Most milks don't really try to taste like actual milk. But I mostly do like the taste of it.And yeah it is very expensive.But the meat would also be expensive if the animals had more space, didn't live in their own poop and wouldn't get loaded with antibiotics.But I respect your choice. (I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm attacking you in any way, but I like to start a conversation with somebody that understands in a way..)
I personally wouldn't mind meat being more expensive at all, but other people may, and I have some doubts higher prices are really guarantee for animals to be treated how they should, and it wouldn't solve the environmental problems or change the fact that feeding animals to then eat them is ridiculously inefficient. I have vegan family members and I have already been fully convinced that being vegetarian or vegan is the right thing to do and the only thing from keeping me from being either is really just selfishness.
Yeahh I don't know why. We could also just eat less meat, that way there is less pressure on the meat industry. That way people might treat then better.The treatment bothers me the most.
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I do feel sad for the plants too. But I need to eat them also sometimes.
Over 80 % of vegans return to meat... Im sorry but its simply a stupid choice steeped in ideology rather than healthwww.psychologytoday.com/.../84-vegetarians-and-vegans-return-meat-why
Reviewing some of your responses are exactly why i cannot stand and have no respect for vegans.. You wish to force your ideology on everyone, because if they dont believe like you, they are automatically evil.. Smh grow up..
That's cus animals got no other damn option people fucken do unless their stupid obviously like they are
And alligators don't put their food in tiny cages, impregnate them, hit them etc.Alligators just hunt them in the wild and don't torture their food starting the day their food is born.
And we are omnivores.Our food should be vegatables, fruit and a mouse or a fish once every 2 weeks. (Looking at our history, body and teeth)
@TraceyByrd so you're telling me that an animal don't have a choice to kill human or not if they see one? No matter the circumstances?
@Asker so, if we're omnivore then what's the problem? Besides, you can't blame the the consumer for animals being tortured, those animals can be given better living conditions by those in charge with they wanted to.
@Asker so even you're saying we should eat fish, when you catch fish they don't die right away either, they litteraly die to the lack of water, which is not a swiftly death I might add.
No the treatment is mostly because of the extremely high demand.They try to put as many animals as possible in a cage. And to be able to do it for these low prices (so people won't go vegan) they just do what they have to do to keep the costs low.
Also people kill animals not to just eat also for fucken entertainment like retarded hunting considered a " sport " yea my ass but at the end they going to hell I hope they get hit by a truck too
@Asker Dammit, once again it all goes back to it being about the money, I hate that.
@TraceyByrd oh yeah, I can agree with you on that, killing them for fun is fucked up if you ask me.
Ofcourse it is I don't know why they haven't made that shit illegal dumb idiots. Can u inbox me by the way I don't know if I can
But we are not lions.Lions can't eat plants.We are omnivores. We eat both.In our biology is that we eat plants and fruits a lot and a mouse or so once a week.We don't have the claws or teeth like lions do.
And lions don't put their food in tiny cages, impregnate them, let their food live in their own shit. Etc.
How am I supposed to get 18mcg of iron a day as a menstruating woman?How do I get vitamin K2?How do I get bio-availabile protein?How do I get vitamin D3?How do I get vitamin A (not beta carotene)?How do I get cholesterol to absorb the vitamins?How do I get the b12?How do I get omega 3? I'm already dying and so is everyone due to lack of good quality meat. We aren't omnivores. It's a lie. We need too many animal nutrients. I've been vegan twice and had a stroke at 27 years of age. The entire left side of my body stopped working. Also what he'll are you supposed to eat when you have diabetes and allergies to most grains that are fortified with similar nutrition to meat?Do you know you'd be dead if your cereal and juice wasn't fortified with the meat vitamins they put in there.
And we ourselves are food. We are domesticated carnivores. Kings and Queens in Victorian era ate us poor people. It hasn't stopped. Maybe we should undomesticate ourselves first and stop thousands of humans from being sold for blood and organs, hair etc... Maybe that's a good start?
You can't reason with pink anons like the asker.. They are too stupid to see the other side of the argument.
Plants don't get impregnated, plants do not live in their own shit, plants do not get hit or tortured, plants don't get put in tiny cages.It isn't the same.
if you think plants feel pain in the sense that animals do, you are a dumb fuck. Plants do not have a brain. They do not have a central nervous system. They are biological robots.
Something called pollination and it's even in fact plants have genders also because they're biological. Ironically enough, you're saying it's ok to eat plants because they don't "think" yet you're giving animals excuses to be animals eating other animals because they don't think and they just do. So it our fault we biologically evolved to hunt?
Also another thing you're concerned of is putting them in cages? When the human race has been doing that for centuries or even millenniums, those farm animals started to evolve offspring after offspring to be our food. So what do you wanna do? Release all of them only to be eaten by other predators, only to die of starvation or to become the new pests of our city eating our garbage? Just like pigeons, they use to be edible but now they're the rats of the sky.
How about just make the cages a little bigger so they can at least turn around. Or like walk or something.
Who knows? You're not there to see all of the meat farms in the world. What media only likes to show is a cherry pick abused making using that's what we do everyday but it is still in fact you don't know what's going on in there. But either way they're still dead. I'm being rational you're not emotional towards them.
Plants get tortured, it's just that we can't feel their pain. You are okay to have your opinion, but pls don't go around trying to force everyone to be vegan. These animals are domestic animals. If we let them out in the wild, they'll all get hunted down. Personally I'm a vegetarian so I get what you are saying. But even we have our nutrition to be proper and a balance is alright. At least in my country. Here we care for our animals.
Since when do plants feel pain?
Some researchers in Tel Aviv have found that when trees are cut they emit an ultrasonic scream
I hear the young animals are the best meat because it’s less tainted by what they eat
The alternatives are getting a lot better.My parents aren't even able to tell if I cooked vegan or vegaterian or with actual meat.
1. Too expensive. 2. The cheapest foods out here are made with either animals or animal byproducts. 3. I need muscle mass, calories and protein sufficiently to survive healthily when winter comes. 4. I enjoy meat way too much to just not use it. Plus I wouldn’t be able to eat certain plants as they are pollinated by bees which makes it an animal by product and I can’t use honey.
Why would you die?
I am allergic to soy and nuts. Without milk or meat I cannot get the necessary nutrients.
I have allergies too, so I completely understand.
@Warmapplecrumble it would be a lot better if soy wasn't used as a preservative. I can't have bread sometimes.
I can't eat most grains especially corn, gluten it causes internal bleeding for me. 🙁 Lol I haven't had bread in years.But yeah I've seen soya in almost everything. Even some chocolates especially German ones.
I think I'd die without the meat
And how did you come upon that conclusion. Just because we have dexterous hands does mean other animals can't nfigure out what's going on.
@sensible27 your username doesn't match your persona.
"The problem with smart people is sometimes they are way dumber than they think they actually are", if you aren't gonna explain how expecting someone else to get your point seems a bit unreasonable.
@sensible27 what did u copy and paste that. Shut up bro, i didn't ask for ur simp reply.
Bruh I didn't, keep livin' in your dream world. You gonna get crushed in corparate, having a bad day huh?
@sensible27 fuck yeah bro I had a bad day. Don’t need someone telling me what do or think. I know cows are domesticated animals and we’ve been eating them for thousands of years. Dont stuff bullshit propaganda that has no real purpose in most peoples lives. Most specifically mine.
A lot of things that were done for a lot of time were immoral, just because they were done doesn't mean they should be. That way nothin would change.
@sensible27 bro cooking isn’t one of those.
You can create veg meat that taste and 'feels' exactly like real meat more or less. It saves on a decent amount of pollution plus it's a bit more moral, would you buy it?
It seems liks they do in a way.I've traumatized myself on the internet 😂Little piggy's shaking on their legs before going into the slaughterhouse.It seems like they know what is about to happen.
The whole smilie thing sort of ruins your point : )
I think it is funny that I traumatized myself. I was just exploring Instagram and stumbled om some crual videos.The animals being slaughtered or scared weren't funny.
u people r crazy