And a lot of name dropping
News flash, that's rock and roll too. Notvthe getting shot p oart but realistically very few rappers get shot after becoming stars. I'm pretty sure you can count them on one hand.
Well it depends on what you take as rap and hip hop... for example wu tang, run dmc or even 2pac and biggie may rap about some drugs but usually about how it suck to (in their case) sell crack on street. .. most of them did it because in their time America was messed up
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Rap is older than 40. Maybe wasn't marketable until the 80s, but that's actually part of the problem. Early rappers did rap about socially relevant issues, but the market is narrower for that. Big music producers only pushed the nonsense that kids everywhere could relate to or aspire to. The rappers who stuck to their message got left behind, or killed. There are some interesting theories on the how and why of it too.
@Chaz269 Then by your own acknowledgment it isn't older than 40. You are alive from the moment on conception but you are not a person until you're born. Rap as an institution didn't arise until the 80's. Also 'relevant' is totally subjective. You don't decide what's socially relevant to me. You are twice my age. What's socially relevant to you isn't at all to me. We have way different social groups.
Dude, that's stretching for an argument by any standard. Rap has been around for more than 40 years. It's not a "person" so you can wipe your ass with that stoopid comparison. Yeah, I'm older than you, so I actually EXPERIENCED rap before it even existed based on your ignorant opinion. How the fuck did I manage that? Oh yeah, because you're a dumbass who's too invested in his own ignorance to simply admit you're wrong. Grow up, junior.
@Chaz269 Give me an example of when you EXPERIENCED RAP before it even existed? which isn't even a thing. Rhythm and Blues was just called race music until an executive coined the term and then it becomes the institution of Rhythm and Blues. Before Rap was Disco. You didn't experience Rap at all. You experienced Disco. There was no formula to a Rap record until popular culture coins the word/genre and it thereafter becomes an institution with axioms & a dictum.
You are right The 50s and 60s were good examples
I mean honestly any decade. And I wpuld argue that they were often even more popular for that one brief minute than a lot of the rap acts because rock/pop was listened to in greater amounts than rap so them burning out is even more notable.