How do you feel about Bert and Ernie being confirmed GAY lovers?

How do you feel about Bert and Ernie being confirmed GAY lovers?
A former writer for Sesame Street is revealing that the characters of Bert and Ernie were gay. In an interview with Queerty, Mark Saltzman was asked the question that many have wondered for years, and in a touching response shared for the very first time that Bert and Ernie were an analog for his own relationship with his late partner, Arnold Glassman.

He also said in the interview that Mr. Snuffleupagus was written like a 'closeted' homosexual, and expressed his remorse about never being able to write the iconic show's first gay storyline.
How do you feel about Bert and Ernie being confirmed GAY lovers?
'I can remember pitching to the education department, the gatekeepers of the curriculum, gay content, just to get it off my conscience. And I can remember being stonewalled in a way that it made me think it was a lost cause,' said Saltzman.

Saltzman said in the interview that he first came to realize the sexuality of Bert and Ernie after a child pointed out the close bond between the two men.

'I remember one time that a column from San Francisco Chronicle, a preschooler in the city turned to mom and asked "are Bert & Ernie lovers?" And that, coming from a preschooler was fun. And that got passed around, and everyone had their chuckle and went back to it,' said Saltzman.

He also revealed that another popular character on the show also had a bit of a gay backstory.

'But those two, Snuffalupagus, because he’s the sort of clinically depressed Muppet…you had characters that appealed to a gay audience,' said Saltzman.

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  • Stupid.

    They aren't anything. They are puppets, there is no sex life or anything. Stupid people with their stupid adult, personal agendas trying to push this stuff on kids who aren't yet sexual are just kind of sick.

    As long as they don't put that stuff in the show itself, which to my knowledge they never have, than I would continue to let my kid watch it but if they ever started to add those topics into the child, puppet show than I just wouldn't let them watch it.

    They are puppets. They don't have straight, gay or anything story lines. None of them do so this person just sounds like they are letting their own agendas and issues affect what they say.

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    • ps - I don't want them to be "straight" either, that's the entire point of kids shows. They aren't SEXUAL at all. They are INNOCENT. Sexual orientations don't apply to puppets. They aren't anything but just cute.

    • This is the response everyone should have.

  • Like any 2 gays guys in real life, I don't really give a shit.

    Should modern kids today learn about the world from things like Sesame Street? I think so. We learned basic Spanish, how to count, what our letters were, that invisible friends were okay, black kids and black people were not treated differently, and a bunch of other stuff. We turned out okay.

    Why shouldn't kids learn that sometimes dudes love each other, live together, sometimes even get married, but sometimes not?

    No skin off my nose either way.

    Bert is still evil though. We all know that, right?

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  • Ironic how so many people are commenting that it's a kid's show and sexuality should stay out of kid's shows, but y'all seem to be forgetting that Miss Piggy and Kermit were together too. But that's of course acceptable because they were technically straight! Forget about the fact that they're a FROG and a PIG, still wayyyyy more "normal" than two human-esque gay characters amirite? Ugh y'all are all fuckin hypocrites lol

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  • Sesame Street has always been a place where the idea was to provide an additional tool to help educate children. They've done it with race, with disabilities, with death, with different languages, etc. Why should this topic be any different? Are we to believe that there are no kids out there that don't have gay siblings, aunts, uncles, parents, cousins, etc? Pretending like gay people don't exist is no better then trying to pretend those with disabilities, or religions, or those of other races don't exist because the topics and issues that surround them are "too difficult," to talk about.

    When you teach kids especially the idea of treating others simply the way they want to be treated regardless of what their social title is or will be, you ultimately teach love not hate, and that has always been the biggest lesson of all on Sesame Street.

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  • I don't think they should be gay. I don't think they should be straight. I think it's supposed to be a children's show that teaches kids how to count to 12, their ABCs, and basic social concepts and mental development.

    lols... Now, fucking Sesame ST is sexualizing mupets. Kids this age do not care about sex stuff - why is it even a thing to consider for children? Why are people so fucked up today that it's ok to talk sword fighting with a fucking 5 year old? JESUS FUCK

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  • It's bullshit. The children at that age have no clue as to what sexuality even is. Straight, Gay they don't give a shit about either. Let them remain innocent as long as possible.

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  • Ernie wasn't gay. He was an "anasexual"; he was into animals of the genus Anas aka ducks. He _loved_ that rubber duckie! See?

    https://youtu.be/cDy4PZPMDwU

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  • I think Snuffalupagus always seemed like that creepy old guy down the street that liked talking to the kids a bit too much and that Bert and Ernie could have simply been roommates. But if their creator was gay then it makes since that his favorite creations could also be gay.

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  • Something should be done to them at the next episode:
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  • I think they shouldn't push sexuality in a children's show but to each their own.

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  • 1. former writer so not confirmed
    2. i don't remember that show but I am almost certain there wasn't a heterosexual couple either. It is a children's show, everyone is asexual.
    3. go watch the weird side of youtube if you want wired children's tv.
    4. IT IS A CHILDREN'S SHOW ABOUT TEACHING TO READ OR COUNT ETC. PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT ABOUT YOURSELF.

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    • Nice try, Miss Piggy and Kermit were a heterosexual couple. Let's face it, no one cares if there's straight couples in kid shows, people just wanna hate it if there's a gay couple.

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    • If Bert & Ernie were considered gay, it changes nothing, hell it doesn't even show it. It wouldn't be a change to the show being about education. Just like that straight couple being shown doesn't somehow make it about their relationship. Do you understand?

    • @Cheetah23 the company matters when it is Jewish, Christian, Muslim taxpayers funding said company. How many times do I have to spell it out? TAXPAYER MONEY IS FUNDING SESAME STREET IT IS NOT FUNDING MUPPETS. Sesame Street producers have to answer to every mosque, church and temple. Disney DOES NOT ANSWER TO ANYONE. If you want to complain to anyone, complain to Disney. A public company is not the same as a private one. Please take a business 101 class. And once again, America is a mostly religious country.

  • This show is meant for little kids, so can we keep the adult topics out? This reminds me of Alex Jones ranting on about frogs turning gay. What do we have next? Oscar the Grouch is a closet-Nazi? Grover is a crackhead? Big Bird gets off watching porn? Elmo's got a gun?

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  • I think it's a kids' show, and this sort of shit doesn't belong there.

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  • Writers of kid shows often add in hidden plots that adults will pick up on.
    I don't think a show like Sesame Street ought to teach sex education, or marriage goals, I don't think 7 year olds are interested in that. But having a hidden theory in the show is fine.

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  • It's how they brought in the gay movement into mainstream.

    They spam propaganda on TV.

    They are doing this with LBGTQ now. All for political garbage.

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  • I feel like it's horse shit, something they just came up with now for the sake of "diversity". It's stupid as all hell. Let's just throw identity politics onto children because they're not allowed to have childhoods free from adult problems.

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    • Dude, did you ever watch Sesame Street? Bert and Earnie would be revealed to be gay even if the show was from Russia and the writer knew he'd face persecution. Nothing to with political correctness or diversity. It was just... obvious. It's the writer's characters, not yours and he designs them how he wants and it's not like he sued to be able to show what the characters were really like.

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    • @errorgoodnameunfound Mark is NOT the creator. He is a writer. The creators are Frank Oz and Jim Henson, so no. It does NOT prove your point. It proves that one rogue writer is trying to derail the narrative by throwing his own political beliefs behind Bert and Ernie. He is wrong.

    • In that case, it's left a bit open. Mark, Frank, and Jim all contributed to these characters, therefore, it's left open to interpretation which one of their views is most correct. From what I understand, Frank and Jim helped create the characters yes, but Mark wrote scripts it seems and if he used personal thoughts reflected into those scripts, that affects character outcome, but it's limited because then he is still not an original creator from what I know.

  • Jeez they're muppets on a children's show. They shouldn't have a sexual orientation!

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  • Sesame street also had a hiv positive puppet and a puppet who's father went to jail. That show had every scenario a kid could come across and boiled them down to understand.

    Sesame street from day one was a theater of modern day trials for children. From numbers, letters, to social pressures and hardships. Even how obvert the couple was till now is a great metaphor for the times of gay people.

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    • "For the time for gay people" is what i should of said.

      As a side note to people saying it's a publicity stunt. They are public funded with country's buying rights and making copys world wide. Money is no issue to these people. they cover every issue with care and compaction under the sun, how can they not talk about gay people?

  • Notice it said "former writer" that means he isn't one anymore so all the shit he said doesn't matter cause it's not canon and never will be it was just one of his ideas before he was fired/left.

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  • Out of all the characters to describe your gay relationship, you chose Bert and Ernie?

    I mean, as long as I can keep doin my alphabet and learning what those numbers and shapes do... I'm not worried about your sexuality.

    Is being anything other than straight really much of a surprise anymore? You're not causing any shock here.

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  • I don't care.
    What's next? Big Bird is a hermaphrodite?
    Snuffle is a junky?
    Oscar the grouch is really a perso, not a muppet, who's just extremely dirty?
    Come on. Get off of it.

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  • Its just a kids learning show. Just let the entertainment be as it is. Feel bad that kids are probably taking in good lessons as in spirit of the show, and then there's this. Lots of people troubles are really a lot to-do about nothing. Really wanna spend your one and only life worried about things?

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  • This is a really old notion confirmed. When I was in high school, someone suggested that Ernie was gay and that Bert was a nice guy, because Ernie would always get cookie crumbs in the bed as an excuse to sleep in Bert's bed.

    Never thought of Snuffalupagus as a gay character, but I liked when people finally recognized he wasn't imaginary and all his relatives chose Sesame Street to have a derby.

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  • IF i had children growing up watching that show and once they ran over these articles, i'd calm down, get a metal rod, walk into the writers office and take my time to beat the sht out of their sjw- lgbtRoflLol faggt asses sayin "you know why, right?" dont dare fckn with kids heads, thats not a playground for fck sake.

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  • Lame... that's why men can't be intimate friends without feeling like homos.

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  • I really dont care but just because a previous writer wanted to write them as such doesn't really mean anything. He doesn't own the characters and isn't the only writer on them. Also, there are no puppet couples in the show so I can't help but think this is just another attempt from someone to get attention and virtue signaling point on an already established show.

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  • It's B. S. The producer of Sesame Street said it is not true. Also the writer who said that joined in 1984. Bert and Ernie were around when I was in kindergarten in 1969-1970.

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  • Mark Saltzman and the Queerty staff need punches in the face. Leave The Children's Television Workshop alone!

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  • Dont give crap whether they're gay or not they're puppets so it doeznt matter I don't know why people get so triggered by the fact they're confirmed to be gay. I mean come on even as a kid I suspected that they were gay.

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  • Here's what I have to say about that:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f93mEUOigE

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  • I feel no type of way. It makes no difference to me. I feel exactly neutral about it. Right smack in the middle. Hardly registers. Fine.

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  • I didn't know anything about homosexuals back then, didn't even know that it was a possibility. It doesn't surprise me now, nor does it bother me at all.

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  • Don't really care lol coz it ain't true. We all know he changed the storyline to fit with todays timeline.

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  • Good for them.

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  • They are pretty much pushing the homosexual agenda now into kids shows without considering parent's opinions on it. They did it so freely with Christianity by removing it out of school and everywhere else but now pushing homosexuality... i just think that's funny.

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  • I don't know, growing up I always got the sense that Bert was always annoyed by Ernie and that they always had one of those weird "frenemy" releationships. However, I guess that could be seen as a "sign". Lmao, I HIGHLY doubt the validity of anyone saying that they always had a "suspicion", or always knew. What child is sexualizing a puppet? Children barely understand the depth of the relationship between their parents, let alone puppets...

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  • I don't feel anything about it. I see nothing wrong with showing some children's characters as gay. Opposing to it only means that you innately believe that homosexuality is something bad. It is not.

    I know I'm gonna get downvotes for this but whatever.

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    • Oh , and those saying that they're children's characters and shouldn't have sexual orientation, are a-okay with Shrek-Fiona, Aladdin-Jasmine, Simba- Nala. Beats me. If that's so, they shouldn't be okay with aforementioned examples either.

    • Ah, homosexuality is wrong. Thanks for telling me, God.

  • They were brothers. Older episodes support this. I think their going with the whole gay storyline because it fits the narrative and climate of today.

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  • I'm glad, it will likely help the younger generations become more accepting and tolerant for the future.

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    • Because people aren't accepting of homosexuality enough? Really?

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    • @penguin1965 penguin1965 agree

    • If you say so, but I respectfully disagree.

  • Who cares? There's other things on TV that kids often see which are way worse than gay characters on Sesame Street. You'd think by the way some people are acting on this question, that they were talking about bestiality or incest. Get the fuck over yourselves. It's not like Bert and Ernie being gay is a total shock, either.

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  • I knew it. I remember having a crush on a boy when I was about 8. It was very innocent because I had no idea what sex was so stop with the BS that kids don't know that is. People need to downgrading children's observation skills and intelligence. Not only are children very resilient, they are imaginative and intelligent. Means a lot coming from me because I don't even like kids. To me, the screeching of toddlers is the literal definition of nails on a chalkboard.

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    • Sex improves the relationship

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    • My bad 😂😂

    • I'm just thing about it a lot
      We don't have sex here before 25 at least 😂😂

  • Or they just have an unbreakable frienship...😐 I mean girls cuddle with each other all the time whether they are cold or they just feel so close to their best friends but that doesn’t mean they are gay right?

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    • I've never seen one heterosexual guy "cuddle" with another heterosexual guy and I've lived in Boston for a good portion of my life. That's a girl thing, in my opinion.

    • Lesbiaan!

  • Why does it matter? ? Why does “this shit not belong in kids shows?” There’s princes and princes who are STRAIGHT couples and nobody complains about that not being ok for kids. The only reason people have issues with it is because they sexualize it. A relationship is a relationship, regardless of the sexes of the people in it and so if one kind of relationship isn’t ok for kids, none of them are.

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    • You sound ignorant asf. Men are not supposed to be with men. And women aren't supposed to be with women. Thats not how nature works and thats not how its supposed to be. How ever you want to think about it, same sex is NOT how its SUPPOSED to be. Nobody complains about straight couples because thats normal dumb dumb.
      I know people are entitled to their own opinions🙄 but dont complain about why normal stuff isn't getting treated the same as un-normal stuff. You fail every time

    • @IDKCanYouHelp

      No kidding. When less than 1% of the population is gay, why the fuck are we seeing this leftist bullshit injected into 99% of our television shows. There is not a single new television show with some token gay effeminate beta male - as if half the population was gay.

      Leftists are destroying the fabric of society - replacing the family unit with their pro-LGBT, pro-pedophilia, pro-sexualization agenda. Oh what? pro-pedophilia? You must think I'm crazy. Think again.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4ok_W-7d4&t=24s

      The left... unsurprisingly supported by Hollywood, which is a cesspool of pedophiles, is trying to make the world believe that pedophilia should be an acceptable thing. Why? Because just like LGBT people, they were born that way, and did not choose to find children and infants sexually attractive. There are some very sick people, and they're called the left.

    • I believe it help young people it teaches tolerance unlike the two who replied.

  • It's not a big deal. Can't believe people are this upset about puppets. Other muppets have had significant others before, why them being gay is an issue... i don't know. sounds like homophobia a little bit there but i'll leave that alone.

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  • Children should not be worrying or exposed to that at such young ages. That's why so many "gay" teenagers have showed up. Because adults are shoving it down peoples throats. Diversity is good, just not here.

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    • It’s about teaching tolerance.

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    • This happens when kids don’t think it gets better. www.theguardian.com/.../tyler-clementi-gay-student-suicide

    • Why are you bringing suicide up? He committed suicide as a teenager and teenagers know about sexuality and they don't need to be confused much about it at a young age ( like middle school ) and get mixed up. Babies don't need to know about suicide or gays. Instead, they should learn morals. Any parent who exposes their child to this is scum of the earth and is taking part in ruining this generation with something called "over exposing" and "overly praising"

  • I don’t care. I think it’s cute actually. It could be seen as dangerous, but I think children should learn about all kinds of people in order to grow up more tolerant of our differences. BUT that may be seen as encouraging it🤔

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  • Wow. All this time I thought they were just puppets.

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  • Anyone could tell the 3 were gay. But i legit thought bert and ernie were bros. And wow why on a kids show

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  • In my New book, I used these Two but I did Say, "The next thing you Know you will be saying Bert and Ernie are Gay."xxoo

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  • I think it's all about gay being "trendy". Why didn't they say this long ago? why now? sounds like publicity stunt

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    • Maybe because it’s more acceptable now. Years ago there probably would have been a ridiculous amount of outrage and ridicule

    • Possibly.. I personally dont think there's a problem with then being gay. its actually cute

  • Honestly, it's not anything bad. The fact that people are pissed about this is hilarious because it's not normal. I have never seen so many people upset with stuff like this but it's 2018, everyone gets pissed off about everything.

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  • I'm wondering why it's such a big deal, and why people are making it a big deal. I'm only happy because the Jesus cult is probably losing their minds right now. I love when snowflakes freak out.

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  • I don't care, what goes on in the privacy of their own home is their business and nobody elses.

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  • Who cares? And why do we need to talk about it?

    They are also fake characters, not real... sooo... this is dumb.

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  • If through then it's silly as charcters on the show are homosexual or even hetrosexual in anyway

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  • I don't know.. Not sure that the intentions are that light hearted it has become short of a trend call characters homosexual for te share of diversity and such. I'm all for it but damn xD

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  • I don’t believe it. People are using the “gay” community as bait for their clothing line, shows, and little groups so they can be liked or receive money. What happens when you speak positivity you receive a flood of money and fans. The second you mention anything negative then you’re much hated and wiped off the radar.

    Back than being open was not accepted as it is today and you would actually be ridiculed. Bert & Ernie was known as brothers and if you check out the children’s books you would see the storyline. The creator just wants attention and needs more money in his pockets.

    Why mention it now if he was genuinely prideful in his creation? Why wait?

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  • I suspect it all along. It was kinda obvious to be honest. It's cute and adorable

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  • Hey something to help younger generations. I struggled with it cause my family are religious.

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  • I could care less. As long as they don’t leave their used condoms in sight or their Hitachi magic wand.

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  • its absolutely ridiculous. Like I thought berr and ernie were. good friends

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    • good friends... sharing a space... REALLLLLY friendly with each other... arguing basically like any couple would... yah... the spark was there. I don't remember ever seeing them apart. Every other character usually went to several people but they were a pair that stuck together.

  • Fucking hell they were obviously flat mates or something. Not every kids show has some secret story behind it haha

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  • I thought they where friends or roomies but I dont care honestly

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