otherwise, you don't make much.
@ManHater elevator mech, plumbing, carpentry, welding are all jobs that have a lot of safety hazards. Its a dirty, dangerous job that not everyone is willing to take on.
Software engineers require a lot of schooling. Think about the debt the guy has to pay off, even a beginner software engineer does not even come close to his $135K-$150K cap. A tradesman can get paid working on the job and also get experience and every year make more money because of his apprenticeship. You talk about hazards of work, I know how office workers keep tubes of preparation "H" hidden in their desks. Staring at a computer screen all day, getting fat and ugly. Talking to toxic female co-workers. Me I'm out in the field with the guys we shoot the shit and get along great. We have fun and we joke around. From a work perspective my work is hazardous yes, but there is a reason why we wear respirators and other PPE to protect ourselves. From a physically demanding job where I stay in shape, I would pick that from a job sitting at a desk all day getting fat and ugly.
@ManHater not all college degrees equal desk jobs. Like being a store manager you are on your feet a lot. Also you can still just go exercise after work anyways, not that big of a deal. At the same time we're not working ourselves to the bone or out in the elements. I don't hate on trades but they aren't for everyone. I never took interest in tools and handyman jobs.
@ManHater Do you realize how frequently plumbers get sick? do you realize how many people get injured in doing trade jobs? this risk of injury only increases as you get older. the job also gets more difficult as you get older. For desk jobs, the jobs tend to get easier as you get older. Many people are forced to retire trade jobs by the time they hit late 40s - 50. The pay as a young trade worker often sucks. You won't get paid the big bucks until you've busted your ass for years and saved up enough money to start your own business. The work is disgusting and you carry home all the germs to your family.
@ManHater Professional workers can go to the gym with ease after work. Just wait until your 50s, where your knees stop working and you're forced to retire. Knees and back are the biggest problems when it comes to trades. Its not a job you can do as you get older.
This is why we have pessions.
And even with a college degree, some people don't make enough to pay back their student loans. A college degree doesn't guarantee anything. It also doesn't help to have a college degree in just anything
not only that but you are wasting a lot of valuable time for it too. I need 4 years of college to learn how to manage a workforce or a single building? It's prolonged to milk the money out of us and it pisses me off.
@t-8900 Yeah I know. And you can use those years working and saving for retirement instead
what are you currently going for?
@t-8900 I'm going for supply chain management
Nice another fellow future manager. Good to meet you XD
Nice to meet you too 🙂
@t-8900 You can just get an NVQ in Management. There's loads of evening classes you can take.
Only 42% of US have college degrees, but maybe tech schools and alike push us over the edge.
But education teaches us to resist propaganda doesn't it?
Not necessarily, Being open to ideas that are different and accepting that another person can have different ideas from you and you don't judge them as evil because their ideas are different is important.Look at the vaccine situation. Some people believe that the vaccine should be mandatory.Some think that the person has the right to choose. If it were forced abortion, "to save the planet" some people would say save the planet.But who makes the choice as to who can have a child?
True, but makes it more likely.
Thanks! Was wondering when the American Taliban would arrive.
I'm waiting for the one where we argue what color the sky "really" is
I guess to me the only real divide is the intelligent vs unintelligent.
Breathe, now tell me what’s bothering you. Besides crt.
That I can't find a Cathode Ray Tube anymore for my House of the Dead Rebuild.
I've often said that as well, dude.