Is it Ethical to eat meat?

[shade_19]

Eatung meat for survival in not wrong, if u r in a jungle then u eating meat has a reason: survival
The reason vegnas don't like it nowadays is coz
(1) we live in society with enough food
(2) the way animals r treated in slauterhouse
Calfs being beheaded in front of each other (imaging u being in a room with people and being killed by a serial killer)
Or calfs being taken away from their cow mothers for cow's milk were calf is later only killed while those animals living in dirt seen with tears in their eyes
(3) the animal husbandry taking more food crops than that humans do
I. e out of total agricultural land inly 26 or so percent of land is used for human food crops or else they r used for fodder to feed the animal husbandries while we r still cutting the jungles and making the life of forest miserable as well
Bonus pts that they got
(1) The animal husbandry is the highest producer of carbon dioxide
(2) taking most food from agriculture land while humans in Africa still starving to death
(3) jungles being cutted and destroyed on the name of agriculture land (tho being used for industrial use) also leading to global warming
(4) eating those food is not healthy spiritually, as the mat of those animals is filled with bad hormones ( out of fear, sadness and all living such hormones brain giving to body to escape while in the slaughterhouse while seeing the inmates being killed ) (ofc they have no escape so it just increases )

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Eating meat in particular is not ethical or unethical
Our ancestors ate meat but they had no option either
Today we have enough everything but still doing it for the sake of greed and not need.(the reason u listen by vegans)
While there r people who eat meat for the sake of culture (NVs say so)
Like in Islam there festival' Bakri eid' in Christianity, 'Thanksgiving'
Where they r killed all together as celebration (and it's in culture so to preserve the culture, sacrifice of lesser intelligent beings)
Ofc it's ur will but I've kind of lessened my meat consumption, tho not stopped completely
That has nothing really to do with ethics tho, it's bout ur guilt and emotions for those animals in slauterhouses
Being nv doesn't mean u r a bloodthirsty animal, and being vegan means not u r an angel.
But in some pt. of our lives even we have questioned these things ( tho answered by our parents but we should think if r we really satisfied by those answers?)
I'm not much satisfied, but i too love meat so i decreased the number of times of consumption, like one a week to once in 2weeks or once in a month like that

[N192K001]

Granted, the permission from the Creator Himself was 1st this:
Genesis 1:29
ויאמר אלהים הנה נתתי לכם את־כל־עשב ׀ זרע זרע אשר על־פני כל־הארץ ואת־כל־העץ אשר־בו פרי־עץ זרע זרע לכם יהיה לאכלה׃
「Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;」
https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-29.htm
But, he also widened the authorization to this:
Genesis 9:3
כל־רמש אשר הוא־חי לכם יהיה לאכלה כירק עשב נתתי לכם את־כל׃
「"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.」
https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/9-3.htm

Then, came the Covenant. But as to whether the כשרות ("Kashrut"; "kash-ROOT"; 「kosher laws」) still apply today can depend on individual convictions, but (if it still applies) the authorization of Genesis 9:3 applies in parallel with specifications of Leviticus 11. (If it doesn't, then it's just Genesis 9:3 alone.)

Whatever the case, the Creator Himself has authorized it, so it should be ethical.

[Bee-Hatch]

Ethics are very dependant on your perspective. Do people carrying out genocides see it as unethical? Probably not. Is genocide ethical to most people? Probably not.
Is meat eating ethical to a meat eater? Of course it is. Is meat eating ethical to someone who chooses not to eat meat because of their personal beliefs? Probably not.
It all depends on your world view.

[purplepoppy]

Meat consumption is ethical but animal welfare standards could be stricter in many parts of the world. The real problem is supermarkets have convinced the public a chicken should cost a few pounds and the only way to do that is to cut a lot of corners and keep standards to a legal minimum. If you want to be ethical use a real butchers and pay more.

[crmoore]

I mean, morality, surprisingly, is subjective. There's no objective morality, and it certainly isn't an inherent aspect of the universe (despite how much of it humans tend to agree on). Humans are animals, and many animals eat other animals. I wouldn't say it's immroal for a wolf to eat a deer, or an ant eater to eat an ant, because they don't really know any better, and they wouldn't survive without doing it otherwise, and I certainly wouldn't expect someone someone willingly let themselves die for the sake of other beings.

But if you ask me, a meat-eater, I think humans have transcended nature (we still have some left in us, but for the most part we've stepped beyond it). Due to this, we know whatnit means to eat meat, and surprisingly, I DO think it's immoral in a way. To kill another animal to eat it when we could eat other things is sad for that animal. But if I'm being entirely honest, I won't stop eating meat. It tastes good, but more importantly, it provides a lot of nutrients.

Additionally, though while I'm no biologist or nutritionist, I've heard some people talk about how being carnivorous (or omnivorous, like we are) actually propelled us to our societal state. You see, apparently many herbivorous animals have to eat grass and other vegetable all day, due to the low amount of nutrition on the vegetation they eat (think cows or goats). Buy a carnivorous animal can simply eat the herbore animal that has been eating constantly, and thst nutrients it gets from eating all thst vegetation is stored in its fat or meat. Then a carnivorous animal can come along and eat that animal and get the nutritional value that the herbivore had been storing for quite some time. Now, that carnivore doesn't have to go out and eat immediately, because it got a lot of nutrition from that herbivore. So this carnivore now has time to do other things. As for a wolf, that doesn't mean anything too significant, but for a human, instead of eating plants all day, we were able to develop primitive tools, primitive buildings, which eventually turned into huts, which turned into buildings, and now we're where we are today, with massive societies, electricity/power, and many other things that we were able to ponder and create thanks to not having to spend virtually every waking our eating plants.

No to mention, there's studies thst indicate that the nutrients in plants don't transfer to us as well as nutrients in meat. I'm sure there are other reasons I can't immediately think of, but point being, until we can molecular fabricate meat or meat-like things, I'm unfortunately not going to stop eating meat.

[ChrisMaster69]

I do not believe. It’s unethical,

also there is a big difference between a vegetarian and a vegan.

you can even not have say land animal meat but eat fish.

a lot comes down to how animals are kept and treated.

however something like a dairy herd is probably the best kept and looked after animal going.

they get the best of everything, vet on call, great food, everything.

so what is the reason for not drinking milk?
if the world went vegan or even vegetarian, there would be zero reasons for a lot of these animals to exist.
they would simply become extinct,

so vegans are basically arguing for the mass extinction of domesticated animals.
animals such as cats need meet, they die without some of its enzymes etc.

where we currently have leather belts and shoes, these would need to be plastics, increasing the amount of plastic the world.

most countries cannot feed their population 365 days of the year on non meat products, they have to import and export , this in turn increases global warming,
a lot of countries are more self sufficient with meat, it usually has a far shorter supply chain.

going vegan pretty much means the following:

mass extinction of domesticated animals - land needed for feeding humans
increase in the use of plastics
increase. In global supply chain due to increased transport,
increased use of low paid labour to pick crops, likely poorly paid and treated

so where is the ethical part for eating meat,

To me i prefer eating meat and saving animals from mass extinction

[rjroy3]

Good distinctions to understand. When it comes to morality these are the possibilities:

1. Moral
2. Immoral
3. Amoral
4. Morally Forgivable

There's obvious moral good like helping those in need. There's obviously immoral wrong like causing senseless harm to others. There's Amoral to where it isn't a matter of morality whatsoever.

Like what is your favorite color? Is that moral or immoral? It's neither, because it's amoral. Then there is morally forgivable such as killing someone in self defense or to save a loved ones life. The act was immoral, but under the circumstances the action is morally forgivable.

To me, eating meat is Amoral and at worst is morally forgivable. It's not a matter of morality whatsoever. Vegans and vegetarians tend to try and make it a moral argument when it's not one. If you're going to discuss that topic you need to keep that mind and continually assert that point with respect to them attempting to make it a moral discussion.

[Smoothing]

Humans are omnivores by nature. We are designed to eat both meat and plants.

What really matters is needs versus choice.
Before the large scale evolution of farming, humans were able to balance the frequency of meat eating and plant eating without a problem. But because of demand based on choice, humans decided it was necessary to produce meat on a large scale to feed that demand. The repaucation of this is the green house emmisions as a consequence of this type of farming.

Also humans have become too wasteful in their nature.

For those who talk about pain when it comes to slaughtering animals, I say plants feel pain too. Just because we don't hear them doesn't mean they don't feel pain.

Pain as a type response to stimuli is not unique to animals alone. Plants and animals just show it in very different ways.

Health wise, more plant to less animal consumption is favoured.

Trying to talk some one into not eating meat at all seems to me an instruction to go against their nature.

[MannMitAntworten]

I kill to eat meat... literally.


I appreciate all the pseudo science and quasi religion vegans put into dietary doctrine, but when “detoxing” includes experiencing “brain fog”, - aka lethargy, fatigue, compromised immune system (which has been fatal), tooth lose, organ failure, and that is just to list a few common items and is even if they spend the piles of money for all the supplements some other vegan guru pedals yet secretly eats eggs... then I am fine with a vegan trying shame me into their quasi religion as they won’t live long enough to keep annoying me anyway.


The next time your friend shames you, ask them why we even have a gallbladder then if mankind is supposed to be a grazer. Frankly, the human body simply does not get enough nutrients from a purely plant diet and a vegan can argue with me all day but all day they will need to be eating and a lot they must eat - and still they are nutrient deficient. Again, they’ll be dead soon anyway.


I bet your friend has black rings around her eyes and perhaps her eyes have began to sink a bit, has slightly ashen skin, and a general gaunt appearance. After a few months on this diet that is pretty much the signs and they call it - detoxing. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention hair loss as well.


Veganism is a diet turned quasi religion... don’t buy into it. Your friend if she avoids all animal products including vaccinations and medicines derived through animal derivatives shall not exist long on this earth.


That all being said, this doesn’t even touch upon the environmental impact this would have if the world suddenly became vegan - albeit short lived. The mere carbon released in breaking new ground for planting and the amount of water required would not be enough. That’s just for starters.


Don’t listen to your friend...

[DamnSam]

I think that depends on the amount a human eats over time, like a year or so

But to understand the topic meat itself, we would need to go very deep into the background of meat...

I just count a few things for you... all proofed by multiple studies

We know that over 50% of the damage at the environment of mankind is caused direct and indirect by production of meat.

We know that if we would take just a part wheat and corn of what the world is feeding to produce meat, like 20%, not a single person would need to starve, ever...

We know that the cheapest meat has never seen soil or a sun...

We know there is no bigger water usage/wasting than producing meat by far...

If you like it as movie, just google "cowspiracy"... probably streamable on netflix


If I take all that, eating meat every day is unethical to me because multiple individuals suffer from the decision every day

But it all goes down to a few simple things
What does it cost?
Do I need to kill it by myself?
Do I want stay everything the same?

Changing isn't a bad thing... development or evolution wouldn't work without it

[TremorJay]

I have had minor allergic reactions to many fruits and vegetables. I went vegan for a month (thinking I could grow out of it) and let's just say that around the same time I had severe bloating and now I have a problem where I burp all the time. I've been like this for years now. I am nervous about eating bananas again because of how painful it was. It's only gotten a little better after making ground beef a staple in my diet, and avoiding things that could irritate my digestive system.

If eating meat is immoral, call me satan

[AdithyaR]

That's a very very subjective topic and I stopped debating about it long back.
Now I just say let people eat what they want.

Personally I believe there's nothing wrong in eating meat, it's a part of nature, we're omnivores, hence meant to eat meat. I like it and I eat it.
Surely the way the meat industry treats animals is bad and I'd prefer they treat the animals to better conditions.
But I don't see anything wrong with the actual act of eating meat.

If someone wishes to be a vegan, their choice, I'm not gonna judge them or stop them. I simply expect the same respect back.

P. S, anyone who's gonna comment, please don't try to start a debate about whether it's ethical or not. I really don't wanna do that and I will not entertain it.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

in my opinion vegetarians like your friend are asking the wrong question. It's not a matter of whether eating meat is ethical. Animals eat each other all the time and it's no ethical conundrum for them. But the real question is, WHERE do you source the meat you eat, and HOW is that livestock treated while it's alive? To my mind, the most ethical meat eating habits are those centred around wild gam, or free range organic grass fed livestock. On the other end of the spectrum you've got the battery farm chickens and whatnot, and put it this way, if humans were treated the same way as battery farm livestock, it would breach the Geneva convention.

[Gravit1]

Know the difference, vegetarians don't push for converts, only vegans do that. Vegetarians will still eat animal products from dairy, honey, eggs, jello, and in some cases fish (some don't consider meat). Vegans however won't eat any animal products as they see this as an abuse on animals, and yet this whole planet is built on the abuse of biological life.

I am an omnivore, but try to eat less meat and more fiber. I love meat, but if you have more meat than fiber you run the risk for Alzheimer's, plaque build up, and colon cancer. For that reason I eat more grains and vegetables and less meat. I enjoy meat, but realize too much can be bad. However, I love eggs and dairy they are super foods, but vegans do not allow.

[Massageman]

Yes. God gave mankind dominion over all the creatures and plants of the Earth.

Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Genesis 1:26

Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so. Genesis 1:28-30

[jshm2]

Their brand of ethics is different from that of normal people, is all.

But you can (if you want to be a prude) simply turn every one of their arguments 180 degrees and hit them right back with it.

What about the feelings of plants? Don't they have a right to live? You are aware plants can communicate and feel pain, right? Do you hate plants that much? etc etc. Doesn't solve anything, but usually gets them running away from you.

[Gedaria]

In the Bible it gives us as meat to eat , when they existed thy ark
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But even now it up to the individual who want to eat meat or not.
There is no merits either way, I went vegatarian, 35 years ago
Only reason I thought it was the right I to do.
Actually it was a school programme , who I was off badly.
It showed how they made canned corn beef.
Thy cows walked in then next thing they were hung on a hook with a guy cutting the carcass from head to toe. I made my mom up from then on iwasnt going to be part of that.

[DJB72]

Ethical - as long as the animals are raised ethically. So no battery farmed animals, veal from pens, fois-gras, etc. No meat from animals that suffered to grow it.

I eat free range as much as possible. If I had the space I'd raise my own chickens for eggs and meat, perhaps goats for milk and meat.

[Holisticapproachsara]

Ethical and unethical isn't black and white in the real world. And eating meat is good for u (not in excess). I try to find alternative
s though or eat fish. I avoid eating mammals or birds. And i no longer find their meat appealing, rather a put off. I eat lentils ans beans instead

[psychoticanimaIIover]

Of course it isn’t ethical to cage, mistreat, torture and murder living, sentient, pain-feeling creatures, but humans do a lot of fucked up shit that isn’t ethical, and no one seems to bat an eyelid at any of it. The ones who care are in the slim minority.

[Citizenkirk]

I am a seasonal vegan, eating meat when the bulls are eating good and the produce section doesn't look so good. Had you been aproached by a tree, you might have had a very different conversation. Deforestation hurts carnivoires, herbavoirs, and omnivoires alike.
Plant some trees and do volunteer work at the animal shelter, and your conscience will be at ease no matter what you eat.

[BUNroaster]

Alright, used to think vegans were messed up in the head for most my teens and up until a week ago. Talking hardcore vegans. Thing is not only do veggies tend to be safer and better to digest, carrying more nutrients. They even naturally can have the texture of meats. Certain mushrooms are amazing for this. And mindblowingly so. Yet noone talks about it cuz just like smoking, alchohol and vaping... they dont want to kill these industies that run themselves so deep in not only our economic but our social structure as a worldwide society. But no I still dont think its wrong to kill and eat animals. Its been studied and reported that technically plants scream in pain at different frequencies sometimes as well. I think we all need to revert back to hosting our own farms and in that scenerio I could see most people choosing to grow plants rather than butchering meat once we can show more people how to use vegetables the right way

[pandyponde]

Meh, I don't quite think its a topic you can choose one side as "ethical".
If for instance everyone stopped eating meat, it would be unethical as then all the surplus animals would be in worse living conditions/potentially all killed with no purpose.
But then some places aren't ethical in their meat production practices.

[pajamasam]

I get why people go vegetarian but I think it's more the animal cruelty people have a problem with. A huge chicken factory where the birds live their whole life in a cage the size of a suitcase, that's highly unethical. But chicken tenders? Nah thays not unethical that's delicious

[Anonymous]

What is unethical about eating meat? If we weren't able to buy meat, then we would need to hunt, or buy a live animal, and either slaughter it ourselves, or pay someone else to slaughter and butcher it. Meat companies are supplying a demand. How many people complain about the clothes they buy and wear. They are produced in sweatshops in counties such as Chiba, India, and soon to be exploited for cheap labor Nigeria, Kenya. They treat their human stock like slaves to keep their factories producing high volume.

[ThePolishKnight37]

If you read the Bible it says that most meat is ok and He gave it to us for that purpose. It actually lists what to eat and not to eat. Vegan is not really good on your bodies overall health. I worked in Health clubs and was a dietician also and you need proteins to survive and meat is the best source of that. But moderation is also key.

[NamerOfStars]

Of course. The vast majority of every meat species we raise has been genetically modified so much they wouldn't last a day out in the wild. If meat is murder, then veganism is genocide.

[Kayla45]

I think it's perfectly fine to eat meat, however I also believe people have a right to not eat it if that's what they choose to do.

On the same token though, if people don't want to stop eating meat then let them be and don't try to convert them to being vegan or vegetarian.

[Chris_here]

Nothing wrong with eating meat, it really comes down on your perspective. Maybe ethics come in on how the animal was treated. You can kill any animal and eat it, it's completely different to abuse them, you're eating, feeding yourself or others, nothing wrong with that. Is unethical to tell someone else what they should and shouldn't eat because of their personal beliefs.

[Marco10]

I respect everybody’s choice. If you want to be vegan, that’s your right. But if you want to eat meat, that’s your right too. The way I look at it is that we’re just like any other animal. The problem lies with how the animals are killed. That’s where it becomes unethical. I personally eat meat, but I do some research on how my butcher kills animals (or their supplier ofc)!

[RHK36]

Ethics, who cares? Literally there are way more issues that need to be looked at and sorted than should we be eating burgers. Vegans love to bring up ethics as if they're saving the world. If you don't eat meat and love to tell the world then you also better not be using technology, living in nature, gathering your own food otherwise you're killing the earth.

[Archerer]

No, it absolutely is not ethical. Not the way we eat meat. Here is a brilliant interview with a vegan. Meat eaters just live in denial, a vegetarian absolutely is more ethical than a meat eater, it is undeniable.

It is an amazing watch, by the end you can only agree that eating meat is ethical by lying to yourself. Living in denial. Which we all do.https://www.youtube.com/embed/D8WbWzU9bMA

[InferiorElegy]

A vegan will never survive stranded in the middle of nowhere, where the only edible food sources are animals, scarce berries and poisonous plants that might look edible.

A vegan will also be the idiot who tries to tell a predatory creature that it should eat veggies instead of them which I would love to see by the way.

So do I think eating meat is unethical? No, I also don't think vegans have the full use of their brains when they skip out on some of the most required nutrients.

[EaterPeter]

I doubt if it is unethical. All 3 Abrahamic religions probably direct one way or other what kind of meat to eat.

[Mdwakel]

If you see the poll you'll notice that 70 % of men consider eating meat ethical. That's only because men don't think emotionally.
While talking in consideration that consuming less meat is very helpful for the health and the environment as well. As animal production is extremely increasing which noticeably affects our planet and the green areas!!
It's all about the balance. 🍏🌳🌊🕊

[Gosceewual]

It’s natural to eat meat,
were mamals after all, it was in our dna and nature to be hunter/ meat eating carnivores... jus like a lion... but instead of having claws and teeth to kill... we used spears and our intelligence instead

vegans are jus anti-natural pussies

[Astarlessnightsky]

Its unethical how meat is mass produced.

And you literally can live without meat, its just you don't want to stop eating meat.

[Daviddd5412]

It's really hard to say. I used to be a vegetarian but I didn't feel healthy so I went back to eating meat. I do think the way animals are slaughtered today is not very ethical.

[GAGSucksBalls1]

Most vegetarians, especially ones who have ate meat before, usually go back to it

I find that most vegetarians who have become vegetarians, are doing it because they find it's one of the only things they have control of in their life. They likely have a bad home life

[RagnarRedbeard]

We've been eating meat for as long as we've existed as humans. Vegetarians/vegans are morons, as are those who say that you should limit your meat consumption for health reasons. They're the ones I find the most annoying.

[Agape93]

Yeah. There’s literally nothing wrong with consuming meat. The problem could, views depending, be how the animal was treated before it died, or how it died.

[dragoblack]

We need to eat meat to maintain our protine. Problem we have is we eat too much meat when it is supposed to be a every 2 to 3 days thing. But the whole ethical treatment of animals, i get it, we should have open field grassfed animals, but some of the reasonings put forth by anti-meat people are unrealistic, yeah, it sucks that it happens to them, but life is gory and uncaring at times

[Curmudgeon]

We are at least partially carnivorous, going all the way back to Olduvai Gorge creation days. (yes, Evolution WAS the creation).

We have incisor teeth for a reason.

[Exterminatore]

God condones it here:



“Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9:3‬ ‭ESV‬‬
God doesn’t condone things that are wrong.

[kimbim]

Eating dead animals is gross and unhealthy

I know you are told that you are carnivores (the meat industry pedal that around)

Look at a wolf. Look at a monkey. Now look in the mirror (I know I know the bible says... )

Going to a vegan diet completely changes the way you feel but you won't have a effect tomorrow. Actually 14 to 21 days before you really feel

[Unit1]

Ask the predators and carnivores the same question. What do you think will they tell you?

It's the food chain.

[Kaneki05]

Both meat and plants are living things to eat one is no more or less moral than the other. Unless your a person who believes not all living things are equal importance.

[Anonymous]

Of course it’s not ethical, but that doesn’t stop addicts from justifying their habit. What’s ethical about killing an innocent animal, not so different from ourselves?

and yes there is a difference between animals and plants holy fuck so many retards here “oh a pig is like an asparagus” shut the fuck up you incredible idiot

[RP_Blackburn]

I think it's ethical to eat meat, yes.
Of course context can change things, but just the act of eating meat is not in itself unethical.

[Belgie]

It's unethical, probably, the way we consume it.
But on the list of ethical violations I'd rank it negligible.

[andreasderjuengere]

It's natural; we are made for it in a way.
However - if I re-write and re-create my own ethics, I can of course make it look unethical... and even believe in it myself.
Which I don't.

[WhiteSteve]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/UhoHwQ0cwIQ

[nodnol32]

Ethical or not its part of the food chain. Nothing wrong with eating meat. Nothing wrong with not eating it either. There are no laws against eating meat.

[sp33d]

Could make the case against supporting farms where the meat is a product of several kinds of mistreatment of the stock. As for the meat eating itself: don't overthink on it, you're human, you're designed for mixed meals. Have at it.

[LivingExample]

God Designed our bodies for meat. People can live without meat, but for our bodies to operate at Maximum Capacity our body needs meat. I eat meat, but I only eat 4 ounces once a day at dinner!

[amaguqe]

There is nothing wrong with eating meat by itself. It's the meat industry and the ridiculous habit of modern man to eat it every day that makes meat problematic.

[Flower7]

I see nothing wrong with it. That's how the food chain works.

[Tim-loves-it]

Im not a Bible thumper but I do believe in God.

And it says in Genesis 27:3
"Now then, please take your gear, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me."

[Phoenix98]

Yes it's ethical.

Even if it wasn't I'm still gonna eat meat.

[najekim]

Ethics has nothing to do with meat. Meat is necessary for healthy brain growth and maintenance. Otherwise we'd still be in the Australopithecus stage in human evolution.

[hellacray]

Ok I'd like to see you explain what's ethical to wild animals.

[jasco]

Eating to much meat is bad not just for you but for everyone else as well. You need balance

[worldscolide]

Voted ethical, and I'm glad those of us with a brain voted the same.

[Henrickel]

Even animals eat other animals. It's a part of lifecycle and is ethical