Do you think tipping or gratuity is necessary?

- It depends on where you are. In the US, tipping is expected and the economy of many service businesses are built around it. In other countries, things are structured differently and tipping isn't expected.
Let me give you an example, and for obvious reasons, I'm simplifying the example and we'll ignore things like exchange rates and such.
You are in, say, Italy, and you go out for a meal in a sit-down restaurant. Tipping isn't expected or common, and wait staff are paid above the minimum wage, as that is their only compensation. You order a basic meal and you pay $25 for it.
Then, you are in the US. You go out for essentially the same meal, but tipping is expected in the US, and wait staff are paid about HALF of the normal minimum wage by the restaurant (this is the norm and the law allows it for jobs where tipping is expected). The restaurant charges you $20 for your meal, $5 less than Italy, because their payroll costs are lowet, BUT you are expected to leave a 15-20% tip if you received good service. Your total cost for your meal is essentially the same, it's just structured differently. The tipping system motivates servers to give you good (even great) service or risk an instant reduction in pay.
For anyone who has experienced service in restaurants without tipping, you will have probably experienced indifferent or even hostile "service" that is jarring to someone used to the American system. Not all places are this way, certainly, but it's not uncommon either.
The key point to understand is that if tipping was eliminated, restaurants would have to pay wait staff about triple to make up for it, and menu prices would be raised significantly to pay for it. You'd effectively end up paying just as much, but there would be much less motivation to provide excellent service.
Wait positions would be much less competitive, and would attract a lower quality worker on average, and service quality would definitely fall.1|00|0Is this still revelant?
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- One thing I like about tipping is it rewards servers/workers on PERFORMANCE. Also in some restaurants tips are split with the kitchen staff. A bar I worked at in college split all the tips between doormen, servers and bartenders. So it was a team effort to please the customer.
I much rather have the tip system vs some ridiculously government mandated $15 an hour minimum wage (which is going out lots of places out of business)
With that said I tend to be the generous type. If I have a bad experience I will tip the custom 15 percent but I’ll never frequent the restaurant/bar (or where ever) again. But I know there are a lot of cheap ass people out there who don’t tip well or tip at all.
I don’t know if you have ever seen the movie “serving” with Ryan Reynolds. He had a famous quote “don’t f*ck with people who serve your food”. After hearing that I’m always polite to servers. If their rude to me I’ll talk to the manager about their behavior afterwards. That usually sets them straight later.1|00|0Is this still revelant?@Dazed0N0Confused 15 years ago I knew bartenders who averaged around $80k a year. They also had an advantage of being in the grey market with taxes. They obviously didn’t report all that money.
You can make money in the service industry if you are a people person. You might not want that to be a lifetime career but just saying.
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- Except for cultures where tipping is a no or included in the bill if you pay attention... I always tip and I think of people who don't in similar situations as conceited/pretentious good for nothing's that aren't worth associating with. They'd be the first and loudest to bitch after all about not getting tips if they worked that job instead.
What's the issue? The average server, delivery driver, etc., after all, makes minimum or below wage and may end up working two or three jobs to get by. When I was helping a friend at his hotel restaurant, doing the accounting work for woman on holiday, one of the wait staff got three-four hours of sleep a day with all his jobs.0|00|0Is this still revelant? - Everyone is seriously underpaid when they have to serve others...
I think its nice to tip as it would help balance out their wages but no one else is able to get that sort of return. And that's why I think many aren't bothering so instead companies are increasing delivery fees with the option of tips, that way it means they can make it worth their while but honestly I think like anything the company benefits from it. I resort to giving drivers a tip at the door, so they don't have to declare it0|00|0Is this still revelant?
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1762- When I was a child a tip was expected to be up to 10%. Somewhere along the line it became 15% then 20%. Now even fast food places expect a tip. I tip because most of these positions don't pay well but I resent the steady rise in % which seems just to be restaurant owners saving on paying a decent wage and really resent paying a tip for fast food. Also, when the Republicans passed their tax "reform" (More like tax DEFORM) they included a provision that employers can take their employees tips. It was explained it could then be distributed to non-tipped employees "to be fair". There is, however, no requirement that the business owner redistribute such tips and nothing stops them from simply keeping it.0|00|0
- In the US it is out of hand. I buy a donut and I have to press a button on how much tip I should give. It starts at 10% and goes to 20%. It' a fricking donut. They take it out of a case and put it in a bag and for that they want another 20% on top of the price of the donut? I saved our client over 4 million dollars on a project several years ago. I did not get a tip. Maybe I should have sent my invoice with one of those things where you press the button. 10% 15% 20%. I will take 15% of 4 million any day. I might even buy some donuts.1|20|1
You got thumbs down by a high school dropout whose grand career achievement is taking a donut out of a case and putting it in a bag HAHA
@RationalMale
Probably that blue anon "Mr Moron" guy above, who I'm sure works in a job where he gets tipped.
- It depends on the wage rules where you live. But where I live, all of those occupations are paid well below minimum wage and the expectation is that the tip money from the customers will be the bulk of their earnings. We can say that it shouldn’t be up to the customer to pay a business’ employee, and maybe that’s a fair dispute, but the fact is, if we eliminated tipping, your fixed cost of your meal would greatly increase, and you’re now paying $20 instead of $12. The point is, it’s going to come out of your pocket one way or another, or you’ll price yourself out of being able to eat out, so just tip and don’t be a douche about the whole thing, lmao.0|20|0
- Anonymous2 moPay the servers the same as the kitchen staff and let this tipping garbage fall by the wayside. Servers are entirely too entitled. You write down orders and carry food, get off the high horse. And I've seen the little chat groups they keep to talk shit about customers who inconvenience them. They seriously believe you should state your order with no small-talk, take what you're given even if it's wrong, never ask for extra anything, and tip them big bucks for their extraordinary service, even if they're doing the bare minimum.1|20|1
- Here in the US, many service jobs are paid below minimum wage with the expectation that tips will compensate for it. The law actually requires employers to make up the difference if they don't, so it's not quite as screwy as it sounds at first glance, but it's still kinda stupid.
As the idea of tipping has spread beyond sit-down restaurants to more and more parts of the service sector, the annoyance has grown accordingly; in particular because it's usually unspoken. I'd much prefer it if they simply charged more upfront- I like to know what I'm getting into ahead of time. It seems downright manipulative to do otherwise.0|10|0 - I live in the USA, and if you don't tip here, then you're an asshole. Only if they give you bad service should you not tip. Mediocre or good service should get about 20% of the check. Servers get paid like no money by their employers and unless it is one of the few American restaurants that are ethical and pay their workers an actual living wage, you should always tip. Restaurants relying on tipping is a terrible practice and it is a by-product of slavery in the United States, look up the history of it. It would be nice if we made legislation that banned it and forced restaurants to pay their servers the actual minimum wage, so we wouldn't have to even think about it.0|31|2
- id say no, they are doing a job. but the concept is a reward system for doing doing well. in restaurants, its very important to keep someone coming back and positive reviews, working for a tip means they will be extra nice.
but I don't tip my banker...0|00|0 - Now that CoVid is happening, with small business I try tip 10% on to go. I used to be a server and delivery driver but I also read what minimum wage is. People can’t live off $4/hr and get a nice pair of shoes they wanted or even gas. So I tip. If someone can’t afford to tip that’s okay too. If they’re a regular sit in that doesn’t tip, servers might be hesitant to pick them up on their roster. If the server is a complete jerk I may not tip depends though on a case by case basis.0|00|0
- Yes usually I tip especially if I have consistent income. Even if it’s a little, better than nothing.
I may not tip if:
- If I’ve done business with them multiple times in a small period and already tipped them those times.
- If my budget is low0|00|0 - https://dianegottsman.com/2014/04/16/tips-to-insure-prompt-service-and-other-useful-acronyms/
TIPS: “To Insure Prompt Service”. The acronym T-I-P-S is a valuable reminder to treat your server with respect and courtesy, and to reward people who provide services to you with a proper gratuity for their efforts. There are several debates over the definition and origin of this acronym, and whether the word “tips” came about in the 16th century, 18th century or someone made the story up behind a blue velvet curtain in 1962, it clearly has training value. It also makes teaching, and learning more fun. Despite how you pronounce potato or “potahto,” tomato or “tomahto,” your server deserves a respectable tip for good service!0|10|0 - I think tipping is exploitation of the customer.
If you can afford to have a pay-what-you want business model, it's either because you are already getting paid enough, or you are selling something that nobody would be willing to buy if you put a price tag on it.
There is only one motivation behind it- the hope to get paid more than you deserve to get paid.0|30|0 - When I worked in deliveries tips doubled my pay, and I actually despised someone if they gave exact change. I gave a subtle nazi goodbye wave if they didn't tip. People who don't tip or tipped excessively left lasting impressions, whereas average tips became a norm and expected. Kinda sad now that I think about it.
Nowadays I don't really tip and only leave an excessive tip when I'm well off.0|00|0 - It's a social custom in my country (U. S.) where it's necessary to tip if it's normal for the job & industry the person works in & they did their part of the custom which is providing a professional level of customer service. If they're rude or provide less than the customary amount of service then they don't deserve a tip.0|10|0
- I don't like it at all. In Japan we don't have this system... people like waiters/waitresses get paid properly. But when I'm in the US, I treat it like a requirement. I don't care if the person is mediocre at the job. I figure they need to make a living. So I tip. That said, if someone is outstanding, I'll leave like $100 dollar tip for $20 dinner.0|10|0
I treat it like 20% is "meh". They're okay -- or bad. But over means they are excellent.
I've also tipped at times even for bosses. I had this one asshole boss in the US who would complain that his french fries weren't cripsy or some shit like that... and use that as a reason to complain to staff and refuse to tip. Then I'd put the tip in for him -- and that was for an entire group. The tip alone sometimes set me back $300+.
I truly hate this tipping system but I don't see it as a reason to take it out on people just trying to scrape together a living.
- No. That's why it isn't a part of their wage. The only thing a person should ever be required to pay is whatever good or services cost. I wouldn't expect someone to tip me for doing a job if they already paid me for the job. Whether or not they need the money is completely irrelevant.0|21|0
But the good or service isn’t just the food it’s being waited on and having someone hand you your meal and if you need anything else so I think it’s cheap
I never said good or services was food. In any business, you pay money for goods or services rendered to you. That's being waited on, attended to, and the food. A tip is not part of that.
@Ripper_E I'll be quite accurate in assuming you don't have a job, right? You are paying the restaurant owner not your waitress for the food you shovel into your gob.
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@Ripper_E - Oh? Wouldn't know. You know so little about the real world & how it works for someone who claims to be employed.
- In India, labour is cheap. So, it would be really generous to the people who provide you service as they are paid less. Well, tipping should be given according to a country's culture. Like I heard in Scandinavian country they don't pay tip. Even if you try to give them they're going to return it because they believe that they are paid for their service already.0|10|0
- Yes, tip well, I know servers they deserve the tips they don't get paid much without it. I think it's strange that they don't just pay them more and not add gratuity but whatever it's not like that now.0|00|0
- People who work for tips don't make minimum wage, so you should always tip to some degree no matter the service. They need to be able to make an income. That said, if they provide bad service then don't tip them much more, but if you get great service then tip them more. A "thank you" is wonderful, but it won't pay their bills.1|00|0
- Currently yes. Jobs where tipping is expected often have lower salaries because it's expected that the tips will make up for it. If servers and delivery drivers were paid properly by their job then tipping wouldn't be as necessary0|00|0
- I like to tip people who don't normally receive tips but have performed service that's worth of an added bonus. I don't like to - and often tip a minimum amount - to those people who are customarily tipped but give you lousy service and perform as if they're put upon to do the job they are supposed to do0|10|0
- Anonymous2 moAnyone who thinks tipping their server isn't necessary is a moron.
If customers didn't tip, the price of their meal would have to be increased to make up the difference. What tipping does is give the customer some control over that portion of the "price" of their meal so they can choose whether or not to pay it based on the server's performance and thereby motivate the server to impress the customer. That's a good thing.
If morons want tipping to go away, they would only be hurting themselves.0|00|2Not really. If the staff at a diner is bad, people write bad reviews and everyone stops going there. Pretty simple. What next, do I need to pay retail staff extra if I have a question?
I think the bigger moron is someone who continues to promote a terrible system because "that's just how it is." Also, I think only morons call other people "morons" over an opinion. Ain't that right, Captain Projection?
Your post is also inaccurate and wrong. No other culture but the US has peer pressured tipping, and meals aren't $60 over here.- Opinion Owner2 mo
@RationalMale @MCheetah
OK, dumbasses... let me try to bring this down to your level. Servers are going to get paid no matter what. You are going to pay $15, or whatever the menu says, regardless of whether you pay it as menu price + tip or just menu price, because if tipping goes away then restaurants will just raise prices to cover the wages of their servers. But thanks to tipping, we have the right to NOT pay some of that $15 if the server fucks up. WE HAVE THAT CONTROL NOW. Take tipping away and we LOSE THAT CONTROL.
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- Opinion Owner2 mo
@RationalMale I have two college degrees, including a masters, and I earn more now than a fucktard like you ever will, unless you win the lottery. Nice try though, dumbass.
Now, instead of just calling me a moron and leaving it at that, how about you show some intelligence and explain why you think I'm wrong? Or are you afraid I will just embarrass you again? That's it's isn't it?
- In parts of Europe and Asia it's an insult to the waitstaff's 'professionalism'. Often refused.
The origin of "tips" = "To Insure Prompt Service"
here, its to garner preferentially attentive treatment.0|30|0 - I find it incredibly annoying, just because I can't afford it most of the time. They should just be paid minimum wage. I can't stand the stress of tipping0|00|0
- I voted yes for those who do the most work need the tips to live off of ! for they R not paid near enough for the job they do and for what they have to put up with ! thanks0|00|0
- At least in the US it is! My checks are normally voided due to taxes and I live off my tips! Especially if you run your server like a dog, you should tip generously!0|20|0
- No but here in the UK they don't do that crappy $2 a hour thing
I'll still tip at a bar if the fulfill one of my bizarre orders and on any sitdown meal in a restaurant0|00|0 - In the US, it's basic human decency to tip. It SHOULDN'T be - the tipping system is just a scam by businesses to pay lower wages and pass the cost on to customers, and should be abolished immediately and replaced with fair wages - but it is.0|10|0
- When the service warrants it I'll happily tip, but it's not guaranteed from me.
However I don't live in one of those backwards places where the wages are so low the serving staff rely on it.0|10|0 - In the united states, tipping is needed because they get paid below minimum wage, because politics says "they make more off of tips than they would per hour on minimum wage". In other countries tips are not needed and in some, considered rude because they get paid a living wage to do their job0|11|0
- The only time I don't tip, if I get crappy device.
Bad = Zero
Fair = 10%
Good = 15%
Off the chart = 20% - 30%
I believe good service should be rewarded1|30|0 - Literally everyone wants a tip these days. You walk up to the counter, buy a donut, and they hand it to you in a bag? Tip jar. Drive through at a coffee place? Tip jar. Was the effort of handing me my order too much? I thought it was the person's job! Silly me.0|11|1
See the solution is to NOT go to those shite places that want a tip for the great effort of taking a donut out of a case, putting it in a bag, and handing it to you. And guess what? We see the empty shells of the buildings up for lease six months later, because everyone else did too. XD have fun being unemployed!
- Tipping isn't very common here in India, so I wouldn't know much about it.
I tipped the delivery people when they worked during the lockdowns.
Sometimes I tip for exceptional service in restaurants.0|10|0 - I always tip, except in countries where it's seen as a rude gesture (haven't been to any other country yet but I wouldn't want to come off as rude when I do)0|00|0
@Emperorxxxemilio the norms of not having a tip culture? I understood it when it was explained to me as to why tipping is seen as negative.
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- If you're in the US then yes. If you don't think tipping is okay then state it before you order any food otherwise I'll assume you're just a cheap dick.
If you can't afford to tip then I understand, as someone who is a waiter but can't dine out often I get it's embarrassing but I understand.0|11|1 - here in germany, tipping is unusual, cause waiters get wages, they can live off. you'd tip for exceptionally good service. not normally. however i think being nice if you're treated nice should be mandatory.0|10|0
- Servers earn far below minimum wage. Therefore earning your tip becomes the hustle they need to earn a living. I tip 15-18% on the actual food and drinks (I won't tip for the "favor" of the restaurant adding sales and local taxes to my bill).0|10|0
- Anonymous2 moI mean, sometimes YES, but I don't think society should shun me if I don't want to. I'm not gonna tip you unless you've provided exceptional service. If you're not making enough take it up with your boss! I'm sure as hell not leaving you a 20% tip on a $100 meal.1|10|0
- I don't think you're obligated to tip but you better do it. I hear people be putting some extra "special" sauce on stiffers. I do not like people doing anything to my food so I leave a decent amount0|00|0
I had a classmate who was cumming in the special sauce. Thank lord that place got shut down
- We don't do it much int the UK except for t taxi drivers and waitresses. I understand in the US it's expected by pretty much anyone who provides a service.0|00|0
- If they seem rude or stuckup, fck a tip. They ain't gettin crap. If he’s hot, i’d tip a $10 or $20. If its a female or a nonhot dude then i’ll tip $2-50|02|0
@Emperorxxxemilio if he's hot and rude then he's rude, meaning no tip. If he's hot and sweet then he's hot, meaning tip. Wheres the hypocrite
No agreed the customer is always right, if they’re not attentive they don’t deserve a tip
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If the male server is hot you’ll tip more than if he were ugly? That’s pretty rude if you ask me and degrading towards men.
@Emperorxxxemilio well i gave the female the same amount so what you got to say about that? Lmao move along and feel free to tip them whatever i dont 🤷♀️
@Emperorxxxemilio i did and i meant what they said. If i find them attractive i will tip them higher. Simple as that. Im not into women so they get the same tip as unattractive men 🤷♀️
@Emperorxxxemilio are you considering yourself unattractive or something? because you seem really triggered rn. Dude get the fck on and go on about your day so i can go on about mine
You’re such a toxic person. Before you call somebody else rude, look at yourself.
@Emperorxxxemilio and what are you? Get off my post before i finally block that ass. Cause thats clearly what you're starving for
How would you feel as a server who doesn't get an actual paycheck and the bill is $75 and you get $2 to take home! Maybe you shouldn't be going out if your not going to tip on performance but someone's looks. Most of us take pride in our work. Maybe you shouldn't be going out anywhere except the strip club, where looks matter more.
@Dazed0N0Confused girl get the heck on somewhere. Maybe they shouldn't work as a server or at any job where they dont at least make minimum wage
If they’re not a good server then why would they deserve a good tip? It’s based on service
I mean i can afford to tip but i dont always. Yea that prob makes me a bad customer but i shouldn't have to spend more then im already spending on this highass food. I usually take my food to go instead of sitting there eating. And like i said, if its a hot dude whos sweet, im gonna tip higher than usual just for the good convo. It just is what it is. But People can't handle other ppls opinions
- Tipping and gratuity is not mandatory where I live. I'm very happy to tip when a job or a service is very well executed tho.0|10|0
- Here it's not mandatory, and it shouldn't be anywhere. The customer orders something, he pays the price for it, and that's it. He doesn't have to pay an extra because the boss refuses to pay his employees.
It's not the customer's problem.0|10|0 - Depends on how good the service is but sometimes the tip is included in your bill.0|00|0
- I didn't vote because I always tip but I don't tip generously unless the service was deserving of a generous tip.0|00|0
- Tipping is the best. Merit based income is the best. A good server makes way more than a shitty one and frankly i think all jobs should be like that0|00|0
- Anonymous2 moI don’t tip if I don’t like the service. Why would I give my money to someone who was rude?0|00|0
- Its just a bribe so they don't spit in your food. So yes ideally people wouldn't spit in your food and tipping would not be necessary.0|10|0
- No. Tipping culture is stupid and should be done away with entirely.1|20|1
- Depends on the country. In some for some services it’s heavily expected.0|10|0
- Gov should take care of that not the people. You rely on customers you take a chance of not getting tipped.
It's a stupid outdated law that needs to be changed.1|20|0Agree. But too many people are sheep and fools who only do things because they're told to. I'm an American, but have lived and currently live overseas. Tipping is not a thing here in South Korea and meals are not more than they cost elsewhere. In fact, they're actually sometimes cheaper.
When I lived in the US, I just wouldn't go to restaurants where tipping was expected. Fuck that! I have plenty of other places to eat, including at home, than to be told I have to give someone $20 to do the bare minimum of their job of walking from point A to point B inbetween being on their phones, when I don't even tip my doctor or lawyer for more essential services. As if it's our faults the system is broken. I work hard for my money, and no one tips me for being a teacher. I'm not going to waste my money on bullshit just because "it's what's expected of you."
Tipping culture is just a exploit in the US to where those in power don't have to pay fair wages to their workers. And as Mr. Moron and others in this post prove, people are more than willing to screw themselves over at the cost of a better way of doing things. Tipping culture is absurd and idiotic. (Sorry for typing more than I was expecting to.)No thanks for pointing this out. I agree with you a trillion%. Also how about this one. Just look at Uber eats delivery drivers they hardly ever get tipped. That's how you know its just part of the "culture". People are just brainwashed to do it without even wondering or asking why. I had this argument with one of my brothers the other day. I told him an easy solution to this is just to pay the waiters and waitresses more. I mean there are cashiers who get paid $10 an hour. You can't change that law for them? As far as delivery the same concept can apply. You shouldn't be black listed just cause you don't tip a delivery driver brining your food. I mean if your gonna make rule for the driving aspect you should apply it for all deliveries. I used to just do Uber and Lyft as well and I hardly got tipped for that.
- Necessary? No. A tradition? Yes. Does it inconvenience me? No. Do I genuinely forget to do it? Always.1|00|0
- Yes, because many people live on their tips. That said, I don't like having to subsidize employers who pay shitty wages.0|00|0
- No, in UK by the way, food is expensive enough as it is, US is much cheaper to eat out, so a fair one to tip,,,
Iceland refuse tips,1|10|0Who you trying to tip in Iceland? Or do you have a really posh one that bags everything up for you?
@jack187625 it was a taxi driver, fare was like 900k, I gave a 1,000k note and said that's fine, service was amazing, we had to go round roadworks, he said at the start of the journey "don't worry, I don't charge you for that", He pressed my change on me, "no tipping in Iceland",
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@jack187625 you fooled me completely! nice one, I'm smiling now, thank God some of us still have a sense of humour!!!
- They could/should abolished all tipping and raise the price of food by 25 percent0|10|1
- Yes dog it is because they don’t hardly make anything and that’s how they make their living off of tips0|30|0
- Yes unless they are completely horrible and direspectful, thats where most of their income comes from0|00|0
- I argue with my son about this all restaurants should pay servers and wait staff 15 an hour so people shouldn’t be obligated to have to leave a tip sorry that’s how I feel. As for now when I do go out and eat I tip well0|10|0
- Yes it is especially if they provided you with great customer service0|00|0
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