Psssh, I remember your rude ass. Don't you live in some small town where buses don't exist? I lived in a mid size one and even then, I CONSTANTLY was told by hiring managers I needed a car to get to work. No, they aren't paying for it, gas, or maintenance, just a requirement, because I guess employers are special and being late from a shitty transit system is a crime worth firing people over. I'm not saying it's impossible, as I've survived on a friends old phone and public wifi for the first few months I was working until I made enough for a phone plan. But would I have kids to add to that stress? HELL NO that's stupid af and I'm not sadistic enough to have kids KNOWING they'll grow up with barely any decent care, as kids can always be adopted later. Plenty available.
@errorgoodnameunfound Oops sorry , I remember that. I should have been more civil haha. Where I live there are busses, ubers, taxis, etc. But owning a car is expensive so I take the bus at least half hour to spare. Yeah I agree, but kudos to her for raising the kid instead of getting an abortion.
Also, I walked to work. Freezing cold and blistering heat too. About a 20 min walk there and back, plus I often worked outside. Glad to be out of that situation for now, but it's part of what made me decide that if gov'ts and employers care so little about the average joe, we have NO reason to give them MORE workers/tax slaves to drain from aka kids. If the economy crashes from everyone going cheap ass mode and most people go down. at least hopefully many of those greedy sobs will be dragged down with us.
Huh, an actual apology on GAG. Miracles do happen. Cool. Thanks. But what small area do you live that has all of that? Sounds like NYC. Also, oh... abortion... that's the part that never fails to piss people off. But I think you are more decent than you appeared, so please, answer my questions that not a single pro lifer has EVER bothered to give me straight answers on:Who will PAY for that baby if will have to be on welfare?What is the likeliness the kid will grow up happy? Additionally, if we don't want abortion as an issue, shouldn't we do a LOT more to educate so teens don't have accidents? Is it really impossible to have a combo of teaching abstinence AND sex ed well? LASTLY, I know this is harsh, but I know people from high school who refused to abort so far and now can barely afford even a simple baby shower. Care to donate so they don't change their mind? Every single pro lifer I know didn't answer, so sure shame if it comes to that...
@errorgoodnameunfound I live in the GTA so in the suburbs close to Toronto. New York City is a shithole from what I heard, like the rich are leaving. I think the woman usually gets child support from the baby daddy? But I'm not really sure how the courts work. Like he pays a percentage of what he earns? But sometimes, none, if the man is in jail or just super poor lol. At this point, I don't really care about happiness, like that's a middle-high class thing. I care if the kid has an education, food, shelter, the basics really. But the kid should remember this as a life lesson that getting a girl pregnant or becoming pregnant outside of marriage is a life struggle. But I heard this cycle repeats unfortunately.
@errorgoodnameunfound I think abortions just evade responsibility and that I think everything you do has a price to pay for it, a consequence. Plus abortions are primitive and savage, child sacrifice blended with sophisticated technology. Still, is inhumane, infanticide, seriously, like you know about the survival of babies back then, very poor, and now you want to intentionally get rid of them because you had a one-night stand? It's not the woman's choice, that's the lie, the gov or elite don't want women to have children or have families in general, they want them to be slaves to the corporate world or something? I had sex-ed starting in Grade 5, and they talked about birth control in Grade 7-8 and abstinence and in Grade 9 gym class, every birth control there. Plus we have the internet, plus doctors, etc. No excuse. But I think abstinence is the best. The church was actually the one that taught this, but since everyone hates Jesus and God, yeah, this is the reason why immorality is seen as righteous. Okay, that's good for them, very good. There are ways around it, relatives, parents, ADOPTION? Many people out there want newborns, they're so hard to get and expensive for adoption. Hell I want one haha, my family could raise a kid because my mom can't have kids now. People in developing countries have lots of kids and the kids even earn money for the household, so if they can do it, yes you can. Parents need to stop buying material goods for the kids, it's not mandatory.
Ah a Canadian. No wonder you ended up apologizing xD You're right too about the cycle constantly repeating. For sure it does and a crap educational system doesn't help. And OF COURSE abortions evade responsibility and aren't fun! You think I LOVE the idea of having them given constantly? Ofc not! But as you said, no options for abortions mean the cycle continues to repeat. You think kids that are born to teen moms NEVER grow up to be that criminal that is looking to jack your purse? or even rape? You think teenage parents are NEAR as likely to raise a kid as well as older ones? What if their own family is also made up of teenage parents? What's the solution?People in DEVELOPING COUNTRIES have lots of kids to make a HUGE population with SEVERE poverty that is unsustainable and ridiculous. Hence the name, DEVELOPING country. You WANT countries like America or Canada to look to developing countries as a role model?
Also, WHY would you not want to be happy for the sake of a kid? That's backwards af. If you aren't happy, the kid likely won't be either! What are you, a sadist? Additionally, the video proves that point and what it did NOT look at is 1) WHERE is the father? 2) WHY did she have a kid KNOWING she didn't have means to do so? If she said OK to sex, SHE is to blame for not using her brain. If she KNOWS McDonalds doesn't pay shit as mcst jobs, then DON'T have a kid until you KNOW you can handle one. Simple logic!
The ONLY way people can be OK going forward is to stop multiplying as protest for gov't and business to better care for us. There's no other way unless it's decided to just kill 3/4 of the world so they get it over with, which if that happened, wouldn't surprise me. Fuck all governments.
Thank you for the MHO
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You are incorrect, minimum wage was intended to be a living wage during an address FDR gave about one of his many economic salvation packages, he explained that “no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.” it is simply a prevailing myth that it wasn't.
@Anpu23 How many other things have changed since he gave that speech? Racial relations, sexual freedom, technology... Most people do not think that is what minimum wage is.
Most people feel that minimum wage should cover basic living expenses, and know that it doesn't. Further I don't know anyone who feels that someone should need to work two or more jobs just to make ends meet. Education is another big trap, get in huge amounts of debt just for the potential of making it. There are two big contributing factors to this, one women's lib. When the norm became two incomes per household prices went up, the other was easy access to credit, some very smart people realized that rather then give people a raise if they let them borrow against future income it gave the illusion of wealth and allowed people who did have money to make money off of their employees wages. (Intrest earned on unpaid wages).
@Anpu23 I dont know a single person who believes that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage. I dont even know anyone that is making minimum wage. Minimum wage is meant for the most basic jobs where no skill is required. People are capable of working more than 40 hours a week too. I worked over 60 hrs a week and went to college full time. Another thing is that people dont know how to economize to make their money go further. Poor people eat out instead of cooking at home. People seem to be unable to go without things like cable, video games...Immigrants who come from other countries know how to make due with what they have and they dont mind working more than 40 hrs/wk if that is required. They also don't foolishly believe that minimum wage should provide everything they need, they work hard to get ahead and get better jobs. I know a few migrants who work in a pizza place and a landscaping business and they are some of the hardest working people I have ever met. Because of that their boss really values them and pays them more. They are already doing better than the people you describe who are supposedly trapped in a minimum wage existence
@Anpu23 Minimum wage kills job opportunities, it should be the very first rung on the employment ladder, a temporary first step to gain experience and move on not some place to exist for long periods of time unless you have no ambition whatsoever. Raising minimum wage enough to support a first world style living (house, car, family, savings, healthcare) is completely unrealistic.
I doubt that anyone who works at McDonald's makes that much money.
8 hrs/day x 5 days/wk x 4 wks/mo x $15.00/hr min wage before tax deductions
$15 an hour? At McDonald's? Holy fuck- do you live in Seattle or something?
SF Bay Area
What is the minimum wage of your state?
Ohhh. That makes sense now. You're area is VERY expensive.I live in Virginia. I think our minimum wage is still like 7.50 or something.
I was going to say "you're in a very expensive area."
Agreed. Stop having kids of you do not have the income! You'd think that's basic knowledge.
Please post a source. I would be interested in reading more about that. How much higher are the food prices there?
Wow.. aren't they cramped in one room like that?
Its only her and a baby :)
Nice.Hope they are doing well.
Aww thank you, they are. Like I said she is super disciplined with her finances.
i like to be around people who are very discipline in managing own finances.
Well then you are in good company. Because i taught her how to be this way :)
Waiting lists are a joke.