Do you feel the idea of masculinity is weaker than femininity?

reason i ask is because, it seems most guys masculinity is threatened by simple things as the color pink or painted fingernails and such. it seems that if they truly were "capable of handling anything", things such as those wouldn't threaten just how masculine they feel. its almost as if the more feminine they allow themselves to be, the more secure in their masculinity they are.
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example= most guys general attitude is "im not afraid of anyone/anything. but if you take a mens shirt, simply change the color to pink, most guys would refuse to wear it due to the color often quoting "its gay". also nails can be painted and not be completely feminine too... look at several males in the rock industry (who also tend to be the ones who do other "femme" labeled things, but not in a feminine manner (hair clothing etc...) ex. hairspray bands, modern metal bands, kiss, steel panther.

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  • No, the people who say that don't understand what masculinity is. To many, it means nothing at all. But words mean things.

    I've heard people say that a man do feminine things and still be completely masculine - that makes no sense because they're opposites. To paint your nails, wear make-up, wear women's underwar, wear pink etc. Is feminine. That's why masculinity is "threatened" by it - it's just not masculine. I've seen some say that a guy can do these things and not feel like his sense of masculinity isbthreatened - he's probably not masculine in the first place whether he thinks it or not. I wouldn't even call those rock guys you mentioned masculine.

    Now masculinity isn't just about looks but behaviour. Many know it when they see it but they don't know how to define it. Jack Donovan explained it well in his book The Way Of Men, where he studies cultures from all around the world and what their views on masculinity are. He says that the main traits of masculine men are strength, courage, competence and honour, and that it's more about what men look for in other men than what women look for in men. In fact I'd say that women (and effeminate men) are clueless.

    Until modern times men have always had to hunt and protect the tribe. Masculinity was necessary or else it meant death for the tribe. In a survival situation you'd rather be surrounded by strong, competent, courageous men than weak, incompetent, cowardly men (these are usually the kinds of men who like to bash masculine men and pretend that masculinity/femininity doesn't really exist). Those standards still apply, it's instinctual in men.

    When it comes to honour, that means that a man doesn't want to look weak or to make his group/tribe look weak or vulnerable. That's why there are certain things that masculine men don't do. Those who say they don't care at all what others think and do those things don't have any honour. Again, most women and feminine men won't get it.

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    • id agree to a point. back in hunter/gatherer times, i could see that having relevance, but in todays times i see it being quite irrelevant. you could take most rich people (the ones with the most means to provide in todays society) and they would be useless in a true grit bare hands environment type of survival. todays times are more mentally driven and less dependent on physical strength attributes. thats my opinion on it anyhow

    • I still wouldn't say that it's irrelevant. With the example of rich guys in a mentally driven environment - how do they get rich? Certainly not by being weak-minded, cowardly or incompetent. These standards apply in different ways from culture to culture, and from social class to social class, and they don't only apply to the physical. If a man is physically strong but is weak-minded and cowardly he'll still be considered less masculine.

      Also most things work in cycles. History often repeats itself. There have been plenty of successful societies throughout history and all have eventually fallen for many different reasons. Things can always go bad, and nothing lasts forever. What almost always happens in these societies is that they forget the importance of encouraging men to be masculine because they think that the good times will last forever, which is almost never the case.

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  • I don't think any kind of weakness or strength exists in terms of masculinity and femininity. However, societal norms and attributes are the ones which threaten our very own idea of the degree of being feminine or masculine.

    On a side note, and maybe irrelevant, I do believe that it is way easier to achieve femininity than masculinity. For masculinity, you need a certain height, muscles, a certain type of jawline, broad shoulders etc. which all come by genetics, and hard to change with plastic surgery. While for femininity, you can fix things with makeup, pushup bras, plastic surgery/implants etc. to look more feminine.

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    • i would have to disagree with you on it being easier, due to being an avid practitioner being seen as feminine when otherwise not is quite a lot of work. but i would assume it to be just as challenging when looking at the opposite as well. makeup when applied correctly can have a feminizing effect, but when applied incorrectly can make a person appear more masculine.

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What Guys Said 35

  • Femininity and masculinity are antipodal reflections of each other. They coexist and only exist together with equal magnitude but as diametrically complementary. One does not exist without the other for without a reference the other is unrecognizable. As either one diminishes, the other follows equally. Without masculinity there is no femininity so both are equally fragile.

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  • To general, besides that it is an individual decision what to and not to do and it is depending on your personal view of gender stereotypes you have to acknowledge that there are differences between men and women and western society at the moment has a more open view on what is openly acceptable for a woman in comparison to men.

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  • You are sitting on the wrong end of the horse. Saying that a pink shirt threatens masculinity is a non-sequitor. Pink is a feminine colour. You wear it - you are less masculine. It does not threaten masculinity, it conveys a different message. Masculinity would be fragile if the guy would break into tears from a light insult.

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  • Well, if GaG was the determining factor, then yeah, I would say femininity is stronger.

    But in the real world, away from these forums, men do display amazing courage, sense of purpose, and depth of character.

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  • I wear pink.

    I think that you're sort of correct. Basically the less masculine a guy, is the more he tends to avoid any sign of femininity. This is a common thing today, because we do NOT do a good job of developing healthy masculinity in boys. Some boys are 'bad boys' and masculine but assholes. But nice, well behaved boys tend to be groomed to be near sexless, just like girls, except they don't wear pink.

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  • I think you may be encountering the fake, over powering, toxic masculinity that some people have been talking about in the media. Truly masculine men aren't scared of women being women, and they certainly wouldn't be bothered by wearing the color pink!

    I have always been very secure in my masculinity, so those more girly things like nail painting, while something I have no desire to do, are not things that threaten my manhood.

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  • Masculine men aren't threatened by a colour. Here's a link you may find interesting: www.independent.co.uk/.../...who-dont-8343364.html

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  • Pink is awesome. Had a 1970 Cougar Conv. that I painted pink, it was bad ass. Lol.

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  • Not at all.

    Though it is being politically and socially attacked a lot of things that are masculine are looked down upon these days.

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  • Your examples of reacting violently at things that are perceived to be non masculine is itself very masculine - in jungle law terms being seen as weak is worse than being weak

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  • It's not that we get offended when you threaten our masculinity, but rather that we act out differently. If you tell a girl she eats like a fat pig she will take offense, but might not act out so as to show that the offender is not right. That she can act orderly if she wants to. If you tell a guy he acts like a girl, he will respond in a much more masculine manner. This leads to a much different perception of how they are responding. The girl acts calm and ordinary while the guy acts rash and harshly.

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  • "simple things"
    "painted fingernails"

    How is that a simple thing?
    Not even the gayest of the guys I know paint their fingernails.

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  • Have you considered that it just might be the people, not the concept of masculinity, that are so "fragile"? I mean I can't say I would want to wear pink because I don't like the color, but it's not as if I'd refuse to wear something pink if I had reason to do so. But then again what does it say about femininity that women hide behind make-up, because they can't stand the thought of their "imperfections" or the mocking and social ostracisation that other women would bring upon them for those "imperfections".

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    • womens fashion tends to be more to impress other females foremost and it impressing males, an secondary added bonus. for instance most women wear thongs so there are no panty lines, its just an added bonus that most men find that attractive. therefor that more so falls under femininity judged by females in my opinion

    • Which kind of was my point, in general masculinity wants men to be strong, enduring, focused, smart and all that. Those are very positive attributes to have, at least in my opinion, and the reason isn't because you need to impress others, but because of self improvement. I mean the better man you are, then the better your life will be right? Femininity is acting to impress others, so that you won't be judged wanting by them so that you won't suffer the punishment for it, so it's never about you or what you want in the first place, it's about avoiding the wrath of others, others of your kind even. While masculinity encourages competition among men and can lead to conflict, one of the ideas is that a man is a capable leader which means automatically that the man will also have comrades to lead. And even if you aren't a "leader" masculinity always advocates standing up for yourself and what you believe in, not conforming yourself to please others.

  • They're not afraid of the colour, they simply dislike it and thus choose not to wear it.

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  • I think you misinterpret what true masculinity is about. Its not really about appearance. Now , its not that men lose their masculinity when the paint fingernails, its more that masculine men dont give af about colouring their fingernails or how they look, beside them being clean and clipped. Functionality over looks. So if a guy does do that, then its natural that some guys will make fun of him since he cares that much about his appearance (which is a bit feminine).
    As for the pink shirt thing, i dont think that its a big deal. I actually think the pink shirt is only weird when the guy wearing it is not masculine. Like when an insecure guy wears it, it may look a bit funny to some. My dad has a pink shirt he sometimes wears, and no one has ever dared to poke fun at it, he can own that, but maybe not every guy can

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  • You simply have fear and phobia issue's. And I really think you don't understand men very well. Thinking as you do @35 , is disturbing.

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    • seeing as how i fit quite strongly under the persona of both sexes... i dont think i really have any fears relating to them...

    • Thats even more disturbing

    • Preference and fear are two different things. I have my prefferenses , but at the same i instruct offensives martial arts. I don't act macho , but I'm not scared of anyone for any reason , and why should I be?

  • By that logic wouldn't that make you extremely masculine?

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  • I understand and I believe that a part of this is done by the woman's revolution about equal rights.

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  • Why is everyone trying to prove that men are weaker / worse than women nowadays? What's the point?

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  • Both terms are bullshit. Be your own person and don't take your social cues from social norms.

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  • "its almost as if the more feminine they allow themselves to be, the more secure in their masculinity they are." If I continue to go to the left I'm not going to the right. If I'm going up I'm not going down. If someone trying to be masculine is being feminine they aren't being masculine. I understand what you're trying to say. Men shouldn't let trivial things like the color pink to threaten their masculinity. I don't feel that they are threatened they just have a preference and not every man is a rock star that can pull of an Aerosmith or Prince kinda look without being mislabeled as something they don't want to be. For example you won't see a Saints fan wearing a Falcons jersey in order to be a Saints fan.

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  • No, I don't think it is weaker if you think of what masculinity really is, not what people made out of it.

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  • Of course not. I see both masculinity and femininity as complements to each other. My fiance and I complement each other perfectly.

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  • I think both have strengths in and of themselves.

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  • Neither is stronger or weaker because so called "femininity" and "masculinity" are just social constructs.

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  • No it's not

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  • Depends on how you define masculinity

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